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Did you read this about WILLY.LOL « Thread started on: Today at 7:43pm » Willy causing problems for Citigroup? others? by Tenisha Brown Wednesday, April 13, 2005
One would think that Willy Wizard a.k.a Hal Engel, a.k.a. Harold Engel, Jr., is very pro CMKM Diamonds. Recently in what some think are staged pump sessions in his Paltalk chat room, appropriately titled, "***********'s Underground."
Recently he has been hosting a session with a user named "accadacca." While in the room, "accadacca" talks about a supposed buyout rumor of CMKM Diamonds from Citigroup. "Accadacca" states some vague rumor from his brother in law who he states is employed by Citigroup at their office in Chicago. "Acadacca" claims he has hired legal counsel who has cleared him to talk about this without any worries of insider trading or full disclosure violations on his or his brother in laws behalf. Yet when asked for details relating to the supposed buyout, he states his lawyer has advised him not to speak. He simply states, "that's a very good question. No comment." Yet when queried about Citigroups supposed buyout of CMKM Diamonds, a pink sheet company he states it will happen and soon. He states he is not sure of the price per share of the buyout offer but thinks it is around 20 cents. Not bad for a stock currently trading at .0001. Engel appears to the author to be supporting "accadacca" as he has kicked members out of the Paltalk room who have raised arguments against the supposed buyout.
It's odd that Engel supports this rumor so much still even though Citigroup itself refuted it through a press release posted on their website. It is sad that a large corporation should have to waste time refuting such a rumor based on such a source. http://www.smithbarney.com/career_center/our_company/press_releases/ar chive/pr040805.html
They most likely refuted the rumor due to NYSE rule 435. Even after the refutation by Citigroup, Engel continued to state that "Accadacca" seems believable. Engel even went as far as to say that he had been running "voice recognition" on "accadacca." He even posted the results to his Yahoo newsgroup. The post by Engel is at the bottom of this article, including the supposed results.
Engel systematically allows the booting and banning of users of the room who seem to have a different opinion than Engel or his administrators. Any arguments to the rumor are quickly quashed in this manner. It seems to the author that Engel is attempting to keep buying and holding pressure up for some unknown reason. The author can't quite figure out why someone would want to do this for a company who recently had administrative proceeding brought against it by the SEC division of enforcement.
The disclaimer on the room states that Engel owns 921 million shares of CMKX since as far back as March 19th, 2005. His share count has gone down since late 2004, when Engel held approximately 1 billion shares.
During the apparent sell off of his shares, Engel never disclosed his intent to sell on the disclaimer on his site. The site disclaimer does however read, "This writer/owner does reserve the right to trade in and out of securities he holds, sometimes daily and sometimes multiple times per day. Therefore the actual listed share amounts held could be less then listed within this profile disclaimer."
The SEC has stated previously that these type of disclaimers are materially misleading as to the real trading intent of the authors. (see SEC Release No. 42483 / March 2, 2000 : http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/34-42483.htm)
Engel has stated in the past that CMKX was ready to explode, ready to rumble, and that "the whales were coming." In apparent reference to institutional investors.
Random fact: Scalping is when a stock tout recommends a buy or hold at which time they sell.
One would think that the SEC might step in and investigate possible scalping scenarios that have become so prevalent by use of the internet and press releases. Unsuspecting investors can suffer when someone "pumps" a stock while they are selling.
Back on the topic of protection of unexperienced investers, the unprotected investors who are lead into his Paltalk room on the direction of his press releases are in for a real treat. Once in the room, they are subjected to name calling, racism, and womanizing as reported on numerous message boards throughout the internet. This comes not only by the other users, but by the administrators handpicked by Engel. Some users have stated that the most despicable of room administrators carries the user ID of "oogie". At one point when a common user disagreed with a rumor supported by Engel, "Oogie" told the user to, "go over to that black person's" room," referring to a more popular, larger stock chat room whose administrator is an African-American.
Why hasn't Paltalk shut down this room carrying a "G-rating?"
As of the time of writing, the disclaimer on his website includes four stocks. The disclaimer on his paltalk room only includes one stock that Engel was compensated to pump from the issuer, yet he still pumps the other three without a proper disclosure available to users of the chat room.
The SEC has brought proceedings against others for violations of Section 17(b) in which touts are compensated to pump from the issuer, yet not providing the required disclosure of the amount of shares received as compensation.
The author wonders if these rumors are causing problems for Citigroup and for the smaller companies involved.
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:19:46 -0000 From: ***********2 Subject: This stays at the clubor I will bounce whomever posts it somehwre else
> 'Excited' samples : (4%) > 'Stressed' samples : (23%) > 'Uncertain' samples : (13%) > 'Voice Manipulation' samples : (0%) > 'Outsmarting' samples : (0%) ------------------------------- > 'Intensive Thinking' samples : (21%) ------------------------------- > 'Inaccuracy' samples : (4%) > 'False Statement' samples : (0%) ------------------------------- >> Suggested analysis: The subject was not excited during the conversation. The subject was stressed in some parts of the conversation. The subject was uncertain about many things he said.
According to the results the subject spoke truth. --------------------- The subject was found reliable.
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Information about Harold Engel, Junior, a.k.a Hal Engel, a.k.a Willy Wizard's previous violation of SEC rules can be found here:
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Hey, Urban, Ron and Carolyn just stopped in Sterling's Classroom to say HI from the races. Seriously got on someones laptop and spoke quickly. Said hello, everythings fine. Keep the faith.
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well just caught up on what i missed...not much i see...lol. legel you put a lot of effort into that AZTM stuff. i commend you for that. a guy trys to sell the CMKX.cm registration, bet he had 100 others to sell also does that mean he is connected to them too? it was a good quick cash play a few yrs ago. the first guy to think of it did very well. 2 mining companies in nevada using the same companies for differant services, what are the chances of that happening??? wanna bet a few other mining companies also use those same companies services?? must mean all are connected. it couldn't mean that a company that found business from 1 company in the mining field went to solicite other companies in that same field. that never happens. i'm not saying they aren't connected but to date there is no reason to think they are. i will add 1 thing you can pass on to the cult that you missed. i would not call it reasonable opinion, its more of a I wonder why. the lawsuit against AZTM includes both canadian companies but not USCA or CMKX. i'm betting this has more to do with the fact they know those claims are worthless. they are much deeper in bed with each other & CMKX got the results from those samples that were tested. & CMKX was not the first company to explore those claims for diamonds. if any of those samples were promising the claims would not have been allowed to lapse in the first place. in fact CMKX would have never had a chance at those claims.
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bill, if the Carolyn were not valuable, Rick Walker would have known that quicker than anyone because he was the site supervising JV partner. If no value, why fight an expensive court battler over it? Why pay Spelliscy $15,000 to stand the line to reclaim it? (That is in documents submitted to the court)
Yes it was sampled before with no results. But as you probably know, you can move a drill 10 feet to the left and hit the "motherlode".
And BTW,USCA wasn't in on this one. United Carina, Shane Rsources, Consolidated Pine Channel and CMKX were the joint venture partners.
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" if the Carolyn were not valuable, Rick Walker would have known that quicker than anyone because he was the site supervising JV partner." SPECULATION!!! "If no value, why fight an expensive court battler over it?" SPECULATION!!! "Why pay Spelliscy $15,000 to stand the line to reclaim it? (That is in documents submitted to the court)" SPECULATION!!! "But as you probably know, you can move a drill 10 feet to the left and hit the "motherlode"." SPECULATION!!!
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It's not speculation it is "reasoned opinion" !! I'm not going to tell you again, pal, now get it right. "reasoned opinion" ranks right there with factual DD, don't you know that?
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal wrote:
" if the Carolyn were not valuable, Rick Walker would have known that quicker than anyone because he was the site supervising JV partner." SPECULATION!!! "If no value, why fight an expensive court battler over it?" SPECULATION!!! "Why pay Spelliscy $15,000 to stand the line to reclaim it? (That is in documents submitted to the court)" SPECULATION!!! "But as you probably know, you can move a drill 10 feet to the left and hit the "motherlode"." SPECULATION!!!
So much for DD.
How is it speculation that Rick Walker was the supervising JV partner? It was PR'd. So why would it be speculation to think that the supervisor was the first to know what was happening?
How is it speculation to think that a court fight costs good money?
How is it speculation to know that Walker paid $15,000 to Spelliscy? As I stated right in there, it is in the documents submitted to the court. If you like, I can post the document here for you and others who don't do your own DD.
How is it speculation to think that you can move a drill and get a different result?
Wallace I know you are desperate to prove me wrong on something because you want this board to return to being your own personal little classroom of negativism. But sorry, ain't gonna happen. And others are beginning to see you for what you really are, through these inane posts you are writing. Maybe that's why your "stars" are disappearing, which seems to be the only comments that you are getting right.
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legal, obviously you never learned how to read a sentence. Try reading your sentences as you write them. Re the stars, soon I might be down to your level. The difference is, mine will grow back, unlike yours and those of your cult folks.
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Geeezzzz, and I even turned the other cheek! I knew he would come to kiss it!!! LOL Bring any silver?
Must be in your pockets.
Bet you've been doing some heavy duty praying to get all your sins forgiven. Easy for you, huh? Then you can turn around and sin again? Got news for you legal. I wouldn't touch your kind of religion with a 10 foot pole.
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BEATING A DEAD HORSE...........
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You are right, imakmony, but the damn fool horse keeps kicking even after he's been dead for months. Ever see a chicken run around with it's head cut off? They do that too.
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HA HA thats good.shoot the dam thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: Geeezzzz, and I even turned the other cheek! I knew he would come to kiss it!!! LOL Bring any silver?
Must be in your pockets.
Bet you've been doing some heavy duty praying to get all your sins forgiven. Easy for you, huh? Then you can turn around and sin again? Got news for you legal. I wouldn't touch your kind of religion with a 10 foot pole.
Back on the faith thing, huh? Personal attack, Faith attack, Personal attach, Faith attack........ Sort of monotonus and redundant. And you may be surprised to know that I don't care much for religion.
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: legal, obviously you never learned how to read a sentence. Try reading your sentences as you write them. Re the stars, soon I might be down to your level. The difference is, mine will grow back, unlike yours and those of your cult folks.
quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Hey, Urban, Ron and Carolyn just stopped in Sterling's Classroom to say HI from the races. Seriously got on someones laptop and spoke quickly. Said hello, everythings fine. Keep the faith.
What the hell did you expect them to say,"all is doom an gloom we are screwed". Get real
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I wasn't going to reply to your insidious nonsense, but was too sorely tempted by your religious example and your abusive intentions.
As per legal, pps. 7 & 8, last Thurs., Apr 13th: "I am a graduate accountant" Well now, isn't that special. And you didn't even know the meaning of "Pro Forma"? That is precisely where the words are commonly used. It is simple, basic 101 level accounting terminology!
Legal proved me correct again. He stated, "His first comments to me were something about not letting something I had said "bite me in the ass"." He could have posted the entire subject to show I was probably correct. I used the word "butt"....he distorted the word "butt" to "ass". CMKX, UC et.al have bitten quite a few of the faithful since that time. Very prophetic of me, old sage that I am. LOL
As far as WWJD-thru-me (aka Debi) is concerned, I overlooked a good number of slights toward me (even after I had sent her several hundred dollars worth of blown glass she claimed to collect-FREE). Then she outright suggested I had not bought shares at .0001 (which I in fact did) and attempted to get others to poll their opinions of like kind. That, for good reason, was the end of her phony friendship as far as I was concerned. I emailed her to that effect in no uncertain terms. That is what I call hypocrisy....among other things such as that that you convey in your posts to me and to others.
And about the ice cream balls, she once told me (in PMs) she does make them. I had also told her I barbeque fantastic spare ribs and make great Japanese tempura. We had talked about her meeting my wife if she ever got back to my area (where she had recently been - within a few miles), and, in the event she did, I would do the cooking. You, however, with your distorted mind, wanted to make something sexual out of our innocent comments.
Now the MM thing you brought up. You conveniently (and distortingly) left out my addressing that at least twice. We, on the Big Board, never thought much of the OCTBB or the PINKS. We never had any need to know how they operated and were never involved with them. Once I realized that the MM functions are much the same as the "specialist" function at the NYSE, I guarantee you, I knew more about how they operated than you ever could. Some were even the same firms or subs of those NYSE firms. You see, I had never previously invested beneath the NYSE and AMEX firms. It is more sport and gambling than investing....a game.
Since you attempted to convey the thought that you are an expert in operational management in your conversation with Tobia, I asked you what was your expertise in operational management and you stated: I won't belabor it, because I have already listed my experience here as a Principal Broker and CEO of my own real estate corporation. I am a graduate accountant and have 20 years experience in fraud, white collar crime and embezzlement investigations. I have taught real estate practice and contract law at the licensing level. Being a RE Broker (self-appointed CEO), a graduate accountant (who didn't know what Pro Form meant), a cop/detective, and a teacher of RE does not qualify as expertise in operational management. Have you any other qualifications? What large operations have you managed? What education in management do you possess? What management consulting firms have you been with where you may have been considered an expert?
Here's more: "That was sort of my dream too, as I run a ministry to the handicapped and disabled in my county, as much as I can in my condition." Obviously, you do not practice what you preach! I am physically handicapped too (probably much more seriously than you), and I wouldn't buy .0001 cent's worth of your demonstrated examples of the gospel. Get off the pulpit. AND JUST TODAY, LEGAL SAID: "And you may be surprised to know that I don't care much for religion." Well, damn, would have fooled me with the ministry bit he posted earlier!
You also said, "I had a lot of time to do that, search the various boards and sources because I am pretty much bound in my chair due to an inablilty to walk very far, and this is something I can do to be productive and help other people who don't have as much time on their hands as I do." Much to do with the sympathy ploy. Yet you could go to Tobia's office (for how long) as stated and you could go somewhere in the county to do so-called ministry work as you stated.
You stated: "I didn't think that a Christian had to be pushed around by bullies. So I stayed, defended my position in my choice of stocks, and defended my faith if attacked." Try to get this through your DD filled mind. No one tried to push Christians around and no one attacked Christianity....just your and other's idea of what true Christianity is and the fact that it has no place on any stock forum when it might sway someone into buying, thinking you or your cohorts could not be 100% wrong since you were pushing it as God ordained. It was you people and your deputies (and you mentioned one - Pharmdman) that pushed things in this direction....just because someone did not happen to agree with your thoughts about CMKX or about bringing religion into stock trading decision-making.
Go peddle your papers, your so-called DD and your spiteful venues to someone else. Just bear in mind if you post anything on this thread that I feel is of questionable merit, I WILL call you on it.
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By the way, I missed commenting on this statement by legal two paragraphs up: "...So I stayed..." I guess that's why you stated you all went to the CT thread. Most of us remember you were gone for some time and had not "stayed". That your orignal ID on this thread was "noahltl", that you refused to admit that fact and still refer to noahltl as someone other than yourself. When are you going to start being truthful with yourself and with others?
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Wallace I will reply one last time to your post, because you are a sick man and need help. That is becoming more and more obvious, not only to me, but to your friends and supporters here. I will argue all day long on the merits or demerits of CMKX and related. But, once again, I will not be drawn into your childish games anymore. Sentence structure? Sexual innuendo over tempura sauce? The difference between butt and ass? Challenging how I get around with my disability. (BTW it is an electric scooter)
I enjoy arguing stocks with you but you cannot leave it there. You don't know enough about this stock to be able to hold your own, so you constantly go for the personal attack. When it comes back at you, you lose complete control. I don't want to be the one who pushes you over the edge,so I am not going to respond to any more of your personal attacks on me. I will, however pray for you.
BTW I love the Lord as much as anyone in organized religion; but religion leads to death, Faith leads to life.
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"Challenging how I get around with my disability. (BTW it is an electric scooter)"
Big deal! You did post that you are able to walk. You are not the only handicapped person on this thread. I said that before and I say it again. I can barely get into my electric chair to get upstairs, so I don't feel too sorry for you and will not give you all the sympathy you are seeking. Maybe we can compare notes. How much blood are you coughing up?
"Wallace I will reply only to one area of your post, because you are a sick man and need help." SPECULATION!!! INACCURATE CONCLUSION!!!Mighty Christian of you too.
"That is becoming more and more obvious, not only to me, but to your friends and supporters here." SPECULATION!!! And my friends just might be offended by your putting words in their mouths.
"Sentence structure? Sexual innuendo over tempura sauce? The difference between butt and ass?" STUPIDITY!!! You are the one who brought it up in the first place.
"I enjoy arguing stocks with you but you cannot leave it there." SPECULATION!!! INACCURATE CONCLUSION!!!
"You don't know enough about this stock to be able to hold your own, so you constantly go for the personal attack." SPECULATION AND INACCURATE CONCLUSIONS!!!
"I will, however pray for you." LMAO!!! You need it more than I. Repent!!!
"BTW I love the Lord as much as anyone in organized religion; but religion leads to death, Faith leads to life." CONTRADICTIONS AND DOUBLE TALK
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Speaking of : "because you are a sick man and need help" Where do you go for help? It has been readily apparent you need some help for a long time now. It's one thing to have convictions about something, but when 99.999999999999...% of the world is saying you should give it up, it's time you do, or seriously consider seeking help. This thing is over, noah. Now reply as legal. LOL !! Like anyone with an ounce of brain matter doesn't know legal and noah are one in the same. I have to laugh when you refer to noah in the third person, that's pretty ridiculous right there. Bringing Christianity into this stock play was also pretty sick. Playing on the hopes of others through Christianity just didn't and doesn't seem like a very Christian thing to do. That's when I knew you were all really sick with this thing.
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Tick Tick Tick ??? Sick Sick Sick !!! Can't believe this jamoke has balls enough to call someone else sick and tell them they need help. He suffers the worse kind of sickness, playing on people's hopes throgh Christianity. jim baker type character.
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I still think its funny how they are trying to use that one case were the company was trying to fix the problaem as CMKX's salvation. Yet they still haven't filed one real filing in all the days they had so how are they going to claim they are working on it. This case is too easy for a Judge. All they ever did was file a few 8-K's about SEC filings, change of address where they aren't located, and Mahue didn't recieve shares, seems hes smarter then I thought. What do you have to hope for. If the company can't even file one financial, not one s-8. Nothing, because if they do then the shareholders will know what has been happening, I think. I can see the spin on a 400 billion float now, lol. What happens when there is no diamonds, gold, platnium, or whatever? Well, seeing from the past I am sure they will see light in that too.
Less then 26 hours till filing deadline. Tick Tick Tick. Makes you want to get sick sick sick.
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If it has a float of 400 Billion these guys will be celbrating that. Can you imagine being happy over a 400 Billion float? They can't understand how big a number that is. 400 Billion is probably a conservative number too.
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