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A loan does have to be paid back but not right away, obviously. If QTN isn't going to be built in a day then they won't expect repayment within a day.
A network does cost a lot to get going but QTN already has a studio and offices. I'm not going to try and explain what the costs of starting up a network are because I'm sure there is a lot more than what I can think of.
As far as the pps and your belief that shares are being bled in; 200 million shares isn't a lot compared to the volume that this stock has seen of more than a billion. Besides that, people buy and sell at prices they're comfortable with. If there is no news or speculation then people won't bother trying to buy for higher then they have to. You brought up a good point that reasonable volume isn't doing anything, but I don't believe it's because shares are being bled into the market. The pps has been dropping in the past week anyways. That is still movement. Matt
quote:Originally posted by denzen: Matt, even a loan has to be paid back, and usually with interest, and sometimes with stabelized collateral. I also think you're mistaking about the amount of money Frank is spending and how much it takes to get a network like this established.
Aside from that, my "conclusion" that shares are being bled into the market is also from the fact that there has been high volume, and the PPS stays the same or goes lower. Especially, QBID has gone down the most after PRs, and on huge volume. No theory, just the facts. Where are those shares coming from?
This is usually a sign that the company needs capital,and floods the market with shares when there are buyers to absorb them. A very common practice for some companies in pinkville.
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sugary enough? and just from January 2005. I'd say it's a different direction from what U4 would have you believe....LOL....but again, do your own DD...
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It's broadcasting....hello? Knock Knock...Hello? A TV network....now go get some Jiffy Pop and enjoy the show
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Marty, the statement of RCN not airing Q was from last September. Look at the stated facts, not until Oct. of 2003 will RCN air Q. Continue on and read the whole statement sheet.
Kinda surprising, this is real DD, like it or not (and true).
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forfun, (and this IS for fun), past occurrences do not reflect current events. I had a contract a few years back in the range of $500k. I alerted some contractors that I MIGHT need their services, and explained same. The company backed out before the deal was sealed and I didn't have the work for the contractors. So am I a bad CEO of my company? I think not. I did however, find more for them later on. Business is full of potential clients and deals. Not all pan out. And in the case of QBID, this is an excellent idea and will make it in broadcsting. Who the leader will be? I can't say. But the recent PR's and business deals from QBID reflect a forward momentum and progress within the company. This is very positive in my opinion. You decide.....GL
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Matt, payments on a loan usually do start within a month or two.
Consider that if Frank were to use just two billion shares to generate capital. He could sell aproximatly 8 million shares a day for 250 days, a years worth of trading days. 8 mil. shares a day for a month/20 days at APPS of .004 generates $640,000/month. That may be enough to keep the ship afloat.
Not all that many shares /day, but day after day on average, what could it do to the PPS?
Also,on top of that, consider that if Frank has used shares to pay for services, contracts or sponsorships. These shares are also coming into the market at various times in varying amounts.
This stock has been almost steadily going downward since last June, with the exception of a slight run at the end of Nov.
This also answers some of U4s insights. Some of what he states, I believe is quite valid.
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quote:Originally posted by permanentjaun: A loan does have to be paid back but not right away, obviously. If QTN isn't going to be built in a day then they won't expect repayment within a day.
A network does cost a lot to get going but QTN already has a studio and offices. I'm not going to try and explain what the costs of starting up a network are because I'm sure there is a lot more than what I can think of.
As far as the pps and your belief that shares are being bled in; 200 million shares isn't a lot compared to the volume that this stock has seen of more than a billion. Besides that, people buy and sell at prices they're comfortable with. If there is no news or speculation then people won't bother trying to buy for higher then they have to. You brought up a good point that reasonable volume isn't doing anything, but I don't believe it's because shares are being bled into the market. The pps has been dropping in the past week anyways. That is still movement. Matt
quote:Originally posted by denzen: Matt, even a loan has to be paid back, and usually with interest, and sometimes with stabelized collateral. I also think you're mistaking about the amount of money Frank is spending and how much it takes to get a network like this established.
Aside from that, my "conclusion" that shares are being bled into the market is also from the fact that there has been high volume, and the PPS stays the same or goes lower. Especially, QBID has gone down the most after PRs, and on huge volume. No theory, just the facts. Where are those shares coming from?
This is usually a sign that the company needs capital,and floods the market with shares when there are buyers to absorb them. A very common practice for some companies in pinkville.
dz
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Marty, I agree that the airing and offering is encouraging. I just don't think Frank is the guy to take us there. In fact, I think he will hinder us (shareholders) and some other company will win the race.
A posting from Penny-Trader:
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Member Rated: posted December 06, 2004 19:55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is the intention Dakota they dont want exact info out untill they are ready tolet this thing go. they need the price low for now. it will fly as soon as they want it to. in the pinks the CEO controls the price by giveing info or fluff. the market deosnt like fluff. the market likes clearity. through a bit of confusion out there anrd the rumours start flying, and no one is certain what to think. throw some solid facts out and the market can digest that and adjust the pps accordingly
Rod told ya that lol
sorry i couldnt resist the tag line Dakota ;-)
We have had alot of info. from the company and the pps does not move. Why?????
That is all I am trying to figure out.
Is it the unknown about the O/S and A/S, the unknown financials. How may paying suscribers are there. What is the estimated amount of suscribers by years end. What is the monthly operating expense. There are many more unanswered questions that go unanswered that make this nothing more than a happy lottery ticket.
And, if it is a happy lottery ticket, we should all call it that.
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forfun, potential lottery ticket at best......the above quotes from others are exactly why the PPS does not rise more. There are currently too many unanswered questions to justify the "explosion" effect. But, there is also, with all of the recent news, the potential for at least some of that info to be released. And don't forget, there is supposed to be a buyback as well. We'll see. However, as to my previous post of RSI, note the 28.4: http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=qbid,uu[h,a]daclyyay[da][pb50!b200!f][vc60][iut!Ub14!Lp14,3,3]&pref=G
from a TA perspective, a clear indicator of a potential move in the PPS. You decide. If your looking at this long, see the previous DD for a decision. For a daytrade, see the above chart and info....GL
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Usually but not always. Business is contracts and deals. They set their own time frames.
$640,000 a month is a nearly exorbitant amount of money for them to be playing with each month. Frank did mention in the PR that they were on a 500,000 a month budget but that was mainly a figure when dealing with movie deals and so forth. Operating expenses have to be considerably lower considering they probably don't even have 50 employees. They're not signing movie deals every month either.
Ric had a very good theory on the share structure, which I believe. Before the run to .01-.028, QBID had 7.5 billion o/s and now we're at 9.5 + 6 billion in institutional hands. Ric believes they released 2 billion A/S into the O/S to make some money to run QBID. 1 billion to sell to the public and another 1 billion so Frank maintains majority. Then months later they buy back those 1 billion at a clearly reduced price than when they sold them at .01+. Then retire Franks 1 billion since he just needs majority holding. The 6 billion in institutional hands is collateral, I guess you could say, for the loan. After the loan eventually gets paid back we can expect the 6 billion shares to be retired as well.
So consider if Frank sold 1 billion shares for just .02. $20 million right there. At .01 thats still $10 million. Even if all the shares were sold at only .01 and then bought back with an avg of .004, there is still a difference of 6 million dollars right there. Even at $500,000 a month, that's enough for a year. Then if they sold shares at .02, there is enough funding for more than a year.
After the PR's about the buyback and then retiring the 1 billion of Franks shares, I don't think the "bleading of shares" theory is correct. That's my answer for that.
As far as U4, I don't know what insights you are talking about. I begin to read his thoughts on the shares and it is very clear that he either doesn't understand what A/S and O/S are or is trying to confuse people with terminology and throwing numbers out there. Once I realized that I stopped reading everything else he had to say. If he can't understand the difference between the A/S and O/S then I can't believe much of anything he/she says. Matt
quote:Originally posted by denzen: Matt, payments on a loan usually do start within a month or two.
Consider that if Frank were to use just two billion shares to generate capital. He could sell aproximatly 8 million shares a day for 250 days, a years worth of trading days. 8 mil. shares a day for a month/20 days at APPS of .004 generates $640,000/month. That may be enough to keep the ship afloat.
Not all that many shares /day, but day after day on average, what could it do to the PPS?
Also,on top of that, consider that if Frank has used shares to pay for services, contracts or sponsorships. These shares are also coming into the market at various times in varying amounts.
This stock has been almost steadily going downward since last June, with the exception of a slight run at the end of Nov.
This also answers some of U4s insights. Some of what he states, I believe is quite valid.
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Umm....look for U4's historical posts before you make statements like that....I believe the guy put alot into this when it was higher....do a search by member name...I've seen it posted here somewhere...he was FOR QBID before the sub-penny PPS...look it up before you stir....
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Don't need to look it up. I was here then, and U4 was about the best poster, with good DD, QBID had at the time. I've been with QBID since .0007, and have read almost all the posts since .OOO1. Dardadog listed it two days before I bought in. This stock took a major dive when U4 turned on it. Coincidental I'm sure. Maybe you should go back and read some of the threads from last spring, or late winter 2004.
little stir.LOL dz
quote:Originally posted by Marty: Umm....look for U4's historical posts before you make statements like that....I believe the guy put alot into this when it was higher....do a search by member name...I've seen it posted here somewhere...he was FOR QBID before the sub-penny PPS...look it up before you stir....
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interesting....I have read some, as I stated....you keep stirring....I have a feeling your gunna' need it Oh, wait a minute, did you buy at the high prices like U4? That might explain your "special" likeness to this stock...LOL....are ya' waiting 'til it hits .01 so ya can get back out? or you gunna' play it smart at a 28.4 RSI? either way buddy, GL with it....oh, and keep on a stirring
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quote:Originally posted by forfun: I challenge any of you "Q" faithful to refute U4's statements and show us all that you are not just short skirted cheerleaders.
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Anyone notice the HUGE volume yesterday 200 million traded ! something is coming I HOPE
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Marty, Great Picture......Suz.....Very funny...Rod I agree, confirmation when he shows up...... It's just great....I can't remember the last time the bashers needed so much support....It' usually only one or two.... MARK MY WORDS WE GO UP, UP, UP.......LOL
And Ghosty.....Ra',Ra',sis, boom, ba!!!!!!
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Symptoms of the "Q FEVER" Dr. Kartel says: You knoe you have Q fever when you sit infront of the computer for along waiting for this stock to go up and does nothing.... You then wait for the next day and the next day and the next week then nothing... Then go gather up all your buddies and tell them to go on allstocks and hype up QBID so you can get people to your shares"
Cure: take your lost. Prepare to lose all your money and invest in something that has a real upward trend like the stock symbol lint..... Because when you are done selling your shares of QBID thats all you will be able to buy. lmaooooo
Thank god I dont have the Q fever because I would of killed myself right now..
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lil, I think you are great and appreciate all of your knowledge. Looks like today is another day for all the Bimbo's out in force again. I really do not understand their plans, but on the other hand I don't really care. I made my choice and I am sticking to it. Now that I am back working again, I will be buying more Q as often as I can. Have a Great Day, GO Q
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Everyone knows that the bashers travel in packs... and here they are....
You guys are not getting my shares..and as a matter of fact, I just bought 250k more to give me an even 4 million.......so, all you bashers, go tell your bosses to find shares somewhere else, or pay me 0.02 for each of mine!
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Wheres the volume today I show 393972 shares traded. Something wrong with my streamer?
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quote:Originally posted by Pitchinpennies: I show 1772567 for the volume at 9:45am
Thanks. Must be Ameritrade
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How is posting questions or obvious holes in DD bashing.
Are we bashers because we don't share your sentiment about the stock.
Don't you all think that if some of the "fuzzy" areas were addressed, some of us may add to our position? Wouldn't that create demand and make the pps rise?
Is there people on this thread saying DON'T buy this stock, Yes! There are also people on this thread saying to buy this stock and you will have great wealth. Are these people pumpers?
Let's give it a rest and try to fill the holes and create demand for this stock.
Oh, and by the way POS can also be an abbreviation for POSITION. Don't be so touchy people.
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quote:Originally posted by Pitchinpennies: I show 1772567 for the volume at 9:45am
Volume will go up REAL fast when someone buys 12 million shares.......
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You guys are doing great this morning. 50m plus in volume and still unchanged. Oh yeah thats the way to go.
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good article, even mentions our girl - Catherine Rasenberger:
remember she stated the most important quotes of the past year:
"I strongly believe that the gay and lesbian community is the last major underserved market in U.S. television," said Catherine Rasenberger, President of Rasenberger Media. "Q Television is extremely well positioned to serve this audience. I am pleased to join their team, and excited about the prospect of launching Q Network on cable and DBS throughout the U.S."
Like cable consumers, creators of new, independent, and diverse programming find themselves the victims of market power. The only way to ensure that their programming is aired is to negotiate secret contracts with huge cable companies and broadcast conglomerates or to give them equity ownership in the networks. This ensures that their programming is included in the expanded basic tier. The Government Accountability Office found that cable companies discriminate in favor of their own programming; they are much more likely to carry channels in which they have an ownership interest. This reality leaves independent and small programmers with a simple take-it-or-leave-it proposition: They either must acquiesce to the cable operators’ demands in order to be included on their lineup, or starve.
As start-up network consultant Cathy Rasenberger states, “[t]he majority of networks out there have no chance at all. That doesn’t mean there isn’t opportunity for some new networks. The eye of the needle has become a lot smaller, but if you’ve got a refined piece of thread you can still get through. You have to match up with the cable operators’ objectives – and even if you do, you still may not have an opportunity.”
Six companies completely dominate the cable programming landscape of the basic and expanded basic tiers, accounting for three-quarters of the programming and writing budgets of the video industry. But these aren’t just any six companies. Each of them is also a national network broadcaster, a cable or satellite operator, or has significant ties to both.
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ROFLMAO!!!! I LOVE THIS! This is better than the comedy channel...
and your pick......LX....PDBY??????LOL unchanged....92,000 volume......LOL
Yea..... you sure can pick a winner..ROFLMAO!!
Thanks for the heads up on something that started to run TWO!!!!!!!DAY'S ago... Way to find them........I don't think I coulda' spotted it without cha'...LOL
-------------------- Lil,
Dont LOSE more than you can afford to invest....LOL
I'm buying low and selling into the run... Posts: 8024 | From: Joisey....see attitude above | Registered: Jan 2004
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20 million more buys just came in.... there are some huge buys passing through this morning....12mill, 6mill, 6mill....
these are not small buys... those are 36 thousand, 18 & 18.....someone knows somehting big is about to happen!
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