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Dimuse is not a member here that posts here. he is posting at another site and his messages are being pasted here.
quote:Originally posted by RNINALVNG: Firefly, you're the only one to respond to my comments a few hours ago. Does no one have the balzzzzs to step up and reply. DMUSE wants to know what we think....TELL HIM PEOPLE!!!!!!!! Quite sitting on your laurels people and speak your mind. Are you happy with the pps? If you are, you're an idiot. If you're not happy, SAY SOMETHING!!!
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quote:Originally posted by RNINALVNG: [B] Does no one have the balzzzzs to step up and reply. DMUSE wants to know what we think....TELL HIM PEOPLE!!!
Didn't want to be on here this weekend but this member is 100% correct! demusephoto reports back to Frank and is extremely close to QTN!! Whenever something is mentioned on the other forums, Frank addresses it in some way.
Even though people didn't respond to you, I seriously hope they sent an email with questions about the company or the PPS. If you didn't, you don't deserve to post here or be a part of this stock!
They need to hear us voice our opinion and will be addressing it on the 28th, what a majority of us are asking.
So yes, stop BSing in here and just send an email to him. demusephoto is not "just" another poster. Trust me!
I sent mine within the hour after he asked us to. Email me to see what I said.
quote:Originally posted by 1BigTip: demusephoto reports back to Frank and is extremely close to QTN!!
Oh reeeallly..?? What is the nature of this relationship? Is he being paid for his services? Why does Frank bother hiring these 'major' PR firms if he's just going to send some kid into some online forum to spread his news for him? How do you know this guy can be trusted? Since when do broadcasting television networks use random internet characters to do their survey and reporting work for them?
quote:I seriously hope they sent an email with questions about the company or the PPS. If you didn't, you don't deserve to post here or be a part of this stock!
HUH??? People who don't buy into this guy's bs don't deserve to post here or be a part of this stock? What have you been smoking???
quote:They need to hear us voice our opinion and will be addressing it on the 28th, what a majority of us are asking.
Well since they have a habit of using these message forum users to transfer information back and forth, I'm sure they've heard all they need to. The 100,000 phone inquiries couldn't have hurt either...........
quote:So yes, stop BSing in here and just send an email to him. demusephoto is not "just" another poster. Trust me!
Oh great, we can trust you! And I thought you were just another internet BSer... I feel better already!
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if you where replying to me i was not saying not to e-mail him I was trying to say dont post the questioins on here and expect someone else to send them for you.
He is not a memeber of this board that i am aware of.
I have sent my e-mail as well. here is the e-mail address to send your concerns to.
Markjohnson555@hotmail dot com
quote:Originally posted by 1BigTip: [b] Didn't want to be on here this weekend but this member is 100% correct! demusephoto reports back to Frank and is extremely close to QTN!! Whenever something is mentioned on the other forums, Frank addresses it in some way.
Even though people didn't respond to you, I seriously hope they sent an email with questions about the company or the PPS. If you didn't, you don't deserve to post here or be a part of this stock!
They need to hear us voice our opinion and will be addressing it on the 28th, what a majority of us are asking.
So yes, stop BSing in here and just send an email to him. demusephoto is not "just" another poster. Trust me!
I sent mine within the hour after he asked us to. Email me to see what I said.
do you know him personally? Im not trying to cause problems, but it does seem odd that Frank would go this route and allow it to be this open. I dont doubt that he speaks with Frank but i have to wonder at this type of poster. he falls into the description posted earlier as a pumper.
I am not saying that we shouldnt be able to send questions. I would rather the questions be asked without giving them notice. they now have time to prepair great answers that are decieving.
and you should know better then to use the TRUST ME line. that always throws up a red flag.
all said I am not trying to bash anyone but everyone has the right to post in a public forum as long as the follow the forum rules.
You cant take ownership of the forum.
Now i hope for all our sakes that we get a big PR in this comming week as we are slowly sinking back. and we all need some forward movement here.
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Good morning Rod! We definitely need a very positive announcement to at least support, if not increase, the pps. I hope I didn't offend people last night, but it's past the point of smiley faces making everything okay. We need to be heard, and if we don't speak out and let them know our concerns and frustrations as shareholders, then we only have ourselves to blame. ...climbing down off my soapbox now...
Hope everyone has a great weekend!..C'mon Q!!!
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i cant say that having here! in ny first is a good thing i'm guessing but paying for 2 g/l channels isn't likely and here! has been up & running on satallite for 2 yrs thus more programming. manhatten is high rent so it might be ok but rcn needs to follow its contract and get q up on its network. the U.S. is in 11th place in cable & broadband systems, close to third world countries have better then us so RCN having out dated equipment is no suprise but its also no excuse to not honor a contract
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quote:Originally posted by RobinO: Yes, fantastic. What it basically says is don't listen to anyone but the cheerleaders. Keep up the good work tiger.
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Ummm, no. What it basically says is that people are, in fact, paid to bash stocks.
Keep up the good work tweety. I hear you're gettin' close to winning that Scranton vacation. LOL
Beware of the Basher! Investopedia Staff (Investopedia.com)
Whether you are fairly new to online investing or a seasoned veteran, you've probably seen the message boards and chat rooms that focus on stocks. Many of these boards make tabloids look tame, churning out rumor after rumor 24 hours a day. Some of the more popular boards are getting upwards of 10,000 posts daily. Here we look at how the practice of bashing takes place on these boards, and how you can handle bashers when you encounter them.
The Advent of the Internet No technology has changed the financial industry more than the Internet, which has allowed individual investors from every corner of the globe to meet and talk about the prospects and risks of companies. The free flow of information has changed the very way we invest, but this mass communication does not come without a price. The anonymity of the Internet has allowed unscrupulous people to distort and control artificially the price of a stock--these people are the bashers.
What Is a Basher? A basher is a person who lurks in the shadows of investment chat rooms spreading calculated, and almost always unfounded, confidence-shaking news about a stock. The basher's purpose is to instigate a sell off that will in turn drive the stock price down, either for his or her own benefit or that of his or her employer.
This practice may seem fairly simple, but there is a science behind it. Supposedly, reputable companies and investment firms sometimes hire bashers to help make the conditions for a takeover more favorable. You see, when one company wants to buy another, stock price is king. If the stock of a multi-billion dollar target company changes even by one dollar, the difference in the price of the takeover can be millions of dollars. A basher who successfully pushes down the price of a stock may receive a very lucrative compensation.
How Bashers Get Paid Bashers may also get paid by the number of responses they get from their postings. They act as catalysts, hoping to spread a firestorm of bad news about a stock. Due to the highly unethical and, in some cases, illegal act of hiring a basher, employers almost always remain anonymous. Bashers' employers will want to depress a stock price usually for one of two reasons: to increase their position in a company for a lower price, or to profit on the short side of the stock.
Here are some basher tactics that online chatters should be aware of:
Bashers lie! – Bashers have no ethical code that prevents them from lying. They will lie blatantly and often.
Bashers usually bash stocks that are more volatile – Bashers usually only go after stocks that could show a large increase or decrease in price. There's a low probability that a basher would ever be able to influence a company with a huge float like General Electric, for example.
Bashers will use any news – Bashers will not favor recent news over old news, or vice versa. They'll take information out of context if it will help depress a stock.
Bashers exploit investors' lack of knowledge – Most bashers rely on the notion that most investors don't check their facts and, as such, will use false information to sway people.
Bashers post frequently – Bashers are a persistent bunch. Through the use of repetition, they attempt to wear down those on the long side of stocks.
Bashers can travel in packs – It is common for a group of bashers to enter a chat room quietly and carefully and feed off each other's posts to dominate subtly the sentiment of the room.
Who Are Bashers' Prey? As you can probably gather from the above list of tactics, bashers do not target well-informed investors but those who are easily persuaded. Bashers know that "green" or rookie investors are inherently wary of the market and oversensitive to bad news.
Anyone in a chat room who claims to be your friend and have your best interests in mind is likely a basher--after all, why would anyone give good advice for free in a chat room ? It's doubtful that experts such as Warren Buffett and Peter Lynch frequent these rooms. (Read more on Peter Lynch here.)
Levels of Bashers' Skills The most effective bashers have strategies that are very well thought out. They often develop a character who draws attention and builds trust from others on the chat board. Good bashers try to appear sophisticated: they never use profanity because that would cause people to ignore them. Quite often, these bashers will respond condescendingly to their questioners for asking such "stupid" questions.
The purpose is to get a reaction from other posters: the more reaction, the more the room will be disrupted. To throw yet another wrench into the works, bashers often send in another person to side with the longs of a stock. Again, the idea behind this is to distract people, and to spread rumors and confusion throughout the room.
Not all bashers display such proficiency and dedication. Like any profession or sport, the bashing world has participants at different skill levels. It helps to know how the experts operate differently from the novices, so here is a list of the skills displayed in the different "leagues" (to use a baseball analogy) of bashers:
Major League – The major league bashers are excellent at what they do. The better the bashers are at their game, the tougher they are to spot. They are online constantly, always attacking and attempting to make positive postings look unreasonable. Those in the major leagues are masters at manipulation, knowing how to convince other chatters that a particular stock should be sold immediately.
AAA – These bashers are able to twist the meanings of words, phrases, quotes, and press releases quite compellingly; however, they do not have the same influence over others as those in the major leagues.
AA - These bashers are still learning the subtleties of the art of appearing like a trustworthy, sophisticated fellow investor. For example, a AA basher may react overzealously to comments that question his or her perpetually bearish attitude.
Bat Boy – Although this level of basher knows the profession and has known some major leaguers, he or she is utterly useless in the ways of bashing. The bat boy bashers make themselves obvious, using profanity, name calling and irrational arguments. These bashers are easily identified.
How to Handle Bashers There are basically two ways in which chatters can handle bashers. Firstly, you should simply ignore them because they want and feed off attention. If they aren't getting any, they'll likely slink away and attempt to prey on more receptive victims. But sometimes the tenacious basher invading a good chat room needs to be confronted. Here are some tips that, if you must confront a basher, will likely help:
Do your due diligence. The phrase, "knowledge is power" is no more true than in this instance. Try to post a number of well-researched messages that confound the premise of a basher's arguments.
Do not engage bashers directly, but instead post general and open-ended messages disputing bashers' posts.
Remind those in the chat room that the mere fact that something is in writing does not make it the truth.
Conclusion Bashing is always happening, so it's important for you to realize there are people out there who make a good living out of manipulating investors. Participating in a chat forum can be both enjoyable and insightful, but always remember to look at each message with the knowledge that its sender may not be sincere.
Cheers,
Investopedia Staff
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FIRST OF ALL, THEY ARE SCHEDULING A 1-HR PHONE CONFERENCE. 20-30 MINUTES WILL BE OF THEM TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE "DOING" AND HOW "Q IS DEFINITELY ON THE MOVE".
SECONDLY, THE BALANCE OF REMAINING PHONE CALLS WILL BE SCREENED AND NOT TAKEN AT RANDOM AND WILL PROBABLY BE ALREADY HAND PICKED BY FRANK HIMSELF TO MAKE SURE HE'S NOT SHOWN IN A BAD LIGHT OR PUT HIM IN A POSITION TO ANSWER "REAL" QUESTIONS. THIS IS COMMONLY DONE VIA THE RADIO DJ'S WHEN THE "LIVE" CALLS YOU HEAR ARE RECORDED AND SCREENED AND/OR EMPLOYEE'S THAT ARE WORKING IN THE STATION AND/OR FRIENDS OF THE DJ SITTING IN THE BOOTH WITH THEM MAKING IT LOOK LIKE THEY GET "OUTSIDE" CALLERS.
FRANK OLSEN HAS ESTABLISHED HIMSELF TO BE A FLAMBOYANT LIAR. HABITUAL AT THAT. HIS ACTIONS, HIS PR AND HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ARE JUST THAT; LIES ON TOP OF LIES.
FRANK OLSEN IS NOT GOING TO FEED YOU ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE LIES HE HAS PREPARED AND TO CONTINUE WITH THE EXISTING LIES HE HAS ALREADY GIVEN TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
AVERAGE CALL. 2-3 MINUTES FOR THE CALLER TO ASK A QUESTION. 3-5 MINUTES TO RESPOND PER CALL. IN A UN-CONTROLLED ENVIORNMENT WHICH TOTALS ABOUT 25-30 MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF 5 CALLS. AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A UNCONTROLLED ENVIORNMENT.
SINCE FRANK OLSEN WILL HAVE THIS THING SCREENED AND PREPARED, EXPECT NO MORE THAN 10 AND PROBABLY 5 TO 7 PRE-SCREENED PREPARED CALLS.
THEN AFTER THIS, WE WILL SEE A PR ABOUT HOW THE PHONE CONFERENCE WAS A HUGE SUCCESS, THE THOUSANDS OF CALLS THAT COULD NOT GET THROUGH SHOWING THE HUGE INTERESTED IN QBID.
97 BOTTLE OF BEER ON THE WALL....
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quote:Originally posted by penny-trader: I am not saying that we shouldnt be able to send questions. I would rather the questions be asked without giving them notice. they now have time to prepair great answers that are decieving.
Good point... plus if you have a question for QTN, just call them. It appears as though Frank and Co. have been pretty open about answering phone calls. Why bother with this unknown middleman?
quote:Originally posted by Just Looking: Ummm, no. What it basically says is that people are, in fact, paid to bash stocks.
Oddly enough, that article does not exist on investopedia's website. Yes they keep an archive of articles, but I can't seem to find it. Care to share a link? I still think the idea that someone sits around counting replies to someone's posts in order to calculate another guy's paycheck is a ridiculous myth.
The funny thing is that a few years ago, another guy on another forum wrote a fake "I admit it, I'm a paid basher" letter. Regardless of the fact that it was an obvious hoax, everyone believed it.. it's a hilarious story that just goes to show how gullible people are. http://www.thestreet.com/tech/internet/1165692.html
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Another thing to think about is the fact that this Conference Call will bring in new investors. Do you think they'll talk about negative things? No. They will talk about progress and future plans. The new investors will want to jump in.
Watch the volume rise these next few weeks.! Enjoy. Look at the big picture, don't let these other fools close your mind!
no penny that post was not for you. It was general.
quote:Originally posted by RobinO: Oddly enough, that article does not exist on investopedia's website. Yes they keep an archive of articles, but I can't seem to find it. Care to share a link? I still think the idea that someone sits around counting replies to someone's posts in order to calculate another guy's paycheck is a ridiculous myth.
The funny thing is that a few years ago, another guy on another forum wrote a fake "I admit it, I'm a paid basher" letter. Regardless of the fact that it was an obvious hoax, everyone believed it.. it's a hilarious story that just goes to show how gullible people are. http://www.thestreet.com/tech/internet/1165692.html
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I love how you don't challenge my statement, instead you change the subject. Fly away, little bird. LOL
quote:Originally posted by RobinO: Oddly enough, that article does not exist on investopedia's website. Yes they keep an archive of articles, but I can't seem to find it. Care to share a link? I still think the idea that someone sits around counting replies to someone's posts in order to calculate another guy's paycheck is a ridiculous myth.
The funny thing is that a few years ago, another guy on another forum wrote a fake "I admit it, I'm a paid basher" letter. Regardless of the fact that it was an obvious hoax, everyone believed it.. it's a hilarious story that just goes to show how gullible people are. http://www.thestreet.com/tech/internet/1165692.html
quote:Originally posted by 1BigTip: Another thing to think about is the fact that this Conference Call will bring in new investors. Do you think they'll talk about negative things? No. They will talk about progress and future plans. The new investors will want to jump in.
Watch the volume rise these next few weeks.! Enjoy. Look at the big picture, don't let these other fools close your mind!
no penny that post was not for you. It was general.
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In my opinion, this conference call is not going to help Q. U4 is right about what is going to happen. Nothing new will be announced, it will just be a rehash of old PR's with a few statements about how Q is moving forward. The questions will no doubt be pre-screned, and no negatives will be specificlly addressed. As far as who handles the call, that is a catch 22. If Frank handles the call, he will no doubt screw it up with his brass tone and profanity ridden mouth. If Rene handles the call, I have no doubt that he will do a better job as far as spoken word goes, but then that will raise questions in everyones minds as to why the CEO didn't handle the call. I will say it again, this conference call is a bad idea. None of the serious questions that most of the people on here have will be answered. Based on Q's past, any attempt to address specifics will only lead to more ambiguity. However, now that they announced this call, canceling it would hurt the PPS. I really think Frank has once again dropped the ball. I have no doubt that after this CC occurs, Frank will issue a PR about how it was a "smashing success". I personally can not wait to see how this goes down.
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quote:Originally posted by kbpkt: this conference call is a bad idea. None of the serious questions that most of the people on here have will be answered.
Oh you mean why the website isn't updated??
Everyone has a right to their own opinion but to say the conference call is a bad idea just makes you look "unintelligent"
EVERY COMPANY HAS CONFERENCE CALLS. GEEZ. I remember calling in a few CC's myself before investing in the company, just to see where they stand, what their objectives were, and what their doing about it.
Saying its a bad idea is decieving other peoples views. Would you rather be in the dark?
It's the best idea but I'm terrified they'll cancel it. Delay is no problem.
I voted for Rene to speak. No offense to Frank but I think Rene would be a better speaker.
Notice I started my response with "In my opinion" I think you should probably go back and re-read what I said. Unintelligent is probably as far away as possible in regards to my response. I realize that most companies have CC's. Usually, they are a good thing, but like I said above, in Q's case it probably will not be. Ambiguity is all that will come out of it. "Being in the dark?" LOL, we already are. Whether you love Q or hate it, Frank so far to date has very poorly handled this company. I have said it before and I'll say it again, the idea behind Q is a billion dollar idea. Right now is the right time, and the right place. Frank Olson however, is the wrong person. That man has single handedly ruined the PPS. Not bashers, MM's, shorters, or whatever else someone wants to conjure up. Frank Olson, plain and simple. The best thing that could ever happen to Q is if Frank stepped down and was replaced by anybody else. That would give Q the clean slate they need to really succeed. I do agree with you that Rene would handle the CC much better, however, the CEO should handle it. But, anyone who has ever spoken to Frank knows why that is a bad idea. Like I said above though, its a catch 22, Frank not handling the call is probably equally as bad. 1Big- You and I have been on this board a long time. You should know by now that if you want to refute something someone says, use facts and DD. In the past, you have always done that very well, and I commend you for that. Thats why I'm surprised that you would reply to me by using a blanket statement and not backing it up at all. To me, thats seems "unintelligent".
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Maybe wrong choice of words but you know that we've been in the dark, so this CC will shed some light for us. At least hear someone speak on behalf of the company.
Since we don't have the hotline, we hear nothing. I could care less about the website updating.
I want to know more serious issues like when will they be a reporting company. That to me is the most important thing to invest in a company long term.
The CC will be good for Q. Obviously nothing else is working. 5 PR's in a row didn't even help.
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As a owner of the company and that is what all of us are, I want to know a few things myself. I don't think its too much to ask for either. It just makes it look bad when you don't keep the stockholders up to date. Here is what I want to know.
1) A/S 2) O/S 3) float 4) is there restricted shares 5) Is there any other signed contract (don't have to give out info that other party not wanting released) but is there something signed with any other company. 6)programming line-up and why it's not on web page. 7) Address rumor of public and private companies. I pretty much know its not true but want to here it from Frank. 8) Since we are not a reporting company what is the finanial situation of Q.
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I agree Ric and 1Big. I apologize if I came accross as though the shareholders should be kept in the dark and should not be given the answers to those questions, because they most definitly should be given all those answers. My point was that based on the way Frank has confused things in the past, I think this CC will add to the confusion. I don't think he is going to answer the valid questions that you guys raise. I think he will probably only revisit past PR's and tell everyone what we have all already read. He has mislead and misdirected shareholders many times in the past. A good example is the questions regarding the satelite uplink that MSGulf is bringing out. If what he says is true, why would Frank hide it? IMO, its not that big of a deal if the signal is still going through the original satelite or not. Why issue a PR lying about it? Look how many deadlines he has missed. I understand that delays happen, but I can not think of 1 deadline he has met with the accuracy he forecasted. My point was that I do not think Frank will address the things you all deserve to know, which will just confuse and perplex the shareholders more, in turn creating more doubt and uncertainty regarding Q, thus hurting the PPS even more. I would love to be wrong about the way he will handle the call, but based on the way he runs things, I do not think I will be. But you are right, we will find out soon.
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quote:Originally posted by Just Looking: I love how you don't challenge my statement, instead you change the subject. Fly away, little bird. LOL
No, I challenged whether or not that article actually exists on investopedia's website, then brought up a story that points out how lots of people believe there are paid bashers but can't provide any evidence. Oh yeah, the companies are really secretive so we can't tell who's doing it.. that's convenient. I shot a note to the people at investopedia to get more information on their article. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's true. Heck, if you click the link at the beginning of that page you posted, it takes you to some guy's site where he sells you his plan for how to become a millionaire in a matter of a few years by using his investing technique that will get you blacklisted from Wall Street.. oo oo sign me up!
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No problem kb. QBID seems to be the one that has the most traffic in every forum. That's a good sign. People see the potential and thats what creates volume for us. Think back to the 1.8 billion in volume we had. PPS dropping will not help it although.
1 other quick note and I need to take a break from here:
For years I've been following or doing DD on other "start-up" companies and almost all of them had a proposed date which was never met. Can you think of a company that either, gives investors their proposed dates and meets them all OR never tells their investors about any proposed dates.
quote:Originally posted by 1BigTip: Another thing to think about is the fact that this Conference Call will bring in new investors. Do you think they'll talk about negative things? No. They will talk about progress and future plans. The new investors will want to jump in.
Watch the volume rise these next few weeks.! Enjoy. Look at the big picture, don't let these other fools close your mind!
no penny that post was not for you. It was general.
I wish I can draw out charts for you but we'll have to do with text only.
2004 We are in an "Accumulation within a rounding bottom"
The formation of a rounding bottom is usually an extended process. The decline in price (.028 - .0070) gradually decelarates until it merges into a section at the bottom which is almost flat (.0038-.0060) which then merges into a gradually accelerating rise. Because the initial phase of the price rise is so slow, the complete outline of the rounding bottom does not become apparent until an uptrend has been established.. If you can predict an accumulation pattern which could become a rounding bottom, you can be more then confident that the price will develop an uptrend.
2002,2003 It was in an "Accumulation within a trading range"
When a trading range forms, there is uncertainty about whether the price breakout will be to the upside or the downside. If well informed, long term investors are buying within the trading range (.0001 - .0005), the eventual breakout will probably be to the upside (.0001 - .028). But you should not buy the stock until the breakout occurs, because the upside breakout is not a certainty, and the length of the trading range can't be determined in advance.
They are accumulating shares folks and it should take a while because there is a huge float. But one thing is certain: The more shares they accumulate, the fewer are available to others and the available supply shrinks relative to demand. As this imbalance increases the upward pressure grows until the price begins to move higher.
Q documentary on the road! One of team members dissapeared. the rest is afraid of him as being a victim of anti gay violence! Mr. Tores continues to tape the events!
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