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U4 is like Frank Burns from MASH, Trying to push his own notions while shooting himself in the foot. Voted most likely to be shot by his own troops.

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quote:
Originally posted by sharkus:

Fair enough .. but why is (sorry doc) ... doctoall's Jonathan Olson's email address as jonolsEnrealtor .. olsen not olson as he spell's his name?

-->"Jonathan Olson" <Jonolsenrealtor@aol.com>

not sure if it matters much but <shrug>


Maybe jonolsOnrealtor was already taken and the dude could care less. Maybe it was a typo when setting up the account - maybe it is time to sleep...


Maybe its a bull**** post.


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PER FRANK OLSEN:

19 Feb 04: also officially underscores ten-year contract with Time-Warner Cable that "enables us to place our signal throughout the Time-Warner system on a market-by-market basis:"


NOW THE STORY CHANGES AND HE CAN NOW TELL US HE'S ASSOCIATED WITH TIME WARNER:

1BigTip Member posted October 08, 2004 08:00 QBID owns 100% of TTN.
June 20, 2003 - From a poster. (skunksyard) Unofficial. Spoke with Frank Olsen...

Frank said he is now authorized to say that TTN has a 10 year contract with TWC....

WOW, I REMEMBER THOSE HOTLINE MESSAGES WHEN FRANK TOLD US THAT HE WOULD NOT DISCLOSE ANYTHING BECAUSE HE PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED INFO REGARDING CARRIER AND IT HURT HIM BEFORE REGARDING Q-TV. THIS STEMS FROM FRANK OLSEN LIEING THROUGH PR AND TELLING THE WORLD HE HAS A CONTRACT WITH DISH NETWORK AND NO SUCH CONTRACT/AGREEMENT EXISTED.

SO WHICH LIE IS IT:

DID HE LIE TO US BACK IN FEBRUARY OR WAS HE LIEING TO THIS PERSON?

SPEAKING OF THE #800-HOTLINE UPDATE FOR SHAREHOLDERS:

YOU ALL SEEM TO FORGET ALL THOSE ISSUES AND PROMISES FRANK MADE ON THAT HOTLINE WHICH NEVER CAME TO LIGHT. NEXT WEEK THIS, NEXT WEEK THAT. BE PATIENT AND WE HAVE GREAT NEWS COMING.

HOTLINE SOUNDED LIKE SOME OF FRANKS PR:

"Q IS DEFINITELY ON THE MOVE"

99-BOTTLE OF BEER ON THE WALL.....


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PER FRANK OLSEN:

3 June 04: "Successful Industry Launch Generates Interest from Carriers, Advertisers and Investment Leaders. We anticipated that the soft launch would generate lots of inquiries regarding the availability of Q Television for carriage and advertising, notes president Frank Olsen. Yet we were amazed how quickly everything has moved forward within the past 24 hours. The network expects to announce major contracts within the coming weeks."

OH THOSE MAJOR CONTRACTS. SOUNDS LIKE THE MAJOR INVESTMENT FIRM THAT GAVE QBID MONEY BUT FOR SOME REASON, THE MAJOR INVESTMENT FIRM IS NEVER NAMED. BUT IT'S MAJOR. DON'T FORGET FOLKS IT'S"

MAJOR

FINANCING TO SECURE 5-YEARS OF BROADCAST.

FEW WEEKS AFTER THAT: FINANCING IN THE AMOUNT OF $2-MILLION DOLLARS TO SECURE THE 1ST YEAR BROADCAST.

AND AGAIN, AFTER ALL THIS, RE-ISSUE ANOTHER 6-BILLION SHARES ON TOP OF 50-BILLION MORE.

AND HE'S DOING A 2% BUYBACK.

FRANK FRANK HE'S OUR MAN, HE CAN SCREW US SHAREHOLDERS FASTER THAN ANYONE CAN!

GOOOOOOOOO FRANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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PER FRANK OLSEN:

26 May 04: "Move Over Fab 5: Q Television Has Arrived... New Gay Family Television Network Showcases its Unique Perspective Prior to Public Launch." An industry soft launch for carriers and advertisers begins June 1, 2004 on Intelsat America's 7, 129 degrees West, Channel 1.


HERE WE GO AGAIN TOUTING ADVERTISERS. HEY ADVERTISERS, LOOK AT US. OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT US, THERE IS NO SIGNAL UP THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE RUNNING JUNE 1. THERE WAS NO SIGNAL PAST THE 10A-3P (5-HOUR) TEST RUN ON MAY 15.

ANOTHER OF THE MANY LIES FRANK OLSEN. GOSH, YOU WOULD THINK THAT WITH ALL THOSE INCENTIVES FOR FIRST YEAR ADVERTISERS, THEY WOULD BE BEATING DOWN YOUR DOOR.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THE STATION IS $7.95/MONTH AND I KNOW WHEN I ORDER HBO, CINEMAX AND SHOWTIME, I SEE LOTS OF COMMERCIALS FROM ADVERTISERS THAT GET SPECIAL INCENTIVES FOR ADVERTISING.

98-BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL.... <HICCUP>


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Mr. U4,

broadcasting is a multi-bil $$ industry. are you concerned that Q gonna be taking away a piece of the pie that your company pays you to bash this stock so Q would go down. It is a competitive industry, you know. Just a thought.


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U4 is getting very desperate, he knows that time is running out for the bashers. The bashers are like rats backed in the corner, no way out. That makes me feel great, I hope that U4 has soft keys on his keyboard or a good mic. He will soon fade away as QBID leaves him in the dust and he moves on to another stock. GO QBID!!!!! Bring On The Green!!!!!!!! Long and Holding here.

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Parts of what you say are true but there is the optimistic side of Frank that has made him say too much. I think Frank really thought that all of this was going to happen and happen quickly. He knew this was the right time and the right enviroment for starting this Network. It's like you go to an important job interview and after you leave you just know your getting the job. I think he did talk to TW, Cox and others and came away knowing he had talked them into airing Q. But the problem was telling us this before the ink was on the paper. Frank can't control these companies and when they will come around. They may have even blew smoke up his back. Who knows for sure but I really think Frank knows he is getting those contracts. He is optimistic about it. His only problem is letting us know about it before its a sure think.

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I refuse to use his name anymore but can commit on things said. Good point though. Could it be Logo or HereTV? I don't know how they are paid, so if it is a paid bash we need to at least leave the user name out even if we do respond. I think everyone will know who we are talking about.

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broadcasting is a multi-bil $$ industry. are you concerned that Q gonna be taking away a piece of the pie that your company pays you to bash this stock so Q would go down. It is a competitive industry, you know. Just a thought.

[This message has been edited by Ric (edited October 08, 2004).]


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You guys actually believe that people get paid to bash stocks on here? I've seen people here speculate that these 'bashers' get paid $x for every reply they get or for every time someone mentions their name. So tell me...Is there some mid level manager sitting in his big office, reading the board, counting the number of replies to his posts? Do you think their payroll department utilizes a graduated scale so he gets $x for the first 10 responses, $2x for the next 10, and $4x for any beyond that? Would that make him an exempt or non-exempt employee... HM. I wonder how much vacation time he gets.

Absurdity. Oddly enough, if you do a search on the SEC's website, they have several pages of information on paid pumpers in the OTC market. Nothing about paid bashers though, aside from some letters written in by message forum members making the same assinine assumptions about people getting paid per post or reply...

-R


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.035!!!!! They shouldn't be allowed to make those mistakes, I almost had a stroke!!
Terry

[This message has been edited by RNINALVNG (edited October 08, 2004).]


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Q gets into a little bit of drama:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/10/08/BAG4M9613V1.DTL

BATTLE OVER SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Tension grips gay rights caravan

Denver -- The nearly four dozen riders on the National Marriage Equality Express -- a caravan of activists traveling cross-country to fight for marriage rights for same-sex couples -- were on edge.

They'd encountered little hostility and a lot of warmth in the places they'd visited in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming and Colorado. On Wednesday, they had visited Laramie -- the town where Matthew Shepard, a gay student at the University of Wyoming, had been brutally murdered six years ago. Most considered the stop a highlight of the trip, but that horrible tragedy and the personal memories of violence the visit triggered were on their minds Thursday morning when one of the caravan passengers inexplicably disappeared.

Sometime after midnight Wednesday, Anthony Perez, a documentary filmmaker following the journey for the new gay and lesbian channel, the Q Television Network, walked out of his Denver hotel room without his cell phone or card key. He did not show up when the riders met in the hotel lobby the next morning. He didn't make it to the breakfast meeting with local gay and lesbian supporters or to the rally in Denver's Civic Center Plaza. When Perez still hadn't shown up by 11 a.m., the scheduled departure time, the bus left without him. Bewildered, Roland Torres, the other half of the documentary team, stayed behind and notified police.

The group's leaders, concerned that the riders might encounter anti-gay violence in the American heartland, had been lecturing from the start about safety. "I'm very, very angry," organizer Molly McKay said of Perez's disappearance. Her eyes were red-rimmed. "If you can't commit to the buddy system, take the next bus home."

At a memorial gathering the previous day in the Laramie bar where Matthew Shepard had stopped the night he was attacked, several of the riders had told personal stories about violence they had experienced. Kelly Rivera Hart had nearly been shot -- he didn't know if it was a BB gun or a real gun -- while he waited at a bus stop in San Francisco. Joe Alfano had been beaten up on the Lower East Side in New York. Davina Kotulski, who came out when she was 15, was harassed all through high school in the small Oregon town where she grew up. When she was 18, someone at a party threw a table on her and threatened to gang rape her.

The stories they'd been sharing hung heavily as the riders formed a circle and silently held hands, before filing soberly back onto the bus in Denver and resuming their journey -- which was starting to feel like a strange psychology experiment.

As the mountains of Colorado melted into the flat plains of Kansas, the mood on the bus was tense. After traveling at a relentless pace for three days, the riders were exhausted. They were drained from the emotional intensity of their encounters -- one woman said she cried so much it was like watching the movie "Terms of Endearment" over and over. And now one of their number was missing.

A couple of hours later at a rest stop, McKay picked up the microphone. "Good news," she said. She had gotten a cell phone call from the filmmakers. Though the reception was poor, this much she confirmed: "Anthony's fine ... They'll meet us in St. Louis."

Claps, sighs.

Three days earlier -- before the exhaustion, the giddiness, the emotional circus, the hours curled up in small bus seats -- organizers announced that any latecomers on the bus would be charged with cleaning the bathroom.

Now the cry started from the back. "Latrine duty! Latrine duty! Latrine duty!"

Speaking again by phone later in the afternoon, Perez explained what had happened. He had gone to the hotel lounge for a late-night drink and had been stopped by a security guard. Perez, a 26-year-old Latino man, apparently didn't have the right answers for the guard: He had accidentally left his key behind, he didn't know his room number.

The guard called the police, who took him to a detoxification center. Without his cell phone or contact numbers or even quarters for a pay phone, he hadn't been able to reach anyone until he was released in the afternoon -- to the enormous relief of Torres, the other filmmaker.

"I was petrified" that Perez had been attacked, Torres said. "It's so sad that that's a knee-jerk reaction for gay people."
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Caravan coverage

The Chronicle is covering the National Marriage Equality Express as it crosses the country. To see all the stories, go to www.sfgate.com. The caravan riders are also posting Web logs and photographs of their adventures at the Web site www.marriageequalityca.org.


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quote:
Originally posted by RobinO:
You guys actually believe that people get paid to bash stocks on here? I've seen people here speculate that these 'bashers' get paid $x for every reply they get or for every time someone mentions their name. So tell me...Is there some mid level manager sitting in his big office, reading the board, counting the number of replies to his posts? Do you think their payroll department utilizes a graduated scale so he gets $x for the first 10 responses, $2x for the next 10, and $4x for any beyond that? Would that make him an exempt or non-exempt employee... HM. I wonder how much vacation time he gets.

Absurdity. Oddly enough, if you do a search on the SEC's website, they have several pages of information on paid pumpers in the OTC market. Nothing about paid bashers though, aside from some letters written in by message forum members making the same assinine assumptions about people getting paid per post or reply...

-R



How old are you? You must not live in the real world. Wise up. People get paid for any and everything you can think of.

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quote:
Originally posted by RobinO:
You guys actually believe that people get paid to bash stocks on here? I've seen people here speculate that these 'bashers' get paid $x for every reply they get or for every time someone mentions their name. So tell me...Is there some mid level manager sitting in his big office, reading the board, counting the number of replies to his posts? Do you think their payroll department utilizes a graduated scale so he gets $x for the first 10 responses, $2x for the next 10, and $4x for any beyond that? Would that make him an exempt or non-exempt employee... HM. I wonder how much vacation time he gets.

Absurdity. Oddly enough, if you do a search on the SEC's website, they have several pages of information on paid pumpers in the OTC market. Nothing about paid bashers though, aside from some letters written in by message forum members making the same assinine assumptions about people getting paid per post or reply...

-R


U0 - People are being sarcastic when they call my buddy (U4) a paid basher. I think the last laugh is on you. I bet U4 is even chuckling at your post.


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Well I just did a search with key word paid bashing stock and I got so many hits it was silly. How can you say you did a search and found nothing.

READ THIS from the Wall Street Journal:
http://www.investing.wsj.com/tools-body4.html

A little preview, click link to read all;

Message Boards

There's no question that message boards can be a great resource. But they can be dangerous places, and investors have lost fortunes by trading on information they read on the boards. Securities regulators say they are troubled by the fact that so many investors seem to believe the message boards are full of hot "sure-thing" stock tips.

Message boards shouldn't be viewed as any different from a crowded room full of strangers. Trading on advice there is akin to trading on stock tips you receive from a stranger's conversation you overhear at a party. Still, people do it all the time. In fairness, message-board users have at times come up with quality "scoops" about companies -- catching wind of a merger before it happens, or learning that the company has secured a patent on a new technology. But often the information on the boards is pure speculation.

It's important to understand that just about everyone who posts messages has a motive, and it may be different from yours. When money is at stake -- as it is with any investment -- there's really no such thing as a completely objective discussion. People don't want to hear bad news about companies they invest in, and even the best-intentioned debates often end up in mudslinging. Likewise, it's important to remember that short sellers -- those who bet that the price of a stock will decline -- can profit by stirring up panic on a message board. People also can profit by stirring up excitement on the boards about stocks they own.

All these things point to the importance of not relying on information you read on the boards. "You should assume everything you read online is false until you can confirm it somewhere else," said John Stark, chief of the SEC's Office of Internet Enforcement. "People know not to believe everything they read, but think that somehow the Internet makes things more legitimate, and it certainly does not."

Here are some things to watch out for, and ignore, on the boards:

Bashers. Just as stock promoters and other hypesters profit by pumping a stock, bashers, or those critical of a company, can profit by getting a stock's price to fall. Message-board participants who are positive on a stock are always quick to suggest that anyone who bashes the stock must be a short seller -- someone betting the stock's price will fall. Most of the time, that's just plain wrong. But the SEC says it is becoming more and more concerned that some people on the boards who appear to be critical observers are actually slamming a company so that they can profit from a short sale. It's irresponsible to dismiss anyone with a negative comment as a short seller, but it would also be a mistake to think that anyone bashing a stock is just trying to save you from a bad investment. Do your own research.

Ric


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quote:
Originally posted by RNINALVNG:
.035!!!!! They shouldn't be allowed to make those mistakes, I almost had a stroke!!
Terry

[This message has been edited by RNINALVNG (edited October 08, 2004).]


if .035 gave you a heart attack , it's .0033 earlier. td waterhouse quoted me usci .021 yesterday afternoon.


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hello everyone
just on to check the charts and wondering if anyone has an idea why the drop of 40% in a month of the pps?
BigT wondering if you can shed some light on the red?

Ralph

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Qbidder. Welcome. Honestly, I have an idea but I see it as one big Dip in a future 5 year chart. Maybe this will shed some light:

From "the most" credible source.


Posted by: dmphoto
Date:10/8/2004 12:34:50 PM
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RCN Manhattan should be on today.eom

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Posted by: dmphoto
Date:10/8/2004 12:37:10 PM
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Others will follow. no dates,do not know the order.

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Date:10/8/2004 12:41:24 PM
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delay was technical, S a t e l l i t e s

it happens.....when launching a new network, it simple happens


quote:
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hello everyone
just on to check the charts and wondering if anyone has an idea why the drop of 40% in a month of the pps?
BigT wondering if you can shed some light on the red?

Ralph



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Thanx BigT
this is Ralph ex Sottotono
email is the same but I had problems with signing into Allstocks so the easiest thing was to change Username.

hope all is well

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GET READY!!
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Holy Crap. I just sent you an email because it's been a long time since I heard from you. Holy Crap, thats funny.

quote:
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Thanx BigT
this is Ralph ex Sottotono
email is the same but I had problems with signing into Allstocks so the easiest thing was to change Username.

hope all is well




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Ive been ready and saddled since May... today I finally purchased a knee pads and a cup!
All ready for this LONG trip.
"Patience is $$$ HERE" cos the greatest risk in life is not taking a risk U can afford to lose

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Hey Clyde, I can visualize your Frank of Mash fame daytrading. LOL

Late last night on TV, I saw a kind of nasty looking guy pitching his "trading" products. I got the same feeling then. However, instead of trading, this guy "shares" his wisdom with others (for a price).

Are we not lucky to get our advise for free?


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Hi guys...

Qbidder...LOL! All of us here on this QBID thread have invested in a safety "helmet" for all of the head-banging!! But, hey, knee pads and a cup might work, too! LOL

Hi 1BIG.


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Hello Sunny
Just trying to contribute anyway possible for the Q team. wondering if u can do me a favor?


can you tickle the Q's feet so maybe it might jump a little?

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quote:
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Hey Clyde, I can visualize your Frank of Mash fame daytrading. LOL

Late last night on TV, I saw a kind of nasty looking guy pitching his "trading" products. I got the same feeling then. However, instead of trading, this guy "shares" his wisdom with others (for a price).

Are we not lucky to get our advise for free?


RobinO (U0) can be hot lips hoolihan


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Since it's a sloooow day today, I though some might enjoy this interesting article I stumbled across this morning...

Beware of the Basher!
Investopedia Staff (Investopedia.com)

Whether you are fairly new to online investing or a seasoned veteran, you've probably seen the message boards and chat rooms that focus on stocks. Many of these boards make tabloids look tame, churning out rumor after rumor 24 hours a day. Some of the more popular boards are getting upwards of 10,000 posts daily. Here we look at how the practice of bashing takes place on these boards, and how you can handle bashers when you encounter them.

The Advent of the Internet
No technology has changed the financial industry more than the Internet, which has allowed individual investors from every corner of the globe to meet and talk about the prospects and risks of companies. The free flow of information has changed the very way we invest, but this mass communication does not come without a price. The anonymity of the Internet has allowed unscrupulous people to distort and control artificially the price of a stock--these people are the bashers.

What Is a Basher?
A basher is a person who lurks in the shadows of investment chat rooms spreading calculated, and almost always unfounded, confidence-shaking news about a stock. The basher's purpose is to instigate a sell off that will in turn drive the stock price down, either for his or her own benefit or that of his or her employer.

This practice may seem fairly simple, but there is a science behind it. Supposedly, reputable companies and investment firms sometimes hire bashers to help make the conditions for a takeover more favorable. You see, when one company wants to buy another, stock price is king. If the stock of a multi-billion dollar target company changes even by one dollar, the difference in the price of the takeover can be millions of dollars. A basher who successfully pushes down the price of a stock may receive a very lucrative compensation.

How Bashers Get Paid
Bashers may also get paid by the number of responses they get from their postings. They act as catalysts, hoping to spread a firestorm of bad news about a stock. Due to the highly unethical and, in some cases, illegal act of hiring a basher, employers almost always remain anonymous. Bashers' employers will want to depress a stock price usually for one of two reasons: to increase their position in a company for a lower price, or to profit on the short side of the stock.

Here are some basher tactics that online chatters should be aware of:

Bashers lie! – Bashers have no ethical code that prevents them from lying. They will lie blatantly and often.

Bashers usually bash stocks that are more volatile – Bashers usually only go after stocks that could show a large increase or decrease in price. There's a low probability that a basher would ever be able to influence a company with a huge float like General Electric, for example.

Bashers will use any news – Bashers will not favor recent news over old news, or vice versa. They'll take information out of context if it will help depress a stock.

Bashers exploit investors' lack of knowledge – Most bashers rely on the notion that most investors don't check their facts and, as such, will use false information to sway people.

Bashers post frequently – Bashers are a persistent bunch. Through the use of repetition, they attempt to wear down those on the long side of stocks.

Bashers can travel in packs – It is common for a group of bashers to enter a chat room quietly and carefully and feed off each other's posts to dominate subtly the sentiment of the room.

Who Are Bashers' Prey?
As you can probably gather from the above list of tactics, bashers do not target well-informed investors but those who are easily persuaded. Bashers know that "green" or rookie investors are inherently wary of the market and oversensitive to bad news.

Anyone in a chat room who claims to be your friend and have your best interests in mind is likely a basher--after all, why would anyone give good advice for free in a chat room ? It's doubtful that experts such as Warren Buffett and Peter Lynch frequent these rooms. (Read more on Peter Lynch here.)

Levels of Bashers' Skills
The most effective bashers have strategies that are very well thought out. They often develop a character who draws attention and builds trust from others on the chat board. Good bashers try to appear sophisticated: they never use profanity because that would cause people to ignore them. Quite often, these bashers will respond condescendingly to their questioners for asking such "stupid" questions.

The purpose is to get a reaction from other posters: the more reaction, the more the room will be disrupted. To throw yet another wrench into the works, bashers often send in another person to side with the longs of a stock. Again, the idea behind this is to distract people, and to spread rumors and confusion throughout the room.

Not all bashers display such proficiency and dedication. Like any profession or sport, the bashing world has participants at different skill levels. It helps to know how the experts operate differently from the novices, so here is a list of the skills displayed in the different "leagues" (to use a baseball analogy) of bashers:

Major League – The major league bashers are excellent at what they do. The better the bashers are at their game, the tougher they are to spot. They are online constantly, always attacking and attempting to make positive postings look unreasonable. Those in the major leagues are masters at manipulation, knowing how to convince other chatters that a particular stock should be sold immediately.

AAA – These bashers are able to twist the meanings of words, phrases, quotes, and press releases quite compellingly; however, they do not have the same influence over others as those in the major leagues.

AA - These bashers are still learning the subtleties of the art of appearing like a trustworthy, sophisticated fellow investor. For example, a AA basher may react overzealously to comments that question his or her perpetually bearish attitude.

Bat Boy – Although this level of basher knows the profession and has known some major leaguers, he or she is utterly useless in the ways of bashing. The bat boy bashers make themselves obvious, using profanity, name calling and irrational arguments. These bashers are easily identified.

How to Handle Bashers
There are basically two ways in which chatters can handle bashers. Firstly, you should simply ignore them because they want and feed off attention. If they aren't getting any, they'll likely slink away and attempt to prey on more receptive victims. But sometimes the tenacious basher invading a good chat room needs to be confronted. Here are some tips that, if you must confront a basher, will likely help:

Do your due diligence. The phrase, "knowledge is power" is no more true than in this instance. Try to post a number of well-researched messages that confound the premise of a basher's arguments.

Do not engage bashers directly, but instead post general and open-ended messages disputing bashers' posts.

Remind those in the chat room that the mere fact that something is in writing does not make it the truth.

Conclusion
Bashing is always happening, so it's important for you to realize there are people out there who make a good living out of manipulating investors. Participating in a chat forum can be both enjoyable and insightful, but always remember to look at each message with the knowledge that its sender may not be sincere.

Cheers,

Investopedia Staff


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Hi Qbidder!! Hmmm. tickle huh? Well, I only do the tickle thing if I can do a little 'slappin' too.... LOL You know, the whole 'slap and tickle' thing.

Think that will work?


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Hi, RobinO! You will obviously benefit greatly from the above article. LOL
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Originally posted by RobinO:
You guys actually believe that people get paid to bash stocks on here? I've seen people here speculate that these 'bashers' get paid $x for every reply they get or for every time someone mentions their name. So tell me...Is there some mid level manager sitting in his big office, reading the board, counting the number of replies to his posts? Do you think their payroll department utilizes a graduated scale so he gets $x for the first 10 responses, $2x for the next 10, and $4x for any beyond that? Would that make him an exempt or non-exempt employee... HM. I wonder how much vacation time he gets.

Absurdity. Oddly enough, if you do a search on the SEC's website, they have several pages of information on paid pumpers in the OTC market. Nothing about paid bashers though, aside from some letters written in by message forum members making the same assinine assumptions about people getting paid per post or reply...

-R



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OP: suzianinee are you watching GMED today??
Up another 25%. Huge! Bottom was .05 if we get past .11. Watch for the next dip. RSI to high

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Thanks, 1BigTip, I have had a repairman here--been distracted all day.

After GMED's Washington meeting--it will fly again.


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I've been adding this for months on the dips
but does anyone have evidence they are actually on in the cities mentioned awhile back?

I would like to add more but also hope this does not turn out to be another IBZT!!


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PER FRANK OLSEN

Monday July 12, 6:00 am ET Frank Olsen of Triangle Multi-Media Limited, Inc. States: There is No Business or Economic Reason for the Current Share Value Decline.

TRIANGLE MULTI-MEDIA INC (QBID)
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OH FRANK, YOU CAN TRY TO BLAME THE SHORTERS. YOU CAN TRY TO BLAME THE MARKET MAKERS. YOU CAN TRY TO BLAME SANTA CLAUSE. BUT HOW ABOUT A DOSE OF REALITY:

YOU FRANK OLSEN, YOU ARE THE ONE SPEWING LIES.

YOU FRANK OLSEN ARE THE ONE MIS-REPRESENTING YOUR COMPANY.

YOU FRANK OLSEN CONTINUE TO TELL US "Q IS ON THE MOVE" AND "THINGS ARE GOING GREAT".

YOU FRANK OLSEN ARE THE ONE WHO TWISTS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT FOR SOME GAY OLYMPICS AS A REVENUE SOURCE FOR QBID.

YOU FRANK OLSEN TELL US YOUR THE "SOLE" BROADCAST RIGHTS HOLDER FOR SOME SWIM EVENT IN FLORIDA AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A STATION UP AND RUNNING TO SHOW IT ON.

YOU ARE THE ONE FRANK OLSEN WHO TELLS US A ADVERTISING PROGRAM IS TO BEGIN JUNE 21 AND HIRE A INDUSTRY EXPERT WHO HAS WORKED WITH ALL THE MAJOR ADVERTISING FIRMS AND TO DATE HAS NOT DONE SQUAT.

YOU ARE THE ONE FRANK OLSEN WHO TELLS US THAT JUNE 1, A 24-HOUR SIGNAL WILL BE UP AND RUNNING FOR ADVERTISERS AND CARRIAGE INSIDERS TO SEE WHEN THE FACT IS THE SIGNAL NEVER RAN FOR ANYONE TO SEE EXCEPT FOR A 5-HOUR 10AM-5PM MAY 15TH DATE. FURTHER, THIS TIME SLOT YOU PICKED IS OUTSIDE THE MAIN GAY VIEWING AUDIENCE SINCE MOST OF THEM ARE COLLEGE EDUCATED AND WORKING TRADITIONAL BUSINESS HOURS WHICH ARE 9AM-5PM.

YOUR THE ONE TELLING US YOU HAVE STUDIO SPACE ACROSS THE COUNTRY RENTED, CHANGE YOUR TUNE TO YOU BOUGHT A NEW BUILDING THEN BACK TO YOUR RENTING STUDIO SPACE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AGAIN. FURTHER, YOUR FIRST PROGRAM WAS "I DO, WE DID" AND YOU HAVE NO OTHER PROGRAMMING BUT YOUR TELLING US YOU HAVE ALL THIS RENTED SPACE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

YOU TELL US IN FEB THAT YOU HAVE 10-YEAR DEAL WITH TIME WARNER THEN RECENTLY YOU TELL A SHAREHOLDER THAT YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THAT DEAL NOW.

YOU FRANK OLSEN PUT UP A #800 HOTLINE NUMBER THAT TELLS US WHAT'S COMING TO ONLY SEE THAT IT NEVER COMES TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

YOU FRANK OLSEN TELL US ABOUT Q-MOBILES.

YOU FRANK OLSEN TELL US YOU HAVE 5-YEAR GUARANTEED FINANCING. THEN YOU FOLLOW SHORTLY THEREAFTER AND TELL US YOU GOT A $2-MILLION DOLLAR LOAN TO SECURE 1ST YEAR BROADCAST. THEN YOU ISSUE 6 BILLION ON TOP OF 50-BILLION MORE SHARES TO TOTAL 71-BILLION SHARES.

YEA FRANK, THIS IS NO ECONOMIC OR BUSINESS REASON FOR THE SHARE DECLINE. THIS IS THE ONE THING YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY POSTIVELY 100%.

THE REASON IS FRANK OLSEN. <BURP>


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1BigTip that reminded me of some info I meant to post for the board members.

Off topic but an unoffical Public Service Announcement:

I called my doctor about getting my flu shot--not available this year--have to be high risk--even though I attend to eldery relatives!

If I do get the flu or a cold, I will enroll in GMED's trial programs. Their protocol works on viruses--sounds unbelieveable, but this even worked on the West Nile Virus.

They can be found on their website.

Hopefully, we will all be healthy and will not need their services, but should you need them--act fast. The sooner you start, the quicker you recover.

Be back in a few hours.

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Thanks Just-Looking for posting that article. There is always something to learn everyday.
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