quote:Originally posted by sonnydbar: and she always shares the info she gets, i think it's called teamwork
I don't think he is questioning her generosity with the info, I think he is questioning her level of access to Frank, who is supposedly to busy to talk to other investors right now...And actualy he seems to be questioning Diana's motives for sharing such info. Cash (who went to the show) posted that the soft launch would be in 2-8 weeks, now after Diana called Cash, Frank, and the PR firm., it's back on schedule...
I'm not a conspericy theorist and I'm not dogging anyone. I'm just trying to restate Robin's question and possible read into the motives behind it. Am I right???
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$CashMaker$ This is Earth_Shaker. I have been looking for your report from the NCTA. But I am having NO LUCK finding it. There are more then one QBID threads. Could you repost your NCTA FINDINGS. Thank You as always. Good work.
EARTH_SHAKER ..... GO QBID
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THere is no reason to blame anyone. Its normal to see Qbid like this if you have been watching this for couple of months now.
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quote:Originally posted by denzen: RobinO, my take on that ? is that, yes she is a huge UNPAID pumper of QBID, except of course what she makes trading. I do believe she's a huge invester and as she has implied, and has told them that she represents a group of investers, that's us. The biggest reason I see is that, as evidenced by her posts since she's been on Allstoocks, she is the most experienced, (in life), strongest willed, no bullshot (smart) communicaters and savvy investors I've seen post here since OLD Mullet. I believe that people she talks to also pick that up and are willing to listen to her, and then she's in the door, so to speak. Diana is a person that would be successful at whatever she choose to do. I thank and acknowledge her for helping others, including myself.
RobinO, I do appreciate your posts. We even think alike on many instances.
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Alpha I'll take it that you share in the idea that Diana is a paid pumper, and I will disagree with you, that's all. Hey I've been wrong before, but i don't think on this one.
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The problem is having a video collection of Gay and lesbian entertainment. While it is out there, think how long it would take to purchase films and make mini-movies, shows, ect. At least a year if they started from now. It is not as simple as picking up the phone. A single g/l title can sell for $200 - $35000 depending upon where it was produced. These things cost money, espically at the semi-professinonal level.
Also call the hotline, we have great exposure at the convention. Lately many of your posts have a very negative vibe...
-John
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quote:Originally posted by sonnydbar: Alpha I'll take it that you share in the idea that Diana is a paid pumper, and I will disagree with you, that's all. Hey I've been wrong before, but i don't think on this one.
No No No... I was afraid I would be seen as that. No. I don't necessarily share that thought but I was just trying to help Robin's question answered because he raises valid concerns here and there and I be curious as to the response he gets. I don't think "she shares info" is a valid answer. Diana's actually taught me alot and I don't expect to stop learning now.
But please don't read this as accusing anybody as anything and I not trying to instigate anything. Just trying to stick to the teamwork and information motif.
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I am down -23.16% from my last major buy in @ 0.019... I bought my largest amount at .0044, still buying even now... just smaller amounts....more along the lines of 30k shares to 6K shares... depending on my mood.
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quote:Originally posted by sonnydbar: yeah, I saw the date, but I thought if they were interested back then who knows.
SONNY,
I AM TRYING TO KEEP THIS POSITIVE. BRINGING UP THINGS THAT HAPPENED 3 YEARS AGO HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ON THIS QBID THREAD IN THE LAST 500 PAGES OF POSTS. WE KNOW ALL THIS. IT REALLY IS TOAST (BURNT).
IF YOU ARE BORED AND WANT TO FIND INFO GET CURRENT INFO. BOOTY JUST BOUGHT UP 5 TYPED PAGES OF CURRENT DD ON QBID. CURRENT NEWS RELEASES. CURRENT NEWSPAPER AND MAGAZINE ARTICLES. CURRENT WEB SITES AND LINKS TO POLITICAL AND RELATIVE UPDATED INFORMATION. EVEN HAS A LIST OF HUNDREDS OF COMPANIES LIKE GE--FIRESTONE--ETC--ETC WHO HAVE AND ARE CONTINUING TO BACK THE GAY COMMUNITY.
WHAT HAPPENED 3 AND 4 YEARS AGO IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. RECONGNIZING THE CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I JUST DO NOT WANT TO CONFUSE CURRENT POTENTIAL AND NEWBIE INVESTORS. THEN WAS THEN AND NOW IS NOW. QBID WAS NEVER AT THIS POINT OR EVEN CLOSE TO THIS POINT IN A LAUNCH BEFORE. FRANK HAS ADMITTED HIS ERRORS IN JUDGEMNET, FINANCES, PUBLIC RELATIONS. PERSONAL CONFLICTS AND BASIC CUTTING HIS NOSE OFF TO SPITE HIS OWN FACE.
LETS TRY AND KEEP THIS CURRENT. THE STOCK IS RETRACING BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT STOCKS DO. QBID IS HANDLING BUSINESS. MARKET MAKERS ARE HANDLING THEIR BUSINESS. WE EITHER STICK OR BAIL. NEWBIES BAIL OUT OF FEAR. MARKET MAKERS BANK ON THAT. NOT TO LOAD UP. THEY HAVE THE SHARES THEY NEED. THEY BANK ON THAT TO BRING NEW FRESH MONEY INTO THE PICTURE. ALSO THEY BANK ON PEOPLE AVERAGING DOWN. PERSONALLY I AM GOING TO TAKE A NAP. 50% RETRACEMENT IS AT .0135 OR SO. FACTORING IN PSHYCHOLOGICAL AND EMOTIONAL TRADING--I SEE IT CLOSING GREEN TODAY. GREEN OR REALLY CLOSE TO EVEN.
GFYF-SSWH-OMOG-SFII BANKED ME ABOUT ABOUT 20% TO 40% ON EACH TRADE. GOTTA LOVE THE GAME. HAVE A GREAT NITE FOLKS. DUE YOUR OWN DD A QBID WILL NOT LET US DOWN.
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I LOVE THIS!!! MORE, MORE, AND YES EVEN MORE! I LOVE DIPS! I GET TO ADDDDDDDDDD TO THE MONEY PILE! MUUUUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! RUN QBID RUN!
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here she goes again... pumping Qbid (wink, wink)... oh wait I want her to do that... I like the idea that there is so much positive news out there... keep up the good work Diana... I am with you on this one! Posts: 1153 | From: northeast | Registered: Apr 2004
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hummm, Interesting to see everyone's thinking. My opinion is that this is a good wager for the time being. Do I think QBID will ever really be an online TV network? No I do not. Do I think the stock could go as high as a $1? Yes maybe it can (maybe not this time). I am sure this post will make many of you lash out but the fact is most successful cable networks do not start out in the pennies, they are usually well funded and produced by existing networks. This company is a shell and don’t you forget it. I see so many people pumping this thing it’s unbelievable. Put some money in and get some profit but beware it might not be the success you all dream its going to be. How about some voices of level headed investors here!
Do some history on QBID see what they used to do as a company and look at them now? Do you see that? CrAzY stuff huh? Interesting. Some CEOs have found its profitable running these shells and creating hype, the point is you can make money just don’t get left holding the bag.
That’s my 2cents today! Yes I am still a BIG share holder but Ill be looking for a nice exit soon.
I am not a basher but you guys pumping this thing like it’s the last working bilge pump on the Titanic are creating a dangerous sense of stability on a very long shot.
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Diana, sorry about the old info, but i have always been positive, bored maybe, but always positive.
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Diana has hit a very good point, then was then now is now. I listen, you must listen to learn, to people I have known for 20 years talk about how the market and political situation is prime for this company. These are people who 3-5 years ago would not even discuss the concept of Gays or Lesbians in public! Now these same people are discussing how this is so huge that no political entity has the capability to stop it. I am not saying it is right or wrong, however I will be the first to agree this change cannot be stopped in the current state of affairs of this country. Will it hit .50, $1, $5? I hope it runs to the moon, odds are against it but ANYTHING is possible when you are dealing with an investing population, which has strong emotional feelings for a particular issue supported by this company. 7.5-9 BILLION O/S! WOW! At $1 PPS that is $7.5-$9 BILLION Market Cap, which should reflect the Enterprise Valuation at the same, if you are looking at it from a fundamentals perspective. Enterprise Evaluation based on 3 year revenues would be $3 billion per year. That is a big number, but when you look at companies like Google earning $1 billion a year from banner ads it really makes that $3 billion a lot easier to imagine. And do not for get the 50% share buy back which takes us back to $1.5 billion per year. And I would challenge anyone to identify 100 companies out of the fortune 500 which fit into the fundamentals equation for Market Cap VS Enterprise Valuation. Sorry for the rant but WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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Hey if I was pumping, this thing would be higher than your height so I don't understand your point.The information here is based solely on events recent and not recent that is what we call DD. Trend of a stock is a normal behavior check the charts and you will know what I mean if you know how to read them.
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quote:Originally posted by JBCak47: RealSlimShady:
NUTS!
JBCake, it seems like you don't want to listen to anything that puts a damper on your QBID dream. This is investing which means that you have to assess both the positives and the negatives. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop whining about people creating "bad vibes."
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Hey I can post whatever I want to, its my board to and I could care less. Listen someone needs to be the voice of reason people are just getting carried away here.
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Diana, you're awesome and I appreciate your work. Having said that, how the heck can you say that we will be close to green today??? Based on what? we'll close at around .0147. If you're right, I'll never doubt anything you say. But, if you're wrong, I gotta start wondering if what RobinO is saying makes sense
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quote:Originally posted by $$$qbid$$$: Hey if I was pumping, this thing would be higher than your height so I don't understand your point.The information here is based solely on events recent and not recent that is what we call DD. Trend of a stock is a normal behavior check the charts and you will know what I mean if you know how to read them.
I am sorry did I comment on the trend of this stock somewhere in my post? I dont think so. I especially like "you will know what I mean if you know how to read them" what in the price of tea in china hell are you talking about??? hehehehe you are funny.
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There are several people here that have made alot of money already, and then there are those of us who would like to. I don't have alot invested, but i can dream! AND dreaming is healthy if you read the stats. If we don't have the experts doing the homework for us rookies then I wouldn't know where to invest I'm just to new at this. SO I SAY DREAMAWAY AND DREAM BIG AND GO GO GO QBID!!!
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quote:Originally posted by AlphaMale: I'm not a conspericy theorist and I'm not dogging anyone. I'm just trying to restate Robin's question and possible read into the motives behind it. Am I right
Yup you got the jist of what I was asking. Frank is too busy to talk to investors.. according to Cash, he only showed up at the booth for a very short period of time.. Cash says that Steve told him soft launch would be 2-8 weeks.. now RealityInc comes in and says she's getting Frank's secretary to set up calls for her and that they're all telling her that everything is on schedule. I don't know what else to think other than that she's on the TTN payroll. I seriously doubt any of us could call up QTV and ask for someone to set up a call with Frank. Yet she manages to pull it off and get all this positive information. I hate accusing people, so I won't go so far as to say "I think she's a paid pumper," but right now it certainly looks like it and I'd like to hear an explanation of how she has so much inside access. She and U4 are the two biggest shareholders and have been the biggest pro-QBID people on the board throughout the last 400 or so pages on this company. U4 disappears, minus his L2 quotes (thanks for those btw), as soon as the stock peels back, and when Cash shares firsthand info of the launch date that is now potentially 2 months away instead of 2 weeks, Reality responds with her phone conversations with the big whigs that say everything is on schedule. This just has pumping written all over it. I wonder if there are any archives from investor boards 3 years ago when they were going through all of their false starts... would be interesting to see who was around back then pumping the way. To be honest, I was completely uninterested in Cash's trip to the convention, thinking that nothing new could come from it.. but his comment about soft launch being 2-8 weeks away is probably the most revealing thing I've heard in the last 3 months. Sounds like we're in for another round of false starts....if it wasn't for the PR firm getting hired, I'd have bailed on this one. I just hope Deveney can sort this out.
-R
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Interesting info found....what do you guys think?? U4? Cash? Diane?
FOLKS, LQQK AT THIS PPS PROJECTION ==>> From another message board:
I just got back from dinner with some fellow QBID investors. The topic of QBID's future pps popped up...and from our discussion...this is what we came up with...keep in mind that three of the other investors are very conservative engineers...You should have seen the table clothe when we were done...chicken scratch everywhere...lol
1 Year PPS projection
20-30 Million Gays and Lesbians in the US (that are out of the closet...this is a very conservative stat)
3% ROI (marketing effort)= 900,000 subscribers by year 1
900,000 x $9.95 = $8,955,000 x 50% (industry standard...cable companies cut) = $4,477,500/mo or $53,730,000/year
Advertisment/Founding Sponsor program...20 spots at $250,000 per advertiser or $5,000,000/year
Industry average is $2,500.00 per commercial x 8-10 commercials per hour or $20,000 per hour x 8760 hours per year (24/7 programming) = $175,200,000/year
Total Revenue
$53,730,000 (subscription per year based on 900K subscribers by year 1) $5,000,000 (Founding Sponsor program based on 20 spots) $175,200,000 (Commercials based on Industry standards of $2500 per commercial/8-10 per hour...24/7 programming)
Total Revenue by year 1
$233,930,000/year
Expenses (assuming 40%)
$93,572,000
Net Operating Income
$140,358,000
Per-share earnings
$140,358,000 / 4.5 Billion (assuming 9 Billion OS...after buyback of 50%) = .0311 earnings per share
assuming a very conservative (S&P) PE ratio of 18 and 20...
P/E of 18 = .56 pps P/E of 20 = .62 pps
However...QBID is a very speculative stock...and could possibly have a P/E ratio of 30, 40 or 50...
P/E of 30 = .93 pps (our pick by year 1) P/E of 40 = $1.24 pps P/E of 50 = $1.55 pps
We agreed that a PE ratio of 30 was very conservative for such a speculative stock...if QBID's soft launch goes off without a hitch...and they PR a major advertiser within one week of the soft launch...our views of QBID being a short term hold will change...we would consider holding a position long term (1-3 years)
.93 x 4.5 Billion = $4.185 Billion Market cap...
At this stage of the game the market cap is the value that the world of stock market investors has placed on the company (at least for today) Much of this perceived value is due to the expectations of a company's future prospects. Market cap is not dictated by how "big" a company is.
Here are some related links on advertising and calculating PE ratios... http://www.cheap-tv-spots.com/airtime.html (scroll down to "How much should I spend on air time?)
quote:Originally posted by needtoretire: There are several people here that have made alot of money already, and then there are those of us who would like to. I don't have alot invested, but i can dream! AND dreaming is healthy if you read the stats. If we don't have the experts doing the homework for us rookies then I wouldn't know where to invest I'm just to new at this. SO I SAY DREAMAWAY AND DREAM BIG AND GO GO GO QBID!!!
I have made a lot of money on QBID but that has ZERO relevance to my post about keeping your head out of the clouds.
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quote:Originally posted by sonnydbar: Diana, sorry about the old info, but i have always been positive, bored maybe, but always positive.
YOU ARE ALL RIGHT. I PUMP THE **** OUT QBID. STRICKTLY FOR FINANCIAL GAIN AND STRICKLY ON THE FACTS. BABY, I GOT ONE FINGER ON THE SELL BUTTON AT ALL TIMES. I ALSO TAKE MY PROFITS AS I GO. I DAY TRADE AND GAMBLE PENNYS. A POSITIVE ATTITUDE DRAWS POSITIVE RESPONSE. I BRING A NEW MEANING TO THE PHRASE "YOU WORK IT GIRL." WHY?? COLD HARD CASH!! BOTTOM LINE.
YES,I REPRESENT MYSELF TO FRANK AS A REPRESENTITIVE OF HUNDRED OF INVESTORS WHO HAVE MILLIONS INVESTED IN HIS STOCK--WITH THE SOLE INTENT OF BRINGING CORRECT AND UP TO DATE INFORMATION BACK TO A GROUP OF INVESTORS. THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH ONLY.
WELL--MAYBE THAT IS THE TRUTH AS I SEE IT. LOL WORKS FOR ME. LOL AND OBVIOUSLY IT HAS BEEN WORKING FOR YOU. ROLL WID IT.
IN MY CONVERSATION WITH CASH HE SAID SOFT LAUNCH IN 2 WEEKS AND HARD LAUNCH IN 8 WEEKS. WELL IN MY BOOK THAT IS AROUND THE 15TH AND THE END OF JUNE. SUSAN-FRANK-CASH-AND THE PR COMPANY CONFIRMED THAT. END OF STORY.
IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY--DADDY--ALL ABOUT MONEY..I WILL EARN IT. NEVER HAVE STOLEN OR LIED FOR IT. YES--I WILL PUMP QBID TILL THE COWS COME HOME. AS LONG AS IT IS THE TRUTH.
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