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Also probably worth mentioning the Japan story just out today about the messed-up entry...
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=8813275
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Botched Stock Trade Costs Japan Firm $225M
12/09/2005

Associated Press/AP Online

TOKYO - Japan's government rebuked the Tokyo Stock Exchange and one of the country's biggest brokerage firms Friday after a typing error caused Mizuho Securities Co. to lose at least 27 billion yen ($225 million) on a stock trade.

The error roiled the Japanese market, while jitters over the reliability of the exchange's trading system contributing to a 1.95 percent drop in the benchmark Nikkei 225 index Thursday.

The Nikkei rebounded 1.45 percent Friday to finish at 15,404.05, but the mishap triggered concern among some traders just a month after an embarrassing glitch at the Tokyo exchange shut down the market for almost an entire day.

The trouble began Thursday morning, when Mizuho Securities tried to sell 610,000 shares at 1 yen (less than a penny) apiece of a job recruiting firm called J-Com Co., which was having its public debut on the exchange.

It had actually intended to sell 1 share at 610,000 yen ($5,041).

Worse still, the number of shares in Mizuho's order was 41 times the number of J-Com's outstanding shares, but the Tokyo Stock Exchange processed the order anyway.

Mizuho says it tried to cancel the order three times, but the exchange said it doesn't cancel transactions even if they are executed on erroneous orders.

By the end of the day, Mizuho Securities - a division of the nation's second-largest bank, Mizuho Financial Group, Inc., had lost at least 27 billion yen ($225 million). That total could rise, however, Mizuho Securities spokesman Hideki Sakuma said Friday, adding that the mishap was sparked by human error.

Japan's Financial Services Agency, the country's financial watchdog, began an immediate probe into what went wrong and how to prevent a repeat.

"In order to maintain the credibility of the Tokyo Stock Exchange, I very strongly want this issue to be resolved quickly," Economy and Banking Minister Kaoru Yosano told reporters Friday. "The first thing for the Financial Services Agency to do is to determine what happened in detail. Based on that, we will decide what is needed based on the rules and regulations."

"We need to think more about putting safety measures in place to prevent confusion," Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi told reporters Friday.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said the Finance Ministry was working with Mizuho and the Tokyo Stock Exchange to formulate countermeasures for the future.

J-Com's shares debuted at 672,000 yen ($5,600) on the Tokyo exchange's Mothers market and plunged to 572,000 yen ($4,767). But a big buy bid placed after Mizuho Securities' sell order helped lift J-Com to 772,000 yen ($6,433) at the close.

According to a Ministry of Finance filing, Morgan Stanley ended the session with a 31.2 percent stake in J-Com.

The Tokyo Stock Exchange suspended trading of J-Com on Friday, but declined to specify how it will sort out a mess created by the botched order. But news reports have suggested the exchange may cancel the order through penalty payments, borne by Mizuho.

Many of the sell orders have yet to be carried out, meaning further trading could "cause instability in the market," the exchange's managing director, Tomio Amano, said at a news conference.

The botched trade comes at a sensitive time for the Tokyo exchange, which has surged on record volume, spurred by buying from foreign investors.

For Mizuho Securities, the news is even worse.

Mizuho Financial Group said it would fully back its security arm's losses from erroneous trades of J-Com. But the red ink could wipe out Mizuho Securities' profit of 28 billion yen ($233 million) for the fiscal year that ended in March 2005.


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sorry, H2--tried once more and was busy then hadda take my son to the credit union...will try again Monday, though...

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OK, got my answer!

Here's what I'm gonna do:

1) NOT sign the paperwork

2) but SEND IN a reply that CLEAARRLY is in response to *their* paperwork, perhaps with copies, their originals, blah, blah, check with your attorney

3) REMIND them that because their stock last traded at .0002, they now owe! (no, listen--OWE ME) .0002 at a 3m x 1 r/s = $600 pps

4) Because of their repeated violations of the trading rules and tax code, I consider this latest communication (the "Cirilium letter") yet ANOTHER attempt at violating the law...

5) therefore I pray for and demand relief, and time is of the essence.

Tex

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Tex, where did you "get this answer" from? TIA

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Bill:
Tex, where did you "get this answer" from? TIA

an attorney that I trust, but unfortunately not an attorney I can name. i regret that--being unable to provide a source that you or *anyone* can follow-up with...

Yet, I'm also comfortable in this sense: This *is* the Internet; I'm going on guts; in the past, I was one of the most thorough reporters at the "The Dallas Morning News" in my day; hence, you see my puzzle--I *could" reveal my source, but then, what credibility would I have with you if you needed to remain anonymous?

Bottom line? I'm fading the heat on this one...

Tell the phuckers what you think the value is, copy the Blue Sky dept in your state, and also inform *everybody* that whole dammmmnnn thang is illegal...

And [Big Grin] send it in on time... Dec 15/16, I believe...

only a couple a days left

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They requested certs, also. Are you sending in your certs, Tex? I don't have certs, as they are being held in IRA.
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Yes, and they announced "you need to use certs" at a point in time 99.9% of brokers would be unable to attain them for you even if they delivered them in record time. Makes one think that those specifically at Scotties are being targetted. Also, still have not gotten my letter (broker is AT). Kind of late in the game for the company to be notifying people and still complying with the law IMO.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Bill:
Didn't ScottTrade try to send many people paper certificates as well? They seem to be trying real hard to distance them from GVRP/MAMG stock liabilities IMO. Seems pretty clear why, huge risk if the short position had to be covered. From a FAIR economics point of view that is the only TRUE resolution.

I got paper certs from Scottrade and the letter was from MediaMAgic

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Dec 16th cutoff date is almost here. I think there is a great possibility of trading resuming after that date. The price? Who knows. But with such a huge short position still existing on the stock, we might all be glad that we still own it.

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this is for ScottTrade people right? i am with Ameritrade and I haven't gotten any notices or certs from them. im sittin on my r/s shares right now.
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quote:
Originally posted by H2NRG:
They requested certs, also. Are you sending in your certs, Tex? I don't have certs, as they are being held in IRA.

I don't know where i would I send them...to MAMG/CRLU, you mean? If so, no...I'm just gonna return a photocopy of their letter and let them know I consider this more illegality...

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Yes, I believe only ScottTrade people. I have received no letter. I have a theory that letter may be just a ploy to get some cheap shares before we start trading again.

I could be wrong, but something's going on. Stock can't be inactive forever. I'm sure someone other than us wants it to trade again too.

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After thinking it over some more, I decided not to dignify "the letter" with a response. One, it's just more illegal BS; two, it wasn't a registered/certified letter, so they have no way of tracking who received it...

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Well, yeah, if it was just sent regular mail they have no proof that you received it. Even if you did receive it it's bogus anyway, just a worthless piece of paper (hey, that sounds familiar, kind of like our shares, lol.)

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what i will do? send to a copy to Mike Banyas and my Blue Sky guy in the state office...simply more evidence.

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I'm going to send my Paper Certs I got from Scottrade to my Vanguard Brokerage account. Vanguard said they would take them and add them into my account at no charge. I have been working my money out of Scottrade. I have seen how Scottrade works and they do absolutely nothing to help out their clients, their just looking out for themselves.
(I have done nothing with the Letter I received from Media Magic and I don't plan on doing anything with it)

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I have my certs locked up in my safe...they go nowhere for less than $600 each......

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Anyone hear anything lately? Is this a $50 write off for 2005 or what?

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Hi George, I believe MAMG would like some that have certs to participate and write off their losses. To do so is just plain STUPID IMO. Huge upward potential exists so why sell for a 100% loss, particularly when significant concerns about the legality of what has been done persist. TO SELL IS TO LET MAMG GET AWAY WITH THIS

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In a letter AT sent me they claim that a company or TA can direct them to do just about anything (whether legal or not) and they can proceed to do so (whether legal or not) because the company or TA told them to do so.

The letter suggests that the company (MAMG) or it's TA could instruct brokers to liquidate/exchange/redemption/no redemption of MAMG stock and then AT could just "act in accordance".

The letter also implies regulators have no say so- the company or TA can act independantly of regulators and that alone is adequate for a broker to take such action.

Specifically....

If shares are deemed null and void by the company, transfer agent, regulators, or the courts Ameritrade would remove the position from your account. This removal could include liquidation, exchange, redemption, or no redemption at all.

So....

They seem to be saying a company can sell shares and then just say "just kidding" we really didnt sell you those shares they are null and void.

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Here is the letter I received. I am thinking of contacting FLA and SEC/NASD authorities and asking them when their authority to interpret and enforce rules was passed along to transfer agents and companies?

December 15th, 2005 <b>(FYI> I sent my email on 11/22. MAMG BS date of 12/16, huhhh, curious timing there IMO)</b>

Ameritrade account ending in dddd; Media Magic, Inc

Dear Mr <Squat>:

Thank you for your most recent correspondence received November 22nd, 2005, regarding your account held with Ameritrade., Division of Ameritrade, Inc. #1 I have reviewed your email and welcome this opportunity to respond.

You inquired about the 1,001 shares of Media Magic, Inc (MAMG) you hold in your account and advised Ameritrade that we are not to sell any shares of your MAMG stock unless you place an order or send you stock certificates for your MAMG shares without your request. As of the date of this letter, the Depository Trust Company #2 (DTC) cannot issue stock certificates for MAMG. Additionally, no market centers are accepting orders for MAMG. Positions held in your account remain there for holding or negotiating at the discretion of the account holder(s). However, if shares are deemed null and void by the company, transfer agent, regulators, or the courts Ameritrade would remove the position from your account. This removal could include liquidation, exchange, redemption, or no redemption at all. Although we do not have any bearing on whether this determination would ever be made, we will act in accordance with the direction of the above parties if the position is no longer valid.

Mr. <Squat>, I again apologize for any frustration you may have experienced in this matter. However, Ameritrade has no role in determining if stock certificates can be issued for MAMG or whether or not a market center will accept MAMG orders. Should you have additional questions regarding your account please contact an Ameritrade Apex representative toll-free at 888-871-9007 or via the "Contact Us" link on the Ameritrade Web site. Apex representatives are available to assist your 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, excluding market holidays.

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#2- DTC is a national clearinghouse for the settlement of trades in corporate and municipal securities. DTC is owned members of the financial industry, is a limited purpose trust company under New York Banking Law, is a member of the Federal Reserve System and is a registered clearing agency with the Securities and Exchange Commission.


I personally thank you for your business and for the opportunity to be of service in this matter. On behalf of Ameritrade, we look forward to serving your investment needs in the future.

Sincerely,
<xxxxxxx x. xxxxxxx>

Client and Regulatory Relations Analyst
Corporate Compliance

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That is absolutely incredible. Obviously that broker is in this very very deep.

I wish there were someone here with some high media connections that could get this thing put on Primetime Live or Dateline. This crap needs to be exposed. That one stock reporter we had is not enough, we need something bigger.

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Screw this stock...I may stop investing and start worthless startup companies with tons of worthless stocks...then I am going to r/s them into 11 shares then announce a f/s split, sell into the news before the split, then halt trading, then merge with another worthless shell I create and then I will null and void all the A/S of the first company after I have given all the assets to the new shell...I can not wait for 2006 so I can get started in the New Year...have a good one folks and if you ever see that I am a CEO be fore warned..... [Smile]

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LMAO, I dont think I need to worry about it, I've already stopped investing. The only thing left in my account is 167 MAMG, value .43

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Time to raise the DEAD.....

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ahhh, dude--thought you had some news...

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My MAMG shares just transferred from Scottie...
to my Investrade account today... CUSIP 58440Y101

Note that the share amount is post-illegal-R/S.

These shares had been transferred out of Scottie to Investrade back in mid-December, then 10 days later, reverted to Scottie as a "FAIL REVERSAL", and had been sitting at Scottie ever since.

So, why the activity today???

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Art has come up with a nice chronology of early GVRP events from the TGL forum... read them in the Information Box (I-Box) of this board... http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=3925 . This chronology starts after "GVRP – the saga begins."
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Ya know...I think I'll send a copy of my cert to the SEC c/o Commissioner Cox, along with a screen shot of the ticker/name change, to Commissioner Cox perhaps cc'd to some appropriate papers... certified mail? hmmm anyway, my position would be sumpin like: I am an investor; you are sworn to protect me--please explain how I got these 50 shares. I see that a ticker/name change was authorized, but no reverse split. I'd like to have my 150,000,000 shares along with your assurance that they will soon be freely trading in the marketplace.

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Cox sucks!

Remember Christopher Cox has a criminal history
and is Bush's main boy. Highly doubtful you will
make headway with Cox; he supports financial crime.

If the GLUV fits...

My MAMG is up to .000 per share! Go GLUV!

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http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=12121024

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Date:7/19/2006 3:37:26 PM
Post #of 91219

Exactly. Once the big names said they didnt have time to spend on GVRP it all fell apart.

IMO what is really needed is an organized effort with a schedule and a commitment from those involved to stick to the schedule, post when they call, and what they are told.

Get 5 people contacting the SEC daily.
Get 5 people contacting the NASD daily.
Get 5 people contacting FLA daily.

Cycle on a daily basis from SEC -> NASD -> FLA.

Now we got a BUG THE CRAP OUT OF YOU until you do something game going.

Tear regulators a NEW AHole until they act.

At least I am laying out a gameplan instead of saying:

a) I dont have time for GVRP anymore
b) Call the FLA guy LOL
c) Write someone who does not care.

REGULATORS DO NOT CARE BECAUSE THEY PERCEIVE WE DO NOT CARE.
WHEN WE GET OFF OF OUR ASSES AND DO SOMETHING PERHAPS SOMETHING WILL CHANGE!


So who is in? we need 15 committed people who will continue to bug regulators and post their results.


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Mr. Bill is serious--it's time to make some noise with regulators. GVRP shareholders... let's get this back on the regulators' radar screens. What we're seeing with PAIV now should have been seen with GVRP! Don't let this get swept under the rug!

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Date:7/19/2006 10:48:04 PM
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GVRP: *** Signup list to NAG SEC/NASD/Florida ***

Please add you name and post an alias and an hour you wish to contact regulators.

PS. I am driving from Florida to Texas tomorrow starting at 11AM so will be unavailable for the rest of the business week.



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An old friend (keithsan), emailed this to me, looks like a screwing :

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2006/comp19795.pdf

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here is the GVRP thread...

the FWD split was 3 million to one..

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here ya go repo...

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