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Hey bart, as far as this streaming quotes I have here, is there any insight you may have being you have been doing this longer.. i think i have figures out that if Bid size is lower then ask size it will most of the time push the price up...
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Here's what I think! You have the BID, the ASK, and the LAST. Say the BID is .035 and the ASK is .040 and the LAST .040 we might have a chance in pulling the BID higher. Which in most cases will push the ASK higher but not always! This in turn should bring the LAST up. On the other hand if the BID is .035 the ASK is .040 and the LAST .035 the ASK will probably fall back to .035 causing the BID to fall back! ETC ETC Now with that being said: There is no set rule. I have seen the BID be higher than the LAST. You can have the BID at .035 ASK .040 and LAST .040 and it just set there going no where. It can do anything it wants! That is what I have noticed! I watch these things all day. It will make you nuts. Like today at the close for IBZT BID .0365 ASK .038 and LAST .038. Seems like the BID should come up. Wrong at the last the LAST fell back to .037. Some might try to tell this and that but it can do anything at anytime! Oh, Daisy thanks you for trusting her. No news and we did not go down! This is very good I think. Hope for good things Monday! In my e-mail I ask the company if they were as sure as I am about their stock going to $5 to $10. I bet they will have a good laugh at that! Hoping for answer soon! Let the MONSTER EAT!!!!!
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So basically your saying dont look at all the funny numbers.. got ya .. ya i kinda figured there was little ryhm or reason.. well i guess we wait now, i wish the market was 24/7 o well soon things will be more exciting. till then well keep on diggin
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well one more week give or take and the product will be for sale on line... and the boards will hit the stores mid feb. I been reading the articles on there web page, theres some interesting stuff there, all the people who have seen the key board at the show and such seem to be very pleased with it.
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NEO! I do not know if we could take this thing 24/7 but I do agree. Without it I feel lost! Waiting is very hard thing to do! I know this thing will be great but this waiting is driving me crazy! The main thing to remember is that we did hold our own with no news and that new company has a great product itself called the BLUE DOCK! It is suppose to be HUGE. We have great potential! The Blue Dock will cost approx $249.00. Not sure what it does but it hooks to your comp so you can do all kinds of things. Brings it out of the boy stage to the man stage. Oh, I ask in my e-mail if they had any opinion on the stock going to 5 to $10 my end of year? I said I think it can! Just sniffing for any kind of response from them! Know what I mean??? Do not worry about about IBZT going up or down it is just our lives were talking about, no big thing! HAHA! Not so funny! Our MONSTER IS GOING TO EAT! Happy days are coming! We soon I think will have to decide if and or when we want to take our orginal investment money back and let the profits ride the rest of the wave??? Food for thought. If you do that then you take no chance of loosing anything! For me that might take some of the excitement out of it. We will see! Have a great day an think IBZT!
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Ok, I have been reading every board, post, email, paper, and milk jug out there looking for the right answers on IBZT. After talking to many in the electronic manufacturing business I have determined they will Gross around 35% on the Keyboards. The projections are for 1-1.2 Million of these sold this year and at least 2Million by Q2 '05. This would equate to around 38 Million GP on the VKB alone. Then in Q4 they release the 250.oo blue dock which is being talked up to out sale the VKB 2:1 so that would be another 36-38 Million GP. Total around 75-78 Million GP for the year. so now we assume that they can at least maintain sales level for the next 3 years at 200 Million GP per year. so this gives us a total of 478 Million GP over 3 yrs which would be close to the Enterprise Valuation of the Company. So if this is to mirror the Market Cap that would be 478 Million divided by O/S 527,000 or Approx .90 per share. I feel the GP projections are light due to the fact that with the current patents on Laser with IR mapping they hold, will put them into hundreds of new applications. Look for expediential growth and possible buy out. Just my opinion.
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Great! Just one thing to add. The cell phone that they have coming out in the forth quater! GOOD JOB! Let the MONSTER EAT!
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Do to profit takers I feel the road will be very rough up too $.50..... at that point it should level a bit and get the large fund managers taking a look at it. When we start seeing 500,000 and 1,000,000 blocks at .50 and greater, then the ride up begins. I will be watching for this and when it happens you will not see my shares again for a loooooooong time. I bought SUNW back in 1987 , put a whole $500.00 into it and people told me sale sale sale so in 1998 after 3 splits I sold at over $$ a share and missed out on my BIG check.... this will not happen again....
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OILMAN! No better words were ever spoken. Everytime I have sold I regreted it. No selling from me on this one! This is I feel my SHIP. Let the MONSTER EAT!
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Hey oil, how long do you think it will take to get to .5 ... what does everyone expect to see the day its reported that product hit the store and is being sold
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Neo, I think $.50 will take a while, there are a lot of people out there with 400K + holdings, I have 1,000,000 my self. If these individuals have a price in there heads and decide to dump on that price then it can cause short down trends. We will move past the short term profit takers when the stocks start keep up trends even on big sales. This will lock out the sell/buy/sell/buy folks and the trend should become more stable. Like I said it needs to get to .50 and have a steady stream of good news coming in. At that point we should see the fund managers taking interest. It will be gut a twisting ride. A lot of opinions out there and this is just another to ponder. Let us look at what we think we know..... 1)IBZT spun off from a huge company in a lot of dept, and the CD holders obtained conversion to get the deal done 2)We see reports from the CEO that most of the conversion shares been done and then we see the 10:1 reverse split taking them from 5.27 billion O/S to 527 Million O/S <<per reports on company event. 3)The announcement of the VKB is made and we are off to the races 4)A little over $6 Million in debt per SEC filings 5)25-35% GP on electronic components sales 6)100,000 units per month as estimate 7)3.5-3.5 GP per month 8)at least $36 million in GP first year not including other products they are merchandizing along with the VKB to stores 9)a company with a HUGE winner (Blue Dock) allows is acquired by IBZT, the significance here is the Blue Dock alone would carry the Synosphere into a sweet level of business and they still see something in IBZT that appears to be a much greener pasture 10)Blue Dock, Cell Phone VKB, and Blue Tooth VKB could easily match the GP on the VKB first release, so let us put GP for this year at $70 Million 11)$70 Million would not only take them out of dept but set a nice cash on hand number 12)the ongoing applications with the patents between the 2 companies are endless 14)If anyone can tell me how this company could have an enterprise evaluation based on $70 million a year GP which provides for a 3 year $210 million Enterprise Evaluation, putting o/s shares in the high .30 range I would like to see the numbers. I am not saying this company is going to hit $5-$10 bucks in a year but I would say .50-1.25 is not too bullish. Long term this company has potential. At $70-$100 million GP per year they can acquire companies and increase Enterprise Value at an alarming rate. And just a shot at the Big Guys, SUNW is loosing 1 Billion a year in assets and still manages to stage price comebacks. Check out the last 3 years IBM, SUNW, CSCO…. Companies with positive cash flow, increasing assets, and decreasing dept are still the standard for success………
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would you buy this at .037 and stock up and do dollar cost average , i am not sure whether this stock is oversold or over bought any ideas ? Fundamentally lots of future and cashflow technically the stock is moving sideways cannot make up my mind NEED HELP!!! to decide
Also from 2.1 Bill OS market Cap = 77 mill
IS the company worth 77 Million today even if they make a profit of 25$ / VKB they should be selling something like 4 million VKB to account for 77mill of course these are general figures and we all invest int he future my only concern is should I get in now and swing trade like you did or buy and hold it regardless of the price.
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Thanks Oilman thats the best summary on it ive seen thus far. one question I'm still wondering is why havent they given us any numbers. like how many kb's are back ordered. I been reading some of what purl gurl has to say about the company and she is not to happy with the lack of info and dave said the same thing. why are they holding out.
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Not real sure on the lack of information unless they are secureing funds to do a buy back before the stock rallies. If I were a board member an had 300k orders hit on pre-sales I would recommend securing funds and buy back 100-200 million shares at .03 because that would be a good ivestment. Remember any common stock the commpany owns is an asset as well. this is also somthing no one has considered or looked into. And Enterprise valuation is determined by GP over 3-5 years so the 77 million marketcap stated above needs a 3-5X multiply.
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Neo, you should not allow my opinions nor the opinions of others to sway your decision.
It is good to read what others have to say, good to consider it, but you really should lean on good research and hard data.
Any, all, some, myself, we could be wrong. I never hesitate to advise people I could be wrong and could cause them to lose money, or miss making money.
My concern is simple. When an investor releationship department does not respond to legitimate inquiries, in my mind, this is a red flag.
It is I ask hard questions but no questions so tough they cannot answer. People are paid to deal with inquiries, paid with investor's money. I expect them to earn their pay.
This company has repeatedly claimed a lot of sales, back orders and all that. I want to see some hard data, in writing.
My viewpoint is if their sales are so very fantastic, as they claim, they would not hesitate at a chance to brag, would not hesitate to respond to my email, knowing I would share those impressive figures with others, causing stock sales to jump.
Maybe it is they do not want to provide any data in writing? This is my first thought, and causes significant concern.
Why are they concealing data? I do not know and will not invest until they release data for all to examine.
When a company intends to buy back stock as an investment, they will not or should not release good news until after their buy back plan is completed.
Just like us, they "should" want to buy at the lowest price possible, then later sell at a higher price.
Good news first, buy back after, illogical.
If this is their plan, then I would discount the value of this company because of poor investment strategy.
Maybe it is they have no cash and cannot afford to buy back. Releasing media hype to stimulate buying, is then logical; this brings in cash and helps to ease obtaining credit.
Contrasting this, if they have little or no cash, how will they fund production?
Their release, many times, of news about how well they are doing and not backing this up with factual numbers, causes me some concern. A good management team will know smart investors will ask for and expect written support data.
Perhaps they are not looking to address smart investors with lots of money?
I do not have a clue on any of this. You would have to be an insider to know what is really going on.
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Purl Gurl I agree the lack of information is quite perplexing. The only saving grace is that acquiring a company like Synosphere who had many investment interest at the recent CES show, tells me that the leadership in Synosphere identified something that would add value to there company. With this being a stock purchase of Synosphere I have to believe that someone on the board and or there investor management team would look at the issue of stock dilution. A nice way to take care of that would be issue X amount of stock to Synosphere, finish the acquisition, set up financing on your new value (based on estimate product sales), keep the news at bay on total sales (keeping stock prices low), make the purchase of the stock. And I guess I miss stated the fact that I believe this might be a move as you said to buy the stock back at a low price. As far as money to produce the product PO financing is available everywhere with PO's in hand. As Purl Gurl said this is just an opinion. Let us all hope that these folks are this smart. Posts: 563 | Registered: Jan 2004
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Well after reading alot of opinions I gotta say I am nervious but standing firm. I hope this is not when I learn my leason. my intent is when the news comes in sell to recover investment and keep the rest till it scores big time or it crashes and burns! outa be fun ...I need a beer! laugh
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Neo, if you are not nervous, if you do not have sweaty palms, if you are not running scared, you will lose money.
There are times I swear my stomach becomes tied in knots. Some nights, I cannot sleep well with worrying about the coming trading day. You should be worried, very worried.
This fear and worry will make you a good investor, as will taking a loss periodically. You will become cautious, you will become conservative and you will do better research, all a result of being scared.
You better worry! When you don't, you are bound to lose money, right and left!
Wishing you luck, sincerely. Nothing I like more than seeing people make money.
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Purl, I'm curious as to how the ibiz spinoff could play into this longterm. Any thoughts on this? Kaged
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I guess I am going to lose a lot of money! I am not scared nor to I have sweaty palms. I have already made a lot of money but now I guess I will lose it all back plus some. My last comment on IBZT. But the MONSTER WILL EAT UP THE SELLERS AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!!!! This is my last statement on IBZT! Oilman you are right this is going up! Neo you will be rewarded! Now I will set and do what I do! Make money on stocks! Bart signing OFF
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Ok to put the O/S # to bed I bought the Reuters report issued on 14 Jan 2004. It runs $25 and is a small price to pay for good accurate info. 529.22Million O/S with 285.80 million float 6.35 million in debt...... EAT MONSTER EAT!!!!!!
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finally hard data thanks oil.... purl good to hear I am not the only one stressed about it... bart no need to go awal, talken to you about this thing is keeping me sain... not to long from now we'll all look back and learn something ... " I HOPE" ... and hopefully Ill be learning it while dreaming on my new boat!!!
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Oil can you give me an acurate run down of what that info says to you? What is a float..
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Float are outstanding shares that are in reserve by the company for capitalization or public issue
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A lot of people have claimed that the O/S stands around 2 billion. If you can share your report with us it would be great. If they have 529 million O/S this means there will be no R/S which is a very good news.
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Ok I think the confusion is the old Ibiz huge, giant, loosing money, corporation did have over 2 billion shares and I have yet been able to track who had them all for sure. Now according to form 10-SB filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on September 25th 2003.... it says that in accordance with the spin off all existing shareholders were awarded 1 share per 500 shares of the old company... that said the new report witch is protected pdf that I cant down load go figure.... anyway it says clearly 529.22 O/S and 285.80 Float.... so with all that said perhaps I missed somthing and if I did please clarify if not WAHOOOOO!!!! GO BOY GO!! I SEE SPINDLETOP II!!!
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Really had me thinking about it so I went and pulled all the SEC fillings just before the split and all of them since. I found exactly where they increased the shares to 50 million clean paper and 450 million O/S witch is in support of the reports I have seen. So I stand my ground until someone else produces documentation or reference to documentation contradicting this.
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Well I got curious too & went ahead into my Fidelity Account & found that....
....According to the report ProVestor Plus Company Report (Jan 24, 2004), IBZT has 529.2 O/S & a Market Capitalization of 19.6 Million. This is great news.
The same information you have so I guess we have the same info supported by reports, unless we are missing something from the spinout.
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I am back! Could not stay away! Neo remember oil man said the let people talk him into selling back in 1993 that he got in 87. Well lets do not make that mistake! Do not anyone tell you to sell until you are ready! A lot more products are in the works and can only help IBIZ! As I said in the past! If we can stay even or go up on no news then we are looking good! Oilman you t Steve and RAJ are right! We need to just hang in there and we will be rewarded. I wished I would have invented this TOY! Eat MONSTER Eat! Still listed as BUY BUY BUY 100% Long Term!
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Hey bart good to have you back... Good day today up to .044 lookin good... and oil good work on finding that info thats one less thing to worry about. Another thing about this stock that has not been said is that in there reports some where it was said that the are useing the laser keyboard as levarage with retailers to force them to carry all of there other products that they were not carrying so that will do great things for revenue!!! My confidence grows
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quote:Originally posted by Neo: Another thing about this stock that has not been said is that in there reports some where it was said that the are useing the laser keyboard as levarage with retailers to force them to carry all of there other products that they were not carrying so that will do great things for revenue!!! My confidence grows
quote:Originally posted by Neo: Gotta do what ya gotta do, besides they all do it!
100% correct: What gets me is when a certain person keeps down grading IBZT and not giving out the right info! So I said I did not need this! But, I was wrong! My work is to keep IBZT in the lime light and try to keep people putting out the correct info. So me and the MONSTER are back to stay. We are headed places and I feel the CEO will get us their. Still nothing on my E-Mail. But, they are probably overwhelmed by all this stuff! Eat MONSTER Eat! When you get your boat we will meet on a island with all the other believers drinking a few drinks! Well maybe more than a Few. Hope you will join in Dave, Oilman and Steve!
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