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even worse than that cashcow? suppose we DO get every kid through college? (that's a common dream goal) who is goingto be the garbage collector? the worst part about that model is that if thegarbage collectors stop working? we will all be sick in 6 months....

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I am sure there will be plenty of immigrants to fill the garbage collection jobs.

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not if we send them all to college

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Originally Posted By Glassman:

"not if we send them all to college"
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Right on!

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North Carolina Charity Threatened With Arrest For Feeding Homeless People

By Scott Keyes on August 26, 2013 at 9:57 am


feeding homeless NC
CREDIT: Love Wins Ministries

A group that for years has handed out food to the homeless in Raleigh every weekend was threatened with arrest if they continued their charity work.

This past Saturday, Rev. Hugh Hollowell and other members of Love Wins Ministries (LWM), a Christian organization based in Raleigh, shuttled over hot coffee and 100 breakfast sandwiches to feed the needy downtown. Though a Raleigh city ordinance prevents anyone from distributing food in a park without a permit, LWM had a “good working relationship with the Raleigh Police Department” and had disbursed food from the sidewalk for the past six years, according to the group’s website.

However, this weekend was different, for reasons that are not yet clear. As LWM was setting up, they were approached by Raleigh police officers who informed them that if they tried to hand out their breakfast sandwiches, they would be arrested. As 70 needy people watched and waited for breakfast, LWM was forced to pack up the sandwiches and leave without distributing any food. They were told that a permit would cost $1,600 every weekend for use of the park, but the officer allegedly told them it was unlikely their application would be approved regardless.

As LWM notes, there are no soup kitchens in Raleigh that are still open on the weekends, so their work has been pivotal in making sure hungry people get a meal on the weekends.

ThinkProgress left a message with the Raleigh Police Department as to why, unlike in past years, the ordinance was now being strictly enforced, but did not hear back before publication. Police spokesman Jim Sughrue told ABC 11 that “People were simply informed the ordinance prohibits the kinds of actions some groups have been engaged in at the park.”

For her part, the mayor of Raleigh is already taking action. During a rally on Sunday in protest, Mayor Nancy McFarlane showed up and apologized for the encounter, saying, “I’m sorry for the confrontation or whatever happened yesterday, but I think the outcome is going to be good.” She said she would convene a meeting soon about how to rectify the matter. In the meantime, LWM is looking for an alternate downtown location to distribute food on the weekends, such as a private building or parking lot, and asking for any leads to contact them at hugh@lovewins.info.

LWM are not the only people who have been threatened with arrest recently for daring to feed hungry people in public. In 2011, three members of a charitable group Foods Not Bombs were arrested in Orlando for passing out food to the homeless in a public park. Similarly, an 82-year-old Hartford, Connecticut man who had distributed free haircuts to the homeless for the past decade in a local park, was ordered to stop by police officers in June because he didn’t have a license, though he was eventually allowed to continue his charity work after the ensuing media firestorm.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WMn_zHCVo

Happy fourth of july America. Perfect example of mis-use of power.

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That is a disgusting use of power. That cop in that video right there is the true definition of pig.

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the first time i was illegally detained and searched after 9-11 was in 2002. It hasn't stopped. I am not even talking about flying, just driivng the roads. I've been through a dozen checkpoints without any issues other than the fact that it's unconstitutional.
I posted here several times about differnt times i've been stopped illegally. I don't drink and drive ever anymore.
Until someoen takes this all the way the supreme court and wins a case that proves we have the right to drive a car on the road, we will be subjected to this behavior.

because cars were not invented yet? the legal position is that we don't have the right to use them. checkpoints are not unreasonable because they stop everyone? LOL...


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


unless you have tail light out, or touch the white line with your wheels, or do not maintain the appropriate speed? (drinkers often go too slow) they do not have nay right to stop you and conduct a search even of your breath....

the real problem lies in the issue of whether you have the right to use th roads and drive a car without being searched. they claim you don't. but since you cannot make a living or obtain your foodwithout doing it? it is aright, and someone needs to take this argument all the way to SCOTUS. i don't have that kinda dough.

followup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d8lRRN_eS0

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJO74SvEHYg

there is no reason to forcibly take the blood, just take their license and stop assaulting people.

look how many manhours are going into this. they have four deputies costing what? 30$ per hour each? and each one is being paid borrowed money

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if they tried this here in where i live? they'd have to evict every other person [Wink]

Man could get kicked out of his home if he gets any more “nuisance points”
Ironically, protesting the town's "nuisance points" is also considered a nuisance

Posted on August 29, 2013 by O.D. in Uncategorized

http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/man-could-get-kicked-out-of-his-home-if-he-ge ts-any-more-nuisance-points/

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Seems I remember someone warning of this very ting years ago on this site and being scoffed at.

My how times change.

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scoffed at by me? i'm pretty sure i've accumulated more "nuisance points" than you have, but you have a higher percentage than i do... good to see you are still ornery

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Yeah by you JA.

Ornery is one word for it lol

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well, you since you put it that way, i didn't intend for you to take it as being scoffed at, i did intend to make you be more constructive in your critiques. i admit that i have become less of n optimist about the power of constructive criticism in the last few years. mostly due to personal experiences that prove that winning in a dirty fight (even tho it is a win) is not pertikerlurly gratifying, and time wasted fighting is still wasted time.

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Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion about the direction of this country. It is clear that things are quickly developing along a constant trendline towards full state control.

It's saddening to watch, but enraging at the same time.
Awareness of the trend is by far one of the most important things to me. I have a family to protect and when it's time to run before they finally drop the hammer on us.. I want a heads up.

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there's no place to run.

they have checkpoints now on almost daily basis in yazoo city which is a chokepoint to get out of the Delta towards Jackson and all points south of there.

Yazoo City is fly dirt on the map but htey now have all brand new Chargers on the police force and the jail is always full of out-of towners. You know how poor the Delta is, more than half the people do not have car insurance- i pay double for mine because of that. They will not release anybody from jail without someone who has a job signing for them. It's no longer just bonding out. They are confiscating alot of cash too.
The cops have all figured out how to fund their programs and the only way to stop this is to take away their right to cash and property seizures.

start there. do not allow police to keep a penny of what they confiscate and fully half of the police state problem will crumble.
i know that ain't the only probelm we face, but this particular part is how the grassroots of a police state begin to choke out all freedom.

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My place built that shiny new precast prison.

That was an FBOP funded program.
I don't think there is a solution.. A viable one anyways. It's too far gone now. The only thing that stops it is some sort of reset.

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well, two major gun control lawmakers were recalled yesterday in a Colorado recall election. people are concerend that gun control laws really mean that only the govt will have guns

i expect more elected officals who advocated or voted for gun control legislation to face tough if not unwinnable campaigns next year

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Glass...you'll love this.

Missouri bill would void federal gun laws, OK machine guns for residents

By Leslie Bentz and George Howell, CNN
updated 7:39 AM EDT, Wed September 11, 2013

Kearney, Missouri (CNN) -- The Missouri state legislature is trying to accomplish something that's never been done: pass a law that'll not only let residents own a machine gun, but also arrest federal agents if they try to take it away.
What's more, the bill would make it illegal for anyone to publish any information about a gun owner.
"There are people saying this is the same as seceding from the Union," said gun owner Kevin Jamison. "Missouri did not secede from the Union in 1862, and it does not do so by passing this law."
The legislation already passed once through the Republican-led House and Senate -- only to be vetoed by Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.
Nixon argued that the legislation violated a provision in the U.S. Constitution called the Supremacy Clause. The Supremacy Clause gives preference to federal laws over state laws.
Lawmakers insist what they're proposing is not only constitutional, but essential to protect the rights of gun owners.
So Wednesday, the legislature votes on an override of the veto.
Colorado recall a proxy in national gun control debate
What the bill says
The author of the bill is optimistic.
"This bill doesn't put one new gun on the street," State Representative Doug Funderburk told CNN. "It strictly says that Missouri is going to protect the Second Amendment rights of Missourians."
By superseding current federal regulations, House Bill 436 would make it a criminal offense to enforce background checks or to publish the name and address of a gun owner in the state.
It would also allow citizens to own a machine gun, which is banned under federal regulations. Most importantly, it will nullify federal gun laws and make it a misdemeanor for a federal agent to attempt to enforce them.
Gun permits for the blind? Iowa grants them, stirs debate
Opponents worry
Multiple states like Ohio, Minnesota and Texas have pursued similar bills in recent months in reaction to attempts at federal gun control legislation after the December shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Opponents worry such a law could all but end any joint operations between local and federal law enforcement agencies when it comes to taking guns off the streets.
St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson has been one of its most vocal opponents.
"(We are) basically saying to criminals, 'OK criminals, it's OK to come to Missouri. We won't prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law,'" he said.
If the state legislature succeeds in overriding the governor's veto, the issue would almost certainly head to court.
CNN's George Howell reported from Kearney, Missouri; Leslie Bentz from Washington

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/us/missouri-gun-laws-challenge/

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Own a machine gun , It will be ok after all I am sure they will have machine gun safety classes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
Glass...you'll love this.

Missouri bill would void federal gun laws, OK machine guns for residents

By Leslie Bentz and George Howell, CNN
updated 7:39 AM EDT, Wed September 11, 2013

Kearney, Missouri (CNN) -- The Missouri state legislature is trying to accomplish something that's never been done: pass a law that'll not only let residents own a machine gun, but also arrest federal agents if they try to take it away.
What's more, the bill would make it illegal for anyone to publish any information about a gun owner.
"There are people saying this is the same as seceding from the Union," said gun owner Kevin Jamison. "Missouri did not secede from the Union in 1862, and it does not do so by passing this law."
The legislation already passed once through the Republican-led House and Senate -- only to be vetoed by Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.
Nixon argued that the legislation violated a provision in the U.S. Constitution called the Supremacy Clause. The Supremacy Clause gives preference to federal laws over state laws.
Lawmakers insist what they're proposing is not only constitutional, but essential to protect the rights of gun owners.
So Wednesday, the legislature votes on an override of the veto.
Colorado recall a proxy in national gun control debate
What the bill says
The author of the bill is optimistic.
"This bill doesn't put one new gun on the street," State Representative Doug Funderburk told CNN. "It strictly says that Missouri is going to protect the Second Amendment rights of Missourians."
By superseding current federal regulations, House Bill 436 would make it a criminal offense to enforce background checks or to publish the name and address of a gun owner in the state.
It would also allow citizens to own a machine gun, which is banned under federal regulations. Most importantly, it will nullify federal gun laws and make it a misdemeanor for a federal agent to attempt to enforce them.
Gun permits for the blind? Iowa grants them, stirs debate
Opponents worry
Multiple states like Ohio, Minnesota and Texas have pursued similar bills in recent months in reaction to attempts at federal gun control legislation after the December shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Opponents worry such a law could all but end any joint operations between local and federal law enforcement agencies when it comes to taking guns off the streets.
St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson has been one of its most vocal opponents.
"(We are) basically saying to criminals, 'OK criminals, it's OK to come to Missouri. We won't prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law,'" he said.
If the state legislature succeeds in overriding the governor's veto, the issue would almost certainly head to court.
CNN's George Howell reported from Kearney, Missouri; Leslie Bentz from Washington

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/us/missouri-gun-laws-challenge/

i do like it that states who do not agree with what is being done in Washington pass laws contrary to Federal Laws. Especially whne those laws (and treaties) are generally contrary tp popular will of the people.

remember that the nation once passed a Caonstitutional amenment to ban alcohol, but now youe see beer commercials all weekned long in between passing and running plays [Wink]
times change, back and forth, ebb and flow....
what the Constitution does not allow the Feds to do the Sates are obligated to cahallenge, if that is the will of the people...

the US is always in a revolutionary condition.... but it's peaceful, and hopefully will reamin so...

the "supremacy clause"



U.S. Constitution

Article VI

All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

particualrly note that no religious test shall EVER be required. not even putting your hand on a Bible, nor "under God"

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quote:
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Own a machine gun , It will be ok after all I am sure they will have machine gun safety classes.

i have no interset in owning a machine gun. my only interst in them has ever been that of being paid by the navy to keep 'em claen and working.


however,


How to Buy a Machinegun

Yes, You can legally own a machinegun

Unless you live in one of the few states that prohibit machineguns (listed below) or are a convicted felon you can legally own a fully automatic machine gun. In most states, if you qualify to own a handgun, you are qualified to own a machinegun. Machineguns are certainly the most fun and most collectible firearms you can own.

There is no blanket law that prevent private ownership of machineguns. In fact, macihineguns are a very wise and lucrative investment. The reason for this is that in 1986, Congress passed the Firearms Owner’s Protection Act. (Sounds like a good thing, right?) Wrong.

This law banned the manufacture, import, and sale of new machineguns to civilians. Any guns manufactured and registered with BATFE after May of 1986 cannot be sold or possessed by individual citizens. There is, however, over a quarter million existing “pre-May” machineguns that are perfectly legal to purchase. These machine guns are commonly called “transferables.”

So, how can machineguns be a great investment? It’s as simple as supply and demand. The supply of ‘transferable’ machineguns is fixed by the 1986 ban, and the demand by people who want to own and shoot them is steadily increasing. For instance, a transferable MP5 might sell for $15,000 now, they typically sold for $5000 or less ten years ago. Unlike stock, bonds, and mutual funds it’s highly unlikely that it will ever be worthless. In hard times, they may even be worth more. Machine guns are an investment you can cherish, enjoy shooting, and pass on to future generations.

Aren’t these guns dangerous? Well, like any firearm, they can be misused. However, legal machine guns are never misused. As of 1995, there were over 240,000 machine guns registered by the BATFE nationwide. About half are owned by civilians and the other half by government agencies. Since 1934, only two homocides have been linked to legally owned machine gun, and one was committed by a law enforcement officer, as opposed to a civilian (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime). What that means is that there is essentially no crime committed by individuals owning machine guns. Since these machineguns are already strictly controlled, there has been little or no ‘anti-gun’ pressure on them.

The Process
Ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934, individuals buying machineguns have required the same procedure for each machinegun.
1) Federal transfer form with fingerprints and photographs for the background check.
2) One-time transfer tax of $200.

When your form is approved, a Federal stamp in the amount of $200 is attached to your form certifying approval. This form is your ‘permission slip’ to own that specific machinegun.

Eligibility:

1. You must be a US citizen over 21
2. You must not have been convicted of a crime
3. You must live in a state and jurisdiction that does not prohibit machineguns.

States that prohibit machineguns:
California
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
New York
Rhode Island
Washington
see this site for more info about your state:
http://nraila.org/GunLaws/

Getting a Gun Transferred to You

Per the rules setup under the National Firearms Act, machineguns cannot be transferred interstate between individuals. If you find a transferable machinegun in your state, you can have it transferred directly to you on an ATF Form 4. If you buy a machinegun outside of your state, you must utilize a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) who also has a Special Occupational Tax (SOT) registration to first get the machinegun into your state. These dealers are typically referred to as “class 3 dealers.” They normally charge between $100 and $200 to facilitate the transfer process.

Transfers to dealers usually happen very quickly since there is no background check required (approximately 1-2 weeks). There are 3 types of ATF forms that are typically used for machinegun transfers:

Form 3 (tax exempt): FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT
Form 4 (transfer tax required):
to Individual/Corp (within the same state only)
Or
FFL/SOT to Individual (within the same state only) or FFL
Or
Individual to FFL/SOT
Or
Individual to Curio & Relic FFL (for C&R machineguns only)
Form 5 (tax exempt): Individual (deceased) to Heir (within the same state only)

If you buy the machinegun from an ‘individual’ in another state, he would transfer that gun to your dealer in your state on a Form 4. If you buy the machinegun from an FFL/SOT in another state, he would transfer that machinegun to your dealer in your state on a Form 3.

Once the machinegun is in your state, you must complete the Form 4 to get the machinegun transferred from the FFL/SOT to you.

Completing the Form
The Form 4 is a relatively simple two-page form. If you print it from the ATF web site (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms) , you must make sure that both pages are on the same sheet of paper. The form must be completed in duplicate. The first section is the information about the “transferee” (you) and the “transferor” (your dealer). The second section is the information about the gun.

There are three sections on the back page:
1) The standard “yes” and “no” questions you have to answer each time you purchase a gun.
2) Section 15 (“Transferee’s Certification”): This is where you state the reason you want the machinegun. Just be honest. Most people buy machineguns for investment, collecting, target shooting, etc.
3) Section 17 (“Law Enforcement Certification”): You should ask your dealer specifically whom you should go to get this section signed. Most local officials don’t want to sign anything they are unfamiliar with, so it’s important to be directed to the correct government agent or office to deal with this form. If you’re lucky you can get your fingerprints and law enforcement certification done in the same day.

If you are filing your Form 4 as a corporation, partnership, LLC, PA or other legal entity besides ‘individual,’ you do not complete Section 17.

The fingerprint cards and photographs are for your FBI background check. This is a standard background check that is done government job applicants, schools teachers, SEC registrants, etc.

What to Send to ATF:
1) Complete Form 4 in duplicate with original ink signatures, not copies.
2) Certification of US Citizenship Form
3) Two FBI-258 Fingerprint Cards
4) Check for $200

Finding the Right Gun
Most transferable machineguns are owned by individuals. Since the ban in 1986 and the high cost of each machinegun, most FFL/SOT holders do not typically have much inventory. Further, all transferable machineguns are at least 22 years old. So buying a transferable machinegun is a lot like buying a used car. Many of the transferable machineguns are offered for sale may not be accurately represented with respect to condition, function, and authenticity. It’s important to deal with reputable collectors and dealers.
Web sites like sturmgewehr.com and subguns.com have been invaluable to the machinegun community. It’s a good idea to watch the Want To Sell (WTS) posts and discussion forums for a while before you decide to make a move on a gun.
Not all machineguns were created equal. Some guns are just better than others and some are more suited for how you like to shoot or collect.

I typically evaluate a gun in three factors:

1. Collectability:
a. How much do other people want it?
i. There are many famous machineguns like the MP-40 or Thompson that are very sought-after by collectors. The key factors for any collector are condition, authenticity, and uniqueness. For example, the M11 and MP-40 basically do the same thing, but an MP-40 can sell for five times more than an M11.

2. Shootability:
a. How fun is the gun to shoot?
i. This is a mostly subjective factor. Some shooters prefer subguns to heavy machineguns or assault rifles. Once you determine your category preference, within each category there are performance and other differences between models. For example, an MP-40 is much more smooth and controllable than an M11.
b. How expensive is it to shoot?
i. A 50 cal. machinegun can get very expensive to run. Also, there are a lot of calibers that are now obsolete and using old/expired ammo may malfunction and damage the machinegun.

3. Serviceability:
a. How expensive and/or rare are spare parts?
b. How often do parts break?
i. Some machinegun designs are fundamentally better designed and built than others.
c. How hard is the gun to service?
i. Some guns were designed to be disposable rather than serviced. The resulting design is much more difficult to service. Replacing a barrel on an MP5 is a good example of a difficult-to-service design.
d. Is there a warrantee?
i. Some of the original manufacturers are still in business and will repair, service, and supply parts for their guns.

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what i would like to konw is how "contractors" like whatever name Blackwter goes under now are able to buy brand new machine guns-

anybody understand how private corporations are bypassing the 1986 Firearms Owner’s Protection Act?

i don't know, there must be some "special" laws created for these "contractors" who work for the government

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Glass you can own a machine gun now all kidding aside. I don't know the procedure but I know lots of people in AZ. own them some are my friends. They go out in the desert and shoot them all the time.

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quote:
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Glass you can own a machine gun now all kidding aside. I don't know the procedure but I know lots of people in AZ. own them some are my friends. They go out in the desert and shoot them all the time.

i know and i'm not a gun nut (we setteld that a long time ago right? [Smile] ) i am a nut, but i'm really a glass nut...

i'm just asying that when Missourri writes a law saying they are lega, they are not going agaisnt eh Feds...


on the other hand? Missouri's law also provides for arresting Feds doing their job - that IS a little crazy...(i bet we agree on that too [Smile] )

so, Missourri is making statemnt by passing a law that is probably in violation of the Constittuion BUT if they feel theat they should? then they should... the Supreme Court can hear arguments... i personally would not like to see Feds being arrested for doing theri job... but i do like to see "The peoplle" standing up in proper Gvoernment forums and expressing what they want... i don't like it when the media and even the internt is abuzz with a bunch of opinions stated as facts.

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here is the big sandy shoot for machine guns they brag the biggest in the world


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/07/big_sandy_machi ne_gun_shoot_arizona_s_gun_lovers_and_gun_control.html

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The people at Sandy Shoot arent the ones going out committing crimes. If they were, they would not be able to pass the background checks. Plus, its not their nature.

Taking away their guns because of behaviors in the inner cities and urban cores is ridiculous.

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I don't understand how your last post pertains to anything here on this topic cash. We were simply stating that if a person wants to they can own a machine gun, and they can. Glass posted the procedure and I post the proof. As far as the sandy shoot thank you for your free information and free opinion on owning a machine gun. Booth were worth what I paid for them.

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quote:
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Booth were worth what I paid for them.

exactly. [Wink]

it's amazing how many people overvlaue their own opinions. however, i don't think that is new phenomanea, in fact, my opinion is that it has been this way since we were swinging thru the trees....


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this one really does sound like fiction...

make sure to watch to the very end of the story they add insult to injury-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P6tVHWHiNg

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This should be on national news, thats just awful.

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How long, Catiline, will you abuse our patience?”
[In Catilinam I - Against Catilina, Speech One (63 B.C)]
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Cop Caught On Tape Shooting Unarmed Man Won’t Be Charged With A Crime
By Aviva Shen on November 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm

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Chicago Police Officer Gildardo Sierra will not face any criminal charges for the killing of an unarmed man, Cook County prosecutors announced Tuesday, despite video footage that showed Sierra standing over the victim, Flint Farmer, and shooting him multiple times. Prosecutors concluded that Sierra may have reasonably mistaken Farmer’s cell phone for a gun, and therefore was justified in firing off all 16 rounds in his gun at the unarmed man.

Farmer was Sierra’s third shooting in six months, yet the officer remained on the job. The video showed Farmer lying on the ground bleeding as Sierra shot three bullets into his back. An autopsy later determined those three shots in his back were the fatal wounds.

Sierra eventually admitted that he drank “multiple” beers before he went to work that night. However, the city waited more than five hours after the shooting to give him a breath test, so there was no way to tell if he was impaired during the shooting.

The CPD also ruled Farmer’s shooting justified, though Superintendent Garry McCarthy later told the Chicago Tribune that Sierra should not have been allowed back on the street after the two previous shootings. McCarthy said the department had no way of tracking officers’ shooting records.

In the prosecutors’ defense, putting a cop in prison is remarkably difficult. Police officers are allowed to shoot if they fear for their lives, and proving that use of force was “unreasonable” sets a very high bar. Few police who have used force under suspicious circumstances ever face a judge. A 2007 study by UChicago law professor Craig Futterman found that just 19 of 10,149 complains of excessive force, illegal searches, racial abuse, sexual abuse, and false arrests led to a police suspension of a week or more. Individual police officers are also largely protected from damages claims in civil court through “qualified immunity.”

Though Sierra has gotten off essentially scot-free for his actions, Chicago taxpayers are not so lucky. The city settled a lawsuit over Farmer’s death for $4.1 million in December. Chicago has already paid out about $50 million to settle lawsuits from decades of police torture, and recently paid $8.5 million on behalf of an officer who shot a teenager in the back. Other cities plagued by police misconduct have had to shell out similarly large sums; New York taxpayers paid $185.6 million for one fiscal year of lawsuits against officers, and police misconduct cost Oakland, CA more than $13 million in fiscal year 2011.

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it would be cheaper to fire the thugs than it is to pay the lawsuits they rack up...

the cop that sprayed the UC Davis kids with pepper spray just got a 38,000 dollar workmens comp claim settlemtent... the kids he sprayed supposedly got 30,000$ ea

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