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Posted by glassman on :
 
new bill in NY state:

exact wording:


S 240.33 AGGRAVATED HARASSMENT OF A POLICE OFFICER OR PEACE OFFICER.
A PERSON IS GUILTY OF AGGRAVATED HARASSMENT OF A POLICE OFFICER OR
PEACE OFFICER WHEN, WITH THE INTENT TO HARASS, ANNOY, THREATEN OR ALARM
A PERSON WHOM HE OR SHE KNOWS OR REASONABLY SHOULD KNOW TO BE A POLICE
OFFICER OR PEACE OFFICER ENGAGED IN THE COURSE OF PERFORMING HIS OR HER
OFFICIAL DUTIES, HE OR SHE STRIKES, SHOVES, KICKS OR OTHERWISE SUBJECTS
SUCH PERSON TO PHYSICAL CONTACT.
AGGRAVATED HARASSMENT OF A POLICE OFFICER OR PEACE OFFICER IS A CLASS
E FELONY.
S 2. This act shall take effect on the first of November next succeed-
ing the date on which it shall have become a law.

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2402-2013

note the use of the word annoy...

my dog annoys me when he barks at the neighbors car door slamming... is that the same use of th eword in this law?

the US i was born into is collapsing. annoy a cop and you are a felon? we are going to need quite a few more jails ...

is refusal to comply with an illegal search annoying to cops? you bet it is...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
"terrorism" is working:

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/06/no_surprise_says_nsa_whistleblower_thomas_drake/
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
"terrorism" is working:

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/06/no_surprise_says_nsa_whistleblower_thomas_drake/

it is...

SCOTUS just found that taking DNA sample is not 'invasive' or protected under the 5th too..

and look a the split in the Judges.. it is insane..

The Supreme Court on Monday upheld the police practice of taking DNA samples from people who have been arrested but not convicted of a crime, ruling that it amounts to the 21st century version of fingerprinting.

The ruling was 5-4. Justice Antonin Scalia, a conservative, joined three of the court’s more liberal members — Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan — in dissenting.


the oddest part of all this is that so-called conservative judges are supposed to be against this sor tof thing and so-clled 'liberals" are suppsedly for this type of thing..
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
that law in NY will basically allow cops to search you because you annoyed them by refusing to allow them to search you.. is the irony of this lost on the average Citizen?
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Politics

What You Should Know About The Government’s Massive Domestic Surveillance Program

By Igor Volsky on Jun 6, 2013 at 9:29 am


The Guardian newspaper revealed on Wednesday night that the National Security Administration (NSA) is collecting information about the telephone records of millions of Americans through a warrant obtained in a secret court under authority granted in the Patriot Act. This is the first public confirmation that widespread surveillance of Americans, initiated under President George W. Bush in the aftermath of the World Trade Center attacks, has continued under the Obama administration. The program captures phone numbers and other information, but not the content of the conversations.

Warrantless surveillance began shortly after the September 2001 terrorist attacks. The Bush administration began a secret surveillance program in 2001, asking AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth to turn over communications records to the National Security Agency (NSA). The agency’s goal was “to create a database of every call ever made” within the nation’s borders, the USA Today reported in 2006.

Program fell under court supervision in 2007. Following public uproar, the administration placed the program under the surveillance of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). In 2008, Congress expanded the Act to allow both foreign and domestic surveillance “as long as the intent is to gather foreign intelligence.” The measure also provided “retroactive immunity to the telecom companies that assisted the Bush administration.”

Congress extended the law through 2017. In December of 2012, Congress voted to reauthorize The FISA Amendments Act until 2017. The Act “allows federal agencies to eavesdrop on communications and review email” with a warrant from the secret FISA court. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), a critic of the program, offered an amendment during floor debate that would have required the NSA disclose an estimate of how often information on Americans was collected and require authorities to obtain a warrant if they wish to search for private information in the NSA databases. In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, Wyden, along with Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO), wrote, “We believe most Americans would be stunned to learn the details of how these secret court opinions have interpreted section 215 of the Patriot Act.” Wyden and Udall also noted that the administration promised August 2009 to establish “a regular process for reviewing, redacting and releasing significant opinions” of the court, though “not a single redacted opinion has been released.”

What the Verizon order says. The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court ordered Verizon — which has 121 million customers — to turn over metadata “on an ongoing daily basis” for a three-month period between April 25, 2013 and July 19, 2013. The order does not require Verizon to turn over the content of the calls, but it must share information about the numbers dialed, received and length of call.

What civil libertarians say. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) criticized the administration’s order, noting that “From a civil liberties perspective, the program could hardly be any more alarming.” “It’s a program in which some untold number of innocent people have been put under the constant surveillance of government agents,” Jameel Jaffer, the ACLU’s deputy legal director, said in a statement. Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) also criticized the order. “This bulk data collection is being done under interpretations of the law that have been kept secret from the public,” he said. “Significant FISA court opinions that determine the scope of our laws should be declassified. Can the FBI or the NSA really claim that they need data scooped up on tens of millions of Americans?”

What the Patriot Act says. The order falls under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows the government to make broad demands on telephone carriers for information about calls. Under the law, the government isn’t required to show probable cause, but rather, “there are reasonable grounds to believe” that the tangible things sought are “relevant to an authorized investigation . . . to obtain foreign intelligence information. . . or to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities.” An expert told the Washington Post that the order “appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006.” The order is apparently “reissued routinely every 90 days and that it is not related to any particular investigation by the FBI or any other agency.”

How the government is responding. The White House responded to the Guardian story by insisting that the data is a “critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats to the United States.” “It allows counter terrorism personnel to discover whether known or suspected terrorists have been in contact with other persons who may be engaged in terrorist activities, particularly people located inside the United States,” an official said. Officials say they will investigate the source of the leak to the Guardian.


Update


During a press conference, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) said that the order the Guardian obtained is “the exact three-month renewal” of program underway for the past seven years. “It’s called protecting America,” she said. Asked if other phone companies are giving similar data to NSA, the senators said, “We can’t answer that.”


Update
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Lets face it we are going to be in for a rough ride soon . Just heard on the news this morning that Detroit is going bankrupt not maybe it is going to happen soon. And they are talking about stripping the poor of every thing. And also all the retired city workers and currently employed city workers get ready for massive cuts. I say get ready for a lot of civil disobedience.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Ray still blaming everything on Bush. Obama is just like Bush, but Ray doesnt see that. He has had the kool aid and he likes it.


Did some of us not tell this board that Obama would be like this? Remember in 2007-2008 all that change, hope, transparency, and Obama said he would go after government agencies who were spying on people? Now he is doing it twice the size of Bush.

Ray you are just flat out an idiot for believing all this crap this admin is feeding you.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i don't think it's twice as much as under Bush cashcow..
Obama has nothing to do with th law i started this thread with..

the IRS thing? that's not tied to Obama yet..

most of this was going n under Bush too. it would be worse under Clinton, and seeing as how Romney was a banker? i beleive we can assume it would even worse under him...

McCain? have you listened to his rantings lately? he's almost as anti-gun as ray and Obama are..


it's all these 'wars' that aren't wars... the media feeds this monster then acts like they are doing us a favor when they complain ...
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
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IRS Politicization Comes In Many Forms

Revelations that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) — in the run-up to last year's presidential election — purposefully delayed processing applications for tax-exempt status from politically conservative groups, pried unnecessarily into their internal affairs and singled out Tea Party activists and donors for tax audits has produced a firestorm of righteous indignation.

The furor is understandable given the popular view that the IRS is a neutral nonpartisan agency with no particular agenda other than collecting taxes.

But nothing could be further from the truth.

As Michael Scherer noted recently in Time magazine, the IRS has been used frequently since World War II to harass and intimidate political organizations.

Under President John F. Kennedy, for example, the IRS had a program known as the "Ideological Organizations Project," which was used to investigate right-wing groups.

President Richard Nixon famously compiled his "enemies list," using the IRS to microscopically examine the tax returns of mainly left-wing antiwar groups and activists.

According to a 1997 book, "Unbridled Power: Inside the Political Culture of the IRS," a super-secret "Special Services Staff" created within the IRS in response to Nixon's directive eventually targeted 11,000 private individuals and organizations for politically inspired tax audits.

The IRS also has been known to go easy on friends of the White House and powerful members of Congress. According to the same book, the head of the IRS's Chicago office intervened in 1979 to prevent local agents from auditing the tax return of a staffer working for then-Rep. Frank Annunzio.

In a 2001 peer-reviewed article I wrote — with Michael Reksulak of Georgia Southern University and Marilyn Young of Lipscomb University — for the journal Economics & Politics, we found a statistically significant pattern of abuse.

First, we assembled a dataset consisting of blind information (meaning we had no access to names, Social Security numbers or any personal information) on all individual income tax returns filed from 1992 through 1997 across the IRS's 33 geographically defined districts.

Our examination of the data showed a disturbing pattern. In addition to the usual criteria the IRS uses to screen returns for closer attention, such as individuals reporting income from self-employment or claiming unusually large deductions or tax credits, the data showed that tax returns were significantly less likely to be audited if the taxpayer lived in a district that was politically important to the sitting president or was represented by a member of Congress serving on a committee with IRS oversight responsibility.

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Posted by raybond on :
 
posted by glassman

McCain? have you listened to his rantings lately? he's almost as anti-gun as ray and Obama are..
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McCain because he wants background checks he is anti gun?

You getting a little paranoid glass or maybe you have a criminal past or a commercial reason for not wanting background checks.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
posted by cash cow

Ray you are just flat out an idiot for believing all this crap this admin is feeding you.

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Romney lost whiner
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
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Posted by glassman on :
 
OH, and IMO? the IRS thing was "payback" for the ACORN thing...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
posted by glassman

McCain? have you listened to his rantings lately? he's almost as anti-gun as ray and Obama are..
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McCain because he wants background checks he is anti gun?

You getting a little paranoid glass or maybe you have a criminal past or a commercial reason for not wanting background checks.

lighten up ray... i was just messing with you.. sheesh guys, it may be the end of the world, but i am still going to try to enjoy as much of it as i can [Wink]

besides? i m right arne't i? you and Mccain do agree, right?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
as to the NSA? they've been downloading all our chit for years... this isn't even news.

the only thing that has changed is how they act on it.

in th epast? it was not legally allowed as evidence... now? i dunno, since we don't even know what the court is doing anymore, it's all hush hush...

thte internet has always been an open window from you and to you.. if you want privacy? unplug your internet connections...
this stuff the Chinese have stolen form US? i can't beleive these fools put it all on servers to begin with.... there is no such thing as truly secure internet connection. it doesn't exist, and NEVER has.. antyhign a human can buld? a hman can decosntruct, and the Chin dynasty has always been a great deconstructor-
they will probably be the hardware suppliers to NSA in the near future anyway, IF they already aren't... [BadOne]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
apparently DHS and police and even school districts are running "simulations" of events all over thecoutnry and all the time now...

it was only a few weeks ago that the incdent where fake gunmen took teachers by surpirse in Oregon, and now there is this:

DETROIT (WJBK) -

An FBI agent almost shot a Detroit cop on Wednesday at a gas station while filling up. It wasn't the agent or the cop's fault. It was the cop's bosses, who came up with the lame brain idea to simulate a purse snatching and then invite a TV crew to film your reaction Detroit. The immediate supervisor of these cops had no idea this was happening until they called him.

"The event takes place. The officer takes the purse, runs around the gas station. As he's running, an off-duty FBI agent is pumping gas. He witnesses the whole thing. He gives chase. He pulls his weapon, and as he turns the corner around the gas station, he's stopped by another officer, who identifies herself as a police officer and don't shoot, don't shoot, this is a scenario," said Inspector Shawn Gargalino with the Detroit Police Department.


http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/22527213/leduff-detroit-polices-simulated-purs e-snatching-goes-awry#.UbHfTayfeNM.facebook#ixzz2VZ7po6sz

what are all these people thinking? DHS is conducting much larger drills involving dozens and even hundreds of law enforcement almost daily all over the country in public places. what are we getting ready for again?
 
Posted by Bob Frey on :
 
http://www.allstocks.com/html/us_constitution.html

Read the US Constitution
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Ray still blaming everything on Bush. Obama is just like Bush, but Ray doesnt see that. He has had the kool aid and he likes it.


Did some of us not tell this board that Obama would be like this? Remember in 2007-2008 all that change, hope, transparency, and Obama said he would go after government agencies who were spying on people? Now he is doing it twice the size of Bush.

Ray you are just flat out an idiot for believing all this crap this admin is feeding you.

Secretly it's killing Liberals to have Obama in office...remember the quote be careful what you wish for, well they got it and now have to constantly defend policies everyone knows they hate....ever notice the tactic of never addressing the policy just attacking anyone who dare question the supreme ruler?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
that's the 'problem" with having a President. They all drink the koolaid (as cashcow puts it), it's in the job description.

just remember that ten percent of all the presidents have been killed in office.

Tolkein was right, the ring of power corrupts, and noone is immune. Thats why we set this coutnry up withthree branches of govenrmnt that are SUPPOSED to be competing with other for power over each other...

all these "wars" give each group their rally cry to take and hold more power tho.... we have not actually declared war officially since WW2, but we have been in about ten "conflcits" and a war on drugs and a war on terror since then... that's how the koolaid gets drunken...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it is insteresting that the two longest "conflicts" we've been in are the two places where drugs rule the economics- the Nam and Afghanistan both were/are about opium- the Taliban executed opium traffickers on the spot when they were in charge... think about it..
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
"Do you remember how enthusiastic people were about having a president who once taught constitutional law? I guess we’ve learned a lesson. "
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
it is insteresting that the two longest "conflicts" we've been in are the two places where drugs rule the economics- the Nam and Afghanistan both were/are about opium- the Taliban executed opium traffickers on the spot when they were in charge... think about it..

108000 Private Contractors Are in Afghanistan and We Have No Idea What Theyre Doing

Two recently released reports, one by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) and one by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), show that not only is the number of private contractors in Afghanistan increasing, but the Pentagon is also unable to tell what they are even doing there. Citing the reports, David Francis of the Fiscal Times points out that there are now 108,000 private contractors in Afghanistan (over 30,000 of whom are Americans), far more than the 65,700 U.S. troops still there,and the number was counted at 110,404 last month. That amounts to 1.6 contractors, roughly 18,000 of which are private security contractors, for every American soldier.

Although the U.S. presence in Afghanistan is ostensibly winding down towards an eventual handover to Afghan security forces, as Francis argues, "the increase in the contractors to troop ratio is yet another indication that although the vast majority of troops are leaving Afghanistan, a private army will remain in the country for years."

http://www.policymic.com/articles/46621/108-000-private-contractors-are-in-afgha nistan-and-we-have-no-idea-what-they-re-doing

watch this one it's prolly not what you think;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
if you like that one? you'll love this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBecM3CQVD8
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
IRS Staff Undermine GOP Claims That White House Directed Targeting Of Conservative Groups, Top Democrat Says

By Igor Volsky on Jun 9, 2013 at 9:58 am


Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) — the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee — pledged to release transcripts of interviews with Internal Revenue Service (IRS) officials that Republicans insist demonstrate that the agency’s targeting of conservative groups applying for 501(c)(4) status was directed by the Obama administration.

Cummings made the remarks on CNN’s State of the Union, a week after Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) appeared on the program and insinuated that the White House directed IRS agents to single out tea party and patriot groups for additional scrutiny. Issa has refused to provide evidence that substantiate that claim.

“I wrote Chairman Issa on Thursday and I wrote to him this morning. I want those transcripts to be released,” Cummings said. “I’m willing to come on your show next week with the chairman with the transcripts if he agrees to do that. If he doesn’t, I’ll release them by the end of the week.”

Cummings insisted that the interviews will prove that “the White House was not involved in this,” pointing out that the Cincinnati IRS manager of the screening group, a career veteran at the agency who identified himself as Republican, told investigators that Washington did not direct the targeting. “I do not believe that the screening of these cases had anything to do other than consistency and identifying issues that needed to have further development,” the individual told investigators according to portion of the transcripts released by the Democratic staff on the House Oversight Committee.

Rather, the scrutiny began in 2010, after an IRS screener identified a tea party group applying for nonprofit status as “high profile” and asked his boss, the conservative Republican, for additional guidance. That individual, Cummings said, sent the case to the Washington technical office so that it can be treated consistently.

“Based upon everything I’ve seen the case is solved,” Cummings said. “And if it were me, I would wrap this case up and move on to be frank with you.”

Close
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
while all the "liberals" (not a definition just a label) complain about individual violence? this is the show the US Govt is puttin' on in downtown LA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TlY_b4VEnY

blished on Jun 10, 2013

LOS ANGELES, CA -- An extravagant terror drill was demonstrated in front of 1,800 attendees of the National Homeland Security Association's conference. Guests from around the world came to marvel at the use of militarized law enforcement.

Gunfire echoed through downtown Los Angeles, bombs exploded, and helicopters swooped low among office towers in a demonstrated response to a weapon-of-mass-destruction threat.

The late-morning demonstration began with an explosion of flash grenades, officers firing blank ammunition at pretend suspects, and police rappelling out of a county Sheriff's Department helicopter and onto a hotel bridge on Figueroa Street.

The drill took place on Thursday, June 6, 2013. The demonstration was performed by the Los Angeles Police Department and SWAT team, and funded by the federal government through grants designed to militarize local police departments.




seriously, you think this promotes good mental health?
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
U.S. State Department Cover-Ups Range From Prostitution Charges to Drug Rings

Uncovered documents show the U.S. State Department may have covered up allegations of illegal behavior ranging from sexual assaults to an underground drug ring.

CBS News reports that is has unearthed documents from the Diplomatic Security Service (DSS), an internal watchdog agency, that implicate the State Department in a series of misconducts worldwide.

The memo, reported by CBS News’ John Miller, cited eight specific examples, including allegations that a State Department security official in Beirut “engaged in sexual assaults” with foreign nationals hired as embassy guards and the charge and that members of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s security detail “engaged prostitutes while on official trips in foreign countries” — a problem the report says was “endemic.”

Former State Department internal investigator Aurelia Fedenisn told CBS News, “We also uncovered several allegations of criminal wrongdoing in cases, some of which never became cases.”

In one such cover-up, investigators were told to stop probing the case of a U.S. ambassador who was suspected of patronizing prostitutes in a public park. The memo states that the ambassador was permitted to return to his post despite having, “routinely ditched…his protective security detail” in order to “solicit sexual favors from prostitutes.”


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/10/cbs-news-u-s-state-department-cover-up s-range-from-prostitution-charges-to-drug-rings/
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
“routinely ditched…his protective security detail” in order to “solicit sexual favors from prostitutes.”

i wonder cashcow- as you have been complaining so loudly about the Amabssador killed last year and the supposed cover-up- did it ever occur to you that this was the real reason he was not in his emabssy with the Marines protecting him? It occured to me immediatley thathe may have been on a tryst that nobdy wanted to admit to. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and guessed that he was meeting with a covert agent or operative, but it may have been as simple as meeting with a pro...

one other thing? i was an enlisted int he Navy. none of this is the least bit surprising or shocking or even unusual based on my experinces. it ain't right, but it ain't newsworhty- most every base i was ever at had woorking women waiting right outside the gates, even the ones int eh US..
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Ur tax dollars at work in Ohio,the cops in Ohio just got 'em a new toy and htey decided to make a commercial about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6foDFXs1uyU

why do the cops all lool soldiers now? is there soemthing thye aren't telling us?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it's like the streets are one big movie set now to some of these people... but the bullets are real:

Cleveland punishes 12 officers in deadly chase

Cleveland's police chief said one supervisor was fired, two were demoted and nine were suspended for their roles in a November chase in which officers fired 137 shots and killed a fleeing driver and his passenger.

CLEVELAND — Cleveland police fired a sergeant and meted out demotions and suspensions Tuesday for a car chase last year that involved five dozen cruisers, 137 rounds of ammunition fired by 13 officers, and the death of two people who, it turned out, were probably unarmed.

A captain and lieutenant were demoted, and nine sergeants got suspensions ranging from one day to 30 days. They and the fired sergeant will appeal their punishment, according to Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 8, which represents police supervisors.

Dozens of cruisers became involved in the chase without permission from superiors and with little direction, according to a state report released earlier in the year. The episode damaged the department's relationship with residents and must be repaired, Chief Michael McGrath said at a news conference Tuesday.

"That means we have to work a little harder on our end," he said.


http://news.msn.com/us/cleveland-punishes-12-officers-in-deadly-chase

the amazing part of this is "probably unarmed"...

i can't belive nobody even had a drop peice to "arm them" after the fact....
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
it's like the streets are one big movie set now to some of these people... but the bullets are real:

Cleveland punishes 12 officers in deadly chase

Cleveland's police chief said one supervisor was fired, two were demoted and nine were suspended for their roles in a November chase in which officers fired 137 shots and killed a fleeing driver and his passenger.

CLEVELAND — Cleveland police fired a sergeant and meted out demotions and suspensions Tuesday for a car chase last year that involved five dozen cruisers, 137 rounds of ammunition fired by 13 officers, and the death of two people who, it turned out, were probably unarmed.

A captain and lieutenant were demoted, and nine sergeants got suspensions ranging from one day to 30 days. They and the fired sergeant will appeal their punishment, according to Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 8, which represents police supervisors.

Dozens of cruisers became involved in the chase without permission from superiors and with little direction, according to a state report released earlier in the year. The episode damaged the department's relationship with residents and must be repaired, Chief Michael McGrath said at a news conference Tuesday.

"That means we have to work a little harder on our end," he said.


http://news.msn.com/us/cleveland-punishes-12-officers-in-deadly-chase

the amazing part of this is "probably unarmed"...

i can't belive nobody even had a drop peice to "arm them" after the fact....

Oh the ol drop piece trick. Gotta wonder how many times that has been used and never questioned.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Posted: 06/14/2013
Last Updated: 7 hours ago


SAN DIEGO - A police mistake turned a lunch date into a nightmare for a local couple, and a judge ruled officers illegally detained them.

"I was hurt. I was confused. I didn't know what was going on," said Dante Harrell.

For Harrell, that March day in 2010 began as a day of relaxation. He, his fiancee Shannon Robinson and a friend were headed to brunch in City Heights.

After they pulled into the restaurant, a San Diego police patrol car, right behind them, parked and blocked a potential exit.

Harrell said one of the officers approached them, admitted to typing in the wrong letter during a routine license plate check, but wanted to check them out anyway.

Harrell said after repeated questioning and about 15 minutes of waiting, he asked Robinson to call 911 to ask for a supervisor because something didn't feel right.

He said he heard one officer says this: "He says, 'They're on the phone with our supervisor. Isn't that childish? I'm about to OC them."

"OC" is another word for pepper spray.

Harrell said he held on to his fiancee as he was pepper sprayed and then tasered repeatedly, before he and Robinson were dragged out of the car.

In a civil ruling, a judge decided the couple was illegally detained and Robinson was unlawfully arrested.

Attorney Julia Yoo, who represents Harrell and Robinson, said, "They didn't have a right to continue that stop. Once you realize you've made a mistake and pulled over innocent people, you don't have a right to further interrogate them. It's unconstitutional. This needs to be stopped, because it could happen to anybody."

 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Glass, this will get you're Jiffy hat a poppin!

June 19th, 2013
02:10 PM ET
FBI uses drones in U.S., says Mueller
By Carol Cratty

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged the law enforcement agency uses drone aircraft in the United States for surveillance in certain difficult cases.

Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday that drones are used by the FBI in a "very, very minimal way and very seldom."

He did not say how many drones the FBI has or how often they have been used.

A federal law enforcement official said the aircraft have been used for surveillance in hostage situations and also when suspects have taken refuge behind barricades.

"We use it sparingly in dangerous situations where the risk to agents lives are at stake," the official told CNN.

Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican, asked Mueller whether the FBI had guidelines for using drones that would consider the "privacy impact on American citizens."

Mueller replied the agency was in the initial stages of developing them.

"I will tell you that our footprint is very small," he said.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein expressed concern over drone use domestically.

"I think the greatest threat to the privacy of Americans is the drone and the use of the drone, and the very few regulations that are on it today and the booming industry of commercial drones," the California Democrat said.

Mueller said he would need to check on the bureau's policy for retaining images from drones and report back to the panel.

"It is very narrowly focused on particularized cases and particularized needs and particularized cases," said Mueller. "And that is the principal privacy limitations we have."

Members of Congress and privacy advocates have pressed for regulations on the use of drones.

Targeting Americans with lethal force in counterterror operations overseas was a controversy that flared publicly during confirmation hearings for CIA Director John Brennan earlier this year.

Senators aggressively sought the administration's legal reasoning for those operations.

Some lawmakers were critical of the practice and questions were raised about whether drones might ever be used against U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism who were on American soil.

Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, staged a filibuster in March over the issue.

Attorney General Eric Holder told Paul in a letter that said in part, "the U.S. government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so."


http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/19/fbi-uses-drones-in-u-s-says-mueller/?hp t=hp_t2
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
why would i care? i been working on some drone technology for awhile myself... but i can't tell ya what it is other than it does involve glass.... you know, patent secrets and all that [Wink]

i rarely agree with Feinstein;
Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein expressed concern over drone use domestically.

as far as i am concerened? if you can see it from a plane? what makes it different from a drone?
i got crop dusters flying over my place from 6AM on whenever the weather allows, cuz they almost alwys have soemthing that needs spraying and their arifeild is less than mile from me...
 
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drone strikes in the usa? now that would be aproblem dontcha think?

as amatter of fact if you don;t have a problem with that? you are unAmerican [Wink]

that might be a real "trigger" for significant social unrest...

is my hat shiny enough forya now?

Over all, there are now more people under “correctional supervision” in America—more than six million—than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height. That city of the confined and the controlled, Lockuptown, is now the second largest in the United States.
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopn ik
 
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this should make you completely forget any notions that am the least bit paranoid pagan;

Skynet rising: Google acquires 512-qubit quantum computer; NSA surveillance to be turned over to AI machines

Thursday, June 20, 2013
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...)
Tags: Skynet, quantum computing, D-Wave Systems


(NaturalNews) Most people don't know about the existence of quantum computers. Almost no one understands how they work, but theories include bizarre-sounding explanations like, "they reach into alternate universes to derive the correct answers to highly complex computational problems."

Quantum computers are not made of simple transistors and logic gates like the CPU on your PC. They don't even function in ways that seem rational to a typical computing engineer. Almost magically, quantum computers take logarithmic problems and transform them into "flat" computations whose answers seem to appear from an alternate dimension.

For example, a mathematical problem that might have 2 to the power of n possible solutions -- where n is a large number like 1024 -- might take a traditional computer longer than the age of the universe to solve. A quantum computer, on the other hand, might solve the same problem in mere minutes because it quite literally operates across multiple dimensions simultaneously.

The ultimate code breakers
If you know anything about encryption, you probably also realize that quantum computers are the secret KEY to unlocking all encrypted files. As I wrote about last year here on Natural News, once quantum computers go into widespread use by the NSA, the CIA, Google, etc., there will be no more secrets kept from the government. All your files -- even encrypted files -- will be easily opened and read.

Until now, most people believed this day was far away. Quantum computing is an "impractical pipe dream," we've been told by scowling scientists and "flat Earth" computer engineers. "It's not possible to build a 512-qubit quantum computer that actually works," they insisted.

Don't tell that to Eric Ladizinsky, co-founder and chief scientist of a company called D-Wave. Because Ladizinsky's team has already built a 512-qubit quantum computer. And they're already selling them to wealthy corporations, too.

DARPS, Northrup Grumman and Goldman Sachs
In case you're wondering where Ladizinsky came from, he's a former employee of Northrup Grumman Space Technology (yes, a weapons manufacturer) where he ran a multi-million-dollar quantum computing research project for none other than DARPA -- the same group working on AI-driven armed assault vehicles and battlefield robots to replace human soldiers. DARPA is the group behind the creepy "Legged Squad Support System" you can see in the following video:


http://www.naturalnews.com/040859_Skynet_quantum_computing_D-Wave_Systems.html#i xzz2Wmerc88m

on the other end of this? the human brain is ALSO a Quantum computer. all molecuals and atoms exhcange light (quanta of light actually) within themselves at all times... you never see it because they don't tranmsi tht elight until you add anothe quanta of light to them, whihc they then emit to your eye... ignore the bizzare mutli-dimensioanl stuff. it's simply light quanta echange (commonly misrepresented as photons) photons DO NOT EXIST [Wink]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this should make you completely forget any notions that am the least bit paranoid pagan;

Skynet rising: Google acquires 512-qubit quantum computer; NSA surveillance to be turned over to AI machines

Thursday, June 20, 2013
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...)
Tags: Skynet, quantum computing, D-Wave Systems


(NaturalNews) Most people don't know about the existence of quantum computers. Almost no one understands how they work, but theories include bizarre-sounding explanations like, "they reach into alternate universes to derive the correct answers to highly complex computational problems."

Quantum computers are not made of simple transistors and logic gates like the CPU on your PC. They don't even function in ways that seem rational to a typical computing engineer. Almost magically, quantum computers take logarithmic problems and transform them into "flat" computations whose answers seem to appear from an alternate dimension.

For example, a mathematical problem that might have 2 to the power of n possible solutions -- where n is a large number like 1024 -- might take a traditional computer longer than the age of the universe to solve. A quantum computer, on the other hand, might solve the same problem in mere minutes because it quite literally operates across multiple dimensions simultaneously.

The ultimate code breakers
If you know anything about encryption, you probably also realize that quantum computers are the secret KEY to unlocking all encrypted files. As I wrote about last year here on Natural News, once quantum computers go into widespread use by the NSA, the CIA, Google, etc., there will be no more secrets kept from the government. All your files -- even encrypted files -- will be easily opened and read.

Until now, most people believed this day was far away. Quantum computing is an "impractical pipe dream," we've been told by scowling scientists and "flat Earth" computer engineers. "It's not possible to build a 512-qubit quantum computer that actually works," they insisted.

Don't tell that to Eric Ladizinsky, co-founder and chief scientist of a company called D-Wave. Because Ladizinsky's team has already built a 512-qubit quantum computer. And they're already selling them to wealthy corporations, too.

DARPS, Northrup Grumman and Goldman Sachs
In case you're wondering where Ladizinsky came from, he's a former employee of Northrup Grumman Space Technology (yes, a weapons manufacturer) where he ran a multi-million-dollar quantum computing research project for none other than DARPA -- the same group working on AI-driven armed assault vehicles and battlefield robots to replace human soldiers. DARPA is the group behind the creepy "Legged Squad Support System" you can see in the following video:


http://www.naturalnews.com/040859_Skynet_quantum_computing_D-Wave_Systems.html#i xzz2Wmerc88m

on the other end of this? the human brain is ALSO a Quantum computer. all molecuals and atoms exhcange light (quanta of light actually) within themselves at all times... you never see it because they don't tranmsi tht elight until you add anothe quanta of light to them, whihc they then emit to your eye... ignore the bizzare mutli-dimensioanl stuff. it's simply light quanta echange (commonly misrepresented as photons) photons DO NOT EXIST [Wink]

Oh I see what you did gasman. Posting an article about something you no zip about as usual. Glassblowers are so crazy sometimes. How about you read some other articles. There are numerous approaches to quantum computers. But...you grasp the first article you see as usual. Maybe you should the PHD of a wife yours do your Web searches. Because you are failiing miserably with your attempts.
 
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i don't understand that photons are not matter? nor do they ever assume the property of matter? OK, you are qulaified to make that claim, i'm sure...

i don't get his from internet articles. i get this from reading peer reviewed papers...

Einstein actually wrote a paper on this if you look? you can find it too... he even won his Nobel prize for this work and NOT realitivty...
but since you don't beleive anthing you read anywhere (or is it just anything that i read anywhere) i won't bother posting it or link for you...

photons are not distinguishable from space itself... they MUST have mass tho because E=MC2. energy is defined by mass and and quanta of light have energy.... the problem Einstien had was from Neihls Bhor... they screwed up his whole scheme with theirs. But Eisnstein was right, he just didn't have the missing piece yet... Hubbel found that later, but it has been mistaken for the big bang... space itself gives the mass needed to make photons APPEAR to have mess, but the photon is not the mass (this is known fact), therefore it does not exist. it is only a peice of space with a completely differnt energy level than space that is not propogating light.. Eisntein was saying this whn he said that gravity bends space(-time)- hubbel is th eone who made the discovery but he minsterpreted it.. now they are looking for why the universe is expanding when it really is not even porven to be expanding...
physicist have ot plug in this fudge factor they call the gravitational cosntant to make the numebrs work, and too many of them do not stop and ask why they have to "fudge" on a good theroy.. that's cuz its really a bad theory [Wink]
can't 'splain it any more simply than that... if you don't get it? don't embarrass yourself again by saying i don;t get it. that's large portion of why the world we live int day is so screwed up..
 
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in afew years? there will be proof that gravity (gravitational waves) are faster than the speed of light... also that dark matter anddark energy are space itefl

then you will know that i was not BS'ing you here today. until then? you'll just have to guess..

i will offer one specualtion of my very own here to you.. gravity will be shown to be "instantaneous" for all intents and purposes... it proll yisn't really instnataneous, but that will only matter when the whole of scince goes well beyond everything we do know now...

Quantum Coupling is an effect in quantum mechanics in which two or more quantum systems are bound such that a change in one of the quantum states in one of the systems will cause an instantaneous change in all of the bound systems. It is a state similar to quantum entanglement but whereas quantum entanglement can take place over long distances quantum coupling is restricted to quantum scales.
 
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anybody besides me know there's no anonymity in this? no matter what they try to tell you?

CNN) -- The roadblocks went up on a Friday at several points in two Alabama towns, about 40 miles on either side of Birmingham.

For the next two days, off-duty sheriff's deputies in St. Clair County, to the east, and Bibb County, to the southwest, flagged down motorists and steered them toward federal highway safety researchers. The researchers asked them a few questions about drinking and drug use and asked them for breath, saliva and blood samples -- offering them $10 for saliva and $50 to give blood.

It's not just in Alabama. The roadblocks are part of a national study led by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is trying to determine how many drivers are on the road with drugs or alcohol in their systems. Similar roadblocks will be erected in dozens of communities across the nation this year, according to the agency.

It's been going on for decades. Previous surveys date to the 1970s. The last one was run in 2007, and it included the collection of blood and saliva samples without apparent controversy, sheriff's spokesmen in both Alabama counties said.

But this time, it's happening as the Obama administration struggles to explain revelations that U.S. spy organizations have been tracking phone and Internet traffic. Against that backdrop, the NHTSA-backed roadblocks have led to complaints in Alabama about an intrusive federal government.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/us/drug-survey-roadblocks/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

i'm curious pagan? is this just more BS? it's not fox or some offthewall intenrt "journalist" ...

BTW? they won't need to stop anybody in prolly about 5 years...
they'll collect the data from you as you DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD without even stopping or asking..

how do i know this you ask? quantum mechanics, that's how. a rapidly alternating laser beam tuned to the specific frequencies of drug metabolites on YOUR SKIN will be able to read it off in a nanosecond even if you are going 75 MPH...

freaky huh?are you ready for morrymorryland?
 
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comeon pagan... you were supposed to yell at me and tell it's about the computer- not the quantumness... it's BS... right? it can't even outperform your cellphone [Wall Bang]
 
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i guess the Washington Times is wearing tin foil too huh Pagan?


Big Brother alert: Cameras in the cable box to monitor TV viewers
It hardly gets more Orwellian than this. New technology would allow cable companies to peer directly into television watchers’ homes and monitor viewing habits and reactions to product advertisements.

The technology would come via the cable box, and at least one lawmaker on Capitol Hill is standing in opposition.

Mass. Democratic Rep. Michael Capuano has introduced a bill, the We Are Watching You Act, to prohibit the technology on boxes and collection of information absent consumer permission. The bill would also require companies that do use the data to show “we are watching you” messages on the screen and to explain just what kinds of information is being captured and for what reasons, AdWeek reported.

The technology includes cameras and microphones that are installed on DVRs or cable boxes and analyzes viewers’ responses, behaviors and statements to various ads — and then provides advertisements that are targeted to the particular household.

Specifically, the technology can monitor sleeping, eating, exercising, reading and more, AdWeek reported.

“This may sound preposterous, but it’s neither a joke nor an exaggeration,” said Mr. Capuano in a statement, AdWeek reported. “These DVRs would essentially observe consumers as they watch television as a way to super-target ads. It is an incredible invasion of privacy.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/17/big-brother-alert-cameras-cable- box-monitor-tv-vie/#ixzz2WoldxPoe


if you put some tape over your PC and laptop cameras you can rest easy that htey aren't being remotely used to watch you while you watch your internet.. or not if you are an exhibitionist [Smile]
 
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now THIS really is tin foil hat stuff...


Wouldn't many different extraterrestrials having different positive and negative intentions/agendas/needs (all of which may serve us to rise to a higher level of awareness in a limited or more complete way) for us and for planet Earth have to obey advanced common rules not to interfere with each other while having each of their "rights" respected and their "vital needs" a chance to be satisfied? If they share a technology that can modify space-time what could their common rules of engagement be not to spoil each other's plans and agendas? How can we begin to modify our primitive sense of "good" and "evil"?


None would be allowed to simply "invade" (that would be too close to our physicalist standards) but would have to work as a group in some activities and to supervise each other. We need to understand that "they" aren't simply physical like us or mental-spiritual but that they combine these always correlated aspects in a way that generates effects similar to what Jung and Pauli referred to when considering the "IMAGINAL" realm. It's a TRANSDIMENSIONAL interaction between elements that interact more for them and less for us.

I think that -upon coming in contact with our particular physical reality- extraterrestrials equally acquire internal limitations in relation to each other and to us and must therefore follow a careful kind of engagement with Humanity and this would impinge upon what we would consider their ethics. Many of us have asked are extraterrestrials benevolent or malevolent? Are some benevolent and some malevolentor are we only imposing our human standards onto them?


http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fperuexopolitics.blogspot.com%2F2013 %2F06%2Fethics-of-transdimensional_3172.html&h=VAQGRG7_9
 
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tin foil hat back off:
Solar cell, heal thyself
New self-assembling photovoltaic technology can keep repairing itself to avoid any loss in performance.
David L. Chandler, MIT News Office
Strano and his team, supported by grants from the MIT Energy Initiative and the Eni Solar Frontiers Center at MIT, produced synthetic molecules called phospholipids that form disks; these disks provide structural support for other molecules that actually respond to light, in structures called reaction centers, which release electrons when struck by particles of light. The disks, carrying the reaction centers, are in a solution where they attach themselves spontaneously to carbon nanotubes — wire-like hollow tubes of carbon atoms that are a few billionths of a meter thick yet stronger than steel and capable of conducting electricity a thousand times better than copper. The nanotubes hold the phospholipid disks in a uniform alignment so that the reaction centers can all be exposed to sunlight at once, and they also act as wires to collect and channel the flow of electrons knocked loose by the reactive molecules.

The system Strano’s team produced is made up of seven different compounds, including the carbon nanotubes, the phospholipids, and the proteins that make up the reaction centers, which under the right conditions spontaneously assemble themselves into a light-harvesting structure that produces an electric current.


http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/self-healing-solar.html

now we have a real practical use for carbon nanotubes....

i just wish the guy ahdn't said "particles of light"
 
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Isn't this the very definition of a police state?


As the number of stop-and-frisk encounters initiated by the NYPD grew from about 100,000 in Michael Bloomberg’s first year as mayor to almost 700,000 in 2011, the share of stops yielding guns fell from 0.38 percent to 0.033 percent. Bloomberg says that trend demonstrates that program is working, because “the whole idea…is not to catch people with guns; it’s to prevent people from carrying guns.”

i believe so...

http://reason.com/archives/2013/06/24/when-policing-becomes-harassment
 
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OK, despite pagans obvious displeasure or whatever it is he expresses towards me about my wife? i do a couple hundred hours a year literature searches work for her work. I am usually looking at biological control agents for insects (yeah- pagan that's the type of patents that have been stolen and you add can three more to teh list now) the only way we can keep them is not to put them into the online computer any way

last night i was looking at poison dart frog poisons- it's interesting because poison dart frog MAY(i repeat) MAY not even produce their own toxins...
they MAY sequester them from the insects they eat, hich makes sense since the insects develop toxins for hteir own self defense...

i got sleepy ans left the page open that i was on when i went to bed and when i came back this morning, the page had self-refreshed somehow to a cookie 'splanation page... there's only me and the dog hare last night so unless my 135 pound lion hound changed the page? it changed itself and the page was explaining to me how there's about 50 doffernt cookies associated with my serch in this website that will prepare and sell me
Epibatidine;
Biological Activity
Very potent nicotinic agonist (Ki values are 0.02 and 233 nM for α4β2 and α7 nicotinic receptors respectively). Analgesic.
nicotine is very effective plant based insecticide... so you can see why i might be searching for analogs (this one is not an analog tho) and the ways that other biological entities manipulate them. since my wife takes one gen form one biological entity and puts into another (GMO)ther emay be a way to have yeast produce this poison dart frog's secretions by the gallon to use as an insecticide... follow my logic chain?

the dozens of cookies that i was notified about are one way our and lots of other peoples work gets stolen- they have to actually ID you as a worth collecting data on first, and that's easy when you publish papers adn presnet at internatioanl conferences..

the "police state' is actaully light years behind the "corporate state' [Wink] ever notice how facebook shows you ads form stuff you looked at when you were not even on facebook? it never bothered me.. but the dummmies show me stuff AFTER i have already oredered it soemewhere else all the time, even on ebay.. you know what would really bother me? if they showed it me before i put it into google [Big Grin]
 
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"stupid white man; plants only house for bugs"

Sean Connery, Movie, Medicine Man:

the medicine scolding male chauvinist sean connery for looking at plants for "the cure" the medicin man had shown him- when the ants were what carried "the cure"
 
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Treasury: IRS targeted 292 Tea Party groups, just 6 progressive groups

http://washingtonexaminer.com/treasury-irs-targeted-292-tea-party-groups-just-6- progressive-groups/article/2532456

This administration is corrupt as ever
 
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Ray would be a spy for the brits back then, or back them.


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Police Are Using License Plate Readers To Track Your Car’s Movements

By Nicole Flatow on Jun 27, 2013 at 3:00 pm


Credit: Associated Press
Around the country, police are adopting the widespread use of automatic license plate readers, and storing photos with time and location records in databases that are not subject to judicial oversight. In California, the Center for Investigative Reporting reveals that this data collection is widespread, with multiple counties creating coordinated databases that enable more thorough police location tracking of everyone, regardless of whether they are suspected of a crime.

A computer security consultant who spoke with CIR requested records of his own police scans several years ago, and found that his county police had logged this information once a week on average. One photo shows him and his daughters in their driveway.

Expansion and funding of this collection has been led by anti-terrorist agencies. Last year in California, for example, a law enforcement intelligence-sharing center set up after 9/11 signed a $340,000 agreement with Palantir, a CIA-funded start-up that has denied alleged links to the recently uncovered NSA surveillance. And a New Jersey county recently purchased the license plate readers under a grant from the Department of Homeland Security. But information collected has been used to solve domestic crime and enforce small-time violations, including parking restrictions or motorists who run red lights. In New York City, police have used the readers to catch car thieves and identify motorists with open warrants.

Like other forms of location tracking, license plate readers pose obvious privacy concerns, which is why several states and jurisdictions have limited their use, with New Hampshire banning them entirely. And a recent report from the International Association of Chiefs of Police has said tracking driver locations could raise First Amendment questions, as it collects data about individuals’ activities, religious practices, and even political protests. But in places where legislative limits have not been set, police are expanding their use of the tactic. An investigation in Los Angeles found the city had already recorded 160 million “data points.” Attempts to pass a California law limiting retention of these records to 60 days failed, after law enforcement and businesses that profit from the technology resisted.

Courts have grappled recently with other surveillance tools, but license plate readers have not come under scrutiny. A major U.S. Supreme Court decision last term significantly limited police use of GPS devices, in holding that attaching one to a suspect’s car without a warrant and monitoring his activity for 28 days constituted a “search.” Police have since turned to other tactics, including cell tower data, as an alternative means of location-tracking, and lower court rulings have set varying limits on the practice. Just this term, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the collection and retention of DNA on every person arrested — not convicted — of a serious violent crime, as the four dissenting justices who expressed passionate disapproval reiterated, “the Fourth Amendment forbids searching a person for
evidence of a crime when there is no basis for believing the person is guilty of the crime or is in possession of incriminating evidence.” This alternative type of location surveillance, which may nor not be deemed a Fourth Amendment search, burdens not just arrestees, but everybody who drives a car.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation and the ACLU have filed lawsuits to gain access to the data.
 
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police in some states are FORCIBLY taking blood samples form drivers who refuse to blow intot eh straw..


once again? this is not a beach of mine since i have drunken about a twleve pack of beer int ehlast year... and i never drink when i amout and about, not even wine wiht dinner even tho i love love a good cabernet with rare beef...


when i first got otu of HS i drew blood at huge coutny hoispital right outside of DC... i had to draw blood for the cops all the time in MD. here's the "thing" tho, every time i drew blood it was perfectly acceptable to teh person i took it from- they signed the forms in order to keep their drivers license. They were always repeat offenders who knew the system and were (on specific advice from their lawyers)hoping that their blood alcohol levels would drop to legal levels before i perfromed this act on them...
aparently the cops and hte judges now beleive they have the right to take your blood no matter what... this is the very definition of police state... in the past? you gave up your license for refusing but now? you get assaulted...


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX6_QWieZlU
 
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"Any comments or jokes about security may lead to your immediate arrest."
- From the TSA loudspeakers at George Bush airport in Houston.
 
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i have know this for years, and am still trying to figure out what it was that Snowdne suppesedly revealed last month and what the big deal is about him... he is a nobody. as far as i can tell? he doesn't even have adegree and only swaps boards in serveres...
i grew up with the the "beltway bandits" -contractors who worked on all these progrmas constantly shared info they should not have. i actaully tried NOT to pay attention to their mutterings and complainings becuase ifully understand how need to works and why it works (or in many cases doens't work)
when i was in highs school th ejoke was that our folks could tell waht brand of cigarettes we smoked via keyhole, the htingis? you knew not to actaully use the term keyhole in more than whisper cuz that would bring MIB's... why is all this suddenly spalttered all over th enews adn what on easrth has the NSA so riled up about snowden? we'll neve rknow for sure due to "need to know" [Wink]


NSA spy scandal: It's even worse than Snowden says



Saturday, June 29th, 2013 | Posted by Kevin Barrett
NSA spy scandal: It’s even worse than Snowden says
Russ Tice is a former NSA intelligence analyst who has also worked for the US Air Force, the Office of Naval Intelligence, and the Defense Intelligence Agency. He was a real US intelligence insider, many pay grades above rookie contractor Edward Snowden.

In 2005, Tice blew the whistle on the NSA’s illegal spying on Americans. Tice and other NSA sources revealed that the NSA’s computerized spy program ECHELON was reading and filtering over 100,000 emails and phone calls per second. That is an even worse abuse of Americans’ Constitutional rights than the programs that Snowden has revealed, which store copies of emails and phone calls but (allegedly) do not read them except when legally authorized to do so.

Worse yet, Tice’s revelations raise even more troubling issues. Tice and his NSA whistleblower colleagues revealed that the NSA’s massive, illegal spy-on-Americans program began in February, 2001 – seven months BEFORE the 9/11 attacks! As Andrew Harris reported for Bloomberg in July, 2006:

“The US National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court… ‘The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,’ plaintiff’s lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. ‘This undermines that assertion.”’

The illegal NSA spy-on-Americans program apparently “became necessary” several months before 9/11, not after 9/11. Why?

In an interview entitled “NSA Whistleblower Russ Tice Alleges NSA Wiretapped Barack Obama as Senate Candidate” Russ Tice recently explained to FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds the real purpose of the NSA’s illegal spying on Americans: To collect blackmail material and other information that can be used to control influential citizens.

In short: The whole purpose of the NSA spy program was to enable 9/11, protect the perpetrators, and maintain the 9/11-triggered covert dictatorship.

Before 9/11, the neoconservatives of the Bush-Cheney Administration needed to ensure that no influential Americans would dare to stand up against the coming coup d’état. So they directed the NSA to begin wiretapping the American people.

From the billions of intercepted communications, the 9/11 plotters focused on those of extremely influential Americans: Politicians, wealthy people, military and intelligence officers, media figures, and other well-connected individuals. All of these people were profiled: Were they likely to resist the coming 9/11 operation? If so, how could they be stopped?

In some cases, blackmail material was collected. In others, more intensive surveillance was instituted.

Two “actionable threats” to the 9/11 coup were Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. After 9/11, they received US government anthrax in the mail. Frightened, Daschle and Leahy quickly stopped questioning 9/11 and opposing the Constitution-shredding USA Patriot Act.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/29/nsa-spy-scandal-its-even-worse-than-snow den-says/
 
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duh! this is stoopid right? i mean we all knew this all along right?

i'm still trying to figger out what it is that snowden revealed that we didn't already know?

yah Pagan, my internet searches did in fact instigate specific questions by other researchers in my wife's field- but when i told you that this happened you said i'm nuts? LOL...
who's nuts? not me-

i'll share another detail now that should make you squirm even more, the one specific case that proved the situation to me beyond doubt and really triggered my outrage involved foreign natioanl researchers working for our government. i never cared that our own people were doing it, i've known that for years but when house Chin comes knocking? that means we got more problems than i realised. esp. since we had compartmentalised the way we did the literature searches very carefully so that any "echoes" that came back were proven to be off my PC!

3 July 2013 - 1:39pm | posted by Steven Raeburn | 0 comments

German minister warns net users to avoid Google and Facebook which use US servers
Google uses US servers
Google uses US servers As the row over US data snooping continues to develop, a German Minister has issued a warning to internet users to avoid using sites which use US servers, if they wish to avoid NSA surveillance. Google, the world’s largest search engine and global brand, and Facebook, with 1.1 billion active users monthly, are hosted on US servers.
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/07/03/german-minister-warns-net-users-avoid-goo gle-and-facebook-which-use-us-servers#A0Ze5tA8ilz6eQ2j.99
 
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my tin foil hat really is gold plated huh Pagan?


|
7/02/2013 @ 2:42PM |
National Intelligence Director Clapper Apologizes For 'Clearly Erroneous' Congressional Testimony On NSA Surveillance

Whistleblower Edward Snowden isn’t the only one looking for a safe haven since he began leaking a series of top secret documents on the National Security Agency’s surveillance practices. So has Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, whose statements to Congress earlier this year on NSA methods were exposed by Snowden’s leaks as being highly misleading. And as many call for Clapper’s resignation, he’s finally issued a public apology.

In a letter sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Diane Feinstein and published on the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s website, Clapper admitted that his response in a March hearing to a question from Senator Ron Wyden on NSA data collection was “clearly erroneous.”

Wyden had asked Clapper to clarify a statement by NSA Director Keith Alexander, who had denied in a talk at the Defcon hacker conference that the NSA collected “dossiers” on every American. “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Wyden asked.
Take A Break From The Snowden Drama For A Reminder Of What He's Revealed So Far Andy Greenberg Andy Greenberg Forbes Staff
Watch Top U.S. Intelligence Officials Repeatedly Deny NSA Spying On Americans Over The Last Year (Videos) Andy Greenberg Andy Greenberg Forbes Staff
After NSA Leaks, Senators Re-Introduce Bill To Reduce Patriot Act Secrecy Andy Greenberg Andy Greenberg Forbes Staff

“No sir,” responded Clapper at the time. “Not wittingly.”

In fact, a document leaked to the Guardian by 29-year-old Booz Allen Hamilton contractor Edward Snowden showed that the NSA collected millions of Verizon customers’ cell phone records, specifically requesting that the company hand over Americans’ records and disregard the records of foreigners, and it was soon revealed that Sprint’s and AT&T’s data had been demanded under the same program. Those reports led Wyden to issue a statement calling for “straight answers” from intelligence officials like Clapper, and prompted others including Senator Rand Paul, Representative Justin Amash, former ambassador John Bolton, and former CIA agent Valerie Plame to call for his resignation.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/07/02/national-intelligence-direc tor-clapper-apologizes-for-clearly-erroneous-congressional-testimony-on-nsa-surv eillance/
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i belive this is rape, and if i'm not mistaken it is life in jail in teyaxas:



by Tiffany Craig / KHOU 11 News

KHOU

Posted on July 3, 2013 at 8:20 AM

BRAZORIA COUNTY, Texas -- Two women subjected to body cavity searches on the side of Highway 288 are suing the officers involved.

The entire stop was recorded on dash camera by the state trooper who initially pulled over Brandy Hamilton and Alexandria Randle for speeding.

The women were driving home from a trip to Surfside beach.

You can hear Hamilton ask the trooper if she can put on some clothes because she is wearing only a bikini.

"Can I put my dress on," she asked the officer. "Don't worry about it," he told her. "Come out here."

The trooper asks if there is anything illegal in the car after claiming to smell marijuana.

Hamilton answers no.

He also pulled Randle from the car and gets on the radio to call for a female trooper.

"One of them has got her zipper open on her pants of her daisy dukes shorts -- whatever they are," he said.

The male trooper reportedly found a small amount of marijuana in the vehicle.

The attorney for the women, Allie Booker, doesn't understand why the cavity search was done.

"If you claim they were in the car doing something they had no business, and you claim you had the butt end of what they were doing, why do you need to do a cavity search," Booker said.

Hamilton was searched first and in the video, you can hear her reaction.

"Are you serious," Hamilton asked the trooper.

"If you hid something in there, we're going to find it," said the trooper.

"You're going to go up my private parts," Hamilton said.

"Yes ma'am," she said.

Nothing was found on either woman and they claim gloves weren't changed between searches.

KHOU 11 News legal analyst Gerald Treece watched the video with us.

"I think it's the violation of the 4th amendment to do these type of body cavity searches," said Treece. "The thing that's offensive about this is the fact that it's the most intrusive type of search which is a body cavity search and the question is for what."

One of the women is still dealing with a marijuana charge. Both have filed a federal lawsuit against the officers involved.

The female trooper in this case, Jennie Bui has been fired. The male trooper, Nathaniel Turner has been suspended during an internal investigation.

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/2-women-sue-over-body-cavity-search-on-the-side-o f-highway-214128831.html
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
my dog is also a seatbelt expert [Wink]

Police Using 'Seatbelt Checkpoints' to Search Cars Without Warrants, Make Drug Arrests

By Michael Allen, Fri, July 05, 2013

The Beckley, West Virginia Police Department set up a "seatbelt checkpoint," which resulted in several drug arrests on July 2.

The Beckley police claimed they did the checkpoint to inform residents and raise awareness of a new seatbelt law that goes into effect on July 9.

However, police brought K-9 drug-sniffing dogs to the checkpoints, which were not needed for seatbelt education.

According to The Register-Herald, police searched cars during the seatbelt checks and made five drug arrests. Officers seized 96 grams of marijuana, crack cocaine and $1,500. Police also issued 25 traffic citations


might as well move to China, cuz House Chin makes no pretenses about what they are doing and why... it's more honest [Wall Bang]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
note the source of this article carefully. even the Police are becoming alarmed about their Brother's and Sister's behaviors;

Body-cavity searches and common sense: No misdemeanor is worth losing your job
It’s pretty unlikely that there’s even one jurisdiction in America in which a roadside body-cavity search falls within agency policy.

Trooper Bui has already been fired, and Trooper Turner has been suspended pending an internal investigation. The tea leaves I’m reading aren’t completely clear on his future with Texas DPS, but it’s a very safe prediction that there will be a significant payout to these women.

Officers are covered by applicable U.S. Supreme Court case law — even if there’s not probable cause for an arrest, all you need is reasonable suspicion for a Terry pat down.

For a Terry pat down — not a body-cavity search.

To my knowledge — and I encourage correction in the comments below if I’m wrong — there isn’t a jurisdiction in America in which a roadside body-cavity search falls within agency policy, including Texas DPS.

DPS Director Steven McCraw said in a written statement that the department “does not and will not tolerate any conduct that violates the U.S. and Texas constitutions or DPS training or policy.”
Another Member added the following tip: “You conducted the stop, got the PC, searched and found a small amount of marijuana in the vehicle. Now make your arrest, transport to jail, let the jailers discover the weed there, then file on her for POM in a correctional facility (felony). And if the second amount is not found, so what, you already got your ‘arrest, traffic, impound, and citation stat’ for the day... MOVE ON to the next stop and don't get sued!”

Look, stowing stuff in body cavities is not new. Both male and female criminals use body-cavity concealment for all manner of contraband — hell, this woman concealed a loaded, five-shot, .22 caliber revolver in her vagina. But agency policy almost assuredly dictates that a body-cavity search be done under very specific guidelines.

There’s no substitute for common sense, so if you have to ask yourself, “Is this a good idea?” you may also want to seek a second opinion.

Maybe two.

Stay safe out there, my friends.


http://www.policeone.com/chiefs-sheriffs/articles/6322323-Body-cavity-searches-a nd-common-sense-No-misdemeanor-is-worth-losing-your-job/
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
also take note of the attaboy in the cautionary wording!

you already got your ‘arrest, traffic, impound, and citation stat’ for the day... MOVE ON to the next stop and don't get sued!

that is pretty darn explicit isn't it?
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Five Egregious Ways Police Are Seizing Property From Those Never Accused Of A Crime

By Nicole Flatow on August 5, 2013 at 2:19 pm


Border Prosecutions
CREDIT: AP Photo/Eric Gay

As law enforcement officers continue to ramp up use of a controversial practice known as civil forfeiture, police are seizing cash, cars, houses, and other assets in the name of drug enforcement without ever having arrested or charged their owners with a crime. Funds collected from these seizures frequently go directly back into law enforcement, creating a dangerous profit incentive for police and other law enforcers. Both the New Yorker and ProPublica have new investigations of this practice, in which officers seize property they believe is connected to drug or other illicit activity, with a much lower burden of proof than when charges are filed against a person. Below are five of the most egregious incidents to emerge from these reports.
•Police in Philadelphia are seeking to seize the home of an elderly couple with health troubles because their 31-year-old son allegedly sold small quantities of marijuana for $20 each to an informant. The Adamses were able to defend the forfeiture action only because of a University of Pennsylvania law school clinic that provided free legal services and had experience with similar cases. “Even lawyers don’t know about these defenses unless they’ve worked on forfeiture specifically,” said Louis Rulli, who runs the clinic. Such seizures of homes for alleged drug offenses committed by children or grandchildren are widespread in Philadelphia, where nearly 2,000 forfeiture actions were filed against houses between 2008 and 2012. ProPublica’s review of these cases found that only 30 ended in judges rejecting seizure.
•Virginia state troopers seized funds collected from church donations when church secretary Victor Ramos Guzman was pulled over on the highway. Because the Guzman is an immigrant from El Salvador who was living in the United States under temporary protected status, the police department stood to gain 80 percent of the proceeds by reporting the money to Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Guzman, who said he was on his way to buy a property for the church with the funds, spoke limited English, and was unable to combat the seizure until he gained pro bono representation from a lawyer who served as Deputy Chief Justice Department’s Asset Forfeiture Office during the Reagan administration.
•Police in Tehana, Texas, seized for several hours the infant of a Washington, D.C. couple traveling through the town, who said they were using their cash to buy restaurant equipment. Dale Agostini, a Guyanese man who runs an award-winning Caribbean restaurant, and his then-fiancee, a nursing student, were put in jail for the night. In police surveillance footage, an officer recounted that when Agostini asked if he could kiss his son goodbye, the officer responded, “No, kiss me.” The couple was one of the original plantiffs in a class action against the town for its rampant seizures of cash from those driving through on the highway, without other evidence of contraband or illegal activity.
•In Johnson County, Texas, an officer seized cash from an out-of-state driver possessing no contraband, in exchange for a receipt that contained no information about who seized the money or how he could get it back. These sorts of actions are fueled by a Texas system in which officers directly profit from these seizures. In Hunt County, officers earned bonuses of up to $26,000 a year that came straight from forfeiture funds.
•In Washington, D.C., the Metropolitan Police Department has “seized cars by the hundreds,” including when a child driving a vehicle is suspected of criminal activity. Owners must post a bond of $2,500 simply to challenge the seizure, which can take months or years to resolve. The D.C. Council is now considering a bill to change the law, after the city’s Public Defender’s Service filed a constitutional challenge to the practice last year. Here’s one story from the New Yorker about how these seizures work:


Nelly Moreira, a stout, curly-haired custodian who lives in Northwest D.C. Moreira relied on her 2005 Honda Accord to drive from her early-morning job, cleaning Trinity Washington University, to her evening job, cleaning the U.S. Treasury Department. In March, 2012, her son was driving her car when he was pulled over for a minor traffic violation, and, after a pat down, was found to have a handgun. He was arrested, and her car was seized. Moreira, who grew up in El Salvador, explained in Spanish that she received a letter in the mail two months later asking her to pay a bond of one thousand and twenty dollars—which she took to be the fee to get her car back. Desperate, she borrowed cash from friends and family to cover the bond, which is known in D.C. law as a “penal sum.” If she hadn’t, the car would have been auctioned off, or put to use by the police. But all that the money bought her was the right to a complex and slow-moving civil-forfeiture court case.

She was left struggling to make her car payments each month as her Honda sat in a city lot, unused and unsheltered from the elements. The bond, the loans, and the public-transportation costs added up. “There were days I didn’t have a good meal,” she told me in February, sitting beneath her daughter’s quinceañera portrait in her narrow fuchsia-painted row house.

Federal forfeitures have been reined in relative to some local and state practices with the passage of the Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000. But DOJ proceeds have nonetheless skyrocketed over the years, from $27 million in 1985, to $500 million in 2000, to $4.2 billion last year, a record. At both the local and federal levels, report after report has borne out the concern that police overreach and misbehave when they gain a direct financial reward for seizing more assets. Even where officers are following the letter of the law, civil forfeitures by their very nature impose a minimal burden on officers, requiring them to prove only that the property is suspect — not the individual who owns it. The burden is on the defendant, by contrast, to prove their money was improperly taken from them. This is a significantly lower burden than in the lesser-used practice of criminal forfeiture, which only allows seizure once someone has been convicted. Advocates such as the ACLU’s Vanita Gupta question why law enforcement officers should ever be permitted to use civil forfeiture instead.
 
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Homelessness

By Scott Keyes on August 6, 2013 at 5:07 pm


shutterstock_130231589Palo Alto, one of the wealthiest cities in the United States, voted Monday night to make it illegal to dwell in a car, the latest measure adopted by the city to criminalize homelessness.

The debate leading up to Monday’s vote was contentious. Proponents complained that homeless people were decreasing their quality of life in Palo Alto, while opponents pleaded that making it illegal to be homeless was unfair and mean-spirited.

“These are Palo Altans,” testified homeless advocate James Han. “These are people who have jobs in the community; people who would love to stay here if possible but can’t; people who are staying in their cars because they live in Tracy, they have jobs out here and they can’t afford a daily commute back to Tracy. These are people who are contributing to your community who deserve something more humane.”

The vote itself, however was lopsided, with seven council members voting in favor and just two opposed. Shouts of “shame!” echoed throughout the chamber from opponents of the measure, according to Palo Alto Online’s Gennady Sheyner.

There are more than 400 homeless men and women who live in Palo Alto, according to a 2010 estimate, and as many as 50 of them currently find refuge in their cars. If they don’t find other accommodations or leave town in the next six months when the law goes fully into effect, they could face six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Palo Alto first considered banning people from dwelling in vehicles in 2011, but opted instead to try to mimic a program used in other cities where homeless residents can park and sleep at local churches. That plan failed to take hold in Palo Alto, Sheyner notes, “after staff failed to find participants in the local faith-based community.”

Even before Monday’s vote, Palo Alto had developed a reputation for cruel treatment of its homeless residents. In 1997, the city passed a “sit-lie” law, which prohibits people from sitting or lying down on downtown sidewalks. The ordinance effectively outlaws homeless people from asking for donations or even spending time downtown; as a result, homeless residents are pushed even further to the margin of society.

Many cities in the Bay Area have already outlawed sleeping in one’s car. And though there’s no exact count of how many municipalities ban it, a recent Time article about homeless people living in their vehicles estimated that it’s illegal in much of the country.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
About one third of the adult homeless population are Veterans.

I saw recently that the fight goes on whether to keep port a potties in the skid row areas of LA due to the cost.

Where do they think these homeless people go if it isn't fairly conveniant.

People can be cruel when it comes to homeless people. It's almost like people want to beat them down a little more.

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Posted by glassman on :
 
When i lived in California? I saw more homelessness in one month in Riverside than i had ever sen in my whole life.

I now live in one of the most poverty stricken areas in the *developed world* (not just the US)
i have lived here for many years longer than i planned to becaiuse of this stupid recession/depression.

what i have learned here is that we don't have homelessness in poveryt stricken areas. It is a "disaease" of the wealthy.

i know that sounds counterintuitive but here's why; this guys house (and land) is worht less than most cars.:

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so, you want to belive this is an extreme example? OK, your are corrct. this place is way cleaner than 90% of the rest of this dump...
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
But at least they have a place to stay. I think that is better than the streets, not saying that is good, but i would rather live in that then be on the streets.

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Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
“Even lawyers don’t know about these defenses unless they’ve worked on forfeiture specifically,” said Louis Rulli, who runs the clinic.

this is interesting to me because i have had to learn alot about whislteblowing laws in the last two years, and the same hing is true in both areas of the law. WHOLE law firms are often required to defend against whistleblowing retaliation. The worst part is that most whistleblowers do not even know they are whislteblowers unti lit is too late, (they were "just doing their job") just like this couple whose son was prolly entrapped, and the criminal case would be thrown out, but the property confiscation will not be thrown out (as easily).

the truly sad part of this is that it all began with good intentions. the cops needed more moeny to combat serious drug cartels and drug gangs (like the Pagans motorcycle gang).. remember "just say no" ?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
But at least they have a place to stay. I think that is better than the streets, not saying that is good, but i would rather live in that then be on the streets.

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i agree. however, if you saw all the money being poured itno programs that is supposed to be ending that poverty and is not, it is just going to wothless grants written and excuted by the wealthy, you'd freak out... (that's why i have had to learn so much about whislteblowing retaliation laws [Wink] )
 
Posted by glassman on :
 

Published on Wednesday, August 7, 2013 by Common Dreams
'Eminent Domain for the People' Leaves Wall Street Furious
Housing justice advocates hopeful about innovative Richmond plan to use public seizure laws to save underwater homes from foreclosure
- Sarah Lazare, staff writer
Using the authority of state government to actually help people has Wall Street bankers in a panic, spurring threats of aggressive legal retaliation against the town of Richmond, California simply for trying to help some of its struggling homeowners.

'Eminent domain' has long been a dirty term for housing justice advocates who have seen municipalities invoke public seizure laws to displace residents and communities to make way for highways, shopping malls, and other big dollar projects.

But in Richmond, city officials are using eminent domain to force big banks to stop foreclosing on people's homes in an innovative new strategy known as 'Principle Reduction' aimed at addressing California's burgeoning housing crisis.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/08/07-4#.UgKKG1WFe6g.facebook
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Originally Posted By Glassman:

i agree. however, if you saw all the money being poured itno programs that is supposed to be ending that poverty and is not, it is just going to wothless grants written and excuted by the wealthy, you'd freak out... (that's why i have had to learn so much about whislteblowing retaliation laws )
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That's the problem with so many of these programs, most of the money never gets to the ones that need it.

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
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Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
Originally Posted By Glassman:

i agree. however, if you saw all the money being poured itno programs that is supposed to be ending that poverty and is not, it is just going to wothless grants written and excuted by the wealthy, you'd freak out... (that's why i have had to learn so much about whislteblowing retaliation laws )
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That's the problem with so many of these programs, most of the money never gets to the ones that need it.

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yes! and the ones who are getting it are wives of lawyers adn doctors (for instance).
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
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even worse than that cashcow? suppose we DO get every kid through college? (that's a common dream goal) who is goingto be the garbage collector? the worst part about that model is that if thegarbage collectors stop working? we will all be sick in 6 months....
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I am sure there will be plenty of immigrants to fill the garbage collection jobs.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
not if we send them all to college
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Originally Posted By Glassman:

"not if we send them all to college"
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Right on!

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Posted by raybond on :
 
North Carolina Charity Threatened With Arrest For Feeding Homeless People

By Scott Keyes on August 26, 2013 at 9:57 am


feeding homeless NC
CREDIT: Love Wins Ministries

A group that for years has handed out food to the homeless in Raleigh every weekend was threatened with arrest if they continued their charity work.

This past Saturday, Rev. Hugh Hollowell and other members of Love Wins Ministries (LWM), a Christian organization based in Raleigh, shuttled over hot coffee and 100 breakfast sandwiches to feed the needy downtown. Though a Raleigh city ordinance prevents anyone from distributing food in a park without a permit, LWM had a “good working relationship with the Raleigh Police Department” and had disbursed food from the sidewalk for the past six years, according to the group’s website.

However, this weekend was different, for reasons that are not yet clear. As LWM was setting up, they were approached by Raleigh police officers who informed them that if they tried to hand out their breakfast sandwiches, they would be arrested. As 70 needy people watched and waited for breakfast, LWM was forced to pack up the sandwiches and leave without distributing any food. They were told that a permit would cost $1,600 every weekend for use of the park, but the officer allegedly told them it was unlikely their application would be approved regardless.

As LWM notes, there are no soup kitchens in Raleigh that are still open on the weekends, so their work has been pivotal in making sure hungry people get a meal on the weekends.

ThinkProgress left a message with the Raleigh Police Department as to why, unlike in past years, the ordinance was now being strictly enforced, but did not hear back before publication. Police spokesman Jim Sughrue told ABC 11 that “People were simply informed the ordinance prohibits the kinds of actions some groups have been engaged in at the park.”

For her part, the mayor of Raleigh is already taking action. During a rally on Sunday in protest, Mayor Nancy McFarlane showed up and apologized for the encounter, saying, “I’m sorry for the confrontation or whatever happened yesterday, but I think the outcome is going to be good.” She said she would convene a meeting soon about how to rectify the matter. In the meantime, LWM is looking for an alternate downtown location to distribute food on the weekends, such as a private building or parking lot, and asking for any leads to contact them at hugh@lovewins.info.

LWM are not the only people who have been threatened with arrest recently for daring to feed hungry people in public. In 2011, three members of a charitable group Foods Not Bombs were arrested in Orlando for passing out food to the homeless in a public park. Similarly, an 82-year-old Hartford, Connecticut man who had distributed free haircuts to the homeless for the past decade in a local park, was ordered to stop by police officers in June because he didn’t have a license, though he was eventually allowed to continue his charity work after the ensuing media firestorm.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WMn_zHCVo

Happy fourth of july America. Perfect example of mis-use of power.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
That is a disgusting use of power. That cop in that video right there is the true definition of pig.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the first time i was illegally detained and searched after 9-11 was in 2002. It hasn't stopped. I am not even talking about flying, just driivng the roads. I've been through a dozen checkpoints without any issues other than the fact that it's unconstitutional.
I posted here several times about differnt times i've been stopped illegally. I don't drink and drive ever anymore.
Until someoen takes this all the way the supreme court and wins a case that proves we have the right to drive a car on the road, we will be subjected to this behavior.

because cars were not invented yet? the legal position is that we don't have the right to use them. checkpoints are not unreasonable because they stop everyone? LOL...


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


unless you have tail light out, or touch the white line with your wheels, or do not maintain the appropriate speed? (drinkers often go too slow) they do not have nay right to stop you and conduct a search even of your breath....

the real problem lies in the issue of whether you have the right to use th roads and drive a car without being searched. they claim you don't. but since you cannot make a living or obtain your foodwithout doing it? it is aright, and someone needs to take this argument all the way to SCOTUS. i don't have that kinda dough.

followup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d8lRRN_eS0
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJO74SvEHYg

there is no reason to forcibly take the blood, just take their license and stop assaulting people.

look how many manhours are going into this. they have four deputies costing what? 30$ per hour each? and each one is being paid borrowed money
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
if they tried this here in where i live? they'd have to evict every other person [Wink]

Man could get kicked out of his home if he gets any more “nuisance points”
Ironically, protesting the town's "nuisance points" is also considered a nuisance

Posted on August 29, 2013 by O.D. in Uncategorized

http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/man-could-get-kicked-out-of-his-home-if-he-ge ts-any-more-nuisance-points/
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Seems I remember someone warning of this very ting years ago on this site and being scoffed at.

My how times change.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
scoffed at by me? i'm pretty sure i've accumulated more "nuisance points" than you have, but you have a higher percentage than i do... good to see you are still ornery
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Yeah by you JA.

Ornery is one word for it lol
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
well, you since you put it that way, i didn't intend for you to take it as being scoffed at, i did intend to make you be more constructive in your critiques. i admit that i have become less of n optimist about the power of constructive criticism in the last few years. mostly due to personal experiences that prove that winning in a dirty fight (even tho it is a win) is not pertikerlurly gratifying, and time wasted fighting is still wasted time.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion about the direction of this country. It is clear that things are quickly developing along a constant trendline towards full state control.

It's saddening to watch, but enraging at the same time.
Awareness of the trend is by far one of the most important things to me. I have a family to protect and when it's time to run before they finally drop the hammer on us.. I want a heads up.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
there's no place to run.

they have checkpoints now on almost daily basis in yazoo city which is a chokepoint to get out of the Delta towards Jackson and all points south of there.

Yazoo City is fly dirt on the map but htey now have all brand new Chargers on the police force and the jail is always full of out-of towners. You know how poor the Delta is, more than half the people do not have car insurance- i pay double for mine because of that. They will not release anybody from jail without someone who has a job signing for them. It's no longer just bonding out. They are confiscating alot of cash too.
The cops have all figured out how to fund their programs and the only way to stop this is to take away their right to cash and property seizures.

start there. do not allow police to keep a penny of what they confiscate and fully half of the police state problem will crumble.
i know that ain't the only probelm we face, but this particular part is how the grassroots of a police state begin to choke out all freedom.
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
My place built that shiny new precast prison.

That was an FBOP funded program.
I don't think there is a solution.. A viable one anyways. It's too far gone now. The only thing that stops it is some sort of reset.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
well, two major gun control lawmakers were recalled yesterday in a Colorado recall election. people are concerend that gun control laws really mean that only the govt will have guns

i expect more elected officals who advocated or voted for gun control legislation to face tough if not unwinnable campaigns next year
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Glass...you'll love this.

Missouri bill would void federal gun laws, OK machine guns for residents

By Leslie Bentz and George Howell, CNN
updated 7:39 AM EDT, Wed September 11, 2013

Kearney, Missouri (CNN) -- The Missouri state legislature is trying to accomplish something that's never been done: pass a law that'll not only let residents own a machine gun, but also arrest federal agents if they try to take it away.
What's more, the bill would make it illegal for anyone to publish any information about a gun owner.
"There are people saying this is the same as seceding from the Union," said gun owner Kevin Jamison. "Missouri did not secede from the Union in 1862, and it does not do so by passing this law."
The legislation already passed once through the Republican-led House and Senate -- only to be vetoed by Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.
Nixon argued that the legislation violated a provision in the U.S. Constitution called the Supremacy Clause. The Supremacy Clause gives preference to federal laws over state laws.
Lawmakers insist what they're proposing is not only constitutional, but essential to protect the rights of gun owners.
So Wednesday, the legislature votes on an override of the veto.
Colorado recall a proxy in national gun control debate
What the bill says
The author of the bill is optimistic.
"This bill doesn't put one new gun on the street," State Representative Doug Funderburk told CNN. "It strictly says that Missouri is going to protect the Second Amendment rights of Missourians."
By superseding current federal regulations, House Bill 436 would make it a criminal offense to enforce background checks or to publish the name and address of a gun owner in the state.
It would also allow citizens to own a machine gun, which is banned under federal regulations. Most importantly, it will nullify federal gun laws and make it a misdemeanor for a federal agent to attempt to enforce them.
Gun permits for the blind? Iowa grants them, stirs debate
Opponents worry
Multiple states like Ohio, Minnesota and Texas have pursued similar bills in recent months in reaction to attempts at federal gun control legislation after the December shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Opponents worry such a law could all but end any joint operations between local and federal law enforcement agencies when it comes to taking guns off the streets.
St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson has been one of its most vocal opponents.
"(We are) basically saying to criminals, 'OK criminals, it's OK to come to Missouri. We won't prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law,'" he said.
If the state legislature succeeds in overriding the governor's veto, the issue would almost certainly head to court.
CNN's George Howell reported from Kearney, Missouri; Leslie Bentz from Washington

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/us/missouri-gun-laws-challenge/
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Own a machine gun , It will be ok after all I am sure they will have machine gun safety classes.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
Glass...you'll love this.

Missouri bill would void federal gun laws, OK machine guns for residents

By Leslie Bentz and George Howell, CNN
updated 7:39 AM EDT, Wed September 11, 2013

Kearney, Missouri (CNN) -- The Missouri state legislature is trying to accomplish something that's never been done: pass a law that'll not only let residents own a machine gun, but also arrest federal agents if they try to take it away.
What's more, the bill would make it illegal for anyone to publish any information about a gun owner.
"There are people saying this is the same as seceding from the Union," said gun owner Kevin Jamison. "Missouri did not secede from the Union in 1862, and it does not do so by passing this law."
The legislation already passed once through the Republican-led House and Senate -- only to be vetoed by Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon.
Nixon argued that the legislation violated a provision in the U.S. Constitution called the Supremacy Clause. The Supremacy Clause gives preference to federal laws over state laws.
Lawmakers insist what they're proposing is not only constitutional, but essential to protect the rights of gun owners.
So Wednesday, the legislature votes on an override of the veto.
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What the bill says
The author of the bill is optimistic.
"This bill doesn't put one new gun on the street," State Representative Doug Funderburk told CNN. "It strictly says that Missouri is going to protect the Second Amendment rights of Missourians."
By superseding current federal regulations, House Bill 436 would make it a criminal offense to enforce background checks or to publish the name and address of a gun owner in the state.
It would also allow citizens to own a machine gun, which is banned under federal regulations. Most importantly, it will nullify federal gun laws and make it a misdemeanor for a federal agent to attempt to enforce them.
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Opponents worry
Multiple states like Ohio, Minnesota and Texas have pursued similar bills in recent months in reaction to attempts at federal gun control legislation after the December shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Opponents worry such a law could all but end any joint operations between local and federal law enforcement agencies when it comes to taking guns off the streets.
St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson has been one of its most vocal opponents.
"(We are) basically saying to criminals, 'OK criminals, it's OK to come to Missouri. We won't prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law,'" he said.
If the state legislature succeeds in overriding the governor's veto, the issue would almost certainly head to court.
CNN's George Howell reported from Kearney, Missouri; Leslie Bentz from Washington

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/us/missouri-gun-laws-challenge/

i do like it that states who do not agree with what is being done in Washington pass laws contrary to Federal Laws. Especially whne those laws (and treaties) are generally contrary tp popular will of the people.

remember that the nation once passed a Caonstitutional amenment to ban alcohol, but now youe see beer commercials all weekned long in between passing and running plays [Wink]
times change, back and forth, ebb and flow....
what the Constitution does not allow the Feds to do the Sates are obligated to cahallenge, if that is the will of the people...

the US is always in a revolutionary condition.... but it's peaceful, and hopefully will reamin so...

the "supremacy clause"



U.S. Constitution

Article VI

All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

particualrly note that no religious test shall EVER be required. not even putting your hand on a Bible, nor "under God"
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Own a machine gun , It will be ok after all I am sure they will have machine gun safety classes.

i have no interset in owning a machine gun. my only interst in them has ever been that of being paid by the navy to keep 'em claen and working.


however,


How to Buy a Machinegun

Yes, You can legally own a machinegun

Unless you live in one of the few states that prohibit machineguns (listed below) or are a convicted felon you can legally own a fully automatic machine gun. In most states, if you qualify to own a handgun, you are qualified to own a machinegun. Machineguns are certainly the most fun and most collectible firearms you can own.

There is no blanket law that prevent private ownership of machineguns. In fact, macihineguns are a very wise and lucrative investment. The reason for this is that in 1986, Congress passed the Firearms Owner’s Protection Act. (Sounds like a good thing, right?) Wrong.

This law banned the manufacture, import, and sale of new machineguns to civilians. Any guns manufactured and registered with BATFE after May of 1986 cannot be sold or possessed by individual citizens. There is, however, over a quarter million existing “pre-May” machineguns that are perfectly legal to purchase. These machine guns are commonly called “transferables.”

So, how can machineguns be a great investment? It’s as simple as supply and demand. The supply of ‘transferable’ machineguns is fixed by the 1986 ban, and the demand by people who want to own and shoot them is steadily increasing. For instance, a transferable MP5 might sell for $15,000 now, they typically sold for $5000 or less ten years ago. Unlike stock, bonds, and mutual funds it’s highly unlikely that it will ever be worthless. In hard times, they may even be worth more. Machine guns are an investment you can cherish, enjoy shooting, and pass on to future generations.

Aren’t these guns dangerous? Well, like any firearm, they can be misused. However, legal machine guns are never misused. As of 1995, there were over 240,000 machine guns registered by the BATFE nationwide. About half are owned by civilians and the other half by government agencies. Since 1934, only two homocides have been linked to legally owned machine gun, and one was committed by a law enforcement officer, as opposed to a civilian (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime). What that means is that there is essentially no crime committed by individuals owning machine guns. Since these machineguns are already strictly controlled, there has been little or no ‘anti-gun’ pressure on them.

The Process
Ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934, individuals buying machineguns have required the same procedure for each machinegun.
1) Federal transfer form with fingerprints and photographs for the background check.
2) One-time transfer tax of $200.

When your form is approved, a Federal stamp in the amount of $200 is attached to your form certifying approval. This form is your ‘permission slip’ to own that specific machinegun.

Eligibility:

1. You must be a US citizen over 21
2. You must not have been convicted of a crime
3. You must live in a state and jurisdiction that does not prohibit machineguns.

States that prohibit machineguns:
California
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
New York
Rhode Island
Washington
see this site for more info about your state:
http://nraila.org/GunLaws/

Getting a Gun Transferred to You

Per the rules setup under the National Firearms Act, machineguns cannot be transferred interstate between individuals. If you find a transferable machinegun in your state, you can have it transferred directly to you on an ATF Form 4. If you buy a machinegun outside of your state, you must utilize a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) who also has a Special Occupational Tax (SOT) registration to first get the machinegun into your state. These dealers are typically referred to as “class 3 dealers.” They normally charge between $100 and $200 to facilitate the transfer process.

Transfers to dealers usually happen very quickly since there is no background check required (approximately 1-2 weeks). There are 3 types of ATF forms that are typically used for machinegun transfers:

Form 3 (tax exempt): FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT
Form 4 (transfer tax required):
to Individual/Corp (within the same state only)
Or
FFL/SOT to Individual (within the same state only) or FFL
Or
Individual to FFL/SOT
Or
Individual to Curio & Relic FFL (for C&R machineguns only)
Form 5 (tax exempt): Individual (deceased) to Heir (within the same state only)

If you buy the machinegun from an ‘individual’ in another state, he would transfer that gun to your dealer in your state on a Form 4. If you buy the machinegun from an FFL/SOT in another state, he would transfer that machinegun to your dealer in your state on a Form 3.

Once the machinegun is in your state, you must complete the Form 4 to get the machinegun transferred from the FFL/SOT to you.

Completing the Form
The Form 4 is a relatively simple two-page form. If you print it from the ATF web site (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#firearms) , you must make sure that both pages are on the same sheet of paper. The form must be completed in duplicate. The first section is the information about the “transferee” (you) and the “transferor” (your dealer). The second section is the information about the gun.

There are three sections on the back page:
1) The standard “yes” and “no” questions you have to answer each time you purchase a gun.
2) Section 15 (“Transferee’s Certification”): This is where you state the reason you want the machinegun. Just be honest. Most people buy machineguns for investment, collecting, target shooting, etc.
3) Section 17 (“Law Enforcement Certification”): You should ask your dealer specifically whom you should go to get this section signed. Most local officials don’t want to sign anything they are unfamiliar with, so it’s important to be directed to the correct government agent or office to deal with this form. If you’re lucky you can get your fingerprints and law enforcement certification done in the same day.

If you are filing your Form 4 as a corporation, partnership, LLC, PA or other legal entity besides ‘individual,’ you do not complete Section 17.

The fingerprint cards and photographs are for your FBI background check. This is a standard background check that is done government job applicants, schools teachers, SEC registrants, etc.

What to Send to ATF:
1) Complete Form 4 in duplicate with original ink signatures, not copies.
2) Certification of US Citizenship Form
3) Two FBI-258 Fingerprint Cards
4) Check for $200

Finding the Right Gun
Most transferable machineguns are owned by individuals. Since the ban in 1986 and the high cost of each machinegun, most FFL/SOT holders do not typically have much inventory. Further, all transferable machineguns are at least 22 years old. So buying a transferable machinegun is a lot like buying a used car. Many of the transferable machineguns are offered for sale may not be accurately represented with respect to condition, function, and authenticity. It’s important to deal with reputable collectors and dealers.
Web sites like sturmgewehr.com and subguns.com have been invaluable to the machinegun community. It’s a good idea to watch the Want To Sell (WTS) posts and discussion forums for a while before you decide to make a move on a gun.
Not all machineguns were created equal. Some guns are just better than others and some are more suited for how you like to shoot or collect.

I typically evaluate a gun in three factors:

1. Collectability:
a. How much do other people want it?
i. There are many famous machineguns like the MP-40 or Thompson that are very sought-after by collectors. The key factors for any collector are condition, authenticity, and uniqueness. For example, the M11 and MP-40 basically do the same thing, but an MP-40 can sell for five times more than an M11.

2. Shootability:
a. How fun is the gun to shoot?
i. This is a mostly subjective factor. Some shooters prefer subguns to heavy machineguns or assault rifles. Once you determine your category preference, within each category there are performance and other differences between models. For example, an MP-40 is much more smooth and controllable than an M11.
b. How expensive is it to shoot?
i. A 50 cal. machinegun can get very expensive to run. Also, there are a lot of calibers that are now obsolete and using old/expired ammo may malfunction and damage the machinegun.

3. Serviceability:
a. How expensive and/or rare are spare parts?
b. How often do parts break?
i. Some machinegun designs are fundamentally better designed and built than others.
c. How hard is the gun to service?
i. Some guns were designed to be disposable rather than serviced. The resulting design is much more difficult to service. Replacing a barrel on an MP5 is a good example of a difficult-to-service design.
d. Is there a warrantee?
i. Some of the original manufacturers are still in business and will repair, service, and supply parts for their guns.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
what i would like to konw is how "contractors" like whatever name Blackwter goes under now are able to buy brand new machine guns-

anybody understand how private corporations are bypassing the 1986 Firearms Owner’s Protection Act?

i don't know, there must be some "special" laws created for these "contractors" who work for the government
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Glass you can own a machine gun now all kidding aside. I don't know the procedure but I know lots of people in AZ. own them some are my friends. They go out in the desert and shoot them all the time.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Glass you can own a machine gun now all kidding aside. I don't know the procedure but I know lots of people in AZ. own them some are my friends. They go out in the desert and shoot them all the time.

i know and i'm not a gun nut (we setteld that a long time ago right? [Smile] ) i am a nut, but i'm really a glass nut...

i'm just asying that when Missourri writes a law saying they are lega, they are not going agaisnt eh Feds...


on the other hand? Missouri's law also provides for arresting Feds doing their job - that IS a little crazy...(i bet we agree on that too [Smile] )

so, Missourri is making statemnt by passing a law that is probably in violation of the Constittuion BUT if they feel theat they should? then they should... the Supreme Court can hear arguments... i personally would not like to see Feds being arrested for doing theri job... but i do like to see "The peoplle" standing up in proper Gvoernment forums and expressing what they want... i don't like it when the media and even the internt is abuzz with a bunch of opinions stated as facts.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
here is the big sandy shoot for machine guns they brag the biggest in the world


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/07/big_sandy_machi ne_gun_shoot_arizona_s_gun_lovers_and_gun_control.html
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
The people at Sandy Shoot arent the ones going out committing crimes. If they were, they would not be able to pass the background checks. Plus, its not their nature.

Taking away their guns because of behaviors in the inner cities and urban cores is ridiculous.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
I don't understand how your last post pertains to anything here on this topic cash. We were simply stating that if a person wants to they can own a machine gun, and they can. Glass posted the procedure and I post the proof. As far as the sandy shoot thank you for your free information and free opinion on owning a machine gun. Booth were worth what I paid for them.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Booth were worth what I paid for them.

exactly. [Wink]

it's amazing how many people overvlaue their own opinions. however, i don't think that is new phenomanea, in fact, my opinion is that it has been this way since we were swinging thru the trees....


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Posted by glassman on :
 
this one really does sound like fiction...

make sure to watch to the very end of the story they add insult to injury-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P6tVHWHiNg
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
This should be on national news, thats just awful.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
How long, Catiline, will you abuse our patience?”
[In Catilinam I - Against Catilina, Speech One (63 B.C)]
―Cicero
Quotes - http://izquotes.com/quote/219208
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Cop Caught On Tape Shooting Unarmed Man Won’t Be Charged With A Crime
By Aviva Shen on November 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm

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Chicago Police Officer Gildardo Sierra will not face any criminal charges for the killing of an unarmed man, Cook County prosecutors announced Tuesday, despite video footage that showed Sierra standing over the victim, Flint Farmer, and shooting him multiple times. Prosecutors concluded that Sierra may have reasonably mistaken Farmer’s cell phone for a gun, and therefore was justified in firing off all 16 rounds in his gun at the unarmed man.

Farmer was Sierra’s third shooting in six months, yet the officer remained on the job. The video showed Farmer lying on the ground bleeding as Sierra shot three bullets into his back. An autopsy later determined those three shots in his back were the fatal wounds.

Sierra eventually admitted that he drank “multiple” beers before he went to work that night. However, the city waited more than five hours after the shooting to give him a breath test, so there was no way to tell if he was impaired during the shooting.

The CPD also ruled Farmer’s shooting justified, though Superintendent Garry McCarthy later told the Chicago Tribune that Sierra should not have been allowed back on the street after the two previous shootings. McCarthy said the department had no way of tracking officers’ shooting records.

In the prosecutors’ defense, putting a cop in prison is remarkably difficult. Police officers are allowed to shoot if they fear for their lives, and proving that use of force was “unreasonable” sets a very high bar. Few police who have used force under suspicious circumstances ever face a judge. A 2007 study by UChicago law professor Craig Futterman found that just 19 of 10,149 complains of excessive force, illegal searches, racial abuse, sexual abuse, and false arrests led to a police suspension of a week or more. Individual police officers are also largely protected from damages claims in civil court through “qualified immunity.”

Though Sierra has gotten off essentially scot-free for his actions, Chicago taxpayers are not so lucky. The city settled a lawsuit over Farmer’s death for $4.1 million in December. Chicago has already paid out about $50 million to settle lawsuits from decades of police torture, and recently paid $8.5 million on behalf of an officer who shot a teenager in the back. Other cities plagued by police misconduct have had to shell out similarly large sums; New York taxpayers paid $185.6 million for one fiscal year of lawsuits against officers, and police misconduct cost Oakland, CA more than $13 million in fiscal year 2011.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it would be cheaper to fire the thugs than it is to pay the lawsuits they rack up...

the cop that sprayed the UC Davis kids with pepper spray just got a 38,000 dollar workmens comp claim settlemtent... the kids he sprayed supposedly got 30,000$ ea
 


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