It appears that you are just trying to keep this thread alive that you started!
-
No, that is not the point. I know it hurts for some people to see what they are supporting. Now there are reports of these groups making home made weapons for use on police.
Also, in occupy Oakland they were waving islamic banners....in arabic. I just remember how this board trashed the people who attended the tea party rallies. The only problems they had were people who dont agree with their political views. Here, we have the opposite side of the people spectrum.
Tea party is full of farmers, ranchers, business owners, retirees, and people from a generation that came from hard work.
occupy wall st represents the opposite. TB is breaking out in camps, urine bottles everywhere, rapes continue to be reported, assaults, trashing everything, its just getting ugly. It IS ugly.
Then, when someone says "look at how these people are behaving". Then the response is "well who cares when wall st did this and that". So the violence and rape is justified because of our political situation.
Thats like saying Joe Paterno is allowed to not report sexual abuse by a man on little boys because it would harm the football program. The ends justify the means. Thats another thing, people are crying and rioting over paterno leaving. REALLY? I mean the guy knew what was going on and just turned a blind eye, but he gets a pass because of the football program?
This nations moral compass is broken. All in the name of "being progressive". Well if occupy wall st....throwing chairs through starbucks windows is progressive then I want nothing of it. Same thing with these judges who protect sex offenders.
Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
I just remember how this board trashed the people who attended the tea party rallies. The only problems they had were people who dont agree with their political views. Here, we have the opposite side of the people spectrum.
actually cash, the case against the Tparty people was made here over political disagreemnets while you are not even discussing the political validity of the "Occupy" movement. The TParty IS Palin, Perry ,Beck, Bachman and none of them are viable candidates...
instead yo have focused on what the media wants you too..
remeber the Media is all big corporations.. they are Wall St...
i don't see any "occupy party" candidates....
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise. Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
this kind of thing happens all thre time, you cannot keep the derelicts out, the derelicts don't represent the people who really care.
the "need" for an oocupy movement is because Congress is owned by corporate AMERICA, AND IT WON'T GO AWAY jut cuz the cops moved the protesters on....
Newly sprung ex-cons and vagrants rousted from other parks are crashing the Occupy Wall Street protest, where gourmet meals are free and boozy, drug fueled parties are on tap, the movement’s leaders griped yesterday.
“They’re telling people who leave prison to go to Zuccotti Park,” lamented Daniel Zetah, a leader of the OWS community-relations group.
Volunteer Lauren Digioia, 26, said, “We have drug dealing going on here, gang activity, public intoxication. There are a lot of instigators. There are a lot of vultures.
“Everyone knows we give out free food and sleeping bags, and it’s a perfect opportunity for squatters.”
Digioia said she recently met a man who just before getting sprung from Rikers, was told by a fellow inmate to hit Zuccotti for the free accommodations.
The frustrated organizers said they’re brainstorming how to launch a protest within the protest to target the drunken, stoned layabouts.
The derelicts, organizers say, are terrorizing people who are there to support the movement.
“There’s a lot of drugs, alcohol, assault [and] theft [by] the homeless groups coming in. We’ve had meetings all day to brainstorm what to do,’’ said Zetah, 34.
The hardened thugs are having a field day preying on overly trusting protesters, many of whom hail from small towns, leaders said.
posted
Five Reasons Why Veterans Are Part Of The 99 Percent
By Lee Fang on Nov 11, 2011 at 11:30 am
Veterans protest with the 99 Percent near Wall Street The 99 Percent Movement has attracted students, labor unions, unemployed workers, teachers, artists, singers, writers, former real estate brokers, political activists, people who have given up on the traditional political system, and thousands more. But a growing contingent seen at Occupy Wall Street solidarity protests all across the country are veterans.
The signs of a veterans movement are everywhere, from new groups dedicated to supporting veterans in the occupy movement, to thousands of veterans showing up at street actions. And despite condescending rhetoric from the right-wing media, veterans have every reason to be there:
1.) Veterans Deserve Economic Justice: Thousands of veterans returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are finding a grim job market. Veterans who served since 9/11 experience a 12.1% unemployment rate, which is higher than the national average, while one in three male veterans are jobless. Recent reports have showed that the number of homeless veterans is surging, while there are insufficient job placement programs.
2.) Veterans Embrace Occupy Wall Street Out Of Love For Country: A growing number of veterans groups are enthusiastically embracing the movement. Although some are demonstrating against a terrible economic conditions, many are doing so out of simple patriotism. Thousands have marched near Zuccotti Park and at other occupy encampments with a message about taking their country back from the grip of lobbyists and predatory financial institutions. One iconic sign, held by a veteran at Occupy Wall Street, summed up the sentiment: “Second time I’ve fought for my country. First time I’ve known my enemy.”
3.) The Banks Are Preying On Veterans: Big banks have found ways to rip off and ruin the men and women who placed their lives on the line for this country. According to a recent whistleblower lawsuit, some of the nation’s biggest banks, including Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and J.P. Morgan Chase, “defrauded veterans and taxpayers out of hundreds of millions of dollars by disguising illegal fees in veterans’ home refinancing loans.” Fly-by-night scam for-profit universities, many of which are owned by Wall Street investment banks, heavily target veterans with fraudulent educational programs. While military families struggle to get by all over the country, defense contractor CEO’s earn as much as $19 million a year.
4.) K Street Domination Of Government Means Defense Money Goes To War Profiteering Corporations Over Veterans: America spends more on the military than most of our rival nations combined. Yet much of that money, because of the influence of defense contractors and other private military interests, is spent on expensive weapons we never use instead of on rank and file soldiers. Revolving door lobbyists, who go from the Pentagon to K Street firms, have secured over a trillion in wasteful spending to companies like Lockheed Martin.
5.) During The Economic Downturn, Veterans Programs Are Being Cut And Privatized As Well: As Republicans and their allies have succeeded so far in pushing an austerity agenda of massive government cuts, veterans have also been targeted. According to a recent analysis by Military.com of a CBO study outlining suggested cuts, Congress is debating proposals to cap military basic pay and limiting veterans health benefits. Notably, the Defense Business Board is also considering a move to privatize the military pension program, swapping it out with a 401k system. If there is another crisis on Wall Street, veterans could lose see their retirement benefits wiped out if such a system is put in place.
In many cases, veterans have been the most visible victims of police brutality: like in Boston, where police violently raided a group of peaceful veterans occupying a city plaza, and in Oakland, where police fractured the skull of Scott Olson, an Iraq veteran, with a shot from a projectile aimed at protesters.
Occupy Wall Street solidarity protests will hold Veterans Day events to stand with veterans in cities across America, from Colorado Springs to San Diego, to Syracuse, to Chicago, to Denver, to Missoula, to Sacramento, to Gainesville, and beyond.
-------------------- Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. Posts: 3827 | From: beautiful California | Registered: Sep 2008
| IP: Logged |
Today is Veterans Day, a day to honor the men and women serving in the U.S. armed forces. Sadly, this year’s Veterans Day falls on the same week as the release of a new study showing that veterans not only make up a disproportionate percentage of the homeless population, but also stay homeless for longer. In fact, “on average, veterans were homeless for 5.7 years while others reported that they were homeless for 3.9 years.”
The Center for American Progress has put together this list showing the unfortunate facts behind veterans’ homelessness, illustrating the struggle that the men and women of the armed forces face when they return home:
50 percent: Rate at which veterans are more likely than other Americans to become homeless. The Obama administration has set a goal of ending veteran homelessness by 2015.
About 75,000: Number of veterans who are homeless on any given night, according to estimates from the Veterans Administration.
About 20,000: Number of veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan who were homeless in the past five years according to the Veterans Administration.
5.5 percent: Percentage of homeless vets who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan in the overall homeless population, according to the Veterans Administration.
This Veteran’s Day, spare a though for those vets who served their country and yet still spend the night out on the streets. See here for more numbers illustrating “the challenges that confront our service members and veterans before, during, and after deployments, from combat stress injuries to unemployment.”
-------------------- Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. Posts: 3827 | From: beautiful California | Registered: Sep 2008
| IP: Logged |
Of course vets feel that way, but I dont go too easy on it. Many vets should be able to show much greater strength. You have the GI Bill which the NEW one that was passed is amazing.
The new GI bill gives you BAH at E-5 WITH dependents in your zip code, AND pays for books and tuition. All you need to do is show up, and then they combine that with student loans all they have to do is go to class and get at least Cs and they are golden.
Not to mention all the help disabled vets get.
_________________________________________________
How is what RayBond posted above possible with all these great benefits that veterans recieve.
All these veterans have to do is apply for them and their home free, they also have a great job placement center at the VA.
With all the money they receive from all the programs thay should be sitting with the big boys at wall street, not sleeping in the streets and protesting against the system that made them rich.
posted
They dont get THAT much money iwish. The benefits for veterans are great foot in the door tools. Its on the veteran to create something or become successful.
I didnt expect to be handed a job just because I am a vet. You have to work towards it.
There are plenty of veteran CEOs of companies. Some people just dont want to take risks, or try that hard to create something great.
BTW, new news today from the new flea party movement, just sick. These people are pissing me off.
"Five people at the Occupy L.A. encampment have been charged with separate crimes, including a man who allegedly exposed himself and commited a sex act in front of a child, officials said Tuesday."
I sure hope all of you who have children and continuously defend these out of control occupation movements are concerned.
Every city...story after story about rapes, assaults, disease spreading, sanitation issues, etc
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so. Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
"these occupy" people are not the ones that are the criminals. it's the criminals that exist all the time showing up for a "party".....
it's happened throughout history this way... even in Rome:
glass, I will check it out for sure and I am not disagreeing with you on why this event is happening. Did you see how the Tea Party protested though? They got their people elected into office as opposed to what this occupy movement is doing. You might not like who they got in, but they went about it the smart way. The problem is that I personally am not a fan of the tea party in the republican party because they want to stall on many things and not compromise.
As a republican, they should be able to agree upon the tax code going back up to 39 percent for the uber rich. At the same TIME close all the tax loopholes and end the subsidies for large corporations of various industries. Massive spending cuts must also take place. With the two extremes addressed and the budget put back in order then begin tax reform...real tax reform. How many pages is the total IRS code again?
If we could cut spending, allow the tax rate to go back to clinton era, and close the loopholes we would solve a lot of problems. Then there would be more money to spend on education and infrastructure. It takes both sides to compromise and I think Obama was up for massive cuts, and to open up new lands for oil and gas drilling (domestic). The house speaker and the new tea partiers said no way as long as they want the tax rate to move.
Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
Did you see how the Tea Party protested though?
yes, i saw them show up at town hall parties and complain loudly to their elected reps about how Obamacare would cut their medicare.....
guess what? we cannot afford to keep paying medicare at the rates we are....
i know a congressman that was hung in effigy outside his own office...
the whole time they were protesting, they were saying they had to be peaceful.. Beck repeatd it over and over again.. because h knew he was creating a situation where just one whiff of violence would set off alot more....
the "occupy" movement was not designed to be "political have you listened to any the coherent ones? they don't have a list of "demands", they don't support Obama--they are fed up with both parties...
the Tparty has multiple factions too. there are the get rid of Obama at any cost groups and there's the real libertarians, and then you have the cut govt regualtions cuz they cost too much money groups (Koch's contribution)... but govt govt regulations do creat jobs, i've shown you that over and over again... they create jobs for all kinds of people...
i want to repeat this part again. The media not exclusively on the internet IS Wall St.- Even Fox is a publicly traded company thru Newsgroup....
the media does not support "occupy"
NPR/NPTV? even they are funded by politicians AND by big business... heck i was watching Nova (on public TV) the other night and saw it is funded (in part) by David Koch- that's the younger of the Koch Bros who are the major funders of the TParty....
i don't really see anybody here "defending" any of the bad behaviuour going on at "occupy"...
but i do beleivie in the 1st ammendment....
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise. Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
| IP: Logged |
"They dont get THAT much money iwish. The benefits for veterans are great foot in the door tools. Its on the veteran to create something or become successful.
I didnt expect to be handed a job just because I am a vet. You have to work towards it.
There are plenty of veteran CEOs of companies. Some people just dont want to take risks, or try that hard to create something great.
BTW, new news today from the new flea party movement, just sick. These people are pissing me off.
"Five people at the Occupy L.A. encampment have been charged with separate crimes, including a man who allegedly exposed himself and commited a sex act in front of a child, officials said Tuesday."
I sure hope all of you who have children and continuously defend these out of control occupation movements are concerned." _________________________________________________
I know CashCowMoo veterans don't get that much, that was my point early on, it isn't bad if you are single as far as education benefits are concerned.
As far as disability is concerned, it can be decent with some disabilities and others it's disgusting how little they pay.
The more disability you get the less likely you are to be able to work or go to school or maybe do anything else having to do with quality of life.
Education benefits are there but it takes the right circumstances to be able to take advantage of them, as is the case for school grants etc.
As far as disability is concerned, some veterans are not even capable of fighting the system to get benefits, let alone file for them.(lots of depression out there, etc)
I know there are veterans groups and in recent years lawyers to help get some benefits for veterans, but that is whole separate story there.
One of the points in the discussion has to do with the opportunities that are out there for all and the reason there should not be protests against the big boys system.
There are always chances to move up the ladder at anything, some of these opportunities are available through dumb luck, sometimes it has to do with how much we push in the right direction, who we know, who our parents are, etc. etc.
Different people have different situations that can hinder them from getting ahead.
I have never thought that because i got ahead at something that everyone else should be able to do the same thing.
Especially since being in the service and seeing and knowing many indivuals that had to fight a big uphill battle to stay on top of the little things, just because of their backgrounds and how and where they were raised.
The bottom line here is that over the last 20+ years the average middle class person, (not addressing the lower class person) chances of getting ahead even with all these other factors included have been diminished greatly.
And that would include those who think they are on top of the situation. Their chances of getting ahead anymore are slim because the big boys what to much control of the game and they don't pass much down the ladder to us, they have not for a long time.
They want everyone to believe that all these great opportunities do exist for every indivual just like our constitution reads, like it was in the past.
In the mean time the big boys, take most off the top side for their families and close friends, while trying to get some loyal followers to spread the word on how great the opportunities are that they have created for all and put down anyone who says otherwise
They want us to praise them for their gift to humanity while sticking it to us at the same time.
And some people wonder why there are protests.
As far as indivuals breaking the law as in rapes etc.
Do you think that when you start having these large gathering's of people that small percentages of people are not going to have their own agenda's that are intermixed.
Probably it's the big boys paying these indivuals to break the laws so they can take more money from us and make the protesters look bad...conspiracy theory.
posted
Reporters For Right-Wing Publication Daily Caller Beaten By NYPD, Helped By Protesters
By Zaid Jilani posted from ThinkProgress Special Topic on Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm
The Daily Caller's Michelle Fields faced abuse from the NYPD and help from protesters. The right-wing Daily Caller website has been anything but kind to Occupy Wall Street, even going so far as to condemn the protest movement as generating riots, murder, and arson.
But when a couple of Daily Caller employees were at Occupy Wall Street this morning, it was the very protesters they had been demonizing who ended up helping them out. Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields — who faced off with actor Matt Damon earlier this year over education policy — and videographer Direna Cousins both claim they were attacked by the New York Police Department (NYPD) while covering the raucous protests in the Financial District today. Fields added that Occupy Wall Street protesters immediately came up to her to offer their help:
“Direna had a camera in her hand and I had a microphone, and we were being hit,” she said. “When I fell to the ground I said at one point, ‘I’m just covering this! I’m covering this!’ And the officer just said, ‘Come on, get up, get up,’ before pulling me up by my jacket.’” “The protesters came up to me right away and asked if I needed any medical assistance. They were actually very kind and helpful. It was the police officers who were very aggressive,” Fields added.
Fields says that protesters right now are effectively “barricaded” in Zuccotti Park, which was the spot from which they were ousted from on Tuesday
-------------------- Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. Posts: 3827 | From: beautiful California | Registered: Sep 2008
| IP: Logged |
posted
Today seems to be a pretty big day for the movement, they are scrambling all over many cities. Its actually neat to watch them picketing and beating drums chanting. I see they fly the American flag upside down now too. Not too fond of that.
You know, if these people just policed their own crowds more and cleaned up after themselves it wouldnt be so bad. They are just making everyone mad now.
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so. Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by raybond: Reporters For Right-Wing Publication Daily Caller Beaten By NYPD, Helped By Protesters
By Zaid Jilani posted from ThinkProgress Special Topic on Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm
The Daily Caller's Michelle Fields faced abuse from the NYPD and help from protesters. The right-wing Daily Caller website has been anything but kind to Occupy Wall Street, even going so far as to condemn the protest movement as generating riots, murder, and arson.
But when a couple of Daily Caller employees were at Occupy Wall Street this morning, it was the very protesters they had been demonizing who ended up helping them out. Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields — who faced off with actor Matt Damon earlier this year over education policy — and videographer Direna Cousins both claim they were attacked by the New York Police Department (NYPD) while covering the raucous protests in the Financial District today. Fields added that Occupy Wall Street protesters immediately came up to her to offer their help:
“Direna had a camera in her hand and I had a microphone, and we were being hit,” she said. “When I fell to the ground I said at one point, ‘I’m just covering this! I’m covering this!’ And the officer just said, ‘Come on, get up, get up,’ before pulling me up by my jacket.’” “The protesters came up to me right away and asked if I needed any medical assistance. They were actually very kind and helpful. It was the police officers who were very aggressive,” Fields added.
Fields says that protesters right now are effectively “barricaded” in Zuccotti Park, which was the spot from which they were ousted from on Tuesday
That's the genuine protesters in action, not the infiltrators.
posted
smart tactic by the police to barricade them into certain areas. Not sure it will work for the long run.
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so. Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
Yeah glass that is what it is SUPPOSED to mean, but after watching these people urinate, defecate, and burn the American flag in public I am betting a MAJORITY of these people who are flying it upside down are doing it thinking it means down with America type of mentality.
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so. Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Yeah glass that is what it is SUPPOSED to mean, but after watching these people urinate, defecate, and burn the American flag in public I am betting a MAJORITY of these people who are flying it upside down are doing it thinking it means down with America type of mentality.
I haven't seen any of that......
-------------------- jordan Posts: 5812 | From: st paul,mn | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged |
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so. Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
no I haven't ...don't drink champagne....the protests i have seen..and i participated here in st paul..were totally peaceful,clean, and respectful. These protesters want change, I thought you did too.This isn't a political movement, its not left against right...yet you take that position. I don't get you...you are a young man yet u seem like an old george wallace type...Your version of the protests are flat out wrong.
-------------------- jordan Posts: 5812 | From: st paul,mn | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
I know this is not a left vs right, but the left wants everyone to take these protesters with open arms. When the Tea Party was going around it was a whole different type of coverage. I cant believe people are still in denial about this.
Not ALL occupy groups are trashy, but thats just because their numbers are so much smaller.
I dont have a problem with the message, I have a problem with the messenger.
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so. Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I know this is not a left vs right, but the left wants everyone to take these protesters with open arms. When the Tea Party was going around it was a whole different type of coverage. I cant believe people are still in denial about this.
Not ALL occupy groups are trashy, but thats just because their numbers are so much smaller.
I dont have a problem with the message, I have a problem with the messenger.
LOL.... the messengers that the corporate media picks for you to see....
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise. Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
I have seen the "happy" side of this glass on Rachel Maddow (the mecca for this forum it seems).
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so. Posts: 6949 | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I have seen the "happy" side of this glass on Rachel Maddow (the mecca for this forum it seems).
i don't watch her, so i have no idea what she says about them. i have kids that are not "occupying", but thru them, and their friends on facebook and other online media, i keep up with what they are doing. I support responsible protests even when i don't agree with their political views, because that's how our country was founded to run... peaceful assembly was how our Revolution started wasn't it?
i don't need anybody to tell me how screwed up Wall St is cash, if you recall, i've tried my best to splain what i've been able to figure out what has been going on.
the bankers have US taxpayers over a barrel. i defended the bailouts cuz i don't want to have to forage for food, but i don't like them... get it, necessary evil and all of that in order to keep the fabric of society from being shredded?
i expected alot more peopl to go to jail, and i don't mean madoff ponzi scammers, i mean peopel who lied to invstors about the quality of mortgage bonds, and their derivatives... it was Fraud.
what has haoppened is that this country has been robeed by the Enron trading group... after Enron failed they all went out into other areas of trading and reamed everything. you should know this.
if the cops are not willing to enforce the law for the protestors, but willing to enforce it against them? the cops will lose in the end too...
there is no "core" of the occupy movement. no list o'demands, no political party affiliation.
YOU want them to be on 'bama's side or on liberals side cuz you see what you want to see....
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise. Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
the TParty movement had all kinds of crazy people and signs too, i ignored them rather than post them here over and over again; i focus(ed) on the issues nott he "messengers" as you openly admit. It seems that you don't even understand the implications of your admission... people "expressing their right to bear arms" was one recurring theme at the TParty protests. i own plenty of guns, but i don't feel compelled to strap 'em on and go to a protest and people who do that are looking for trouble...
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise. Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
| IP: Logged |
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
Printer-friendly view of this topic
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Were Down]](graemlins/weredown.gif)
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
and people who do that are looking for trouble...
