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Clearly, *some* big name winner is going to have to buck the tide and accept no big-money donations--or at least, only in the 40 % range. Otherwise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUO8ScYVeDo

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quote:
Originally posted by buckstalker:
#1. OK Term limits then...2 terms max and we as their employers set their wages based on performance...
Pensions - ZERO

#2 & #3. I, along with most Americans have never received any "free money" from my employer towards retirement and neither should congress

#4. See #1

#5. You don't see health care as a major expense??? You are joking right?
I challenge you to get a few quotes on healthcare coverage for your family.

#6. Demand that congress be held accountable for any laws that they break

Maybe not pensions zero, but pensions in line with the rest of state and federal government workers would be a good thing.

The problem with two terms max is that you end up an average of 50% freshmen learning the system. The sincerity will hopefully be genuine in most but I can't imagine that most will be prepared to handle the economics of a national scale without time and a mentor. But that is a personal perception which I could be wrong on.

#2/3: No? It's called a company match and or pension. You can say "I worked for that money" but the truth of the matter is it amounts to the same thing as government retirement plans if not to the same scale.

5: Healthcare. There are 100 members of the Senate and 435 member in congress. No. I do not see their healthcare as a significant cost to the individual taxpayer in a nation even if the plan is gold plated. I have already stipulated that the ideology behind it is worthy of debate however.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by buckstalker:
#1. OK Term limits then...2 terms max and we as their employers set their wages based on performance...
Pensions - ZERO

#2 & #3. I, along with most Americans have never received any "free money" from my employer towards retirement and neither should congress

#4. See #1

#5. You don't see health care as a major expense??? You are joking right?
I challenge you to get a few quotes on healthcare coverage for your family.

#6. Demand that congress be held accountable for any laws that they break

Maybe not pensions zero, but pensions in line with the rest of state and federal government workers would be a good thing.

The problem with two terms max is that you end up an average of 50% freshmen learning the system. The sincerity will hopefully be genuine in most but I can't imagine that most will be prepared to handle the economics of a national scale without time and a mentor. But that is a personal perception which I could be wrong on.

#2/3: No? It's called a company match and or pension. You can say "I worked for that money" but the truth of the matter is it amounts to the same thing as government retirement plans if not to the same scale.

5: Healthcare. There are 100 members of the Senate and 435 member in congress. No. I do not see their healthcare as a significant cost to the individual taxpayer in a nation even if the plan is gold plated. I have already stipulated that the ideology behind it is worthy of debate however.

OK, I'll give you pensions, but only after 10 or more years of service...

In return I want Term Limits (2 terms)...I would rather have 50% freshman, than a house full of "good ole boys" that have corrupted the system They don't make very good mentors anyway...
(this also takes care of the pension problem) [Wink]

#2/3: Most Americans today are not getting a "company match" or a pension, and neither will Congress under the new Bigfoot/Buckstalker Act

#5 Healthcare...it's not about "how much" the taxpayers have to fork over to pay for Congress Mens/Womens healthcare...It's about how much they have to pay for their own...

I think we got her nailed down...

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Originally Posted By The Bigfoot:

"The problem with two terms max is that you end up an average of 50% freshmen learning the system. The sincerity will hopefully be genuine in most but I can't imagine that most will be prepared to handle the economics of a national scale without time and a mentor. But that is a personal perception which I could be wrong on."

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I agree with Buckstalker completely on this one... not that it matters

These elected officials get into office for awhile and become part of the system and not the good part, it seems the longer their in the worse it gets.

I think they feel that laying back on the job and getting along with the big boys and girls(senior members)is the right thing to do.

Then they spend the rest of their time figuring the best way to get re-elected, some of which has to do with the big boys.

If they had a two term limit hopefully they would be more eager to work on the things that they promised to the people when they got elected.

After the first term they would know there is no point in worrying about a second term thus spending their time trying to get the right things done and not concentrating mostly on their re-election.


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Cantor Cancels Income Inequality Speech After Learning It Will Be Open To The Public. | House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has abruptly canceled a speech planned for this afternoon at the University of Pennsylvania that was meant to lay out the GOP’s plans to address income inequality. While the university gave no reason for the cancellation, CNN is reporting that Cantor canceled after the university decided to make the speech open to the public. Cantor had signed up for a “selected audience.” The speech was seen as a response to the 99 Percent movement, and Occupy Philadelphia had organized a march from City Hall to the school. The march will still go on, as one of the the messages was that he refused to meet with his constituents to talk about jobs.

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quote:
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Cantor Cancels Income Inequality Speech After Learning It Will Be Open To The Public. | House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has abruptly canceled a speech planned for this afternoon at the University of Pennsylvania that was meant to lay out the GOP’s plans to address income inequality. While the university gave no reason for the cancellation, CNN is reporting that Cantor canceled after the university decided to make the speech open to the public. Cantor had signed up for a “selected audience.” The speech was seen as a response to the 99 Percent movement, and Occupy Philadelphia had organized a march from City Hall to the school. The march will still go on, as one of the the messages was that he refused to meet with his constituents to talk about jobs.

Nothing new here. The Obama admin has done this many times already. I dont blame Cantor though...even though I think it should be open. Bunch of people will show up yelling and shouting and beating drums. Lib wackos do it, and the TP did it during the health care debate.

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lots wrong here eric cantor is a yellow swine

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Speaking of swine, look who showed up in Chicago.

Bill Ayers!


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This is sad...see....this doesnt happy at tea party rallies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gGFeJ6gmJAE#!

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
This is sad...see....this doesnt happy at tea party rallies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?................................................... ...........feature=player_embedded&v=gGFeJ6gmJAE#!

Posted on examiner.com, owned by Anschutz Company, owned by 1%er billionaire Philip Anschutz, has funded a number of ultra-conservative and/or Christian organizations. No source of person interviewed or interviewerer. Examiner.com has very little if any fact checking of their sources and encourage random people to post stories

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What doesn't happen? People acting to care for their own? She's describing bad behavior of infiltrators. There's been reports of police encouraging nee'r do wells from other places in the city to "Take it to Zucotti," then ignoring reports of bad behavior.

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My local city interviewed our own "occupy" protesters and there has been rapes here too, rampant drug and alcohol use. Local leaders are moving on action after the 99% of the population has been complaining about the above stated as well as trash being left all over to blow around. Its becoming a gathering of counter culture. This reminds me of the hippies I read about.

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OK Granpa moo whatever you say...

the hippies were being drafted to go fight in a jungle, they had a pretty good reason to "counter" culture [Wink]


Govt sponsored "trash" blowing around?
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or hippie "trash" just blowing around?

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eihter way? you have a mess....

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Well, get out there and help, like these other vets:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/veterans-join-occupy-wall-street_n_1071 751.html

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this is promising (after a quick scan--haven't read it all):

http://www.truth-out.org/thank-you-message-world-business-academy-occupy-wall-st reet/1320177641

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this article is instersting:
Cioffi & Tannin, Bankers That Broke The World, Part 1&2
On May 31st, Matt asked Ralph which return to give to one of the major investors, the -6.5% or the -18.97?

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http://mandelman.ml-implode.com/2009/10/cioffi-tannin-future-household-names-if- anyone-still-owns-a-house-in-the-future/

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Police Tell Banker To Move Out Of The Country If He Objects To Protesters’ Right To Free Speech

By Zaid Jilani on Nov 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm


This Saturday has been decreed “Bank Transfer Day” by 99 Percent activists. On that day, Americans are encouraged to move their money from the nation’s large banking institutions to community banks and credit unions — a way to both strike at the political and economic power of the nation’s megabanks and empower local economies.

Over at DailyKos, user marvinborg recounts how he was handing out flyers about moving money at a local Bank of America branch. Soon after he arrived there, the branch’s manager came out and started to suggest marvinborg worked for a credit union or that he was unemployed and should “get a job.” Before long, two police officers arrived, after being called by the Bank of America.

One of the officers asked marvinborg if he was trespassing. He responded that he has simply been handing out flyers on the sidewalk. One of the officers then turned to the bank manager and amazingly scolded him for calling the police over an act of free speech, even telling him that he should move out of the country if he objects to the first amendment:


OFFICER: He has the right to speak and the right to hand out flyers. Unless he blocks you or causes a disturbance, he has the right to be here – please don’t call the police again if he is not bothering you. If you don’t like free speech you should move to another country.

For information on how you can move your money, see the Move Your Money project here.

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Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:

"Its becoming a gathering of counter culture. This reminds me of the hippies I read about."
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Seems like the topic goes backwards weren't we here(above) back a ways.

What do you think will get their attention? (the ones running the system)

Nothing so far has done a thing except make a greater difference between the average american, whatever that is and the upper end.


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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
My local city interviewed our own "occupy" protesters and there has been rapes here too, rampant drug and alcohol use. Local leaders are moving on action after the 99% of the population has been complaining about the above stated as well as trash being left all over to blow around. Its becoming a gathering of counter culture. This reminds me of the hippies I read about.

Cash...I luv ya man, but you have got to do me a huge favor first thing tomorrow morning...

As soon as you wake up I want you to sit at the edge of your bed, relax for a moment, then with one swift move...pull your head out of your azz and look around...DON'T watch Fox News or CNN, DON'T listen to your local news, but instead look at your family, look at your neighbors, talk to your friends, see what is really going on around you right now...

I am sure if you take my advice, tomorrow you will see things much more clearly than you did today.

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pathetic

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650,000 Americans Joined Credit Unions Last Month — More Than In All Of 2010 Combined

By Zaid Jilani on Nov 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm


One of the tactics the 99 Percenters are using to take back the country from the 1 percent is to move their money from big banks to credit unions, community banks, and other smaller financial unions that aren’t gambling with our nation’s future.

Now, the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) reports that a whopping 650,000 Americans have joined credit unions since Sept. 29 — the date that Bank of America announced it would start charging a $5 monthly debit fee, a move it backed down on this week.

To put that in perspective, there were only 600,000 new members for credit unions in all of 2010. “These results indicate that consumers are clearly making a smarter choice by moving to credit unions where, on average, they will save about $70 a year in fewer or no fees, lower rates on loans and higher return on savings,” said CUNA President Bill Cheney.

This Saturday, 99 Percenters are calling on Americans to move their money from big banks to credit unions and community banks on what is being called “Bank Transfer Day.” If you want to stand with the 99 Percent and take part in this action, use the Move Your Money project’s community bank and credit union finder tool to find out how. (HT: @blogdiva)

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Mark Horn · Works at Middleton Fire Department

This is a great first step. Next steps: move your insurance to a mutual company; look for the Union Label when you shop; buy local and finally buy American. The 99% still controls 2/3 of total spending in the US. Make the few bucks you have count.


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let's take a step back and listen to this situation from a distance....can you hear the echo?
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Federal reserve notes are "legal tender"-WTF is legal tender you ask? [Wink]

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quote:
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let's take a step back and listen to this situation from a distance....can you hear the echo?
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Federal reserve notes are "legal tender"-WTF is legal tender you ask? [Wink]

You must have been watching Brad Meltzer's show the other night.

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no, but i may have been talking with someone else who was...
i started studying what i could about the depression in '05 when i started hearing about high leverage rates like 12 to one, never guessing that 12 to one was actually very low compared to what was really going on behind the vault doors...

the ron paul people are a little off kilter in their goals, but they sure are fun to listen too...

i've always beleived we need to be on a global gold standard. but the bankers would have to live like 'normal people" if we did [Big Grin]

i dunno how we get to one from where we are right now withuot a lot of pain, but we are going to have to go thru alot of pain no matter what [Wink]

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I am calling for an occupy allstocks. I want allstocks to pay my student loans!

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I am calling for an occupy allstocks. I want allstocks to pay my student loans!

kinda funny,, but you're missing the point. Not many young folks, as yourself, are as for the establishment as you . its sad. I want to have more faith in your generation. Happily, most of your age group don't feel as you.

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What? What exaclty is it that "my generation" should be doing? Are you talking about the million plus Iraq and Afghan vets? We have men coming home from intense combat only to see violence back at home. These groups are shelling out what they really want...chaos. The poison is spreading. Many vets go to the Oakland Police Department and now 99% of the population is under attack and assault by this freak show.

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Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:

"What? What exaclty is it that "my generation" should be doing? Are you talking about the million plus Iraq and Afghan vets? We have men coming home from intense combat only to see violence back at home. These groups are shelling out what they really want...chaos. The poison is spreading. Many vets go to the Oakland Police Department and now 99% of the population is under attack and assault by this freak show."
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You seem to be taking a protest against what's going on in our economy and against our establishment and somehow trying to direct it else where.

Vets of all generations that are still trying to work and live are effected by the upper level income people that are controlling this country and not for the better of the majority.

These protests and actions are not directed at the vets even though some can be caught on both sides depending on their beliefs.

This is a far cry from what was a separate issue in the sixties directed at Vietnam Vets, which i assume you are somehow trying to referance from what you are saying.

There are some people that have probably taken jobs where they are caught in between even though they might believe in these protests. (police departments, wall street etc.)

Many times we take jobs where you can get a job not necessarily where you want or even really like, i know that feeling!


I also believe there are far far more vets that believe they are being cheated by the system, especially when they get out of the service and find there are no jobs, or very low paying ones that they cannot live on because of the high prices.


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Of course vets feel that way, but I dont go too easy on it. Many vets should be able to show much greater strength. You have the GI Bill which the NEW one that was passed is amazing.

The new GI bill gives you BAH at E-5 WITH dependents in your zip code, AND pays for books and tuition. All you need to do is show up, and then they combine that with student loans all they have to do is go to class and get at least Cs and they are golden.

Not to mention all the help disabled vets get.

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Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:

"Of course vets feel that way, but I dont go too easy on it. Many vets should be able to show much greater strength. You have the GI Bill which the NEW one that was passed is amazing.

The new GI bill gives you BAH at E-5 WITH dependents in your zip code, AND pays for books and tuition. All you need to do is show up, and then they combine that with student loans all they have to do is go to class and get at least Cs and they are golden.

Not to mention all the help disabled vets get.
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I am not sure what you are saying, it appears to me that some of your posts counter others of your posts.

These vets all have great benefits, but are they in a situation to use them, are they capable of fighting the system to get some of them.(disabilty) How many have families which makes it very hard to go back to school.

All they got to do is cash in on all these benefits and their home free for the rest of their lives.

Granted they could help temporarily depending on their conditions and their expenses.

But bottom line is that many people not only vets have a hugh uphill battle to stay above ground with the costs and the hugh expenses that occur in this days economy, no matter what kind of benefits they may be able to receive.(state or federal disability, VA, college assistance-VA or other)

Degrees are not the answer today, although they will help you get an edge on the other people that are buying for the same jobs with no degree, which there are fewer and fewer of...jobs


These are part of the points they are protesting and many of these problems and more, have been created by big money.

Seems like your trying any angle to convince us that these protesters are the bad guys and establishment are the good guys, are you really sure you believe that?

It should be easy to convince us here, since many of us posting right now are in not in our thirties anymore and should be swaying towards the establishment side, because that's what older guys do in general when they get older.

But that does not seem to be the case.

I think most are fed up with the greed they have created and what they are creating for the next generation and many to come if we don't reverse the trend.

Hopefully it doesn't have to go beyond protests to get the point, otherwise were all in for some real bad times.


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Roger Waters - Occupy

"Why aren't people going to prison?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xtaZI7grys&feature=related

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http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/11/07/occupy-dc-goons-push-eld erly-woman-down-stairs

There is a link to a elderly woman getting shoved down the stairs by these freaks.


Protesters assaulting mcdonalds employees for not giving out free food. My goodness the list of crimes coming out of these groups is so foul and evil. I cant believe people and so many of you here trash the Tea Party, but you give these losers a pass because they remind you of when you were growing up in the 60s or whenever. These losers get a pass because they "fight the system".

Makes me sick. Maybe more people should VOTE instead of complain, then I might take them more seriously. Im not talking about being herded up in large groups in urban core areas and bused to the polls by special interest groups tied to one party like we saw in 2008


You know what? When I was in Ramadi in 2005 we had elections in what was known as the most violent and dangerous city in the world at that time. We were attacked daily, and the citizens of Ar Ramadi in the sunni triangle were threatened by the insurgent groups that if they left their homes to vote on election day then they would be killed. More people showed up to vote on election day per capita than in the United States for elections. I f I remember correctly the numbers were double who showed up facing death.

We cant even get 60% of the population to vote here in the United States. So when actual voters show up to protest and rally...actual taxpayers and they get smeared left and right because they dont agree with Obama and a liberal ideology.....then these freak shows show up in these large groups...pretty much micro woodstocks all over the country and assault people, trash parks, and firebomb vehicles...somehow "they are just standing up to corporate greed".

Im sure it reminds all of the older liberals just how much fun sex drugs and rock and roll was back in the day...im sure it was great. This is a different breed of protesters.

If the media and the rest of the left keeps giving these freaks a pass its going to erupt into situations like south central after the rodney king beating.

I got news for you Obama fans, the energy that was there in 2008 is NOT going to be there in 2012. Obama is going to see a massive shift from Independents against him. His own liberal base is upset at him for not being liberal enough. AANNNDDD Bush hasnt been the President for years (although some people seem to think he still is).

Republicans can win with a half ass candidate this time around.

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