Protestors seem peaceful so thats cool. I may not like the scrubby protestors, but they do have a right to be there. What made me a bit peeved was watching the way the people on the balcony with the wine look at them. Very snooty, very elitist for sure.
Posted by buckstalker on :
"Scrubby Protestors"????
Sounds like you would fit in perfectly with the elitist scum on the balcony...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Looks like normal everyday casual wear to me, at least CA. style.
I am not sure i would be wearing a formal attire if i was protesting, of course each to his own style of trying to get a point across.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: "Scrubby Protestors"????
Sounds like you would fit in perfectly with the elitist scum on the balcony...
I probably would
Posted by Upside on :
CashCowAntoinette proclaims Let Them Eat Cake!
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: "Scrubby Protestors"????
Sounds like you would fit in perfectly with the elitist scum on the balcony...
I probably would
Of course you would! Every party needs somebody to clean up the mess afterwards!!! Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I'll take $50 an hour to clean up wine glasses and walk home drunk women no prob.
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I'll take $50 an hour to clean up wine glasses and walk home drunk women no prob.
I thought you already walked drunk women home for free every weekend? Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I'll take $50 an hour to clean up wine glasses and walk home drunk women no prob.
I thought you already walked drunk women home for free every weekend?
EVERY weekend? Man, I would love to have that kind of average going on.
You know, with these protestors and looking at the videos and pictures I noticed a few things. First, apparently none of them have jobs because they plan on sleeping and trashing the area for months. Also, a lot of them all have Iphones and Ipods I see them with. Thats funny, big business made those things and apple trades highly on the markets. Isnt Apple the most valuable companies on wall st? More cash on hand than the US Gov? CEO is not a bad word either.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"You know, with these protestors and looking at the videos and pictures I noticed a few things. First, apparently none of them have jobs because they plan on sleeping and trashing the area for months. Also, a lot of them all have Iphones and Ipods I see them with. Thats funny, big business made those things and apple trades highly on the markets. Isnt Apple the most valuable companies on wall st? More cash on hand than the US Gov? CEO is not a bad word either." _________________________________________________
You might be right, those protestors and many others (30-40%) of our workforce are all in the same situation... unemployed
Those men and women sipping their drinks in the balcony could soon be in the same situation if things don't turn around.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Looks like normal everyday casual wear to me, at least CA. style.
I am not sure i would be wearing a formal attire if i was protesting, of course each to his own style of trying to get a point across.
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Well there are plenty of photos and video now to show them. They tried shutting down a bridge the other day. These people are interested in chaos. They are trying to spread it all across the country.
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Looks like normal everyday casual wear to me, at least CA. style.
I am not sure i would be wearing a formal attire if i was protesting, of course each to his own style of trying to get a point across.
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These people are interested in chaos. They are trying to spread it all across the country.
Good!!! I hope more people join the fight against pompous pricks like...well, you know
Posted by glassman on :
hey cash, you need to read the Constitution again.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: These people are interested in chaos. They are trying to spread it all across the country.
same thing could be said of the US Congress, and the Tparty...
in other words? it's everywhere, get used to it, it's gonna get worse 'fore it gets better
Posted by glassman on :
Recently i heard someone ask Dave Ramsey if he should open an online trading account to build a stock portfolio.
His answer was NO! He is the very definition of fiscal conservatism. He may not agree with "protesting" on the streets, but he is surely protesting by telling his folllowers not to trade.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
You dont see Tea Partiers saying crap like this, but since its Rosie and shes far left...she gets a pass.
Roseanne Barr: Behead Bankers, Rich Who Won't Give Up Wealth
Meanwhile, lets keep calling Herman Cain an uncle tom, right? Big bad GOP!
Posted by glassman on :
who cares about rosie barr cash? i sure don't- and i surely am not going to waste my time clicking on that stupid video
in case you forgot? The Real Boston Tea Party was an extremely aggressive act aimed at a Corporation that had a special deal withe Crown of England. The east India Tea co. had a monopoly in tea trade.....
The Tea that disappeared that day,wherever it went was Private Property, and the people who made that tea disappear were dressed in costumes.
The TParty of Today is elected officials who are bonded very tightly to big biz.
The people that are marching on Wall St have much more in common withe real Boston Tea Partiers than the than the politicians in TParty have ever had.
Posted by glassman on :
Memo To The Media: It’s Not ‘Anti-Capitalist’ To Protest An Industry That Was Saved By Trillions Of Taxpayer Dollars
By Zaid Jilani on Oct 4, 2011 at 11:45 am
One of the most popular demands at Occupy Wall Street is to get Big Money out of politics. The occupation of Wall Street has now entered its third week and protests are spreading like wildfire throughout the country.
As the protests continue to grow, the media is increasingly taking notice. Yet many of these media outlets are insisting on referring to the protests as “anti-capitalist.” Here are just a few examples:
– The Washington Post: The leading paper wrote today that “New York’s budding anti-capitalism protest movement began last month with a vague sense of grievance over the widening gap between the rich and poor in America.” [10/3/11]
– Fox News: “Anti-Capitalist Protests Spread Across America” [10/3/11]
– The New York Daily News: In a photo slideshow published last week, the paper referred to the demonstrators as “anti-capitalist protesters” who were targeting “corporate greed.” [9/30/11]
– Mediaite: Mediaite referred to the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations as “vaguely left-wing, anti-capitalist protesters.” [10/01/11]
Even progressive outlets are referring to the protests as “anti-capitalist.”
This morning, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) advanced this meme. During an appearance on C-SPAN, West was asked about the protests. The congressman responded that it was wrong for the protesters to be saying they “hate capitalism” and that the United States would be “lost” without faith in the free market.
There are indeed some anti-capitalist protesters among the people at Occupy Wall Street, just as there are protesters who are against the death penalty, or want to combat climate change, or any number of other causes, which is the norm at most mass protests. Some of the protesters are even supporters of the ultra-capitalist Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).
But the actual organizing principle of the demonstrations is to speak with moral clarity of the economic inequality of our current system. The purpose is not to attack capitalism but rather an industry whose wealth was guarded to the hilt by government intervention — backed up by trillons of dollars of taxpayer money through programs like the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and near-zero interest Federal Reserve lending — a form of government intervention that the banking industry received but millions of foreclosed on homeowners and debt-laden students did not get.
During a teach-in at Zucotti Park, the site of the occupation, Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz explained that what Wall Street is practicing is “not capitalism.” “We are bearing the costs of their [bankers'] misdeeds,” he said. “There’s a system where we socialize losses and privatize gains. That’s not capitalism. That’s not a market economy. That’s a distorted economy, and if we continue with that, we won’t succeed in growing.” One of the popular viral offshoots of the Occupy Wall Street movement has been the slogan “We Are The 99 Percent” — referring to an economic struggle between 99 percent of Americans and the super-rich 1 percent. Hundreds of Americans have contributed to the We Are The 99 Percent Tumblr. These Americans aren’t Marxist radicals nor are they anti-capitalist ideologues. They, like most Americans, are angry about being squeezed by an unjust economy wrecked in part by Wall Street’s misdeeds.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: not bad either
yup, he was on it... that routine was off-putting to many people in its time. Now, they're starting to get it, too.
Posted by raybond on :
Top 5 Reasons Why The Occupy Wall Street Protests Embody Values Of The Real Boston Tea Party
By Lee Fang on Oct 3, 2011 at 7:30 pm
2011: Demonstrators stage civil disobedience protests against corporate control of America. 1773: Protester boards an East India Trading Company ship, dumps tea. In recent years, the Boston Tea Party has been associated with a right-wing movement that supports policies favoring powerful corporations and the wealthy. As ThinkProgress has reported, lobbyists and Republican front groups have driven the current manifestation of the Tea Party to push for giveaways to oil companies and big businesses.
However, the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations picking up momentum across the country better embody the values of the original Boston Tea Party. In the late 18th century, the British government became deeply entwined with the interests of the East India Trading Company, a massive conglomerate that counted British aristocracy as shareholders. Americans, upset with a government that used the colonies to enrich the East India Trading Company, donned Native American costumes and boarded the ships belonging to the company and destroyed the company’s tea. In the last two weeks, as protesters have gathered from New York to Los Angeles to protest corporate domination over American politics, a true Tea Party movement may be brewing:
1.) The Original Boston Tea Party Was A Civil Disobedience Action Against A Private Corporation. In 1773, agitators blocked the importation of tea by East India Trading Company ships across the country. In Boston harbor, a band of protesters led by Samuel Adams boarded the corporation’s ships and dumped the tea into the harbor. No East India Trading Company employees were harmed, but the destruction of the company’s tea is estimated to be worth up to $2 million in today’s money. The Occupy Wall Street protests have targeted big banks like Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, as well as multinational corporations like GE with sit-ins and peaceful rallies.
2.) The Original Boston Tea Party Feared That Corporate Greed Would Destroy America. As Professor Benjamin Carp has argued, colonists perceived the East India Trading Company as a “fearsome monopolistic company that was going to rob them blind and pave the way maybe for their enslavement.” A popular pamphlet called The Alarm agitated for a revolt against the East India Trading Company by warning that the British corporation would devastate America just as it had devastated South Asian colonies: “Their Conduct in Asia, for some Years past, has given simple Proof, how little they regard the Laws of Nations, the Rights, Liberties, or Lives of Men. [...] And these not being sufficient to glut their Avarice, they have, by the most unparalleled Barbarities, Extortions, and Monopolies, stripped the miserable Inhabitants of their Property, and reduced whole Provinces to Indigence and Ruin.”
3.) The Original Boston Tea Party Believed Government Necessary To Protect Against Corporate Excess. Smithsonian historian Barbara Smith has noted that Samuel Adams believed that oppression could occur when governments are too weak. As Adams explained in a Boston newspaper, government should exist “to protect the people and promote their prosperity.” Patriots behind the Tea Party revolt believed “rough economic equality was necessary to maintaining liberty,” says Smith. Occupy Wall Street protesters demand a country that invests in education, infrastructure, and jobs.
4.) The Original Boston Tea Party Was Sparked By A Corporate Tax Cut For A British Corporation. The Tea Act, a law by the British Parliament exempting tea imported by the East India Trading Company from taxes and allowing the corporation to directly ship its tea to the colonies for sale, is credited with setting off the Boston Tea Party. The law was perceived as an effort by the British to bailout the East India Trading Company by shutting off competition from American shippers. George R.T. Hewes, one of the patriots who boarded the East India Trading Company ships and dumped the tea, told a biographer that the East India Trading Company had twisted the laws so “it was no longer the small vessels of private merchants, who went to vend tea for their own account in the ports of the colonies, but, on the contrary, ships of an enormous burthen, that transported immense quantities of this commodity.” Occupy Wall Street demands the end of corporate tax loopholes as well as the enactment of higher taxes on billionaires and millionaires.
5.) The Original Boston Tea Party Wanted A Stronger Democracy. There is a common misconception that the Boston Tea Party was simply a revolt against taxation. The truth is much more nuanced, and there were many factors behind the opposition to the East India Company and the British government. Although the colonists resented taxes levied by a distant British Parliament, in the years preceding the Tea Party, the Massachusetts colony had levied taxes several times to pay for local services. The issue at hand was representation and government accountable to the needs of the American people. Patrick Henry and other patriots organized the revolutionary effort by claiming that legitimate laws and taxes could only be passed by legislatures elected by Americans. According to historian Benjamin Carp, the protesters in Boston perceived that the British government’s actions were set by the East India Trading Company. “As Americans learned more about the provisions of the new East India Company laws, they realized that Parliament would sooner lend a hand to the Company than the colonies,” wrote Carp.
Progressive political movements, from Martin Luther King to Mahatma Gandhi, have drawn on the original American Boston Tea Party for inspiring civil disobedience against oppression. Indeed, the very first Boston Tea Party was truly radical and faced scorn from elites and conservatives of the era.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: Top 5 Reasons Why The Occupy Wall Street Protests Embody Values Of The Real Boston Tea Party
By Lee Fang on Oct 3, 2011 at 7:30 pm
2011: Demonstrators stage civil disobedience protests against corporate control of America. 1773: Protester boards an East India Trading Company ship, dumps tea. In recent years, the Boston Tea Party has been associated with a right-wing movement that supports policies favoring powerful corporations and the wealthy. As ThinkProgress has reported, lobbyists and Republican front groups have driven the current manifestation of the Tea Party to push for giveaways to oil companies and big businesses.
However, the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations picking up momentum across the country better embody the values of the original Boston Tea Party. In the late 18th century, the British government became deeply entwined with the interests of the East India Trading Company, a massive conglomerate that counted British aristocracy as shareholders. Americans, upset with a government that used the colonies to enrich the East India Trading Company, donned Native American costumes and boarded the ships belonging to the company and destroyed the company’s tea. In the last two weeks, as protesters have gathered from New York to Los Angeles to protest corporate domination over American politics, a true Tea Party movement may be brewing:
1.) The Original Boston Tea Party Was A Civil Disobedience Action Against A Private Corporation. In 1773, agitators blocked the importation of tea by East India Trading Company ships across the country. In Boston harbor, a band of protesters led by Samuel Adams boarded the corporation’s ships and dumped the tea into the harbor. No East India Trading Company employees were harmed, but the destruction of the company’s tea is estimated to be worth up to $2 million in today’s money. The Occupy Wall Street protests have targeted big banks like Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, as well as multinational corporations like GE with sit-ins and peaceful rallies.
2.) The Original Boston Tea Party Feared That Corporate Greed Would Destroy America. As Professor Benjamin Carp has argued, colonists perceived the East India Trading Company as a “fearsome monopolistic company that was going to rob them blind and pave the way maybe for their enslavement.” A popular pamphlet called The Alarm agitated for a revolt against the East India Trading Company by warning that the British corporation would devastate America just as it had devastated South Asian colonies: “Their Conduct in Asia, for some Years past, has given simple Proof, how little they regard the Laws of Nations, the Rights, Liberties, or Lives of Men. [...] And these not being sufficient to glut their Avarice, they have, by the most unparalleled Barbarities, Extortions, and Monopolies, stripped the miserable Inhabitants of their Property, and reduced whole Provinces to Indigence and Ruin.”
3.) The Original Boston Tea Party Believed Government Necessary To Protect Against Corporate Excess. Smithsonian historian Barbara Smith has noted that Samuel Adams believed that oppression could occur when governments are too weak. As Adams explained in a Boston newspaper, government should exist “to protect the people and promote their prosperity.” Patriots behind the Tea Party revolt believed “rough economic equality was necessary to maintaining liberty,” says Smith. Occupy Wall Street protesters demand a country that invests in education, infrastructure, and jobs.
4.) The Original Boston Tea Party Was Sparked By A Corporate Tax Cut For A British Corporation. The Tea Act, a law by the British Parliament exempting tea imported by the East India Trading Company from taxes and allowing the corporation to directly ship its tea to the colonies for sale, is credited with setting off the Boston Tea Party. The law was perceived as an effort by the British to bailout the East India Trading Company by shutting off competition from American shippers. George R.T. Hewes, one of the patriots who boarded the East India Trading Company ships and dumped the tea, told a biographer that the East India Trading Company had twisted the laws so “it was no longer the small vessels of private merchants, who went to vend tea for their own account in the ports of the colonies, but, on the contrary, ships of an enormous burthen, that transported immense quantities of this commodity.” Occupy Wall Street demands the end of corporate tax loopholes as well as the enactment of higher taxes on billionaires and millionaires.
5.) The Original Boston Tea Party Wanted A Stronger Democracy. There is a common misconception that the Boston Tea Party was simply a revolt against taxation. The truth is much more nuanced, and there were many factors behind the opposition to the East India Company and the British government. Although the colonists resented taxes levied by a distant British Parliament, in the years preceding the Tea Party, the Massachusetts colony had levied taxes several times to pay for local services. The issue at hand was representation and government accountable to the needs of the American people. Patrick Henry and other patriots organized the revolutionary effort by claiming that legitimate laws and taxes could only be passed by legislatures elected by Americans. According to historian Benjamin Carp, the protesters in Boston perceived that the British government’s actions were set by the East India Trading Company. “As Americans learned more about the provisions of the new East India Company laws, they realized that Parliament would sooner lend a hand to the Company than the colonies,” wrote Carp.
Progressive political movements, from Martin Luther King to Mahatma Gandhi, have drawn on the original American Boston Tea Party for inspiring civil disobedience against oppression. Indeed, the very first Boston Tea Party was truly radical and faced scorn from elites and conservatives of the era.
Dont be surprised to begin seeing pockets of violence erupt sometime in the near future.
Posted by T e x on :
If this, so far, peaceful effort doesn't go anywhere? Don't be surprised by widespread violence.
Posted by raybond on :
From Boston To Wichita To Denver: Thousands Around The Country Join The 99 Percent Movement
By Guest Blogger on Oct 6, 2011 at 9:30 am
Over 1,000 activists gathered in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 17th for the “Occupy Wall Street” protest of a political and financial system that rewards the richest 1 percent at the expense of the other 99 percent. Since then, the protest has grown substantially with hundreads of people camped out every night in Zuccotti Park even in the face of police crackdowns.
Inspired by the activists in New York City, protests have sprung up in cities from Boston to Wichita to Denver, where thousands have gathered to join the 99 Percent Movement. Here’s a look at some of the protests that have happened so far:
Los Angeles: Almost 200 have gathered on the north lawn of the Los Angeles City Hall.
Chicago: Nearing their second week of action, the crowd of over 100 continues to grow. “99 percent of this country is disenfranchised and not being heard,” said protester Evelyn DeHais, “that is irresponsible and awful, but it can be changed and we can change it.”
Louisville: About 200 gathered for the inaugural action.
Wichita: Between 100 and 300 people showed up to the first action on Sunday. “We’re here to stand in solidarity together,” said protester Don Landis, a Vietnam veteran.
Hartford: Close to 100 people attended the first protest on Wednesday in Hartford’s Bushnell Park.
Anchorage: More than 65 people gathered in Anchorage on Wednesday. “Homelessness. Foreclosures, robo-signing of foreclosures,” said protester Brian MacMillan. “Child poverty or child hunger. The unemployment rate, one in 10 in America without a job. Jeez, what isn’t there to protest?”
Charlotte: Local protesters are planning a march on the local offices of Bank of America this Saturday. “I think we’ve got a growing movement,” said a local organizer, Tracey Myhalyk.
Lexington: Since it began on Thursday at least 100 people have gathered every day in Lexington, Kentucky.
Boston: An estimated 3,000 took the streets on Friday to kick off the Boston protest, with a core of 150 staying indefinitely in Boston’s Dewey Square Park. “This is your future at stake,” protester and Iraq War veteran Ryan Cahill said. “It’s not going to fix itself. I think that’s pretty clear.”
Seattle: A crowd of more than 200 protesters gathered in Seattle’s Westlake Park.
Philadelphia: At a standing-room-only planning meeting on Tuseday almost 1,000 activists packed into Arch Street United Methodist Church in Philadelphia. The meeting decided to kick off the protest outside of the Philadelphia City Hall on Tuesday morning.
Denver: More than 50 protesters marched in downtown Denver on Saturday. One protesters’ sign read, “they only call it class war when we fight back.”
Iowa City: About 100 locals met Wednseday night in Iowa City to plan a local protest. The group decided to begin the protest on Friday.
Miami: On Saturday between 100 and 200 protesters met at Bayfront Park in Miami.
Portland: An estimated 100 protesters braved the rain on Saturday to rally in Portland, Maine. “This underscores what’s valuable in a democratic society: At some point, the people need to stand up and say, ‘That’s enough.’” protester Matth Mitchell commented.
Dozens more protests are planned for the coming days. Make sure to check out all of ThinkProgress’s ongoing coverage of the 99 Percent Movement here.
– Karl Singer
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: If this, so far, peaceful effort doesn't go anywhere? Don't be surprised by widespread violence.
The only thing that surprises me is that we have put up with as much chit as we have...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
FACT CHECK: Obama’s claim on Republicans and jobs bill not entirely right
Well of COURSE! He has been wrong since the get go on jobs and the economy. Somehow, people still have their head in the sand!
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: CashCowAntoinette proclaims Let Them Eat Cake!
AND the icing
Posted by raybond on :
Facts You Need To Know About The Nation’s Biggest Banks
By Pat Garofalo on Oct 7, 2011 at 1:05 pm
The Occupy Wall Street protests that began in New York City more than three weeks ago have now spread across the country. The choice of Wall Street as the focal point for the protests — as even Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said — makes sense due to the big bank malfeasance that led to the Great Recession.
While the Dodd-Frank financial reform law did a lot to ensure that a repeat of the 2008 financial crisis won’t occur — through regulation of derivatives, a new consumer protection agency, and new powers for the government to dismantle failing banks — the biggest banks still have a firm grip on the financial system, even more so than before the 2008 financial crisis. Here are eleven facts that you need to know about the nation’s biggest banks:
– Bank profits are highest since before the recession…: According to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., bank profits in the first quarter of this year were “the best for the industry since the $36.8 billion earned in the second quarter of 2007.” JP Morgan Chase is currently pulling in record profits.
– …even as the banks plan thousands of layoffs: Banks, including Bank of America, Barclays, Goldman Sachs, and Credit Suisse, are planning to lay off tens of thousands of workers.
– Banks make nearly one-third of total corporate profits: The financial sector accounts for about 30 percent of total corporate profits, which is actually down from before the financial crisis, when they made closer to 40 percent.
– Since 2008, the biggest banks have gotten bigger: Due to the failure of small competitors and mergers facilitated during the 2008 crisis, the nation’s biggest banks — including Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, and Wells Fargo — are now bigger than they were pre-recession. Pre-crisis, the four biggest banks held 32 percent of total deposits; now they hold nearly 40 percent.
– The four biggest banks issue 50 percent of mortgages and 66 percent of credit cards: Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo and Citigroup issue one out of every two mortgages and nearly two out of every three credit cards in America.
– The 10 biggest banks hold 60 percent of bank assets: In the 1980s, the 10 biggest banks controlled 22 percent of total bank assets. Today, they control 60 percent.
– The six biggest banks hold assets equal to 63 percent of the country’s GDP: In 1995, the six biggest banks in the country held assets equal to about 17 percent of the country’s Gross Domestic Product. Now their assets equal 63 percent of GDP.
– The five biggest banks hold 95 percent of derivatives: Nearly the entire market in derivatives — the credit instruments that helped blow up some of the nation’s biggest banks as well as mega-insurer AIG — is dominated by just five firms: JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Citibank, and Wells Fargo.
– Banks cost households nearly $20 trillion in wealth: Almost $20 trillion in wealth was destroyed by the Great Recession, and total family wealth is still down “$12.8 trillion (in 2011 dollars) from June 2007 — its last peak.”
– Big banks don’t lend to small businesses: The New Rules Project notes that the country’s 20 biggest banks “devote only 18 percent of their commercial loan portfolios to small business.”
– Big banks paid 5,000 bonuses of at least $1 million in 2008: According to the New York Attorney General’s office, “nine of the financial firms that were among the largest recipients of federal bailout money paid about 5,000 of their traders and bankers bonuses of more than $1 million apiece for 2008.”
In the last few decades, regulations on the biggest banks have been systematically eliminated, while those banks engineered more and more ways to both rip off customers and turn ever-more complex trading instruments into ever-higher profits. It makes perfect sense, then, that a movement calling for an economy that works for everyone would center its efforts on an industry that exemplifies the opposite.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I told you all this is mostly made of dirty new age hippies, anarchists, and people who wouldnt be working even if the economy WAS good. Have you seen the interviews of these people? They are TRASHING the places they are at. The Tea Party never behaved like this at their rallies. The Tea Party was not so disorderly that they were arrested in the hundreds. Defacing the American flag, and Keith Olberman is hanging around? Give me a break. They dont represent 99% because me and everyone I know doesnt was them to claim us as part of their movement.
They are talking about KILLING the rich, and EATING them. Really? They want to make credit scores illegal too. That is one of their demands. Good grief.
Stinking up Wall Street: Protesters accused of living in filth as shocking pictures show one demonstrator defecating on a POLICE CAR
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Actually, You're Wrong....This movement is made up of some real Smart-Motha-F**kas, from all Walks of life. I know I did my part...Ever since I got into trading in the early 2000's and learned the game(Big Picture, not just trading) I flooded Youtube, Google video, facebook ect, with this info....Others have as well. This is not going to be something small and short term.
There will be boycotts like Rosa Parks, Everyone is going to Credit Unions, Ect. The Chit hit the Fan!!!
There are real people out there, That want to do Real things...I'm one of them...
Posted by glassman on :
Others have as well. This is not going to be something small and short term.
cash has been here for all of that too Ace, he still refuses to see what we've been trying to show him...
remember when they tried to tell us we were crazy to think naked shorting even existed? LOL. i still know people who deny it after they had to temporarily ban it...
it's kind of depressing how many people there are that are in denial...
Posted by raybond on :
Cash you know what you sound like? You sound just like the ruling British officials in America just before and through the revolution of our country.
Or the Roman ruling class discribing the Christians or anybody that wanted freedom from the Roman yoke.
Civil protest always does start with what you are calling the great unwashed. I have seen some interviews with the protestors and they know why they are there and they give there reasons they are not stupid people.
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
it's kind of depressing how many people there are that are in denial...
They are the ignorant masses Glass and CCM is just one of many...the only thing we can possibly do is to continue to try and show them what is really going on here...
Posted by raybond on :
posted by cashcowmoo
Great! white trash, people who dont work, hippies, non productive citizens, liberals, anarchists, socialists, are going to go around causing crime and blame it on "big bad corporate america".
Stop tearing down this country you jerks!!!
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
lol ok so maybe I was getting a lil bitter after seeing some of these videos and footage. Seriously, what is wrong with some of these people. There is some religious bigotry against jews at these rallies. What is that all about? Why are they pooping on cop cars!?
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Defecating on the American flag that they were burning. Yeah! I cant believe you guys defend this crap.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: lol ok so maybe I was getting a lil bitter after seeing some of these videos and footage. Seriously, what is wrong with some of these people. There is some religious bigotry against jews at these rallies. What is that all about? Why are they pooping on cop cars!?
cash, you've been bitter since Obama got elected.
nobody is 'defending' the whackos. the whackos are pretty much everywhere. always have been.... Glen beck even had TV show for awhile.. Limbugger was busted for RX drug abuse... whacko...
protests tend to draw them out of their hiding holes more than most things do..
that doesn't change the fact that most all the people in this country are angry and they are angry for very good reasons.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: lol ok so maybe I was getting a lil bitter after seeing some of these videos and footage. Seriously, what is wrong with some of these people. There is some religious bigotry against jews at these rallies. What is that all about? Why are they pooping on cop cars!?
cash, you've been bitter since Obama got elected.
nobody is 'defending' the whackos. the whackos are pretty much everywhere. always have been.... Glen beck even had TV show for awhile.. Limbugger was busted for RX drug abuse... whacko...
protests tend to draw them out of their hiding holes more than most things do..
that doesn't change the fact that most all the people in this country are angry and they are angry for very good reasons.
Well, nobody is stopping these protestors from starting a business. There is plenty of resources such as the SBA, private capital, government assistance, etc.
The problem I see is that our manufacturing has been sold off to overseas locations leaving us screwed. I agree on that, and that we need to build and make more here.
Part of the problem is the American people are not demanding USA products. They bi^^^ and moan about this, but they sure enjoy their cheapo prices at wal mart.
Obama championed wall street reform. Remember dodd-frank? Two democrats claimed that, and Obama to boot. So why arent they at the White House demanding why goldman is still running the show...and why its still business as usual?
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Well, nobody is stopping these protestors from starting a business. There is plenty of resources such as the SBA, private capital, government assistance, etc."
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Good luck on that, maybe for a very few.
In most cases you better hand them a leg and arm for collateral and that arm and leg better be worth a lot to some other person, otherwise don't expect any loan.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Well, my biggest concern right now about this flea party is what it is going to turn into.
Posted by T e x on :
lol, cashie wants to believe...but just can't commit.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Well, nobody is stopping these protestors from starting a business. There is plenty of resources such as the SBA, private capital, government assistance, etc."
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Good luck on that, maybe for a very few.
In most cases you better hand them a leg and arm for collateral and that arm and leg better be worth a lot to some other person, otherwise don't expect any loan.
Well look they actually have a well presented messenger in that video. Its not so much the message as it is the messengers.
Some people make a good point, come out and protest, and they are right on some things. Then the weirdos, malcontents, and freaks come out. Thats when it gets ugly.
Posted by T e x on :
"Then the weirdos, malcontents, and freaks come out. Thats when it gets ugly."
Thank Gawd the T's & GOP got none of those...
Posted by jordanreed on :
ever watch the protesters the party has?....thats quite a circus...talk about morons!
Posted by raybond on :
Dear Raymond,
In conference rooms across America, corporate titans and the super-rich are making plans to buy the 2012 elections. Checkbooks in hand, these folks are secretly funneling millions of dollars to shadowy groups that will flood our airwaves with political ads. Their aim is to persuade us to vote for candidates who will look out for their interests, not ours.
Charged with refereeing this battle royale is the Federal Election Commission, or as Sen. John McCain likes to call it, “the little agency that can’t.” The main problem is that the FEC can’t enforce the law without the support of at least four of its six commissioners. Currently, three commissioners – led by disgraced former Majority Leader Tom DeLay’s lawyer Don McGahn – are holding the agency hostage, steadfastly refusing to enforce our campaign finance laws. Instead, these bureaucrats are collecting taxpayer-funded salaries to protect the right of the wealthy to buy our elections.
The examples of their misdeeds are many, but to name just one, these three commissioners disregarded the agency’s own general counsel to find that former Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell (R-DE) had not illegally coordinated with the Tea Party Express, despite daily conversations between staffers for the two camps.
We need your help to end this dismal state of affairs. Five of the FEC’s six commissioners, including all three who oppose enforcement, remain in place despite expired terms. This means the president could replace them at any time.
Tell President Obama the best ideas – not the most money – should win elections.
More than four billion dollars were spent on the 2010 mid-term elections. Unless the president gets serious about fair elections, that number will soon be dwarfed given the stakes in 2012.
Thank you for helping us build a better Washington,
Melanie Sloan
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals
So, ultimately, the bourgeoisie won’t go without violent means. Revolution! Yes, revolution that is led by the working class.
We will see more of this from the flea baggers. Wont be long before chairs are being thrown through windows and cars are set on fire. Thats all someone else's fault though.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals
So, ultimately, the bourgeoisie won’t go without violent means. Revolution! Yes, revolution that is led by the working class.
We will see more of this from the flea baggers. Wont be long before chairs are being thrown through windows and cars are set on fire. Thats all someone else's fault though.
lol, what's that accent? Highly doubt he speaks for the Occupy majority. How can we even tell where/when this vid was shot?
Posted by raybond on :
Americans Support Occupy Wall Street, Oppose Tea Party
By Alex Seitz-Wald on Oct 13, 2011 at 11:45 am
The new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that Americans support the Occupy Wall Street protests by a two-to-one margin (37 percent in favor, 18 percent opposed) while more Americans view the Tea Party negatively (28 percent in favor, 41 percent opposed). This means the Occupy Wall Street protests have a net favorability of +19 percent while the Tea Party has a net favorability of -13 percent,
A new Time Magazine poll found an even more positive results for Occupy Wall Street, showing 54 percent held a favorable view of the movement, compared to just 27 percent with a favorable view of the Tea Party. In the Time poll, just 23 percent had an unfavorable view of Occupy Wall street, for a net rating of +31 percent. Meanwhile, 33 percent had an unfavorable view of the Tea Party, giving it a a net rating of -6 percent.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
I do believe I just heard one say on CNN that 'Bloomberg betrayed them by backing down' and that 'he'd better take care of his own if he knows whats good for him'.
Didn't anyone tell you its not polite to speak with a silver spoon in your mouth?
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Well finally the media got something right! Thanks for posting Cow. Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Are they protesting in St Louis?
Posted by Pagan on :
Actually they are....not been over there yet to check they're ID's as you would have. But I'll get right on that!
Ya know...just to make sure they are all legal and everything.
Posted by jordanreed on :
protesting here....actually,,everywhere.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
An it's a cold one today too. Bitter wind.
Posted by raybond on :
Oct. 15 Global Protests Now Planned In 951 Cities And 82 Countries | Tomorrow, the 99 percent movement will go global as hundreds of protests are planned in a worldwide outpouring of democracy. There are now demonstrations planned in 951 cities and 82 countries. The goal of the protests is to elevate local social justice issues into one worldwide demonstration.
Posted by Pagan on :
Violence is spreading...as most predicted. Bunch of disillusioned malcontents.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Saw this on Drudge, what is this turning into? The 60's?
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Maybe
Is that horrible?
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Maybe
Is that horrible?
Considering what was bred from that era...I would say yes.
Posted by glassman on :
Considering what was bred from that era...I would say yes.
cash, I was bred from that era Posted by jordanreed on :
...and I was bred during that era! that era was a great awakening for america....how can you possibly say it was horrible?..I just don't understand your type of thinking..its so pinched and uptight...im sure you would have supported nixon too
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
The crook? Nah. My kind of thinking? Hell Jordan the country is going to crap and you just watch it happening on TV like its good news or something just because its all liberal right now.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The crook? Nah. My kind of thinking? Hell Jordan the country is going to crap and you just watch it happening on TV like its good news or something just because its all liberal right now.
you are repeating my grandparents very words cash...
Posted by Lockman on :
At least the protestors love APPLE....and Steve Jobs...he only made himself a billionare and created 500 thousand jobs...unforunatly they are in China. Go protestors!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally posted By CashCowMoo:
"Saw this on Drudge, what is this turning into? The 60's?" _________________________________________________
Hopefully!
Maybe we will see many new great rock bands and indivual rockers that will be remember for generations like the 60's, we could only hope.
Next we will throw in the mini skirts and low gas prices, no not 3.50 cent lows but .33 gas war prices.
Then lots of jobs and lots of employers that actually cared about their employees.
Throw in a little health care plan and reasonable health costs.
Just leave out the wars!
Was a fun time.
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Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The crook? Nah. My kind of thinking? Hell Jordan the country is going to crap and you just watch it happening on TV like its good news or something just because its all liberal right now.
Cash...here's a clue to what's happening
this country has been going to crap for quite some time now...and the scum that put this country in the crapper are the scum that the protesters are protesting...
does that clear it up for you?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker:
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The crook? Nah. My kind of thinking? Hell Jordan the country is going to crap and you just watch it happening on TV like its good news or something just because its all liberal right now.
Cash...here's a clue to what's happening
this country has been going to crap for quite some time now...and the scum that put this country in the crapper are the scum that the protesters are protesting...
does that clear it up for you?
i couldn't beleive it back early '09 when politicians actually started blaming fannie and freddie and the people who borrowed more than they could afford. When people borrow more than they can afford? They are being unrealistic, but hey are also being Optimistic even tho it is a bad idea. The lenders are the ones who are supposed to balance that optimism, and show responsibility.
fannie and freddie came under heavy criticsim BY SHAREHOLDERS just a couple years before for not performing up to countrywide's levels...
as to people borrowing more than they could afford? we bought a hoouse in '05. it seemed like everybody we know was asking us why we bought such a "cheap" house... friends and family both. That's not to mention the pressures of the professionals we dealt with -realtors mortgage brokers. etc.....
our culture had literally become flip this house--
the signs were all there, the avg. household income had been flat for ten years, and th ecost of a home had gone from about 165K$ to 225K$ in the same time frame...
it was clearly unsustainable.
another fact- the cost of college... back in 83? i took fulltime classes at univ. of MD for 675$ per semester in state. We didn't have to take a student loan, we just got a job at night and went to school....
now you have to take out a MORTGAGE to get a college degree and there's no jobs wating anyway..
the underlying factor is loose lending.
even in the Bible loose lending is critisized. loose lending in the markets is how they become so vulnerable. I became concerned whne people started telling me they had twenty to one margin in their accounts. I thought everybody knew better.
the banks that had to be bailed out? i understand now that some of them had 40 to one and more out...
now we know that the real cause of the collpase was bad lending practices. you cannot blame borrowers because they are under peer pressure and social pressure created by the lending community.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The crook? Nah. My kind of thinking? Hell Jordan the country is going to crap and you just watch it happening on TV like its good news or something just because its all liberal right now.
Cash...here's a clue to what's happening
this country has been going to crap for quite some time now...and the scum that put this country in the crapper are the scum that the protesters are protesting...
does that clear it up for you?
Then they should be in front of the halls of congress and not trashing public parks so badly that there are now sanitation issues...having sex in public, drugs in public, anti semetic comments...yeap.
Im not saying they dont have a point, but its getting out of hand. the communist party is now involved, I mean seriously....the Tea Party was waving flags, and these kids are stomping on it after setting it on fire. Some people on this board dont see a problem with defacing our great flag...but it strikes a nerve with me.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
You are right CashCowMoo it does sound like the 60's.
Bet there are even people out there with long hair.
There are also a lot of people that wish they still enough energy to get involved.
Many know that we keep going backwards and we need something major to be done they are very frustrated with the system.
Hopefully it doesn't go completely nuts, but many people have really had it.
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Posted by glassman on :
Then they should be in front of the halls of congress and not trashing public parks so badly that there are now sanitation issues...having sex in public, drugs in public, anti semetic comments...yeap.
cash -cash -cash you've been here for how long? didn't they sell you that diamond mine stock way back in the beginning? When are you going to wise up?
Wall St OWNS YOUR Govt lock stock and barrel. why do you think Bill Clinton left the WH in 2000 with a million and more in legal fees broke and when his wife ran for pres. 8 years later the couple has in excess of 100 million dollars? Why do you think their daughter Chelsea got hired at Wall St?
Avenue Capital Group is a global investment firm focusing on distressed securities[2] and private equity with regional teams focusing on opportunities in the United States, Europe and Asia. The firm operates as both a private equity firm and as a hedge fund. Avenue’s core strategy is focused on distressed debt and equity securities although the firm also manages investment funds that focus on long-short opportunities, real estate, and collateralized debt obligations. The firm manages assets valued at approximately $20 billion[1]. The firm was founded by former professionals of Amroc Investments, an affiliate of the Robert M. Bass Group.
The firm is headquartered in New York City, with offices in London, Luxembourg, Munich, and in cities throughout Asia. Avenue has approximately 350 employees across its 13 offices worldwide.
In the fall of 2006, Chelsea Clinton, daughter of former president Bill Clinton, joined the firm shortly after leaving McKinsey & Company, a management consultancy. However, she has since left the firm and returned to graduate school.
Bloomberg reported that as of Feb. 28, 2010, Avenue Capital Group is the 13th largest hedge fund in the world. [3]
these people regardless of how dirty, amoral or even immoral they are are right at the source of the problem. Life is messy, those of us with children and mortgages and other responsibility don't have the time to hang out in the park for as long as it takes...
these people do, for whatever reason, they just don't have the obligations taht those of us who really do know what happened do, but be sure of one thing, they are right at the source of the problem.
Wall ST was leveraged at 40 to one, they could not afford a 3% loss in their portfolios and they saw much more loss than that. ALL of the investment banks folded cash- Why is it that the "best and brightest" of the country and even the world were so stupid? They look all clean cut and tidy with their thousand dollar shoes and purses, they "know all the right people" and they went to teh best schools. Those are YOUR role models? You can have them. They are nothing more than stuffed suits.
WE had to bail them out cash.. We are going to pay for that bailout for along time to come, and it was not an option to let them fail. WE had to have food on the grocery store shelves. It would have disapeared if we hadn't, and then bullets would have been worth double their weight in gold. We have avoided that so far, but we are not far from that even now. Very few people have any clue (or even care) how their food gets to the grocery store shelf. It's one loan after another that gets it there. Maybe a dozen in a long chain. The farmer, the seed producer, the (3 differnt) truckers, the packers, the three or four traders who buy it and sell it before it is even off the fields? All of that was and still is in deep jeopardy, and it's not getting fixed. Thats why those people are there, this cannot be fixed by laws, esp if the TParty has their way and we get Govt to shrink... sheesh what a mess
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: The crook? Nah. My kind of thinking? Hell Jordan the country is going to crap and you just watch it happening on TV like its good news or something just because its all liberal right now.
Cash...here's a clue to what's happening
this country has been going to crap for quite some time now...and the scum that put this country in the crapper are the scum that the protesters are protesting...
does that clear it up for you?
Then they should be in front of the halls of congress and not trashing public parks so badly that there are now sanitation issues...having sex in public, drugs in public, anti semetic comments...yeap.
Im not saying they dont have a point, but its getting out of hand. the communist party is now involved, I mean seriously....the Tea Party was waving flags, and these kids are stomping on it after setting it on fire. Some people on this board dont see a problem with defacing our great flag...but it strikes a nerve with me.
Ya know....I recall you getting all bent outta shape when people called the Tea Party....Tea Baggers. Yet...here you are calling the Wall Street protestors "Flea Baggers". You are a hypocritical idiot. What is wrong with you? Really...what is your major malfunction. Because you are obviously not normal and have some serious mental issues. What's the deal?!?!?!
PS: Name one person on this board who said it was fine to de-face the American flag. Bet you can't. You're lying sack of crap. Get a life fool.
Posted by glassman on :
what i can't figger out is how nobody has put these traders in jail. These "plays" are what tumbled the carefully built house of cards:
When oil prices spiked last summer to $147 a barrel, the biggest corporate casualty was oil pipeline giant Semgroup Holdings, a $14 billion (sales) private firm in Tulsa, Okla. It had racked up $2.4 billion in trading losses betting that oil prices would go down, including $290 million in accounts personally managed by then chief executive Thomas Kivisto. Its short positions amounted to the equivalent of 20% of the nation's crude oil inventories. With the credit crunch eliminating any hope of meeting a $500 million margin call, Semgroup filed for bankruptcy on July 22.
this was the exact trigger. Sem group tried to borrow money to cover their margin call on thier oil short at about 120$. The short was a smart play because 80$ was what a barrel of oil was really worth, and the trade price was already 50% over that. But instead of loaning them the money to keep the trade "open" and wait for the short? It looks like Citi, merryl Lynch and Goldman (who had orifginally been a backer of semgroup) all went long on oil JUST to break this company.... They got a good look at SemGroups finacnials (as is customary when you borrow money) when Semgroup asked for the loan, and then went to the trading floor and broke them....
so oil went form a price of 120 that was already too high to 147 on Jul 11 2008.....
that was a ridiculous price that was not based on any fundamentls....
that was what triggered the Fed to raise interest rates and that triggered the subprime collapse...
of course everything had to be "perfect" for teh overal collpase, and it was, but the trigger was simply a crooked trade to BK Semgroup....
the stoooopidest part of all this is these people did this to themselves. you talk about cutting off your own nose to spite your face?
so when i hear people complaining about the por people int h park i have to just laugh at how silly and inane that complaint is. The "richest, best and brightest" shot their own selves in their own asses,a nd collapsed the Capitalist system in the bargain
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Posted by Upside on :
Has anyone here actually attended one of these protests? Rest assured that if they come to my town I'll be there. For all the right reasons too.....to see if just like in my youth, a rally is still the best possible place to both get laid and score a dime bag of Columbian gold.
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Has anyone here actually attended one of these protests? Rest assured that if they come to my town I'll be there. For all the right reasons too.....to see if just like in my youth, a rally is still the best possible place to both get laid and score a dime bag of Columbian gold.
now, that made my day!
Posted by glassman on :
i don't think they sell that columbian paraquat pot anymore up... it's called "chronic" now.. and you don't have to go to one of those hippie protests from what i can see? you can go right to the source- it's all these rednecks here in the South that have a few plots each growing... they are hanging it all out to dry right now before the woods and feilds are full of the deer hunters...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By Glassman:
"I don't think they sell that columbian paraquat pot anymore up... it's called "chronic" now.. and you don't have to go to one of those hippie protests from what i can see? you can go right to the source- it's all these rednecks here in the South that have a few plots each growing... they are hanging it all out to dry right now before the woods and feilds are full of the deer hunters." _________________________________________________
You beat me to that answer or lets say a similiar one.
I think what Upside said is what you do before you go to the protest... just kidding
The thing here that is apparent is that the majority posting on this board seem to agree that we are in trouble and that there is nothing wrong with these protests.
As straight laced as we all are and from different walks of life it's rather interesting that we are similiar in our thoughts.
Makes you wonder how many people think the same in our country about our real situation.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i don't think they sell that columbian paraquat pot anymore up... it's called "chronic" now.. and you don't have to go to one of those hippie protests from what i can see? you can go right to the source- it's all these rednecks here in the South that have a few plots each growing... they are hanging it all out to dry right now before the woods and feilds are full of the deer hunters...
The scene has changed. Now that California and Colorado have legalized medical marijuana its being shipped out all over the place to other states with no medical laws. As suspected, the system has already fallen to abuse. Not saying that pot is some real bad thing. Alcohol causes so many more problems and decay such as drunk driving deaths, domestic violence, gambling problems, etc etc.
Pot just makes people lazy, and unmotivated. No big deal, plus it feels good and can make a movie or a football game that much more enjoyable.
Posted by jordanreed on :
I smoke almost everyday and have for the last 30 yrs....I am neither lazy or unmotivated....so your assumption is wrong.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Has anyone here actually attended one of these protests? Rest assured that if they come to my town I'll be there. For all the right reasons too.....to see if just like in my youth, a rally is still the best possible place to both get laid and score a dime bag of Columbian gold.
the tennessee, mississippi and alabama boys are all ticked of that they have to compete with the westrn states now.... these guys here in the south are serious and they ain't hippies....
considering how much pot costs today? i don't think too many people with no jobs smoke it or are lazy.
in my experience the glass pipe makers that i have known were not lazy at all, and they always had the best. It's always annoyed me that people are willing to pay 200$ for a poorly made glass pipe, but 200$ is too much for twisted cane bottle that only a handful of people in the world can make.
It is long past time that we legalise the stuff and tax it.
I propose we start with a plant tax. Any plant over one foot or 18 inches or budding and not tagged is a 1000$ fine (assuming ownership can be proven) and destroyed on the spot. Tags cost 100$ limit ten or twenty per person per year, but can be bought and sold on an open exchange... Therefore, somebody who wants to grow seriously can buy tags from people who are willing to buy them. I bet we would sell 100 million worth of tags in the first month....
100 bucks is cheap, and when the plant is harvested? a new tag is needed... heck i bet 500$ could work, but you want it to be reasonable so that compliance is simpler than enforcemnt. Part of th eoverall strategy needs to be to reduce pot enforcemetn costs so that more dangerous drugs can get better attntion. Jial costs would drop. Anybody in jail for non-violent pot charges should be released immediately. (instead of rapists )
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i don't think they sell that columbian paraquat pot anymore up... it's called "chronic" now.. and you don't have to go to one of those hippie protests from what i can see? you can go right to the source- it's all these rednecks here in the South that have a few plots each growing... they are hanging it all out to dry right now before the woods and feilds are full of the deer hunters...
So I guess a 5 dollar Thai stick is out of the question too nowadays?
Posted by glassman on :
prolly depends on whether or not you are in Thailand already.....
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: This ain't half bad--in fact, I like their moxie:
A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.
2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.
3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.
Posted by buckstalker on :
One more...
Pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Sounds good to me Buckstalker, i would bet there are a few more things that could be added.
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Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Not to throw stones cause some of the ideas in there have merit but you got that from an email/ social networking chain that is incorrectly attributing its creation to Warren Buffet.
A few glaring errors.
#1. There is no such thing as tenure for elected officials. The people vote em back in.
#1B. Congress-peoples vacations are pretty sweet. But when they aren't on vacation and especially when they are running for office M-F along with Sat and Sun aren't. I'm not saying there isn't a point here but remember that being an elected official is not a 9-5 job.
#2. Congress men and women (and Senators) do pay into social security. They have since 1984. This idea that they don't is false.
#2B. You have an individual retirement plan that your company set up for you I would wager. Would you be okay with it being transferred 100% over into social security? There is room for 'adjustment' om this issue I believe but tossing it all into social security is not gonna happen/ shouldn't happen.
#3. Same point as 2B. I have my own retirement account with my own money as well as my employer sponsored one that has a match. No one turns down free money. Why ask of others what you are unwilling to give up yourself?
#4. I like this idea or something similar to it. Congress should not be able to vote on their own raises.
#5. Congress has a great health plan. So does most anybody else who makes a strong six figure salary. I would agree that Congress does not need help with healthcare but I also do not see it as a major expense/savings...it is really just more of an ideological talking point.
#6. Congress people are already equally liable to the laws that they impose. It is the enforcement or the perception of enforcement that is not equal. No amount of talk or written laws is going to change that by itself. (cough cough...watchdog... cough cough...regulations...cough...ahem! excuse me.)
#7. What contracts? There are no (valid) contracts with our congressmen and women save the power granted to them by the constitution and subsequent documents. What contracts is this chain letter referring to I wonder?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Not to throw stones cause some of the ideas in there have merit but you got that from an email/ social networking chain that is incorrectly attributing its creation to Warren Buffet.
A few glaring errors.
#1. There is no such thing as tenure for elected officials. The people vote em back in.
#1B. Congress-peoples vacations are pretty sweet. But when they aren't on vacation and especially when they are running for office M-F along with Sat and Sun aren't. I'm not saying there isn't a point here but remember that being an elected official is not a 9-5 job.
#2. Congress men and women (and Senators) do pay into social security. They have since 1984. This idea that they don't is false.
#2B. You have an individual retirement plan that your company set up for you I would wager. Would you be okay with it being transferred 100% over into social security? There is room for 'adjustment' om this issue I believe but tossing it all into social security is not gonna happen/ shouldn't happen.
#3. Same point as 2B. I have my own retirement account with my own money as well as my employer sponsored one that has a match. No one turns down free money. Why ask of others what you are unwilling to give up yourself?
#4. I like this idea or something similar to it. Congress should not be able to vote on their own raises.
#5. Congress has a great health plan. So does most anybody else who makes a strong six figure salary. I would agree that Congress does not need help with healthcare but I also do not see it as a major expense/savings...it is really just more of an ideological talking point.
#6. Congress people are already equally liable to the laws that they impose. It is the enforcement or the perception of enforcement that is not equal. No amount of talk or written laws is going to change that by itself. (cough cough...watchdog... cough cough...regulations...cough...ahem! excuse me.)
#7. What contracts? There are no (valid) contracts with our congressmen and women save the power granted to them by the constitution and subsequent documents. What contracts is this chain letter referring to I wonder?
maybe you could re-write it? Then we'll pass thaT around :-)
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: One more...
Pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.
Not sure about the math, but I LOVE the principle.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By The Bigfoot:
#1B. Congress-peoples vacations are pretty sweet. But when they aren't on vacation and especially when they are running for office M-F along with Sat and Sun aren't. I'm not saying there isn't a point here but remember that being an elected official is not a 9-5 job.
#2B. You have an individual retirement plan that your company set up for you I would wager. Would you be okay with it being transferred 100% over into social security? There is room for 'adjustment' om this issue I believe but tossing it all into social security is not gonna happen/ shouldn't happen.
#3. Same point as 2B. I have my own retirement account with my own money as well as my employer sponsored one that has a match. No one turns down free money. Why ask of others what you are unwilling to give up yourself?
#5. Congress has a great health plan. So does most anybody else who makes a strong six figure salary. I would agree that Congress does not need help with healthcare but I also do not see it as a major expense/savings...it is really just more of an ideological talking point.
#6. Congress people are already equally liable to the laws that they impose. It is the enforcement or the perception of enforcement that is not equal. No amount of talk or written laws is going to change that by itself. (cough cough...watchdog... cough cough...regulations...cough...ahem! excuse me.)
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#1B. There is work and there is work are you sure they are working when they are past 5?
#2B. Anything tossed into social security would help especially since i don't see them keeping their fingers out of the money that was not intended for them to use. As far as any of this happening i surely would not hold my breath.
#3.Unfortunately that so called free money comes from you know who, some who are living on the streets now.
#5. Maybe we should pay them what there worth based on job performance, i don't think you would see a lot of six figures if that were the case, let me decide i'm fair
#6.Figuratively yes realistically no.
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Not to throw stones cause some of the ideas in there have merit but you got that from an email/ social networking chain that is incorrectly attributing its creation to Warren Buffet.
A few glaring errors.
#1. There is no such thing as tenure for elected officials. The people vote em back in.
#1B. Congress-peoples vacations are pretty sweet. But when they aren't on vacation and especially when they are running for office M-F along with Sat and Sun aren't. I'm not saying there isn't a point here but remember that being an elected official is not a 9-5 job.
#2. Congress men and women (and Senators) do pay into social security. They have since 1984. This idea that they don't is false.
#2B. You have an individual retirement plan that your company set up for you I would wager. Would you be okay with it being transferred 100% over into social security? There is room for 'adjustment' om this issue I believe but tossing it all into social security is not gonna happen/ shouldn't happen.
#3. Same point as 2B. I have my own retirement account with my own money as well as my employer sponsored one that has a match. No one turns down free money. Why ask of others what you are unwilling to give up yourself?
#4. I like this idea or something similar to it. Congress should not be able to vote on their own raises.
#5. Congress has a great health plan. So does most anybody else who makes a strong six figure salary. I would agree that Congress does not need help with healthcare but I also do not see it as a major expense/savings...it is really just more of an ideological talking point.
#6. Congress people are already equally liable to the laws that they impose. It is the enforcement or the perception of enforcement that is not equal. No amount of talk or written laws is going to change that by itself. (cough cough...watchdog... cough cough...regulations...cough...ahem! excuse me.)
#7. What contracts? There are no (valid) contracts with our congressmen and women save the power granted to them by the constitution and subsequent documents. What contracts is this chain letter referring to I wonder?
#1. OK Term limits then...2 terms max and we as their employers set their wages based on performance... Pensions - ZERO
#2 & #3. I, along with most Americans have never received any "free money" from my employer towards retirement and neither should congress
#4. See #1
#5. You don't see health care as a major expense??? You are joking right? I challenge you to get a few quotes on healthcare coverage for your family.
#6. Demand that congress be held accountable for any laws that they break
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: One more...
Pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.
Not sure about the math, but I LOVE the principle.
yep, that's a good friggin idear...
the problem is that if we hold a Constitutioanl Convention? i don't trust what all would come out of it.... i think there's alot of people out there today who just don't think.
Posted by T e x on :
Clearly, *some* big name winner is going to have to buck the tide and accept no big-money donations--or at least, only in the 40 % range. Otherwise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUO8ScYVeDo Posted by The Bigfoot on :
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: #1. OK Term limits then...2 terms max and we as their employers set their wages based on performance... Pensions - ZERO
#2 & #3. I, along with most Americans have never received any "free money" from my employer towards retirement and neither should congress
#4. See #1
#5. You don't see health care as a major expense??? You are joking right? I challenge you to get a few quotes on healthcare coverage for your family.
#6. Demand that congress be held accountable for any laws that they break
Maybe not pensions zero, but pensions in line with the rest of state and federal government workers would be a good thing.
The problem with two terms max is that you end up an average of 50% freshmen learning the system. The sincerity will hopefully be genuine in most but I can't imagine that most will be prepared to handle the economics of a national scale without time and a mentor. But that is a personal perception which I could be wrong on.
#2/3: No? It's called a company match and or pension. You can say "I worked for that money" but the truth of the matter is it amounts to the same thing as government retirement plans if not to the same scale.
5: Healthcare. There are 100 members of the Senate and 435 member in congress. No. I do not see their healthcare as a significant cost to the individual taxpayer in a nation even if the plan is gold plated. I have already stipulated that the ideology behind it is worthy of debate however.
Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: #1. OK Term limits then...2 terms max and we as their employers set their wages based on performance... Pensions - ZERO
#2 & #3. I, along with most Americans have never received any "free money" from my employer towards retirement and neither should congress
#4. See #1
#5. You don't see health care as a major expense??? You are joking right? I challenge you to get a few quotes on healthcare coverage for your family.
#6. Demand that congress be held accountable for any laws that they break
Maybe not pensions zero, but pensions in line with the rest of state and federal government workers would be a good thing.
The problem with two terms max is that you end up an average of 50% freshmen learning the system. The sincerity will hopefully be genuine in most but I can't imagine that most will be prepared to handle the economics of a national scale without time and a mentor. But that is a personal perception which I could be wrong on.
#2/3: No? It's called a company match and or pension. You can say "I worked for that money" but the truth of the matter is it amounts to the same thing as government retirement plans if not to the same scale.
5: Healthcare. There are 100 members of the Senate and 435 member in congress. No. I do not see their healthcare as a significant cost to the individual taxpayer in a nation even if the plan is gold plated. I have already stipulated that the ideology behind it is worthy of debate however.
OK, I'll give you pensions, but only after 10 or more years of service...
In return I want Term Limits (2 terms)...I would rather have 50% freshman, than a house full of "good ole boys" that have corrupted the system They don't make very good mentors anyway... (this also takes care of the pension problem)
#2/3: Most Americans today are not getting a "company match" or a pension, and neither will Congress under the new Bigfoot/Buckstalker Act
#5 Healthcare...it's not about "how much" the taxpayers have to fork over to pay for Congress Mens/Womens healthcare...It's about how much they have to pay for their own...
I think we got her nailed down...
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
lol
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By The Bigfoot:
"The problem with two terms max is that you end up an average of 50% freshmen learning the system. The sincerity will hopefully be genuine in most but I can't imagine that most will be prepared to handle the economics of a national scale without time and a mentor. But that is a personal perception which I could be wrong on."
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I agree with Buckstalker completely on this one... not that it matters
These elected officials get into office for awhile and become part of the system and not the good part, it seems the longer their in the worse it gets.
I think they feel that laying back on the job and getting along with the big boys and girls(senior members)is the right thing to do.
Then they spend the rest of their time figuring the best way to get re-elected, some of which has to do with the big boys.
If they had a two term limit hopefully they would be more eager to work on the things that they promised to the people when they got elected.
After the first term they would know there is no point in worrying about a second term thus spending their time trying to get the right things done and not concentrating mostly on their re-election.
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Posted by raybond on :
Cantor Cancels Income Inequality Speech After Learning It Will Be Open To The Public. | House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has abruptly canceled a speech planned for this afternoon at the University of Pennsylvania that was meant to lay out the GOP’s plans to address income inequality. While the university gave no reason for the cancellation, CNN is reporting that Cantor canceled after the university decided to make the speech open to the public. Cantor had signed up for a “selected audience.” The speech was seen as a response to the 99 Percent movement, and Occupy Philadelphia had organized a march from City Hall to the school. The march will still go on, as one of the the messages was that he refused to meet with his constituents to talk about jobs.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: Cantor Cancels Income Inequality Speech After Learning It Will Be Open To The Public. | House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has abruptly canceled a speech planned for this afternoon at the University of Pennsylvania that was meant to lay out the GOP’s plans to address income inequality. While the university gave no reason for the cancellation, CNN is reporting that Cantor canceled after the university decided to make the speech open to the public. Cantor had signed up for a “selected audience.” The speech was seen as a response to the 99 Percent movement, and Occupy Philadelphia had organized a march from City Hall to the school. The march will still go on, as one of the the messages was that he refused to meet with his constituents to talk about jobs.
Nothing new here. The Obama admin has done this many times already. I dont blame Cantor though...even though I think it should be open. Bunch of people will show up yelling and shouting and beating drums. Lib wackos do it, and the TP did it during the health care debate.
Posted by raybond on :
lots wrong here eric cantor is a yellow swine
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Speaking of swine, look who showed up in Chicago.
Bill Ayers!
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
This is sad...see....this doesnt happy at tea party rallies.
Posted on examiner.com, owned by Anschutz Company, owned by 1%er billionaire Philip Anschutz, has funded a number of ultra-conservative and/or Christian organizations. No source of person interviewed or interviewerer. Examiner.com has very little if any fact checking of their sources and encourage random people to post stories
Posted by T e x on :
What doesn't happen? People acting to care for their own? She's describing bad behavior of infiltrators. There's been reports of police encouraging nee'r do wells from other places in the city to "Take it to Zucotti," then ignoring reports of bad behavior.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
My local city interviewed our own "occupy" protesters and there has been rapes here too, rampant drug and alcohol use. Local leaders are moving on action after the 99% of the population has been complaining about the above stated as well as trash being left all over to blow around. Its becoming a gathering of counter culture. This reminds me of the hippies I read about.
Posted by glassman on :
OK Granpa moo whatever you say...
the hippies were being drafted to go fight in a jungle, they had a pretty good reason to "counter" culture
Govt sponsored "trash" blowing around?
or hippie "trash" just blowing around?
eihter way? you have a mess....
Posted by T e x on :
Well, get out there and help, like these other vets:
this article is instersting: Cioffi & Tannin, Bankers That Broke The World, Part 1&2 On May 31st, Matt asked Ralph which return to give to one of the major investors, the -6.5% or the -18.97?
Police Tell Banker To Move Out Of The Country If He Objects To Protesters’ Right To Free Speech
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm
This Saturday has been decreed “Bank Transfer Day” by 99 Percent activists. On that day, Americans are encouraged to move their money from the nation’s large banking institutions to community banks and credit unions — a way to both strike at the political and economic power of the nation’s megabanks and empower local economies.
Over at DailyKos, user marvinborg recounts how he was handing out flyers about moving money at a local Bank of America branch. Soon after he arrived there, the branch’s manager came out and started to suggest marvinborg worked for a credit union or that he was unemployed and should “get a job.” Before long, two police officers arrived, after being called by the Bank of America.
One of the officers asked marvinborg if he was trespassing. He responded that he has simply been handing out flyers on the sidewalk. One of the officers then turned to the bank manager and amazingly scolded him for calling the police over an act of free speech, even telling him that he should move out of the country if he objects to the first amendment:
OFFICER: He has the right to speak and the right to hand out flyers. Unless he blocks you or causes a disturbance, he has the right to be here – please don’t call the police again if he is not bothering you. If you don’t like free speech you should move to another country.
For information on how you can move your money, see the Move Your Money project here.
Posted by glassman on :
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Its becoming a gathering of counter culture. This reminds me of the hippies I read about." _________________________________________________
Seems like the topic goes backwards weren't we here(above) back a ways.
What do you think will get their attention? (the ones running the system)
Nothing so far has done a thing except make a greater difference between the average american, whatever that is and the upper end.
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Posted by buckstalker on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: My local city interviewed our own "occupy" protesters and there has been rapes here too, rampant drug and alcohol use. Local leaders are moving on action after the 99% of the population has been complaining about the above stated as well as trash being left all over to blow around. Its becoming a gathering of counter culture. This reminds me of the hippies I read about.
Cash...I luv ya man, but you have got to do me a huge favor first thing tomorrow morning...
As soon as you wake up I want you to sit at the edge of your bed, relax for a moment, then with one swift move...pull your head out of your azz and look around...DON'T watch Fox News or CNN, DON'T listen to your local news, but instead look at your family, look at your neighbors, talk to your friends, see what is really going on around you right now...
I am sure if you take my advice, tomorrow you will see things much more clearly than you did today.
Posted by rounder1 on :
pathetic
Posted by raybond on :
Special Topic
650,000 Americans Joined Credit Unions Last Month — More Than In All Of 2010 Combined
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm
One of the tactics the 99 Percenters are using to take back the country from the 1 percent is to move their money from big banks to credit unions, community banks, and other smaller financial unions that aren’t gambling with our nation’s future.
Now, the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) reports that a whopping 650,000 Americans have joined credit unions since Sept. 29 — the date that Bank of America announced it would start charging a $5 monthly debit fee, a move it backed down on this week.
To put that in perspective, there were only 600,000 new members for credit unions in all of 2010. “These results indicate that consumers are clearly making a smarter choice by moving to credit unions where, on average, they will save about $70 a year in fewer or no fees, lower rates on loans and higher return on savings,” said CUNA President Bill Cheney.
This Saturday, 99 Percenters are calling on Americans to move their money from big banks to credit unions and community banks on what is being called “Bank Transfer Day.” If you want to stand with the 99 Percent and take part in this action, use the Move Your Money project’s community bank and credit union finder tool to find out how. (HT: @blogdiva)
Posted by raybond on :
Quote from another board
Mark Horn · Works at Middleton Fire Department
This is a great first step. Next steps: move your insurance to a mutual company; look for the Union Label when you shop; buy local and finally buy American. The 99% still controls 2/3 of total spending in the US. Make the few bucks you have count.
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Posted by glassman on :
let's take a step back and listen to this situation from a distance....can you hear the echo?
Federal reserve notes are "legal tender"-WTF is legal tender you ask? Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: let's take a step back and listen to this situation from a distance....can you hear the echo?
Federal reserve notes are "legal tender"-WTF is legal tender you ask?
You must have been watching Brad Meltzer's show the other night.
Posted by glassman on :
no, but i may have been talking with someone else who was... i started studying what i could about the depression in '05 when i started hearing about high leverage rates like 12 to one, never guessing that 12 to one was actually very low compared to what was really going on behind the vault doors...
the ron paul people are a little off kilter in their goals, but they sure are fun to listen too...
i've always beleived we need to be on a global gold standard. but the bankers would have to live like 'normal people" if we did
i dunno how we get to one from where we are right now withuot a lot of pain, but we are going to have to go thru alot of pain no matter what Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I am calling for an occupy allstocks. I want allstocks to pay my student loans!
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I am calling for an occupy allstocks. I want allstocks to pay my student loans!
kinda funny,, but you're missing the point. Not many young folks, as yourself, are as for the establishment as you . its sad. I want to have more faith in your generation. Happily, most of your age group don't feel as you.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
What? What exaclty is it that "my generation" should be doing? Are you talking about the million plus Iraq and Afghan vets? We have men coming home from intense combat only to see violence back at home. These groups are shelling out what they really want...chaos. The poison is spreading. Many vets go to the Oakland Police Department and now 99% of the population is under attack and assault by this freak show.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"What? What exaclty is it that "my generation" should be doing? Are you talking about the million plus Iraq and Afghan vets? We have men coming home from intense combat only to see violence back at home. These groups are shelling out what they really want...chaos. The poison is spreading. Many vets go to the Oakland Police Department and now 99% of the population is under attack and assault by this freak show." _________________________________________________
You seem to be taking a protest against what's going on in our economy and against our establishment and somehow trying to direct it else where.
Vets of all generations that are still trying to work and live are effected by the upper level income people that are controlling this country and not for the better of the majority.
These protests and actions are not directed at the vets even though some can be caught on both sides depending on their beliefs.
This is a far cry from what was a separate issue in the sixties directed at Vietnam Vets, which i assume you are somehow trying to referance from what you are saying.
There are some people that have probably taken jobs where they are caught in between even though they might believe in these protests. (police departments, wall street etc.)
Many times we take jobs where you can get a job not necessarily where you want or even really like, i know that feeling!
I also believe there are far far more vets that believe they are being cheated by the system, especially when they get out of the service and find there are no jobs, or very low paying ones that they cannot live on because of the high prices.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Of course vets feel that way, but I dont go too easy on it. Many vets should be able to show much greater strength. You have the GI Bill which the NEW one that was passed is amazing.
The new GI bill gives you BAH at E-5 WITH dependents in your zip code, AND pays for books and tuition. All you need to do is show up, and then they combine that with student loans all they have to do is go to class and get at least Cs and they are golden.
Not to mention all the help disabled vets get.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Of course vets feel that way, but I dont go too easy on it. Many vets should be able to show much greater strength. You have the GI Bill which the NEW one that was passed is amazing.
The new GI bill gives you BAH at E-5 WITH dependents in your zip code, AND pays for books and tuition. All you need to do is show up, and then they combine that with student loans all they have to do is go to class and get at least Cs and they are golden.
Not to mention all the help disabled vets get. _________________________________________________
I am not sure what you are saying, it appears to me that some of your posts counter others of your posts.
These vets all have great benefits, but are they in a situation to use them, are they capable of fighting the system to get some of them.(disabilty) How many have families which makes it very hard to go back to school.
All they got to do is cash in on all these benefits and their home free for the rest of their lives.
Granted they could help temporarily depending on their conditions and their expenses.
But bottom line is that many people not only vets have a hugh uphill battle to stay above ground with the costs and the hugh expenses that occur in this days economy, no matter what kind of benefits they may be able to receive.(state or federal disability, VA, college assistance-VA or other)
Degrees are not the answer today, although they will help you get an edge on the other people that are buying for the same jobs with no degree, which there are fewer and fewer of...jobs
These are part of the points they are protesting and many of these problems and more, have been created by big money.
Seems like your trying any angle to convince us that these protesters are the bad guys and establishment are the good guys, are you really sure you believe that?
It should be easy to convince us here, since many of us posting right now are in not in our thirties anymore and should be swaying towards the establishment side, because that's what older guys do in general when they get older.
But that does not seem to be the case.
I think most are fed up with the greed they have created and what they are creating for the next generation and many to come if we don't reverse the trend.
Hopefully it doesn't have to go beyond protests to get the point, otherwise were all in for some real bad times.
There is a link to a elderly woman getting shoved down the stairs by these freaks.
Protesters assaulting mcdonalds employees for not giving out free food. My goodness the list of crimes coming out of these groups is so foul and evil. I cant believe people and so many of you here trash the Tea Party, but you give these losers a pass because they remind you of when you were growing up in the 60s or whenever. These losers get a pass because they "fight the system".
Makes me sick. Maybe more people should VOTE instead of complain, then I might take them more seriously. Im not talking about being herded up in large groups in urban core areas and bused to the polls by special interest groups tied to one party like we saw in 2008
You know what? When I was in Ramadi in 2005 we had elections in what was known as the most violent and dangerous city in the world at that time. We were attacked daily, and the citizens of Ar Ramadi in the sunni triangle were threatened by the insurgent groups that if they left their homes to vote on election day then they would be killed. More people showed up to vote on election day per capita than in the United States for elections. I f I remember correctly the numbers were double who showed up facing death.
We cant even get 60% of the population to vote here in the United States. So when actual voters show up to protest and rally...actual taxpayers and they get smeared left and right because they dont agree with Obama and a liberal ideology.....then these freak shows show up in these large groups...pretty much micro woodstocks all over the country and assault people, trash parks, and firebomb vehicles...somehow "they are just standing up to corporate greed".
Im sure it reminds all of the older liberals just how much fun sex drugs and rock and roll was back in the day...im sure it was great. This is a different breed of protesters.
If the media and the rest of the left keeps giving these freaks a pass its going to erupt into situations like south central after the rodney king beating.
I got news for you Obama fans, the energy that was there in 2008 is NOT going to be there in 2012. Obama is going to see a massive shift from Independents against him. His own liberal base is upset at him for not being liberal enough. AANNNDDD Bush hasnt been the President for years (although some people seem to think he still is).
Republicans can win with a half ass candidate this time around.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Please tell me why these occupy wall st protesters are here in this burger king wanting to shut it down?
Again...Tea Party or Occupy Wall St....major difference
Posted by glassman on :
LOL when they were holding town meetings about "Obamacare" there were hundreds of people threatening other people on youtube... i can find 100's of crazy Tparty videos cash, it's a waste of time...
teabaggers are pigs with the IQ of a fig
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL when they were holding town meetings about "Obamacare" there were hundreds of people threatening other people on youtube... i can find 100's of crazy Tparty videos cash, it's a waste of time...
Yeah what a freakin weirdo. Look I never said that the Tea Party did not have their dull knives, but the occupy wall st is a whole different story. They are like packs of rabid animals constantly moving and trashing everything. How can you keep comparing that? Does the Tea Party spray paint on walls and throw chairs through businesses? Did they shut down the port in Oakland and assault law enforcement? You cant compare the two no matter how much you wish they were similar!
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: teabaggers are pigs with the IQ of a fig
You mean flea baggers...because they are showing their IQ at these protests loud and clear.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL when they were holding town meetings about "Obamacare" there were hundreds of people threatening other people on youtube... i can find 100's of crazy Tparty videos cash, it's a waste of time...
Yeah what a freakin weirdo. Look I never said that the Tea Party did not have their dull knives, but the occupy wall st is a whole different story. They are like packs of rabid animals constantly moving and trashing everything. How can you keep comparing that? Does the Tea Party spray paint on walls and throw chairs through businesses? Did they shut down the port in Oakland and assault law enforcement? You cant compare the two no matter how much you wish they were similar!
cash, there's wierdo's everywhere, even at Penn St football. I'm not defnding any of them, it is you who are defending the TParty.
Posted by glassman on :
cash, i want you to watch or read The Grapes of Wrath as soon as possible....
they were having the same sort of struggles in the 30's too...
and the 1700's and the 1800's... in fact it's never stopped...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Im sure it reminds all of the older liberals just how much fun sex drugs and rock and roll was back in the day...im sure it was great. This is a different breed of protesters."
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Every era has a little different twist.
Like glassman said there are always some that take advantage of a situation beyond what it should be.
The problem is what is it going to take to get a change?
Have you ever read about a place in Sothern Ca. called Watts?
It took a lot there to try and change the situation.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Look guys, I am not saying something isnt wrong here because there is. These protesters originally came as ghandi, and now they move like marx. If some local occupy wall st pops up in MY town the first thing that comes to my mind:
unclean/unshaven, drugs, violence, disturbance of the peace, anarchists, and general overall concerns for safety. If the Tea Party came, the only thing liberals would have to fear is an ideology they dont like.
Ill tell you what we really need. We need term limits, and to cut congresses pension/benefits. I mean, you can get elected to congress, resign over a scandal and still live the high life. THAT is messed up.
I mean these people are carrying flags saying death to capitalism when that is such a moronic statement. Their drive for success is so low, and overall general knowledge that if there was communism like many want...its going to be the same thing. Hell, it would be even worse. You would have an even more super elite. Its the same people with power with a stronger iron fist. Just because the political system changes doesnt mean the desire for power doesnt. Capitalism is the best system of them all.
Posted by buckstalker on :
Cash...you are completely missing "the message"
STOP watching the "radicals" that the right wants you to see and STOP listening to the "radical message" the right wants you to hear...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Look guys, I am not saying something isnt wrong here because there is. These protesters originally came as ghandi, and now they move like marx. If some local occupy wall st pops up in MY town the first thing that comes to my mind:
unclean/unshaven, drugs, violence, disturbance of the peace, anarchists, and general overall concerns for safety. If the Tea Party came, the only thing liberals would have to fear is an ideology they dont like.
Ill tell you what we really need. We need term limits, and to cut congresses pension/benefits. I mean, you can get elected to congress, resign over a scandal and still live the high life. THAT is messed up.
I mean these people are carrying flags saying death to capitalism when that is such a moronic statement. Their drive for success is so low, and overall general knowledge that if there was communism like many want...its going to be the same thing. Hell, it would be even worse. You would have an even more super elite. Its the same people with power with a stronger iron fist. Just because the political system changes doesnt mean the desire for power doesnt. Capitalism is the best system of them all."
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I don't know what kind of town you live in CashCowMoo, but you have made one thing clear to me, your judging people strictly by their appearance.
You are trying to justify this by taking indivuals that are doing one thing and saying all others that look like them do the same thing, far from the case
That is your business but it sure makes for a very small world.
Hopefully over time your perception gets better, but unfortuantly that usually does not happen.
We all do this some and it's very easy to get caught in that idea especially as we get older.
That's why i try and stay involved with younger people as much as possible, they help keep my mind from going into stagnation on what is really going on today.
Every one has their own perceptions of people and events, that's what makes up this world for better or worse.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I am not judging people based on their appearance, I am just calling a spade a spade. Let me help you. First, ask yourself. How many people have been arrested at occupy wall st rallies compared to tea party rallies? I bet the variance is big. That alone should tell most people something, but again...the blind eye is always apparent.
People dress (or not) themselves in ways that reflect their interests. For example, crips and bloods wear identifying colors. Does EVERY young black male wearing red mean they are in the bloods? No, but if you see a group of them together all wearing read you can be safe in assuming based on probabilities.
Filthy
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: cash, i want you to watch or read The Grapes of Wrath as soon as possible....
they were having the same sort of struggles in the 30's too...
and the 1700's and the 1800's... in fact it's never stopped...
And in the future the same will happen. It will never change, but can be controlled. We get rid of capitalism you can bet its going to get worse.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
am not judging people based on their appearance, I am just calling a spade a spade. Let me help you. First, ask yourself. How many people have been arrested at occupy wall st rallies compared to tea party rallies? I bet the variance is big. That alone should tell most people something, but again...the blind eye is always apparent.
People dress (or not) themselves in ways that reflect their interests. For example, crips and bloods wear identifying colors. Does EVERY young black male wearing red mean they are in the bloods? No, but if you see a group of them together all wearing read you can be safe in assuming based on probabilities.
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Good luck on those thoughts.
Probabilities of what?
Be carefull you don't find yourself hiding in a closet.
Quit being sucked in by the establishment, everybody isn't bad because they don't act or dress like them, even though they would like us to believe that!
Try and enjoy life a little more, come down to So. Ca and enjoy the sun and surf you will only see people in bathing suits, some pretty skimpy on the girls, hope you have nothing against that, if you do you might as well stay at home.
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Posted by glassman on :
We get rid of capitalism you can bet its going to get worse.
Capitalism already failed cash. That's what happend in '08 when Bush annunced he had to implement TARP. Capitalism failed, and he admitted it by asking for TARP.
The 82-year-old Mr. Greenspan said he made "a mistake" in his hands-off regulatory philosophy, which many now blame in part for sparking the global economic troubles. He quoted something he had written in March: "Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholder's equity (myself especially) are in a state of shocked disbelief."
He conceded that he has "found a flaw" in his ideology and said he was "distressed by that." Yet Mr. Greenspan maintained that no regulator was smart enough to foresee the "once-in-a-century credit tsunami."
that "flaw" we found is the lynchpin of Capitaism right?
can't you see that? the TPaty tries to blame it on Govt, which is not really wrong, but the govt has been a toy of the major corporations for decades now. In Capitalism you have freemarkets- we haven't had freemarkets here since about the time of the beginning of prohibition when my grandparents were born.
the "occupy" people are ten years too late. they are reactionaries. so are the TParty people for that matter.
i've been to quite few third world places. the difference between US and them is shrinking. that difference is only the size of the middle class.
in the third world you have no middle class, you have the very rich and the very poor- here that middle class is shrinking faster and faster
Posted by rounder1 on :
I agree with much of what you said in that last post, Glass. I think that most people that take an honest look have to admit that everyone got fooled. However, I don't know that I believe that is a failure of Capitalism. Rather I would entertain the notion Capitalism won. That it always wins. Perhaps America just found itself at odds with how capitalism is supposed to work and therefore ended up on the wrong team.
I don't have much time left to explain my thoughts fully today, but consider this:
Perhaps what happened here is that Government is too powerful and Greed (capitalism) is too strong. In such a scenario, Government and Capitalism teamed up (as it was mutually beneficial) and out of preservation to both sides passed laws and adopted corperate ideologies that served protect each other.
In the end, however, the marketplace eventually acted as it would have had been unfettered (once no policy or accounting tricks could be used to hide what was going on any longer). I would say that the free market won..... it could no longer be restrained. I am wondering what that says about where we were in our mentalities. We *******ized capitalism and when it tried to push "reset" we felt some significant economic pain.
Problem is.....we still didn't allow for a full correction IMO.....cause we have been trying to artificially boost the economy. But have little to nothing at addressing causes.....only been treating symptoms. I am not going to start a debate over the legitmacy for TARP and other bailouts. I have come to realize that sometimes triage has to be done before you can treat the root cause.
Problem is not Capitalism, IMO. The problem from my view is the Government is entirely to powerful. The Government will always be comprised of People. People are always corruptable. Money and Power are the two greatest corruptors. Capitalism and strong Central Government make a bad marriage for the average person because they can cover up for each other. Capitalism works, the crisis showed that. It also showed how bad things can be if it is allowed to marry up with a big government.
What scares me is that people *******ized Capitalism and it bit them....but it did not destroy them. In their pain, many people are turning to more socialistic points of view not realizing that it was socialistic points of that politicians used in order to *******ize our capatalistic system in the first place.
Sorry for the rant....and for any grammar and spelling issues. No time to proof read.
Posted by glassman on :
a "full correction" would have left us without food in the grocery stores at any price.
farmers don't work 100 acres anymore, they "manage" 1000's of acres. They borrow millions every season to plant, ferilise, pest control, and harvest their feilds...
heck you can hardly even buy and own the seed you purchase anymore, you only get the rights to sell the grains for food.
your chicken and pork? it comes from "meat factories" that all run on revolving credit...
that was all going to have to be taken over by "govt" agencies if the bailouts had not been issued...
there is no perfcet system, i'm not anti-capitalist or pro-socialist, i just don't believe that any system is moron-proof..
Posted by raybond on :
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The state's new collective bargaining law was defeated Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign that pitted firefighters, police officers and teachers against the Republican establishment.
In a political blow to GOP Gov. John Kasich, voters handily rejected the law, which would have limited the bargaining abilities of 350,000 unionized public workers. With more than a quarter of the votes counted late Tuesday, 63 percent of votes were to reject the law.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said victory for unions was achieved among Democrats and Republicans in urban and rural counties.
"Ohio sent a message to every politician out there: Go in and make war on your employees rather than make jobs with your employees, and you do so at your own peril," he said.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The state's new collective bargaining law was defeated Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign that pitted firefighters, police officers and teachers against the Republican establishment.
In a political blow to GOP Gov. John Kasich, voters handily rejected the law, which would have limited the bargaining abilities of 350,000 unionized public workers. With more than a quarter of the votes counted late Tuesday, 63 percent of votes were to reject the law.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said victory for unions was achieved among Democrats and Republicans in urban and rural counties.
"Ohio sent a message to every politician out there: Go in and make war on your employees rather than make jobs with your employees, and you do so at your own peril," he said.
that's good news.... the GOP needs to go back to the drawing board
Posted by rounder1 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: a "full correction" would have left us without food in the grocery stores at any price.
farmers don't work 100 acres anymore, they "manage" 1000's of acres. They borrow millions every season to plant, ferilise, pest control, and harvest their feilds...
heck you can hardly even buy and own the seed you purchase anymore, you only get the rights to sell the grains for food.
your chicken and pork? it comes from "meat factories" that all run on revolving credit...
that was all going to have to be taken over by "govt" agencies if the bailouts had not been issued...
there is no perfcet system, i'm not anti-capitalist or pro-socialist, i just don't believe that any system is moron-proof..
I agree. The scenarios you lay out are directly related to "we the people" allowing capitalism to marry government. Capitalism is a self serving greed driven system and will always try to control government because it is advantageous for it to do so. Government is always for sale because it is advantageous for it as well.
Central Government should be weak in this regard. Weak to the point that capitalism does not see the value in spending money to control it.
BTW, with regard to your examples......you may like the book FastFood Nation.....if you have not already read it......it talks in great detail about the points you made.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Just read about new "save haven tents" they are setting up where women can go to be safe from the rapes and sexual assaults going on at these occupy movements.
Do any of you that have kids...well GRANDKIDS...would you want them hanging out at these things? Did they need safe tents at tea party rallies to protect women from rapists, homeless/mentally ill people? I didnt think so.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: We get rid of capitalism you can bet its going to get worse.
Capitalism already failed cash. That's what happend in '08 when Bush annunced he had to implement TARP. Capitalism failed, and he admitted it by asking for TARP.
The 82-year-old Mr. Greenspan said he made "a mistake" in his hands-off regulatory philosophy, which many now blame in part for sparking the global economic troubles. He quoted something he had written in March: "Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholder's equity (myself especially) are in a state of shocked disbelief."
He conceded that he has "found a flaw" in his ideology and said he was "distressed by that." Yet Mr. Greenspan maintained that no regulator was smart enough to foresee the "once-in-a-century credit tsunami."
that "flaw" we found is the lynchpin of Capitaism right?
can't you see that? the TPaty tries to blame it on Govt, which is not really wrong, but the govt has been a toy of the major corporations for decades now. In Capitalism you have freemarkets- we haven't had freemarkets here since about the time of the beginning of prohibition when my grandparents were born.
the "occupy" people are ten years too late. they are reactionaries. so are the TParty people for that matter.
i've been to quite few third world places. the difference between US and them is shrinking. that difference is only the size of the middle class.
in the third world you have no middle class, you have the very rich and the very poor- here that middle class is shrinking faster and faster
Capitalism didnt fail its still alive but with flaws as every system has and always will. It may have had some failURES, but it isnt the system its the people in it.
Posted by glassman on :
Capitalism didnt fail
wrong! our system totally collapsed. why do you think we are still stuck with 9% unemployment.
you don't really beleive the GOP has the solution to the problem do you? All this partisan crap has people beleiving in myths.
"the system" is not to blame, true, it is people as you suggest, but people are too willing to accept excuses.
for example. the drug co's have been sued thru their eyes for lying. Ye thtey are still in business and making PROFIT:
Another probe involves charges that GSK used the Medicaid system improperly to make additional profit from sales to the federal program, while the Avandia case covers investigations into the way the drug was developed and then marketed.
In mid-2010, GSK took a $2.4 billion charge after settling most patient liability claims relating to Avandia, as well as an investigation into its former factory at Cidra in Puerto Rico, and anti-trust and product liability litigation over antidepressant Paxil.
Several other leading drugmakers have also struck big-ticket settlement deals in United States in recent years, or have been forced to take big charges in anticipation of such deals.
Only last month, Abbott Laboratories took a $1.4 billion charge related to attempts to settle a U.S. federal investigation into marketing of its Depakote anticonvulsant drug.
In 2009, Pfizer paid $2.3 billion for pitching its now-withdrawn Bextra arthritis drug and another dozen medicines to patients and doctors for unapproved uses. Eli Lilly paid $1.4 billion the same year after being accused of improperly marketing its antipsychotic drug Zyprexa for use in children and elderly patients.
in all of these cases, the companies have denied wrongdoing and refused to admit to wrongdoing while SUPPOSEDLY paying billions and billions in fines.
crime pays cash. that's the lesson. As long as you are wearing the "right" clothes. These corporations all seem to be able to hurt and kill people for profit and nobody goes to jail. Instead, we put pot dealers in jail. LOL... The "capitalist" system we now have is broken, has been broken for along time,.
Posted by raybond on :
40,000 Americans Joined Credit Unions On ‘Bank Transfer Day,’ 24 Times The Usual Rate
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 9, 2011 at 9:00 am
ThinkProgress reported last week that 650,000 Americans joined credit unions over the past month, more than in all of 2010 combined. On Saturday, activists across the nation rallied Americans to move their money from the nation’s big banks to community banks and credit unions.
Now, the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) reports that 40,000 Americans joined credit unions this past Saturday, adding $80 million in new savings account funds. That’s a rate 24 times higher than the average day in 2010, when 1,643 people joined.
If you are interested in moving your money from one of the nation’s big banks to a community bank or credit union, use the Banxodus tool here.
Posted by raybond on :
Special Topic
Occupy Atlanta Encamps In Neighborhood To Save Police Officer’s Home From Foreclosure
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 8, 2011 at 11:30 am
Occupy Atlanta has repeatedly run into hurdles, as it has been evicted from Woodruff Park in Atlanta multiple times by the city’s unsympathetic mayor, Kasim Reed. Yet the group was invigorated yesterday as it moved to a new location to take action for economic justice.
Last week, Tawanna Rorey’s husband, a police officer based in Gwinnett County, e-mailed Occupy Atlanta to explain that his home was going to be foreclosed on and his family was in danger of being evicted on Monday. So within a few hours Occupy Atlanta developed an action plan to move to Snellville, Georgia on Monday to stop the foreclosure. At least two dozen protesters encamped on the family’s lawn, to the applause of neighbors and bystanders:
Nearly two dozen protesters assembled Monday afternoon at Tawanna Rorey’s four-bedroom home in a neighborhood just south of Snellville, clogging the narrow, winding street that runs in front of the house with cars, vans and TV trucks. Many neighbors stopped to gawk at the spectacle and even honked their car horns in support of the crowd. [...] [The protesters] set up two tents in the front yard, draped a “This Home is Occupied” sign over the porch railing and handed out bottled water and granola bars to other members The Sheriff’s Department did not come to evict the Roreys that day. A spokesman for the department told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the foreclosure process is still ongoing and that it has not scheduled an eviction. “It’s a good cause,” said Diona Murray, one of the Roreys’ neighbors, about the occupation. “If we don’t take a stand, who will?”
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: 40,000 Americans Joined Credit Unions On ‘Bank Transfer Day,’ 24 Times The Usual Rate
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 9, 2011 at 9:00 am
ThinkProgress reported last week that 650,000 Americans joined credit unions over the past month, more than in all of 2010 combined. On Saturday, activists across the nation rallied Americans to move their money from the nation’s big banks to community banks and credit unions.
Now, the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) reports that 40,000 Americans joined credit unions this past Saturday, adding $80 million in new savings account funds. That’s a rate 24 times higher than the average day in 2010, when 1,643 people joined.
If you are interested in moving your money from one of the nation’s big banks to a community bank or credit union, use the Banxodus tool here.
I thought that was pretty cool. Credit unions around where I live have a good reputation. Nobody ever seems to have many if any problems like they do elsewhere. I remember back in 2008 when I went into Bank of America where I had some business accounts. Its a long story but the lady who handled business accounts didnt understand simple fundamentals in the business to bank relationship. It was shocking and I switched my accounts to a very local bank with only 6 branches. The sad thing is that this year that bank went under after fighting to keep it what it was through this mess. Another local area bank assumed responsibility and really nothing is changed. Its as if the transition never happened at all.
Posted by glassman on :
Another local area bank assumed responsibility and really nothing is changed. Its as if the transition never happened at all.
that is how the "bailout" system is supposed to work. The FDIC identifies "at risk" banks and finds "not at risk" banks to take them over. It's cheaper (for taxpayers) than allowing the bank to fail and then having to cough up the FDIC insurance to pay off the accounts. It saves money because the banks that fail do have assets but hey may not be *liquid*. It's (mostly) the illiquidity that causes them to fail. The more liquid banks are able to assume the illiquid assets without them going to a bankruptcy auction and bringing back pennies on the dollar... Once alot of auctions bring pennies on the dollar then all assets become less worth...
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Disease, rape, murder, drugs, anarchism, etc. Its all Wall Street's fault!
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) – The home base for Occupy Atlanta has tested positive for tuberculosis.
The Fulton County Health Department confirmed Wednesday that residents at the homeless shelter where protesters have been occupying have contracted the drug-resistant disease. WGCL reports that a health department spokeswoman said there is a possibility that both Occupy Atlanta protesters and the homeless people in the shelter may still be at risk since tuberculosis is contracted through air contact.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Disease, rape, murder, drugs, anarchism, etc. Its all Wall Street's fault!
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) – The home base for Occupy Atlanta has tested positive for tuberculosis.
The Fulton County Health Department confirmed Wednesday that residents at the homeless shelter where protesters have been occupying have contracted the drug-resistant disease. WGCL reports that a health department spokeswoman said there is a possibility that both Occupy Atlanta protesters and the homeless people in the shelter may still be at risk since tuberculosis is contracted through air contact.
without the bailouts? this would have been epidemic and not just in isolated areas.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"Disease, rape, murder, drugs, anarchism, etc. Its all Wall Street's fault!
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) – The home base for Occupy Atlanta has tested positive for tuberculosis.
The Fulton County Health Department confirmed Wednesday that residents at the homeless shelter where protesters have been occupying have contracted the drug-resistant disease. WGCL reports that a health department spokeswoman said there is a possibility that both Occupy Atlanta protesters and the homeless people in the shelter may still be at risk since tuberculosis is contracted through air contact."
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And your point is?
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Posted by glassman on :
And your point is?
his pointseems obvious to me...
he thinks "occuppy people are scum and don't deserve to enjoy the rights provided byt he Constitution... but TParty are "qulity" people and deserve to enjoy the rights the Constitution provides..
in other words, class warfare is OK as long as the lower classes know their place and stay in it.....
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By Glassman:
his pointseems obvious to me...
he thinks "occuppy people are scum and don't deserve to enjoy the rights provided byt he Constitution... but TParty are "qulity" people and deserve to enjoy the rights the Constitution provides..
in other words, class warfare is OK as long as the lower classes know their place and stay in it.....
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Pretty much the way i interpret what he has been saying all along.
He just has different events and circumstances to try and convince us that somehow these guys that have all this power really deserve to do anything they want.
Hard for me to swallow but that's just my opinion.
The big question CashCowMoo is do you Really believe that these elite one's deserve this kind pedestal?
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Posted by raybond on :
Like a sign I read by a 99% person. Its only called class warfare when we fight back.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Look through these pictures mannnnnnnn. It has despair written all over them.
It appears that you are just trying to keep this thread alive that you started!
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No, that is not the point. I know it hurts for some people to see what they are supporting. Now there are reports of these groups making home made weapons for use on police.
Also, in occupy Oakland they were waving islamic banners....in arabic. I just remember how this board trashed the people who attended the tea party rallies. The only problems they had were people who dont agree with their political views. Here, we have the opposite side of the people spectrum.
Tea party is full of farmers, ranchers, business owners, retirees, and people from a generation that came from hard work.
occupy wall st represents the opposite. TB is breaking out in camps, urine bottles everywhere, rapes continue to be reported, assaults, trashing everything, its just getting ugly. It IS ugly.
Then, when someone says "look at how these people are behaving". Then the response is "well who cares when wall st did this and that". So the violence and rape is justified because of our political situation.
Thats like saying Joe Paterno is allowed to not report sexual abuse by a man on little boys because it would harm the football program. The ends justify the means. Thats another thing, people are crying and rioting over paterno leaving. REALLY? I mean the guy knew what was going on and just turned a blind eye, but he gets a pass because of the football program?
This nations moral compass is broken. All in the name of "being progressive". Well if occupy wall st....throwing chairs through starbucks windows is progressive then I want nothing of it. Same thing with these judges who protect sex offenders.
Posted by glassman on :
I just remember how this board trashed the people who attended the tea party rallies. The only problems they had were people who dont agree with their political views. Here, we have the opposite side of the people spectrum.
actually cash, the case against the Tparty people was made here over political disagreemnets while you are not even discussing the political validity of the "Occupy" movement. The TParty IS Palin, Perry ,Beck, Bachman and none of them are viable candidates...
instead yo have focused on what the media wants you too..
remeber the Media is all big corporations.. they are Wall St...
i don't see any "occupy party" candidates....
Posted by glassman on :
this kind of thing happens all thre time, you cannot keep the derelicts out, the derelicts don't represent the people who really care.
the "need" for an oocupy movement is because Congress is owned by corporate AMERICA, AND IT WON'T GO AWAY jut cuz the cops moved the protesters on....
Newly sprung ex-cons and vagrants rousted from other parks are crashing the Occupy Wall Street protest, where gourmet meals are free and boozy, drug fueled parties are on tap, the movement’s leaders griped yesterday.
“They’re telling people who leave prison to go to Zuccotti Park,” lamented Daniel Zetah, a leader of the OWS community-relations group.
Volunteer Lauren Digioia, 26, said, “We have drug dealing going on here, gang activity, public intoxication. There are a lot of instigators. There are a lot of vultures.
“Everyone knows we give out free food and sleeping bags, and it’s a perfect opportunity for squatters.”
Digioia said she recently met a man who just before getting sprung from Rikers, was told by a fellow inmate to hit Zuccotti for the free accommodations.
The frustrated organizers said they’re brainstorming how to launch a protest within the protest to target the drunken, stoned layabouts.
The derelicts, organizers say, are terrorizing people who are there to support the movement.
“There’s a lot of drugs, alcohol, assault [and] theft [by] the homeless groups coming in. We’ve had meetings all day to brainstorm what to do,’’ said Zetah, 34.
The hardened thugs are having a field day preying on overly trusting protesters, many of whom hail from small towns, leaders said.
it always amuses me when people who want less govt (for themesleves) want the govt to do something to somebody else Posted by raybond on :
Five Reasons Why Veterans Are Part Of The 99 Percent
By Lee Fang on Nov 11, 2011 at 11:30 am
Veterans protest with the 99 Percent near Wall Street The 99 Percent Movement has attracted students, labor unions, unemployed workers, teachers, artists, singers, writers, former real estate brokers, political activists, people who have given up on the traditional political system, and thousands more. But a growing contingent seen at Occupy Wall Street solidarity protests all across the country are veterans.
The signs of a veterans movement are everywhere, from new groups dedicated to supporting veterans in the occupy movement, to thousands of veterans showing up at street actions. And despite condescending rhetoric from the right-wing media, veterans have every reason to be there:
1.) Veterans Deserve Economic Justice: Thousands of veterans returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are finding a grim job market. Veterans who served since 9/11 experience a 12.1% unemployment rate, which is higher than the national average, while one in three male veterans are jobless. Recent reports have showed that the number of homeless veterans is surging, while there are insufficient job placement programs.
2.) Veterans Embrace Occupy Wall Street Out Of Love For Country: A growing number of veterans groups are enthusiastically embracing the movement. Although some are demonstrating against a terrible economic conditions, many are doing so out of simple patriotism. Thousands have marched near Zuccotti Park and at other occupy encampments with a message about taking their country back from the grip of lobbyists and predatory financial institutions. One iconic sign, held by a veteran at Occupy Wall Street, summed up the sentiment: “Second time I’ve fought for my country. First time I’ve known my enemy.”
3.) The Banks Are Preying On Veterans: Big banks have found ways to rip off and ruin the men and women who placed their lives on the line for this country. According to a recent whistleblower lawsuit, some of the nation’s biggest banks, including Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and J.P. Morgan Chase, “defrauded veterans and taxpayers out of hundreds of millions of dollars by disguising illegal fees in veterans’ home refinancing loans.” Fly-by-night scam for-profit universities, many of which are owned by Wall Street investment banks, heavily target veterans with fraudulent educational programs. While military families struggle to get by all over the country, defense contractor CEO’s earn as much as $19 million a year.
4.) K Street Domination Of Government Means Defense Money Goes To War Profiteering Corporations Over Veterans: America spends more on the military than most of our rival nations combined. Yet much of that money, because of the influence of defense contractors and other private military interests, is spent on expensive weapons we never use instead of on rank and file soldiers. Revolving door lobbyists, who go from the Pentagon to K Street firms, have secured over a trillion in wasteful spending to companies like Lockheed Martin.
5.) During The Economic Downturn, Veterans Programs Are Being Cut And Privatized As Well: As Republicans and their allies have succeeded so far in pushing an austerity agenda of massive government cuts, veterans have also been targeted. According to a recent analysis by Military.com of a CBO study outlining suggested cuts, Congress is debating proposals to cap military basic pay and limiting veterans health benefits. Notably, the Defense Business Board is also considering a move to privatize the military pension program, swapping it out with a 401k system. If there is another crisis on Wall Street, veterans could lose see their retirement benefits wiped out if such a system is put in place.
In many cases, veterans have been the most visible victims of police brutality: like in Boston, where police violently raided a group of peaceful veterans occupying a city plaza, and in Oakland, where police fractured the skull of Scott Olson, an Iraq veteran, with a shot from a projectile aimed at protesters.
Occupy Wall Street solidarity protests will hold Veterans Day events to stand with veterans in cities across America, from Colorado Springs to San Diego, to Syracuse, to Chicago, to Denver, to Missoula, to Sacramento, to Gainesville, and beyond.
Posted by raybond on :
Homeless Veterans, By The Numbers
By Pat Garofalo on Nov 11, 2011 at 9:00 am
Today is Veterans Day, a day to honor the men and women serving in the U.S. armed forces. Sadly, this year’s Veterans Day falls on the same week as the release of a new study showing that veterans not only make up a disproportionate percentage of the homeless population, but also stay homeless for longer. In fact, “on average, veterans were homeless for 5.7 years while others reported that they were homeless for 3.9 years.”
The Center for American Progress has put together this list showing the unfortunate facts behind veterans’ homelessness, illustrating the struggle that the men and women of the armed forces face when they return home:
50 percent: Rate at which veterans are more likely than other Americans to become homeless. The Obama administration has set a goal of ending veteran homelessness by 2015.
About 75,000: Number of veterans who are homeless on any given night, according to estimates from the Veterans Administration.
About 20,000: Number of veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan who were homeless in the past five years according to the Veterans Administration.
5.5 percent: Percentage of homeless vets who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan in the overall homeless population, according to the Veterans Administration.
This Veteran’s Day, spare a though for those vets who served their country and yet still spend the night out on the streets. See here for more numbers illustrating “the challenges that confront our service members and veterans before, during, and after deployments, from combat stress injuries to unemployment.”
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
Of course vets feel that way, but I dont go too easy on it. Many vets should be able to show much greater strength. You have the GI Bill which the NEW one that was passed is amazing.
The new GI bill gives you BAH at E-5 WITH dependents in your zip code, AND pays for books and tuition. All you need to do is show up, and then they combine that with student loans all they have to do is go to class and get at least Cs and they are golden.
Not to mention all the help disabled vets get.
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How is what RayBond posted above possible with all these great benefits that veterans recieve.
All these veterans have to do is apply for them and their home free, they also have a great job placement center at the VA.
With all the money they receive from all the programs thay should be sitting with the big boys at wall street, not sleeping in the streets and protesting against the system that made them rich.
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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
They dont get THAT much money iwish. The benefits for veterans are great foot in the door tools. Its on the veteran to create something or become successful.
I didnt expect to be handed a job just because I am a vet. You have to work towards it.
There are plenty of veteran CEOs of companies. Some people just dont want to take risks, or try that hard to create something great.
BTW, new news today from the new flea party movement, just sick. These people are pissing me off.
"Five people at the Occupy L.A. encampment have been charged with separate crimes, including a man who allegedly exposed himself and commited a sex act in front of a child, officials said Tuesday."
I sure hope all of you who have children and continuously defend these out of control occupation movements are concerned.
"these occupy" people are not the ones that are the criminals. it's the criminals that exist all the time showing up for a "party".....
it's happened throughout history this way... even in Rome:
glass, I will check it out for sure and I am not disagreeing with you on why this event is happening. Did you see how the Tea Party protested though? They got their people elected into office as opposed to what this occupy movement is doing. You might not like who they got in, but they went about it the smart way. The problem is that I personally am not a fan of the tea party in the republican party because they want to stall on many things and not compromise.
As a republican, they should be able to agree upon the tax code going back up to 39 percent for the uber rich. At the same TIME close all the tax loopholes and end the subsidies for large corporations of various industries. Massive spending cuts must also take place. With the two extremes addressed and the budget put back in order then begin tax reform...real tax reform. How many pages is the total IRS code again?
If we could cut spending, allow the tax rate to go back to clinton era, and close the loopholes we would solve a lot of problems. Then there would be more money to spend on education and infrastructure. It takes both sides to compromise and I think Obama was up for massive cuts, and to open up new lands for oil and gas drilling (domestic). The house speaker and the new tea partiers said no way as long as they want the tax rate to move.
Posted by glassman on :
Did you see how the Tea Party protested though?
yes, i saw them show up at town hall parties and complain loudly to their elected reps about how Obamacare would cut their medicare.....
guess what? we cannot afford to keep paying medicare at the rates we are....
i know a congressman that was hung in effigy outside his own office...
the whole time they were protesting, they were saying they had to be peaceful.. Beck repeatd it over and over again.. because h knew he was creating a situation where just one whiff of violence would set off alot more....
the "occupy" movement was not designed to be "political have you listened to any the coherent ones? they don't have a list of "demands", they don't support Obama--they are fed up with both parties...
the Tparty has multiple factions too. there are the get rid of Obama at any cost groups and there's the real libertarians, and then you have the cut govt regualtions cuz they cost too much money groups (Koch's contribution)... but govt govt regulations do creat jobs, i've shown you that over and over again... they create jobs for all kinds of people...
i want to repeat this part again. The media not exclusively on the internet IS Wall St.- Even Fox is a publicly traded company thru Newsgroup....
the media does not support "occupy"
NPR/NPTV? even they are funded by politicians AND by big business... heck i was watching Nova (on public TV) the other night and saw it is funded (in part) by David Koch- that's the younger of the Koch Bros who are the major funders of the TParty....
i don't really see anybody here "defending" any of the bad behaviuour going on at "occupy"...
but i do beleivie in the 1st ammendment....
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:
"They dont get THAT much money iwish. The benefits for veterans are great foot in the door tools. Its on the veteran to create something or become successful.
I didnt expect to be handed a job just because I am a vet. You have to work towards it.
There are plenty of veteran CEOs of companies. Some people just dont want to take risks, or try that hard to create something great.
BTW, new news today from the new flea party movement, just sick. These people are pissing me off.
"Five people at the Occupy L.A. encampment have been charged with separate crimes, including a man who allegedly exposed himself and commited a sex act in front of a child, officials said Tuesday."
I sure hope all of you who have children and continuously defend these out of control occupation movements are concerned." _________________________________________________
I know CashCowMoo veterans don't get that much, that was my point early on, it isn't bad if you are single as far as education benefits are concerned.
As far as disability is concerned, it can be decent with some disabilities and others it's disgusting how little they pay.
The more disability you get the less likely you are to be able to work or go to school or maybe do anything else having to do with quality of life.
Education benefits are there but it takes the right circumstances to be able to take advantage of them, as is the case for school grants etc.
As far as disability is concerned, some veterans are not even capable of fighting the system to get benefits, let alone file for them.(lots of depression out there, etc)
I know there are veterans groups and in recent years lawyers to help get some benefits for veterans, but that is whole separate story there.
One of the points in the discussion has to do with the opportunities that are out there for all and the reason there should not be protests against the big boys system.
There are always chances to move up the ladder at anything, some of these opportunities are available through dumb luck, sometimes it has to do with how much we push in the right direction, who we know, who our parents are, etc. etc.
Different people have different situations that can hinder them from getting ahead.
I have never thought that because i got ahead at something that everyone else should be able to do the same thing.
Especially since being in the service and seeing and knowing many indivuals that had to fight a big uphill battle to stay on top of the little things, just because of their backgrounds and how and where they were raised.
The bottom line here is that over the last 20+ years the average middle class person, (not addressing the lower class person) chances of getting ahead even with all these other factors included have been diminished greatly.
And that would include those who think they are on top of the situation. Their chances of getting ahead anymore are slim because the big boys what to much control of the game and they don't pass much down the ladder to us, they have not for a long time.
They want everyone to believe that all these great opportunities do exist for every indivual just like our constitution reads, like it was in the past.
In the mean time the big boys, take most off the top side for their families and close friends, while trying to get some loyal followers to spread the word on how great the opportunities are that they have created for all and put down anyone who says otherwise
They want us to praise them for their gift to humanity while sticking it to us at the same time.
And some people wonder why there are protests.
As far as indivuals breaking the law as in rapes etc.
Do you think that when you start having these large gathering's of people that small percentages of people are not going to have their own agenda's that are intermixed.
Probably it's the big boys paying these indivuals to break the laws so they can take more money from us and make the protesters look bad...conspiracy theory.
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Posted by raybond on :
Reporters For Right-Wing Publication Daily Caller Beaten By NYPD, Helped By Protesters
By Zaid Jilani posted from ThinkProgress Special Topic on Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm
The Daily Caller's Michelle Fields faced abuse from the NYPD and help from protesters. The right-wing Daily Caller website has been anything but kind to Occupy Wall Street, even going so far as to condemn the protest movement as generating riots, murder, and arson.
But when a couple of Daily Caller employees were at Occupy Wall Street this morning, it was the very protesters they had been demonizing who ended up helping them out. Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields — who faced off with actor Matt Damon earlier this year over education policy — and videographer Direna Cousins both claim they were attacked by the New York Police Department (NYPD) while covering the raucous protests in the Financial District today. Fields added that Occupy Wall Street protesters immediately came up to her to offer their help:
“Direna had a camera in her hand and I had a microphone, and we were being hit,” she said. “When I fell to the ground I said at one point, ‘I’m just covering this! I’m covering this!’ And the officer just said, ‘Come on, get up, get up,’ before pulling me up by my jacket.’” “The protesters came up to me right away and asked if I needed any medical assistance. They were actually very kind and helpful. It was the police officers who were very aggressive,” Fields added.
Fields says that protesters right now are effectively “barricaded” in Zuccotti Park, which was the spot from which they were ousted from on Tuesday
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Today seems to be a pretty big day for the movement, they are scrambling all over many cities. Its actually neat to watch them picketing and beating drums chanting. I see they fly the American flag upside down now too. Not too fond of that.
You know, if these people just policed their own crowds more and cleaned up after themselves it wouldnt be so bad. They are just making everyone mad now.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: Reporters For Right-Wing Publication Daily Caller Beaten By NYPD, Helped By Protesters
By Zaid Jilani posted from ThinkProgress Special Topic on Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm
The Daily Caller's Michelle Fields faced abuse from the NYPD and help from protesters. The right-wing Daily Caller website has been anything but kind to Occupy Wall Street, even going so far as to condemn the protest movement as generating riots, murder, and arson.
But when a couple of Daily Caller employees were at Occupy Wall Street this morning, it was the very protesters they had been demonizing who ended up helping them out. Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields — who faced off with actor Matt Damon earlier this year over education policy — and videographer Direna Cousins both claim they were attacked by the New York Police Department (NYPD) while covering the raucous protests in the Financial District today. Fields added that Occupy Wall Street protesters immediately came up to her to offer their help:
“Direna had a camera in her hand and I had a microphone, and we were being hit,” she said. “When I fell to the ground I said at one point, ‘I’m just covering this! I’m covering this!’ And the officer just said, ‘Come on, get up, get up,’ before pulling me up by my jacket.’” “The protesters came up to me right away and asked if I needed any medical assistance. They were actually very kind and helpful. It was the police officers who were very aggressive,” Fields added.
Fields says that protesters right now are effectively “barricaded” in Zuccotti Park, which was the spot from which they were ousted from on Tuesday
That's the genuine protesters in action, not the infiltrators.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
smart tactic by the police to barricade them into certain areas. Not sure it will work for the long run.
Posted by glassman on :
I see they fly the American flag upside down now too. Not too fond of that.
that's a distress signal, not a disrespect symbol.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Yeah glass that is what it is SUPPOSED to mean, but after watching these people urinate, defecate, and burn the American flag in public I am betting a MAJORITY of these people who are flying it upside down are doing it thinking it means down with America type of mentality.
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Yeah glass that is what it is SUPPOSED to mean, but after watching these people urinate, defecate, and burn the American flag in public I am betting a MAJORITY of these people who are flying it upside down are doing it thinking it means down with America type of mentality.
I haven't seen any of that......
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
Yes you have.
Jordan, what type of champagne do you drink?
Posted by jordanreed on :
no I haven't ...don't drink champagne....the protests i have seen..and i participated here in st paul..were totally peaceful,clean, and respectful. These protesters want change, I thought you did too.This isn't a political movement, its not left against right...yet you take that position. I don't get you...you are a young man yet u seem like an old george wallace type...Your version of the protests are flat out wrong.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I know this is not a left vs right, but the left wants everyone to take these protesters with open arms. When the Tea Party was going around it was a whole different type of coverage. I cant believe people are still in denial about this.
Not ALL occupy groups are trashy, but thats just because their numbers are so much smaller.
I dont have a problem with the message, I have a problem with the messenger.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I know this is not a left vs right, but the left wants everyone to take these protesters with open arms. When the Tea Party was going around it was a whole different type of coverage. I cant believe people are still in denial about this.
Not ALL occupy groups are trashy, but thats just because their numbers are so much smaller.
I dont have a problem with the message, I have a problem with the messenger.
LOL.... the messengers that the corporate media picks for you to see....
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I have seen the "happy" side of this glass on Rachel Maddow (the mecca for this forum it seems).
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I have seen the "happy" side of this glass on Rachel Maddow (the mecca for this forum it seems).
i don't watch her, so i have no idea what she says about them. i have kids that are not "occupying", but thru them, and their friends on facebook and other online media, i keep up with what they are doing. I support responsible protests even when i don't agree with their political views, because that's how our country was founded to run... peaceful assembly was how our Revolution started wasn't it?
i don't need anybody to tell me how screwed up Wall St is cash, if you recall, i've tried my best to splain what i've been able to figure out what has been going on.
the bankers have US taxpayers over a barrel. i defended the bailouts cuz i don't want to have to forage for food, but i don't like them... get it, necessary evil and all of that in order to keep the fabric of society from being shredded?
i expected alot more peopl to go to jail, and i don't mean madoff ponzi scammers, i mean peopel who lied to invstors about the quality of mortgage bonds, and their derivatives... it was Fraud.
what has haoppened is that this country has been robeed by the Enron trading group... after Enron failed they all went out into other areas of trading and reamed everything. you should know this.
if the cops are not willing to enforce the law for the protestors, but willing to enforce it against them? the cops will lose in the end too...
there is no "core" of the occupy movement. no list o'demands, no political party affiliation.
YOU want them to be on 'bama's side or on liberals side cuz you see what you want to see....
Posted by glassman on :
the TParty movement had all kinds of crazy people and signs too, i ignored them rather than post them here over and over again; i focus(ed) on the issues nott he "messengers" as you openly admit. It seems that you don't even understand the implications of your admission... people "expressing their right to bear arms" was one recurring theme at the TParty protests. i own plenty of guns, but i don't feel compelled to strap 'em on and go to a protest and people who do that are looking for trouble...
Posted by buckstalker on :
LOL Tex...you have such an eloquent way of expressing yourself
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Posted by glassman on :
Check this out, talk about "counterculture":
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