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LOL when they were holding town meetings about "Obamacare" there were hundreds of people threatening other people on youtube... i can find 100's of crazy Tparty videos cash, it's a waste of time...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL when they were holding town meetings about "Obamacare" there were hundreds of people threatening other people on youtube... i can find 100's of crazy Tparty videos cash, it's a waste of time...
Yeah what a freakin weirdo. Look I never said that the Tea Party did not have their dull knives, but the occupy wall st is a whole different story. They are like packs of rabid animals constantly moving and trashing everything. How can you keep comparing that? Does the Tea Party spray paint on walls and throw chairs through businesses? Did they shut down the port in Oakland and assault law enforcement? You cant compare the two no matter how much you wish they were similar!
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL when they were holding town meetings about "Obamacare" there were hundreds of people threatening other people on youtube... i can find 100's of crazy Tparty videos cash, it's a waste of time...
Yeah what a freakin weirdo. Look I never said that the Tea Party did not have their dull knives, but the occupy wall st is a whole different story. They are like packs of rabid animals constantly moving and trashing everything. How can you keep comparing that? Does the Tea Party spray paint on walls and throw chairs through businesses? Did they shut down the port in Oakland and assault law enforcement? You cant compare the two no matter how much you wish they were similar!
cash, there's wierdo's everywhere, even at Penn St football. I'm not defnding any of them, it is you who are defending the TParty.
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"Im sure it reminds all of the older liberals just how much fun sex drugs and rock and roll was back in the day...im sure it was great. This is a different breed of protesters."
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Every era has a little different twist.
Like glassman said there are always some that take advantage of a situation beyond what it should be.
The problem is what is it going to take to get a change?
Have you ever read about a place in Sothern Ca. called Watts?
It took a lot there to try and change the situation.
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Look guys, I am not saying something isnt wrong here because there is. These protesters originally came as ghandi, and now they move like marx. If some local occupy wall st pops up in MY town the first thing that comes to my mind:
unclean/unshaven, drugs, violence, disturbance of the peace, anarchists, and general overall concerns for safety. If the Tea Party came, the only thing liberals would have to fear is an ideology they dont like.
Ill tell you what we really need. We need term limits, and to cut congresses pension/benefits. I mean, you can get elected to congress, resign over a scandal and still live the high life. THAT is messed up.
I mean these people are carrying flags saying death to capitalism when that is such a moronic statement. Their drive for success is so low, and overall general knowledge that if there was communism like many want...its going to be the same thing. Hell, it would be even worse. You would have an even more super elite. Its the same people with power with a stronger iron fist. Just because the political system changes doesnt mean the desire for power doesnt. Capitalism is the best system of them all.
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"Look guys, I am not saying something isnt wrong here because there is. These protesters originally came as ghandi, and now they move like marx. If some local occupy wall st pops up in MY town the first thing that comes to my mind:
unclean/unshaven, drugs, violence, disturbance of the peace, anarchists, and general overall concerns for safety. If the Tea Party came, the only thing liberals would have to fear is an ideology they dont like.
Ill tell you what we really need. We need term limits, and to cut congresses pension/benefits. I mean, you can get elected to congress, resign over a scandal and still live the high life. THAT is messed up.
I mean these people are carrying flags saying death to capitalism when that is such a moronic statement. Their drive for success is so low, and overall general knowledge that if there was communism like many want...its going to be the same thing. Hell, it would be even worse. You would have an even more super elite. Its the same people with power with a stronger iron fist. Just because the political system changes doesnt mean the desire for power doesnt. Capitalism is the best system of them all."
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I don't know what kind of town you live in CashCowMoo, but you have made one thing clear to me, your judging people strictly by their appearance.
You are trying to justify this by taking indivuals that are doing one thing and saying all others that look like them do the same thing, far from the case
That is your business but it sure makes for a very small world.
Hopefully over time your perception gets better, but unfortuantly that usually does not happen.
We all do this some and it's very easy to get caught in that idea especially as we get older.
That's why i try and stay involved with younger people as much as possible, they help keep my mind from going into stagnation on what is really going on today.
Every one has their own perceptions of people and events, that's what makes up this world for better or worse.
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I am not judging people based on their appearance, I am just calling a spade a spade. Let me help you. First, ask yourself. How many people have been arrested at occupy wall st rallies compared to tea party rallies? I bet the variance is big. That alone should tell most people something, but again...the blind eye is always apparent.
People dress (or not) themselves in ways that reflect their interests. For example, crips and bloods wear identifying colors. Does EVERY young black male wearing red mean they are in the bloods? No, but if you see a group of them together all wearing read you can be safe in assuming based on probabilities.
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am not judging people based on their appearance, I am just calling a spade a spade. Let me help you. First, ask yourself. How many people have been arrested at occupy wall st rallies compared to tea party rallies? I bet the variance is big. That alone should tell most people something, but again...the blind eye is always apparent.
People dress (or not) themselves in ways that reflect their interests. For example, crips and bloods wear identifying colors. Does EVERY young black male wearing red mean they are in the bloods? No, but if you see a group of them together all wearing read you can be safe in assuming based on probabilities.
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Good luck on those thoughts.
Probabilities of what?
Be carefull you don't find yourself hiding in a closet.
Quit being sucked in by the establishment, everybody isn't bad because they don't act or dress like them, even though they would like us to believe that!
Try and enjoy life a little more, come down to So. Ca and enjoy the sun and surf you will only see people in bathing suits, some pretty skimpy on the girls, hope you have nothing against that, if you do you might as well stay at home.
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We get rid of capitalism you can bet its going to get worse.
Capitalism already failed cash. That's what happend in '08 when Bush annunced he had to implement TARP. Capitalism failed, and he admitted it by asking for TARP.
The 82-year-old Mr. Greenspan said he made "a mistake" in his hands-off regulatory philosophy, which many now blame in part for sparking the global economic troubles. He quoted something he had written in March: "Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholder's equity (myself especially) are in a state of shocked disbelief."
He conceded that he has "found a flaw" in his ideology and said he was "distressed by that." Yet Mr. Greenspan maintained that no regulator was smart enough to foresee the "once-in-a-century credit tsunami."
that "flaw" we found is the lynchpin of Capitaism right?
can't you see that? the TPaty tries to blame it on Govt, which is not really wrong, but the govt has been a toy of the major corporations for decades now. In Capitalism you have freemarkets- we haven't had freemarkets here since about the time of the beginning of prohibition when my grandparents were born.
the "occupy" people are ten years too late. they are reactionaries. so are the TParty people for that matter.
i've been to quite few third world places. the difference between US and them is shrinking. that difference is only the size of the middle class.
in the third world you have no middle class, you have the very rich and the very poor- here that middle class is shrinking faster and faster
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I agree with much of what you said in that last post, Glass. I think that most people that take an honest look have to admit that everyone got fooled. However, I don't know that I believe that is a failure of Capitalism. Rather I would entertain the notion Capitalism won. That it always wins. Perhaps America just found itself at odds with how capitalism is supposed to work and therefore ended up on the wrong team.
I don't have much time left to explain my thoughts fully today, but consider this:
Perhaps what happened here is that Government is too powerful and Greed (capitalism) is too strong. In such a scenario, Government and Capitalism teamed up (as it was mutually beneficial) and out of preservation to both sides passed laws and adopted corperate ideologies that served protect each other.
In the end, however, the marketplace eventually acted as it would have had been unfettered (once no policy or accounting tricks could be used to hide what was going on any longer). I would say that the free market won..... it could no longer be restrained. I am wondering what that says about where we were in our mentalities. We *******ized capitalism and when it tried to push "reset" we felt some significant economic pain.
Problem is.....we still didn't allow for a full correction IMO.....cause we have been trying to artificially boost the economy. But have little to nothing at addressing causes.....only been treating symptoms. I am not going to start a debate over the legitmacy for TARP and other bailouts. I have come to realize that sometimes triage has to be done before you can treat the root cause.
Problem is not Capitalism, IMO. The problem from my view is the Government is entirely to powerful. The Government will always be comprised of People. People are always corruptable. Money and Power are the two greatest corruptors. Capitalism and strong Central Government make a bad marriage for the average person because they can cover up for each other. Capitalism works, the crisis showed that. It also showed how bad things can be if it is allowed to marry up with a big government.
What scares me is that people *******ized Capitalism and it bit them....but it did not destroy them. In their pain, many people are turning to more socialistic points of view not realizing that it was socialistic points of that politicians used in order to *******ize our capatalistic system in the first place.
Sorry for the rant....and for any grammar and spelling issues. No time to proof read.
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a "full correction" would have left us without food in the grocery stores at any price.
farmers don't work 100 acres anymore, they "manage" 1000's of acres. They borrow millions every season to plant, ferilise, pest control, and harvest their feilds...
heck you can hardly even buy and own the seed you purchase anymore, you only get the rights to sell the grains for food.
your chicken and pork? it comes from "meat factories" that all run on revolving credit...
that was all going to have to be taken over by "govt" agencies if the bailouts had not been issued...
there is no perfcet system, i'm not anti-capitalist or pro-socialist, i just don't believe that any system is moron-proof..
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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The state's new collective bargaining law was defeated Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign that pitted firefighters, police officers and teachers against the Republican establishment.
In a political blow to GOP Gov. John Kasich, voters handily rejected the law, which would have limited the bargaining abilities of 350,000 unionized public workers. With more than a quarter of the votes counted late Tuesday, 63 percent of votes were to reject the law.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said victory for unions was achieved among Democrats and Republicans in urban and rural counties.
"Ohio sent a message to every politician out there: Go in and make war on your employees rather than make jobs with your employees, and you do so at your own peril," he said.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The state's new collective bargaining law was defeated Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign that pitted firefighters, police officers and teachers against the Republican establishment.
In a political blow to GOP Gov. John Kasich, voters handily rejected the law, which would have limited the bargaining abilities of 350,000 unionized public workers. With more than a quarter of the votes counted late Tuesday, 63 percent of votes were to reject the law.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said victory for unions was achieved among Democrats and Republicans in urban and rural counties.
"Ohio sent a message to every politician out there: Go in and make war on your employees rather than make jobs with your employees, and you do so at your own peril," he said.
that's good news.... the GOP needs to go back to the drawing board
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: a "full correction" would have left us without food in the grocery stores at any price.
farmers don't work 100 acres anymore, they "manage" 1000's of acres. They borrow millions every season to plant, ferilise, pest control, and harvest their feilds...
heck you can hardly even buy and own the seed you purchase anymore, you only get the rights to sell the grains for food.
your chicken and pork? it comes from "meat factories" that all run on revolving credit...
that was all going to have to be taken over by "govt" agencies if the bailouts had not been issued...
there is no perfcet system, i'm not anti-capitalist or pro-socialist, i just don't believe that any system is moron-proof..
I agree. The scenarios you lay out are directly related to "we the people" allowing capitalism to marry government. Capitalism is a self serving greed driven system and will always try to control government because it is advantageous for it to do so. Government is always for sale because it is advantageous for it as well.
Central Government should be weak in this regard. Weak to the point that capitalism does not see the value in spending money to control it.
BTW, with regard to your examples......you may like the book FastFood Nation.....if you have not already read it......it talks in great detail about the points you made.
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Just read about new "save haven tents" they are setting up where women can go to be safe from the rapes and sexual assaults going on at these occupy movements.
Do any of you that have kids...well GRANDKIDS...would you want them hanging out at these things? Did they need safe tents at tea party rallies to protect women from rapists, homeless/mentally ill people? I didnt think so.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: We get rid of capitalism you can bet its going to get worse.
Capitalism already failed cash. That's what happend in '08 when Bush annunced he had to implement TARP. Capitalism failed, and he admitted it by asking for TARP.
The 82-year-old Mr. Greenspan said he made "a mistake" in his hands-off regulatory philosophy, which many now blame in part for sparking the global economic troubles. He quoted something he had written in March: "Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholder's equity (myself especially) are in a state of shocked disbelief."
He conceded that he has "found a flaw" in his ideology and said he was "distressed by that." Yet Mr. Greenspan maintained that no regulator was smart enough to foresee the "once-in-a-century credit tsunami."
that "flaw" we found is the lynchpin of Capitaism right?
can't you see that? the TPaty tries to blame it on Govt, which is not really wrong, but the govt has been a toy of the major corporations for decades now. In Capitalism you have freemarkets- we haven't had freemarkets here since about the time of the beginning of prohibition when my grandparents were born.
the "occupy" people are ten years too late. they are reactionaries. so are the TParty people for that matter.
i've been to quite few third world places. the difference between US and them is shrinking. that difference is only the size of the middle class.
in the third world you have no middle class, you have the very rich and the very poor- here that middle class is shrinking faster and faster
Capitalism didnt fail its still alive but with flaws as every system has and always will. It may have had some failURES, but it isnt the system its the people in it.
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wrong! our system totally collapsed. why do you think we are still stuck with 9% unemployment.
you don't really beleive the GOP has the solution to the problem do you? All this partisan crap has people beleiving in myths.
"the system" is not to blame, true, it is people as you suggest, but people are too willing to accept excuses.
for example. the drug co's have been sued thru their eyes for lying. Ye thtey are still in business and making PROFIT:
Another probe involves charges that GSK used the Medicaid system improperly to make additional profit from sales to the federal program, while the Avandia case covers investigations into the way the drug was developed and then marketed.
In mid-2010, GSK took a $2.4 billion charge after settling most patient liability claims relating to Avandia, as well as an investigation into its former factory at Cidra in Puerto Rico, and anti-trust and product liability litigation over antidepressant Paxil.
Several other leading drugmakers have also struck big-ticket settlement deals in United States in recent years, or have been forced to take big charges in anticipation of such deals.
Only last month, Abbott Laboratories took a $1.4 billion charge related to attempts to settle a U.S. federal investigation into marketing of its Depakote anticonvulsant drug.
In 2009, Pfizer paid $2.3 billion for pitching its now-withdrawn Bextra arthritis drug and another dozen medicines to patients and doctors for unapproved uses. Eli Lilly paid $1.4 billion the same year after being accused of improperly marketing its antipsychotic drug Zyprexa for use in children and elderly patients.
in all of these cases, the companies have denied wrongdoing and refused to admit to wrongdoing while SUPPOSEDLY paying billions and billions in fines.
crime pays cash. that's the lesson. As long as you are wearing the "right" clothes. These corporations all seem to be able to hurt and kill people for profit and nobody goes to jail. Instead, we put pot dealers in jail. LOL... The "capitalist" system we now have is broken, has been broken for along time,.
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40,000 Americans Joined Credit Unions On ‘Bank Transfer Day,’ 24 Times The Usual Rate
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 9, 2011 at 9:00 am
ThinkProgress reported last week that 650,000 Americans joined credit unions over the past month, more than in all of 2010 combined. On Saturday, activists across the nation rallied Americans to move their money from the nation’s big banks to community banks and credit unions.
Now, the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) reports that 40,000 Americans joined credit unions this past Saturday, adding $80 million in new savings account funds. That’s a rate 24 times higher than the average day in 2010, when 1,643 people joined.
If you are interested in moving your money from one of the nation’s big banks to a community bank or credit union, use the Banxodus tool here.
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Occupy Atlanta Encamps In Neighborhood To Save Police Officer’s Home From Foreclosure
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 8, 2011 at 11:30 am
Occupy Atlanta has repeatedly run into hurdles, as it has been evicted from Woodruff Park in Atlanta multiple times by the city’s unsympathetic mayor, Kasim Reed. Yet the group was invigorated yesterday as it moved to a new location to take action for economic justice.
Last week, Tawanna Rorey’s husband, a police officer based in Gwinnett County, e-mailed Occupy Atlanta to explain that his home was going to be foreclosed on and his family was in danger of being evicted on Monday. So within a few hours Occupy Atlanta developed an action plan to move to Snellville, Georgia on Monday to stop the foreclosure. At least two dozen protesters encamped on the family’s lawn, to the applause of neighbors and bystanders:
Nearly two dozen protesters assembled Monday afternoon at Tawanna Rorey’s four-bedroom home in a neighborhood just south of Snellville, clogging the narrow, winding street that runs in front of the house with cars, vans and TV trucks. Many neighbors stopped to gawk at the spectacle and even honked their car horns in support of the crowd. [...] [The protesters] set up two tents in the front yard, draped a “This Home is Occupied” sign over the porch railing and handed out bottled water and granola bars to other members The Sheriff’s Department did not come to evict the Roreys that day. A spokesman for the department told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the foreclosure process is still ongoing and that it has not scheduled an eviction. “It’s a good cause,” said Diona Murray, one of the Roreys’ neighbors, about the occupation. “If we don’t take a stand, who will?”
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: 40,000 Americans Joined Credit Unions On ‘Bank Transfer Day,’ 24 Times The Usual Rate
By Zaid Jilani on Nov 9, 2011 at 9:00 am
ThinkProgress reported last week that 650,000 Americans joined credit unions over the past month, more than in all of 2010 combined. On Saturday, activists across the nation rallied Americans to move their money from the nation’s big banks to community banks and credit unions.
Now, the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) reports that 40,000 Americans joined credit unions this past Saturday, adding $80 million in new savings account funds. That’s a rate 24 times higher than the average day in 2010, when 1,643 people joined.
If you are interested in moving your money from one of the nation’s big banks to a community bank or credit union, use the Banxodus tool here.
I thought that was pretty cool. Credit unions around where I live have a good reputation. Nobody ever seems to have many if any problems like they do elsewhere. I remember back in 2008 when I went into Bank of America where I had some business accounts. Its a long story but the lady who handled business accounts didnt understand simple fundamentals in the business to bank relationship. It was shocking and I switched my accounts to a very local bank with only 6 branches. The sad thing is that this year that bank went under after fighting to keep it what it was through this mess. Another local area bank assumed responsibility and really nothing is changed. Its as if the transition never happened at all.
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Another local area bank assumed responsibility and really nothing is changed. Its as if the transition never happened at all.
that is how the "bailout" system is supposed to work. The FDIC identifies "at risk" banks and finds "not at risk" banks to take them over. It's cheaper (for taxpayers) than allowing the bank to fail and then having to cough up the FDIC insurance to pay off the accounts. It saves money because the banks that fail do have assets but hey may not be *liquid*. It's (mostly) the illiquidity that causes them to fail. The more liquid banks are able to assume the illiquid assets without them going to a bankruptcy auction and bringing back pennies on the dollar... Once alot of auctions bring pennies on the dollar then all assets become less worth...
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Disease, rape, murder, drugs, anarchism, etc. Its all Wall Street's fault!
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) – The home base for Occupy Atlanta has tested positive for tuberculosis.
The Fulton County Health Department confirmed Wednesday that residents at the homeless shelter where protesters have been occupying have contracted the drug-resistant disease. WGCL reports that a health department spokeswoman said there is a possibility that both Occupy Atlanta protesters and the homeless people in the shelter may still be at risk since tuberculosis is contracted through air contact.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Disease, rape, murder, drugs, anarchism, etc. Its all Wall Street's fault!
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) – The home base for Occupy Atlanta has tested positive for tuberculosis.
The Fulton County Health Department confirmed Wednesday that residents at the homeless shelter where protesters have been occupying have contracted the drug-resistant disease. WGCL reports that a health department spokeswoman said there is a possibility that both Occupy Atlanta protesters and the homeless people in the shelter may still be at risk since tuberculosis is contracted through air contact.
without the bailouts? this would have been epidemic and not just in isolated areas.
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"Disease, rape, murder, drugs, anarchism, etc. Its all Wall Street's fault!
ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) – The home base for Occupy Atlanta has tested positive for tuberculosis.
The Fulton County Health Department confirmed Wednesday that residents at the homeless shelter where protesters have been occupying have contracted the drug-resistant disease. WGCL reports that a health department spokeswoman said there is a possibility that both Occupy Atlanta protesters and the homeless people in the shelter may still be at risk since tuberculosis is contracted through air contact."
he thinks "occuppy people are scum and don't deserve to enjoy the rights provided byt he Constitution... but TParty are "qulity" people and deserve to enjoy the rights the Constitution provides..
in other words, class warfare is OK as long as the lower classes know their place and stay in it.....
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he thinks "occuppy people are scum and don't deserve to enjoy the rights provided byt he Constitution... but TParty are "qulity" people and deserve to enjoy the rights the Constitution provides..
in other words, class warfare is OK as long as the lower classes know their place and stay in it.....
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Pretty much the way i interpret what he has been saying all along.
He just has different events and circumstances to try and convince us that somehow these guys that have all this power really deserve to do anything they want.
Hard for me to swallow but that's just my opinion.
The big question CashCowMoo is do you Really believe that these elite one's deserve this kind pedestal?
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