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After saying Obama has ‘hatred for white people,’ Beck claims, ‘I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people.’ Discussing the upcoming meeting at the White House between President Obama, Henry Louis Gates, Jr. and Officer Jim Crowley, Glenn Beck declared that it was “unbelievable” that the three would meet for a “teachable moment” about a sensitive issue in American life. “Who needs to learn what here?” asked Beck, adding, “this president has exposed himself, I think, as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or white culture.” Challenged by Brian Kilmeade, Beck then claimed that he wasn’t saying Obama “doesn’t like white people”:
KILMEADE: But listen, you can’t say he doesn’t like white people. David Axelrod’s white, Rahm Emanuel’s his chief of staff, this, I think 70 percent of the people we see everyday are white. Robert Gibbs is white.
BECK: I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people. I’m saying he has a problem. He has a, this guy is, I believe, a racist. Look the way, look at the things he has been surrounded by.
According to the thesaurus, the antonym of hate is like. So, yes, when Glenn Beck says Obama has a “hatred” of white people he is saying that “he doesn’t like white people.”
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Well when you attended a church for MANY years with a black liberation activist for a pastor some people may question your personal harbors.
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I was actually watching when that exchange took place. Kilmeade was trying to say that Obama couldn't be against all white people since he had placed white people into his Czar cabinet. Beck made the point that he (Obama) wasn't against all white people, but that he (Beck) believed that Obama has a deep seated 'anti-whitey' belief system.
Against what The (White) Man stands for, but not against all white men.
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: "Against what The (White) Man stands for, but not against all white men."
What exactly does The (White) Man stand for?
Probably for freedom to go to voting locations without having black panthers guarding the doors with weapons intimidating voters into voting for Obama as we saw last election.
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: "Against what The (White) Man stands for, but not against all white men."
What exactly does The (White) Man stand for?
Being white this made me reflect......
"faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money."......Tom T. Hall (I think)
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: "Against what The (White) Man stands for, but not against all white men."
What exactly does The (White) Man stand for?
That depends on who you ask, Wally. For the standard, myopic, controversial answer, you can ask several people that know Pres. Obama...
Jeremiah Wright: –"Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n-----."
– "To say “I am a Christian” is not enough. Why? Because the Christianity of the slaveholder is not the Christianity of the slave. The God to whom the slaveholders pray as they ride on the decks of the slave ship is not the God to whom the enslaved are praying as they ride beneath the decks on that slave ship."
Michelle Obama:
From the February 11, 2007, edition of CBS’ 60 Minutes: KROFT: This is a tough question to ask, but a number of years ago, Colin Powell was thinking about running for president, and his wife, Alma, really did not want him to run.
MICHELLE OBAMA: Mm-hmm.
KROFT: She was worried about some crazy person with a gun.
MICHELLE OBAMA: Mm-hmm.
KROFT: Is that something that you think about?
MICHELLE OBAMA: I don’t lose sleep over it, because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know. So, you know, you can’t — you know, you can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen. We just weren’t raised that way.
Or ask him directly...
Pres. Obama:
I can no more disown him[Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator.
I can’t help but view the American experience through the lens of a black man of mixed heritage, forever mindful of how generations of people who looked like me were subjugated and stigmatized, and the subtle and not so subtle ways that race and class continue to shape our lives.
Rightly or wrongly, white guilt has largely exhausted itself in America; even the most fair-minded of whites, those who would genuinely like to see racial inequality ended and poverty relieved, tend to push back against suggestions of racial victimization—or race-specific claims based on the history of race discrimination in this country.Posts: 1802 | From: Utah | Registered: Mar 2008
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"Against what The (White) Man stands for, but not against all white men."
I thought that this was your comment. So I was asking you to explain what it means to you not take a few quotes from a few individuals who didn't make the comment.
In fact the quotes you referenced were more about the experience of being black in America not about what the "WHITE MAN" stands for.
So, since you made the comment, what does it mean to you?
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: "Against what The (White) Man stands for, but not against all white men."
I thought that this was your comment. So I was asking you to explain what it means to you not take a few quotes from a few individuals who didn't make the comment.
In fact the quotes you referenced were more about the experience of being black in America not about what the "WHITE MAN" stands for.
So, since you made the comment, what does it mean to you?
That's gonna be like getting blood from a turnip wally!
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I don't think the 'White Man' stands for anything any more than the 'Black Man' stands for anything.
Just by using the generalization, you categorically ignore the fact that there are both good and bad people from all ethnicities. This is why I cannot stand it when racism is reflexively used as a trump card for any confrontation between members of different 'races.' We saw this in the Gates\Crowley incident. First thing out of Obama's mouth (paraphrased) was "I don't know anything about the situation..." quickly followed by "But the white cop was an idiot..." and "Just goes to show what racism still exists in America."
Not, "I don't know the details so I'll reserve judgement until I do...", but that it had to be a racist cop putting down the innocent black professor.
DAMN WHITEY!!!!
The reaon I added the quotes above is to show what keeps the spectre of racism alive. It's the refusal to let go of the past and acknowledge the strides that have been made. Bill Cosby has been almost universally outcast by many leaders in the 'black community' because of this very message.
Rev. Wright epitomizes the thoughts and actions that have prevented and continue to prevent black America from moving ahead and achieving their potential as a people. He suggests that this United States of America made up of sons and daughters of immigrants (I'm talking of the millions of 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants in this country) of every race, creed, color and religion, each and everyone of them who had nothing to do with slavery, somehow owe something to a group of people who have never been slaves? It's amazing. It seems everyone is to blame for the shambles black society is in with its violence, drugs, high school drop out rates, misogyny, and a host of other real and virulent problems, except for the very people who engage in such behavior. Enough. As a society, culture or people, they should look within themselves and fix their problems. When did this man become the spokesman for the black church? And of course his church is different, but that doesn't mean his message and philosophy is acceptable, or productive or non-offensive or not-racist or indicative or our greater cultural behaviors, values and norms as Americans.
And yes, the link between this man and Obama really does matter. At a very minimum, it provides insight into the political and philosophical strain that Obama adheres to.
Comment by Bill Cosby - April 28, 2008
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How many of you liberals called George Bush a racist after hurricane Katrina! My goodness....talk about a liberal spin.
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"I don't think the 'White Man' stands for anything any more than the 'Black Man' stands for anything."
Then why use that comment?
"First thing out of Obama's mouth (paraphrased) was "I don't know anything about the situation..." quickly followed by "But the white cop was an idiot..." and "Just goes to show what racism still exists in America."
Not a paraphrase but a complete misquote of what was said. I wonder why?
"Not, "I don't know the details so I'll reserve judgement until I do...", but that it had to be a racist cop putting down the innocent black professor."
Again a misrepresentation of what was stated.
"DAMN WHITEY!!!!"
"The reaon I added the quotes above is to show what keeps the spectre of racism alive. It's the refusal to let go of the past and acknowledge the strides that have been made"
pretty ironic since your comments show that racism is alive and that you refuse to let go of the very same things that you accuse Obama and Gates of.
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quote:That's gonna be like getting blood from a turnip wally!
How so, P?
I think Pagen is saying that he/she is: not a dude, or not white, or not a white dude.
We could all play "guess what Pagen is"!!!!!
I am going to go with a White "Goth" Chick
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quote:That's gonna be like getting blood from a turnip wally!
How so, P?
I think Pagen is saying that he/she is: not a dude, or not white, or not a white dude.
We could all play "guess what Pagen is"!!!!!
I am going to go with a White "Goth" Chick
I think I will go with that your an idiot. Seems about right. You moogirl,SF, and Lockfool are just right wingnuts. Your petty sad attempts at attacking me are foolish at best.
PS: learn to spell.
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Because it's the term that is floated to reference the racism that exists. If you happen to have a better terminology for it, I will happily employ it.
quote:Not a paraphrase but a complete misquote of what was said. I wonder why?
I can't seem to find a transcript of the healthcare 'infomercial' that the comment came from, but if you go over to Daily Show
you'll see the video of his response. My paraphrase is, imho, pretty accurate. If you disagree? That's ok, too.
quote:pretty ironic since your comments show that racism is alive and that you refuse to let go of the very same things that you accuse Obama and Gates of.
ROFL. I have many character flaws, Wally. Racism, however, isn't one of them. What do you think that I've posted that would lead you to believe otherwise?
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quote:That's gonna be like getting blood from a turnip wally!
How so, P?
I think Pagen is saying that he/she is: not a dude, or not white, or not a white dude.
We could all play "guess what Pagen is"!!!!!
I am going to go with a White "Goth" Chick
I think I will go with that your an idiot. Seems about right. You moogirl,SF, and Lockfool are just right wingnuts. Your petty sad attempts at attacking me are foolish at best.
PS: learn to spell.
Sorry I missed spelled your name. It is not a word I use very often. As for the rest....I was not trying to attack you at all. Just being playful.....If it was offensive; I apologize.
I don't usually attack with animation.....but the concept is deceptively sneaky and I will keep it mind for future reference.
Seriously Pagan, I am just funnin' around trying to lighten the mood a little.....thought it was a little amusing.....had no malicious intentions.
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all i gotta say, i dunno if this is off topic or what b.c i dont feel like reading all this post but now a days its the black people who are racist...most jobs you have to be a certain color to get jobs now and its not white.. look at all who are just on goverment needs blaming the white people all day b.c they dont have a job. but all i gotta say is go get a job and quite reling on me to feed your family
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"Because it's the term that is floated to reference the racism that exists"
Really? I must not watch enough Fox Channel because I haven't heard that since the 60's and early 70's.
I can't seem to find a transcript of the healthcare 'infomercial' that the comment came from, but if you go over to Daily Show
"you'll see the video of his response. My paraphrase is, imho, pretty accurate. If you disagree? That's ok, too."
Thanks for the clip it's really funny but Obama said that the CAMBRIDGE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACTED STUPIDLY. Probably for arresting a man that was in his own home. Did he act Stupidly by responding in that manner, yes. I think Jon Stewart nailed that.
"ROFL. I have many character flaws, Wally. Racism, however, isn't one of them. What do you think that I've posted that would lead you to believe otherwise?"
The phrase: "what the White Man stands for" is blatantly racist on it's face. It implies that the White Man stands for something different than what Non Whites stand for.
Have strides been made in race relations over the years, of course they have but there is still a segment of society that believes all the old stereotypes. I read many of those on this site. Like Mexicans & Blacks are lazy looking for handouts.
And of course Mooman's urban legend that: "Probably for freedom to go to voting locations without having black panthers guarding the doors with weapons intimidating voters into voting for Obama as we saw last election." or the post above by JDizz.
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It sure is easy for someone to call someone else a racist. Its one of those things if all else fails, pull the race card.
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ROFL. I have many character flaws, Wally. Racism, however, isn't one of them. What do you think that I've posted that would lead you to believe otherwise?
this:
First thing out of Obama's mouth (paraphrased) was "I don't know anything about the situation..." quickly followed by "But the white cop was an idiot..." and "Just goes to show what racism still exists in America."
you heard a black man critisize a white man and you were (racially) offended.
it's plain as day.
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quote:The phrase: "what the White Man stands for" is blatantly racist on it's face. It implies that the White Man stands for something different than what Non Whites stand for.
LMAO!!!!
So, am I a white who's racist against myself?
My original use of the term was to try and explain what I understood Mr. Beck's position to be in the interview that Ray cited. Nowhere did I state that I believed that the White Man stood for anything...good OR bad.
That was simply the best way I had to express that opinion as I understood it. Once again, if you have a better way of summarizing it, show me and I will happily adopt it in the future.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: ROFL. I have many character flaws, Wally. Racism, however, isn't one of them. What do you think that I've posted that would lead you to believe otherwise?
this:
First thing out of Obama's mouth (paraphrased) was "I don't know anything about the situation..." quickly followed by "But the white cop was an idiot..." and "Just goes to show what racism still exists in America."
you heard a black man critisize a white man and you were (racially) offended.
it's plain as day.
Being offended, Glass, and being disgusted are two entirely different things. Few things in life offend me because I choose not to be offended. That is a power I refuse to give others. Unlike some that I've been lumped with before (whites, christians, conservatives, etc) I don't rank my personal importance\self esteem with my racial identity. People can insult a member of my ethinicity and it doesn't affect me at all.
I don't care that Obama critized a white man. If that's what you believe my issue with this 'misunderstanding' in Cambridge is, let me assure you that you're mistaken. My concern\frustration is that he admitted that he didn't have the details and immediately threw the race card. I wouldn't have cared if the officer had been hispanic and Obama said what he said. I still would have been upset.
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"I don't care that Obama critized a white man. If that's what you believe my issue with this 'misunderstanding' in Cambridge is, let me assure you that you're mistaken. My concern\frustration is that he admitted that he didn't have the details and immediately threw the race card. I wouldn't have cared if the officer had been hispanic and Obama said what he said. I still would have been upset."
First off let's look at the transcript and not the one liner that has been shown over and over..Only took a minute to find.
"THE PRESIDENT: Well, I should say at the outset that "Skip" Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts. What's been reported, though, is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house, there was a report called into the police station that there might be a burglary taking place -- so far, so good, right? I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now so -- (laughter) -- it probably wouldn't happen. But let's say my old house in Chicago -- (laughter) -- here I'd get shot. (Laughter.)
But so far, so good. They're reporting -- the police are doing what they should. There's a call, they go investigate what happens. My understanding is at that point Professor Gates is already in his house. The police officer comes in, I'm sure there's some exchange of words, but my understanding is, is that Professor Gates then shows his ID to show that this is his house. And at that point, he gets arrested for disorderly conduct -- charges which are later dropped.
Now, I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that, but I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact.
As you know, Lynn, when I was in the state legislature in Illinois, we worked on a racial profiling bill because there was indisputable evidence that blacks and Hispanics were being stopped disproportionately. And that is a sign, an example of how, you know, race remains a factor in this society. That doesn't lessen the incredible progress that has been made. I am standing here as testimony to the progress that's been made.
And yet the fact of the matter is, is that this still haunts us. And even when there are honest misunderstandings, the fact that blacks and Hispanics are picked up more frequently and often time for no cause casts suspicion even when there is good cause. And that's why I think the more that we're working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias, the safer everybody is going to be.
Now going back to your statements that Obama called the White Officer stupid and Criticized a White Man.
First, he did neither if you read the transcript. Second you are the one that keeps posting the "White Man" in detailing this and in explaining why your posts aren't racist. It's clear that the race baiting here is that you in your attempt to qualify Beck's comment and your own have gone overboard in an attempt to make Obama out to be a racist. I wonder why?
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WHERE IS HIS BIRTH CERT????? KNOW ONE HAS EVER SEEN IT, IT GOT LOST!,LMAO JUST WAIT CHIT GONNA HIT THE FAN. TRY TO FINED IT YOU CANT, KNOW ONE CAN,
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Not intentionally trying to be "flip"; but ponder this:
If any person had the ability to preserve one race from extinction.....would they pick one different from their own (interacial couples excluded or persons with I.R. kids).
99% of persons would preserve their own race (yes that is a 100% made up statistic)....but think about it.
You will not get away from racial bias......ever!
That does not mean that, collectively, a society can not move towards equality and fairness.
Obama (which I am no fan of) made a comment that was "racially charged"......I don't care. My Grandfather told me everyday of his life "don't mess with no Niggars"......I dismissed him also.
Good people sometimes have dumba$$ bias.....water is wet too btw.....
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I dont look at skin color. I look at character. If I call someone out on their character and they are not white...the ideology of race card players is to assume im doing racial attacks.
That is what is wrong.
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good point rounder, and pretty much how i feel.
my grandads both used the N word without thinking about it.
i can't help that, and i can't help that black men like Gates and Wrights had to live thru what they did. they will Probably always carry the burdens that make them angry.
i dunno how anybody can say that a black man that lived in the US during the 50's and 60's has nothing to be angry about.
we can keep moving towards equality and fairness by being honest. we can't change the past, but we can change the future
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: good point rounder, and pretty much how i feel.
my grandads both used the N word without thinking about it.
i can't help that, and i can't help that black men like Gates and Wrights had to live thru what they did. they will Probably always carry the burdens that make them angry.
i dunno how anybody can say that a black man that lived in the US during the 50's and 60's has nothing to be angry about.
we can keep moving towards equality and fairness by being honest. we can't change the past, but we can change the future
Dead on.
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I will say this though......as much as I hate conformity, P.C., and most liberal policy......
I will confess that had it not been for changes brought about by one or all three of the aforementioned......"Granddaddy's mindset" would have been the only one that I knew.
That is a scary realization for me on a personal level. I still lean conservative and usually stand for "classic" values....but I wonder at what point the next generation will not be able to tell my views from his.
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There is only one cure for a racist attitude,anyway this worked for me,I like all the white kids where I grew up were racist.Anyway the cure for me was to be forceed to live with the people that I disliked for no reason and education that made you under stand why racim exist today.
Now i will tell you some thing eles raising my children in a open minded and none racist household I can tell you this my kids don't have a racist bone in there body. this just needs to happen everywhere. But it only can change through awareness and working on passing that awareness down. And maybe one day in the future people will be free of this sickness
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