quote:He was the sign of the times. I think he would think differently if he saw what the proliferation of guns has done to society. But the angel remark holds true nonetheless.
I have to disagree. Madison and the rest of the Fathers were creating a system of government that would (in their opinion) be the best for what they called The Natural Laws (or human nature). Human nature has been the same for millenia. Specific environmental factors change, but people are people no matter the century. Alcohol, greed, anger, etc are eternal factors of mankind. Madison was aware of this when he wrote about Americans being armed. He might be discouraged by how far the Feds have managed to extend their hands into the average americans life; and I believe that that alone would cause him to propose MORE guns, not less.
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they should be antsy wherever they go anyway they're cops. they like being antsy.
after the car? then it's the biz, then it'll be the home cuz the cops are antsy.
the cops are not in charge, no matter how much the department of homeland security people would like you to believe that.
you are only looking at it one way... do you want a cop to be pulling a gun on you every time because it's legal to carry one in a car concealed? I wouldn't want an antsy cop with a finger on his trigger everytime he approaches my car on a traffic stop...
The Constitution says you have the right to own a gun but it doesn't say you have the right to carry it everywhere you please and no one else has a say so on that...
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: and I believe that that alone would cause him to propose MORE guns, not less.
Because of course the average American cannot defend himself with just 1 or 2 guns he needs to own 300 guns I guess you average American gun owners are lousy shots
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See...I gots me this piece of paper in my wallet that says I'm trained so no one will worry when they see me walking down the street with my riffle. It's all good.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: See...I gots me this piece of paper in my wallet that says I'm trained so no one will worry when they see me walking down the street with my riffle. It's all good.
ROFL! Similar problem here in Utah. We're an 'open carry' state. If I wanted to I could load up with as many guns as I could strap on and the cops couldn't do anything but harrass me about it. But in the wise words of my CCW class instructor...
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No and I wouldn't wear em if they did!!! Damnable torture devices if you ask me. Mrs. Foot has actually cut off the circulation to her toes before with those things. Didn't get feeling back in her toes for months.
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"No and I wouldn't wear em if they did!!! Damnable torture devices if you ask me. Mrs. Foot has actually cut off the circulation to her toes before with those things. Didn't get feeling back in her toes for months."
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It must have cost a fortune to get shoes that size... special order?
A couple of days ago i was in the hospital for an outpatient procedure.
When i came out of the procedure there was a young guy in the bed next to me in recovery.
I was laying there waiting for a nurse to ask how i was, while three other nurses, one who was his sister, were taking care of him.
I talked briefly with him, then another nurse came by and talked to him and asked to take his picture.
That would really suck since he also just came out to recovery.
Then a few other nurses told the one taking the picture that it is not allowed.
Well to make a longer story short, the nurse that wheeled me to the car ask if i knew who that was.
Of course i really didn't care at the time, but said he was a pro football player.
She could not say who, but he definitely had a foot problem, and was no lineman.
I believe he was a quarterback.
There are times when being a pro player must suck that would be one of them, but then again you are sure to get a nurse to help you anytime, which is not the case with us older guys.
My son said i should have taken his picture and sold it to high bidder.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: There are times when being a pro player must suck that would be one of them, but then again you are sure to get a nurse to help you anytime,
Hot Nurse?
I wonder which QB or player it was? Could help me with handicapping NFL season that is coming up.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Here is something off the subject.
A couple of days ago i was in the hospital for an outpatient procedure.
When i came out of the procedure there was a young guy in the bed next to me in recovery.
I was laying there waiting for a nurse to ask how i was, while three other nurses, one who was his sister, were taking care of him.
I talked briefly with him, then another nurse came by and talked to him and asked to take his picture.
That would really suck since he also just came out to recovery.
Then a few other nurses told the one taking the picture that it is not allowed.
Well to make a longer story short, the nurse that wheeled me to the car ask if i knew who that was.
Of course i really didn't care at the time, but said he was a pro football player.
She could not say who, but he definitely had a foot problem, and was no lineman.
I believe he was a quarterback.
There are times when being a pro player must suck that would be one of them, but then again you are sure to get a nurse to help you anytime, which is not the case with us older guys.
My son said i should have taken his picture and sold it to high bidder.
Guess you are really living up to your name "I WISH I HAD"
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I don't know, but a picture of a back up Quarterback with a bad foot, his name better be Broadway Joe or John Elway.
Maybe a $1.50 for the picture and $50,000 for the procedure... Iwishihadnot
We'll u should of wished for a hot nurse
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PORT ALLEN, LA (WAFB) - A ten-year-old boy left home alone with his sister used his mother's gun to shoot an intruder in the face, police said.
Late Tuesday, West Baton Rouge Parish sheriff's deputies received a call to a Port Allen apartment complex after several shots rang out from inside one of the apartments. "You are out here trying to work and for someone to come and do that and invade your home is very hard," the children's mother said. She asked to not be identified.
Deputies say Dean Favron and Roderick Porter knocked several times on the apartment door. The two young children, a ten-year-old boy and eight-year-old girl, stood on the other side, terrified. "He told his sister to be quiet and seconds later, they started kicking on the door and finally kicked the door in," said Sheriff Mike Cazes. The two children ran to their mother's bedroom closet.
In a panic, the ten-year-old grabbed his mother's gun for protection. "He did what I told him to do. I never told him to get the gun, but thank God he did," she said. Once the two suspects opened the door, threatening the kids, deputies say the boy fired a bullet into the lip of Roderick Porter. The two men were taken to the hospital by a third suspect, who is a 15-year-old juvenile. Once they got to the hospital, they were later arrested. "It's just hard. I don't understand why they would do that. I know they have little brothers and sisters and they wouldn't want anyone to break into their house," said the mother.
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this is unconstitutional, and will lead to lawsuits, you can deny access to a private establishment in many cases, but you cannot pick a public street and start searching people :
Beale Street to ban guns, use metal detectors Posted: Jun 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT Updated: Jun 18, 2009 8:20 AM CDT
MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) - Big changes are coming to Beale Street, as the entertainment district rebels against the state of Tennessee's new 'guns in bars' bill.
The Beale Street Entertainment District fought legislation allowing guns in bars.
And now that the battle has been lost, they are making their own law - and planning to use metal detectors to make sure patrons aren't breaking it.
Officials said Wednesday that starting July 17th, no guns will be allowed on Beale Street. All clubs and businesses will post signs notifying patrons of the ban.
Police officers and private security guards will use handheld metal detectors to search patrons before allowing them inside the famous street's barricades.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: this is unconstitutional, and will lead to lawsuits, you can deny access to a private establishment in many cases, but you cannot pick a public street and start searching people :
Beale Street to ban guns, use metal detectors Posted: Jun 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT Updated: Jun 18, 2009 8:20 AM CDT
MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) - Big changes are coming to Beale Street, as the entertainment district rebels against the state of Tennessee's new 'guns in bars' bill.
The Beale Street Entertainment District fought legislation allowing guns in bars.
And now that the battle has been lost, they are making their own law - and planning to use metal detectors to make sure patrons aren't breaking it.
Officials said Wednesday that starting July 17th, no guns will be allowed on Beale Street. All clubs and businesses will post signs notifying patrons of the ban.
Police officers and private security guards will use handheld metal detectors to search patrons before allowing them inside the famous street's barricades.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Child shoots intruder during home break-in
Updated: July 17, 2009 01:51 PM
By David Spunt
PORT ALLEN, LA (WAFB) - A ten-year-old boy left home alone with his sister used his mother's gun to shoot an intruder in the face, police said.
Late Tuesday, West Baton Rouge Parish sheriff's deputies received a call to a Port Allen apartment complex after several shots rang out from inside one of the apartments. "You are out here trying to work and for someone to come and do that and invade your home is very hard," the children's mother said. She asked to not be identified.
Deputies say Dean Favron and Roderick Porter knocked several times on the apartment door. The two young children, a ten-year-old boy and eight-year-old girl, stood on the other side, terrified. "He told his sister to be quiet and seconds later, they started kicking on the door and finally kicked the door in," said Sheriff Mike Cazes. The two children ran to their mother's bedroom closet.
In a panic, the ten-year-old grabbed his mother's gun for protection. "He did what I told him to do. I never told him to get the gun, but thank God he did," she said. Once the two suspects opened the door, threatening the kids, deputies say the boy fired a bullet into the lip of Roderick Porter. The two men were taken to the hospital by a third suspect, who is a 15-year-old juvenile. Once they got to the hospital, they were later arrested. "It's just hard. I don't understand why they would do that. I know they have little brothers and sisters and they wouldn't want anyone to break into their house," said the mother.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: this is unconstitutional, and will lead to lawsuits, you can deny access to a private establishment in many cases, but you cannot pick a public street and start searching people :
Beale Street to ban guns, use metal detectors Posted: Jun 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT Updated: Jun 18, 2009 8:20 AM CDT
MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) - Big changes are coming to Beale Street, as the entertainment district rebels against the state of Tennessee's new 'guns in bars' bill.
The Beale Street Entertainment District fought legislation allowing guns in bars.
And now that the battle has been lost, they are making their own law - and planning to use metal detectors to make sure patrons aren't breaking it.
Officials said Wednesday that starting July 17th, no guns will be allowed on Beale Street. All clubs and businesses will post signs notifying patrons of the ban.
Police officers and private security guards will use handheld metal detectors to search patrons before allowing them inside the famous street's barricades.
They can and they did... they passed a law and it has to be enforced... so I see nothing wrong with it... aren't you about enforcing current laws? We'll they are only doing that and their job... People like Retired now do not have to worry about getting shot in that street since there will be none... him and others will have to leave their guns in their cars outside that street..
And obviously the Beale Street bars and such do not want guns in their establishments. As far as I am concerned it did not have to come to this. All that was required was to leave it to the bar owners' discretion to allow or not allow guns in their establishments.
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the searches are not being conducted at the bar entrances.
this will go to court and the Beale st group will lose. it is uncostitutional based on the second and fourth ammendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
since there is a state law allowing the behaviour? this is an illegal search. you cannot just search people on the street because you feel like it.
you are fascist, you should go live in China where the rights are more to your "liking",
just because you make a law doesn't make the law constitutional. these are illegal searches.
i have been illegally searched in Memphis before. You might recall i've mentioned it in the past.
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They can and they did... they passed a law and it has to be enforced..
actually? i cannot find a law allowing the searches either.
this is simply a group of people that do not understand the constitution:
Police officers and private security guards will use handheld metal detectors to search patrons before allowing them inside the famous street's barricades.
Merchants will have to cover the cost, but they say it's worth it to maintain Beale Street's reputation as one of the country's safest entertainment distric
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MEMPHIS, TN - If you plan on heading to Beale Street, get ready for tougher security. You will be met by security guards at all entrances, checking IDs with one hand, and using a metal detector with the other. The new security measure is in response to the “Guns In Bars” Bill that went into law July 14, 2009.
The Beale Street Merchants Association tells myEyewitnessNews.com it is doing everything to ensure the safety of thousands who come to the Entertainment District every weekend. Leonard Porter is in charge of security. He doesn’t expect any major setbacks from the new procedures. “We just want to make sure everyone is safe. There are kids on the streets, and there are tourists that bring their children here. They want to eat, they want to see it, they heard about it. We want to make sure nothing breaks out.”
The new rules come after state law made it legal to carry guns into bars and restaurants in Tennessee. But Beale Street bars are opting out of that law. Beale Street patron Vicki Love says the additional safety measures are for the better. “That’s a good step in the right direction. If you’re going to carry a gun not intending to have anything bad go on then you should be willing to be checked out.”
note the barricade is on the PUBLIC taxpayer owned street, not private property:
Under the new state law allowing guns in bars, permit holders will not be allowed to drink while carrying a weapon. If they are caught drinking while carrying, they could face up to a year in jail and a $2500 fine.
a private company is enforcing this policy...
should get interesting...
PSI Security will be manning all eleven entrances to Beale and everyone who wants to come in will get a quick up and down check for weapons with a metal wand.
"Hopefully everyone will be patients with us, we don't expect long lines but this is all new for all of us," says Beale Street Merchant's Association Executive Director, Onzie Horne.
Horne says they want to send a clear message that alcohol and guns don't mix.
for instance, an annual event here is Main Street Arts Festival. They close down several streets, sell booth space, have stages set up, allow alcohol sales, etc. In other words, "normal" laws are suspended temporarily and the usually public streets are treated as extensions of the surrounding merchants' private property.
Just thinking in print, but you catch my drift...
EDIT: says Beale Street Merchant's Association Executive Director...
ya, see? quasi quasi...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i don't think you understand.
the searches are not being conducted at the bar entrances.
this will go to court and the Beale st group will lose. it is uncostitutional based on the second and fourth ammendment
Perhaps you are right and perhaps not... doesn't matter... i still clap my hands for what they are doing... even if it's reversed... because it shows the bar owners do not want guns there...
quote:since there is a state law allowing the behaviour? this is an illegal search. you cannot just search people on the street because you feel like it.
ah so if there is a state law you can't have local laws? I wonder if there is a federal law if you can't have a state law? ..
quote:you are fascist, you should go live in China where the rights are more to your "liking",
Fascist? nope... a combo of capitalist/socialist... yup... not wanting deadly weapons on a street full of bars is not facism... it's common sense regardless of political views...
quote:just because you make a law doesn't make the law constitutional. these are illegal searches.
It's for the better good of public safety where a whole street is alcohol establishments, i don't see why not.
quote:i have been illegally searched in Memphis before. You might recall i've mentioned it in the past.
nope, don't recall.
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