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This is america and not hispanic nor mexican - want that culture go there - all are a part but none are it -

America absorbs all but we are USA and English is the language -
I am first generation and I learned english very well - all A's from 1st grade and then my MBA-

Dad came here legally and worked 60 -80 hrs and didnt take welfare and mom didnt pop out kids -

He worked and he died for it so his kids would have the american dream - all his kids went to college not at the expense of the state but his work -
He is european and melted into the pot vs trying to take it and leech from it-

I say all illegals should be kicked out and their kids ---- americans worked hard to create this country and I dont want leeches like the illegals to siphon the system- and ultimatley destroy it -

Ultimatley, no system can support leeches-and,
I am totally against supporting the illegals - But, if you come here legally and want to contribute to this land - and work - you are welcome -

This land wa made by folks that had values of hard work, etc..

And, Machiavelli- you are a racist - it is so apparent you dont like this country yet you are here - why not go to mexico or wherever and work to make that nation great? Instead, you use your energy to attack USA - go to mexico and help folks there to build a nation vs coming here to steal--

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as i have tried to point out to you before?

illegals get in line in front of legit migrants. that's one part of the problem.

the other part is too many immigrants at one time. that is in fact primarily a Mexican issue.

why should Mexicans get to get in by cheating and then get prioritised to the "front of the line" simply due to a geographical twist of fate that allows them to walk in?

if you try to cross Mexico to get here and they catch you? i understand they are very harsh.

America has some of the fairest immigration laws and principles in the world.

if somebody cuts in line in front of me at the checkout? i speak up, unless they are a little old lady [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
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Originally posted by rounder1:
There are only 3 races:

Mongaloid
Negroid
Cauccasion

I say pick one.....I don't even give a **** which one you choose. If you're legal.....welcome to America!

If you're not.....go home.

I am neither of those choices and me/IWISH are not talking about illegals so STFU...
You are a funny guy.....but unfortunately you are one of those three....just like everyone else on the planet (scientifically speaking).....or perhaps you are a race unto yourself......you seem to have the ego to support that concept.


My bad.....I was supposed to stfu; wasn't I?

I have one for you....... kma; and, put forth an argument that renders me speechless.

My intent was to show that scientifically "hispanic" is a cultural term.....there is not enough genetic difference to keep "hispanics" from being lumped into a one of the three generic categories. Further, with regard to my comment about illegals.......it was not really about illegals in America......It was about "who give a S$^t about race or culture if you follow the rules of a given society".....

Furthermore, my post was not directed at you or "Iwish."......it was simply a general observation.

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
This is america and not hispanic nor mexican - want that culture go there - all are a part but none are it -

America absorbs all but we are USA and English is the language -
I am first generation and I learned english very well - all A's from 1st grade and then my MBA-

Dad came here legally and worked 60 -80 hrs and didnt take welfare and mom didnt pop out kids -

He worked and he died for it so his kids would have the american dream - all his kids went to college not at the expense of the state but his work -
He is european and melted into the pot vs trying to take it and leech from it-

I say all illegals should be kicked out and their kids ---- americans worked hard to create this country and I dont want leeches like the illegals to siphon the system- and ultimatley destroy it -

Ultimatley, no system can support leeches-and,
I am totally against supporting the illegals - But, if you come here legally and want to contribute to this land - and work - you are welcome -

This land wa made by folks that had values of hard work, etc..

Cry me a River [Were Down] WTF does this all have to do with Walmart opening supermarkets targeting the HISPANIC community or if Hispanics are classified as whites or not? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...

This thread was not about illegal immigration so if your english is fluent then you just got a F in reading and should go back to school...

btw it's well known that new immigrants , especially adults, who do not know english never fully learn it fluently (and not for a lack of trying)but their children and their childrens' children do. That is how it has always been with immigrants because adults can't learn languages as easily as children can. Do not know why but it is.

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And, Machiavelli- you are a racist - it is so apparent you dont like this country yet you are here - why not go to mexico or wherever and work to make that nation great? Instead, you use your energy to attack USA - go to mexico and help folks there to build a nation vs coming here to steal--
Oh, excuse me I didn't know you were Mach and can say your a racist. Racist means i hate a race of which the USA and/or Americans in general are not a race.

But I will humor you. I never said nor do I hate America or Americans. I am COSTA RICAN-American and proud of it. And I hate to burst your bubble but my attacks on the USA are the same as yours or anyone elses'. We pick issues we do not like about America and we argue them. Racism and Immigration happen to be issues i care deeply about of which you could never understand why being from European descent. Have you experienced true racism directed at you or your family since the day you were born? I doubt it. And you are blind if you do not see it in this country how minorities are treated. And that includes all minorities and not just the hispanic community. So you live in your little fantasy world about the "American Dream". The dream for any human being is to work hard and get ahead and that my friend is not exclusive to any particular country. It's a World Dream not an American Dream.

And like i said i'm an equally opportunity hater based on personalities and not race. go back and read that part to earn an A. [Razz]

Also it's quite sad that you and your father/family do not remember/honor where you came from. Your homeland. Everyone should after all most if not all families did not originate here. Not saying don't be proud to be an American but also do not forget where your family first came from.

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Racism and Immigration happen to be issues i care deeply about of which you could never understand why being from European descent.

there it is Mach.

fact is? nobody knows how it feels to be somebody else.

black, white, yella, red, man woman it don't matter.

however you are the one making the racist statements in this case.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
as i have tried to point out to you before?

illegals get in line in front of legit migrants. that's one part of the problem.

the other part is too many immigrants at one time. that is in fact primarily a Mexican issue.

why should Mexicans get to get in by cheating and then get prioritised to the "front of the line" simply due to a geographical twist of fate that allows them to walk in?

if you try to cross Mexico to get here and they catch you? i understand they are very harsh.

America has some of the fairest immigration laws and principles in the world.

if somebody cuts in line in front of me at the checkout? i speak up, unless they are a little old lady [Wink]

Dont' encourage them Glass. You know full well we weren't discussing illegal immigration in this thread about the Walmart and/or race classification topics.

Plus too many immigrants is not a mexican issue and I have heard you say in threads that America needs to be more fair with immigration entrance rules. America has always been unfair throughout it's history towards immigrants based on what immigrant is unpopular at the time. In the late 19th century it was the irish/italians/poles/jews etc. Later it was the Chinese and in the late 20th century and early 21st century it is the hispanics. I could cite some of the laws from the past targeting certain immigrant groups if you wish? But I did not want this thread discussion to be about immigration whether legal or illegal.

You and the rest played right into Mooman's hands. Touche. Was trying to get him to admit it but he was smart and kept quiet and let you do it for him and showed your own prejudices.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Racism and Immigration happen to be issues i care deeply about of which you could never understand why being from European descent.

there it is Mach.

fact is? nobody knows how it feels to be somebody else.

black, white, yella, red, man woman it don't matter.

Whites don't know how it feels Glass and then they question why people like me feel passionate about it and then accuse someone like me of being the racist. You know that is true.

The only time I think whites do is with affirmative action which I wouldn't call racist but more like leveling the field. Btw I don't agree with AA unless it's quite evident that an institution is prohibiting a minority on purpose.

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actually it was brought up right away in the very first page Mach.

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
California isnt a liberal state financially? So spending 25% of Los Angeles County's welfare on illegal aliens is conservative then?


According to new data from the Department of Public Social Services, nearly twenty five percent of Los Angeles County ’s welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens, at a cost of $36 million a month -- for a projected annual cost of $432 million.

“The total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year – not including the millions of dollars for education,” said Antonovich. “With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $432 million in welfare allocations, illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers.”
Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on all of California.


Californias open door and sancuary city policies spread throughout the state is hurting them so bad.

has it ever occurred to you that small businesses run by Hispanics will be the ones Wal Mart put out of business next with this new plan?

they've put most of the "white" small businesses out here in the small towns in the south where they started.

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Mach,

your stubborness and illogical dissertations have revealed your true idententity.......you are my ex-wife.....btw, the check is in the mail, sweetheart! (just kidding).

Seriously though,.....how are the Chinese at making "Hispanic" merchandise? I did not think that Wally World bought anything from a country in "our" hemispere......just read it and chuckle.....it is not worth comment.

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quote:
Originally posted by rounder1:
You are a funny guy.....but unfortunately you are one of those three....just like everyone else on the planet (scientifically speaking).....or perhaps you are a race unto yourself......you seem to have the ego to support that concept.

IMO race is something that is personal and cannot be "scientifically" proven. Put a hispanic in a group of "whites" or in a group of "blacks" or a group of "asians". I would bet you could pick out that hispanic every single time because they are "genetically" different then the rest in each group. We genetically have certain physical features that differeniates us from others much like you can tell an asian from a white.


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My bad.....I was supposed to stfu; wasn't I?
Yes you are suppose to so why haven't you?

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I have one for you....... kma; and, put forth an argument that renders me speechless.
Sorry it's too hairy, shave it first so someone maybe even considers kissing it.

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My intent was to show that scientifically "hispanic" is a cultural term.....
Any racial or ethnic term can be construed as cultural. These terms just didn't come out of nowhere and didn't come from scientists.
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there is not enough genetic difference to keep "hispanics" from being lumped into a one of the three generic categories.
Read my above example about hispanics lumped into certain groups and whether you can pick them out based on physical characteristics.
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Further, with regard to my comment about illegals.......it was not really about illegals in America......It was about "who give a S$^t about race or culture if you follow the rules of a given society".....

Furthermore, my post was not directed at you or "Iwish."......it was simply a general observation.

Could of fooled me. Next time be more specific. And obviously people like Mooman, thinkmoney etc. care about culture and are ignorant about race or are racist/prejudice without knowing it.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
actually it was brought up right away in the very first page Mach.

That has to do with the 2nd half of Mooman's thread title and has nothing to do with "mexican" walmarts. The first half of the title is what I was targeting about him.

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has it ever occurred to you that small businesses run by Hispanics will be the ones Wal Mart put out of business next with this new plan?

they've put most of the "white" small businesses out here in the small towns in the south where they started.

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Wow Glassy, guess you didn't read the thread because i said the same thing several times that even IWISH can acknowledge that I did.

I said already that I do not want Walmart opening in this communities because it will destroy small hispanic run businesses. That again is not the issue but I did say it. The issue still is why Mooman does not want hispanic supermarkets opened by Walmart? We both know he doesn't care about them destroying local small businesses. So what did he mean by making us "aware" that Walmart is opening them?

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quote:
Originally posted by rounder1:
Mach,

your stubborness and illogical dissertations have revealed your true idententity.......you are my ex-wife.....btw, the check is in the mail, sweetheart! (just kidding).

Seriously though,.....how are the Chinese at making "Hispanic" merchandise? I did not think that Wally World bought anything from a country in "our" hemispere......just read it and chuckle.....it is not worth comment.

Eh? Make sense then get back to me and make sure that check is Big.

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
This is america and not hispanic nor mexican - want that culture go there - all are a part but none are it -

America absorbs all but we are USA and English is the language -
I am first generation and I learned english very well - all A's from 1st grade and then my MBA-

Dad came here legally and worked 60 -80 hrs and didnt take welfare and mom didnt pop out kids -

He worked and he died for it so his kids would have the american dream - all his kids went to college not at the expense of the state but his work -
He is european and melted into the pot vs trying to take it and leech from it-

I say all illegals should be kicked out and their kids ---- americans worked hard to create this country and I dont want leeches like the illegals to siphon the system- and ultimatley destroy it -

Ultimatley, no system can support leeches-and,
I am totally against supporting the illegals - But, if you come here legally and want to contribute to this land - and work - you are welcome -

This land wa made by folks that had values of hard work, etc..

And, Machiavelli- you are a racist - it is so apparent you dont like this country yet you are here - why not go to mexico or wherever and work to make that nation great? Instead, you use your energy to attack USA - go to mexico and help folks there to build a nation vs coming here to steal--

Think?

Ya, this land was made by hard work... and in most cases--historically speaking-the hardest work was done wa-a-a-a-y before the Europeans landed.

But the immigration laws go alllllll the way back to the natives, who also had very lax border patrol.

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Think?

Ya, this land was made by hard work... and in most cases--historically speaking-the hardest work was done wa-a-a-a-y before the Europeans landed.

But the immigration laws go alllllll the way back to the natives, who also had very lax border patrol.

Ty Tex. He seems to think history in this country only started 1776 and after and forgets this land has had a history before then. Guess he wasn't taught that in school. [Big Grin]

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Quote Rounder:

Mach,

"your stubborness and illogical dissertations have revealed your true idententity.......you are my ex-wife.....btw, the check is in the mail, sweetheart! (just kidding).

Seriously though,.....how are the Chinese at making "Hispanic" merchandise? I did not think that Wally World bought anything from a country in "our" hemispere......just read it and chuckle.....it is not worth comment."

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You had me laughing on that one.

Walmart pay's their employee's health insurance and pay's big wages, which really helps our economy... or do they

But they are great for crushing smaller mom and pop businesses.

Then there is their counterpart Target.


"FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ADVOCATE SHOPPING AT TARGET INSTEAD OF WAL-MART, READ ON:

Wasn’t it last Christmas that Target refused to let the Salvation Army ring their bells in front of their stores?

Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association wrote.

“Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during our spring recognition event.

We received the following reply from the local TARGET management: “ Veterans do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education.”

So I’m thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and veterans in general, do not meet their donation criteria,then something is really wrong at this TARGET store. We were not asking for thousands of dollars, not even hundreds, just a small sponsorship for a memorial remembrance.

As a follow-up, I E-mailed the TARGET U.S. Corporate Headquarters and their response was the same. That’s their national policy.

Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow the Marines to collect for ‘Toys for Tots’ at any of their stores. And during the recent Iraq deployment, they would not allow families of employees who were called up for active duty to continue their insurance coverage while they were on military service.

Then as I dig further, TARGET is a French-owned corporation. Now, I’m thinking again. If TARGET cannot support American Veterans, then why should my family and I support their stores by spending our hard earned American dollars! And, have their profits sent to France. Without the American Vets, where would France be today? “They, most likely would be speaking German and trading in Deutsche Marks”

Sincerely,
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"She," fwiw...

anyway, this statement here killz me:

I say all illegals should be kicked out and their kids...

By that reasoning, no Euros, no Afros, no original Asians; no by-the-way Aussies; and by extension? no jazz, no blues, no rock n' roll...

in other words--no America.

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
"She," fwiw...

anyway, this statement here killz me:

I say all illegals should be kicked out and their kids...

By that reasoning, no Euros, no Afros, no original Asians; no by-the-way Aussies; and by extension? no jazz, no blues, no rock n' roll...

in other words--no America.

Tex...

I believe she said all "illegals", NOT all immigrants....BIG difference

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Mach - you are a racist and WAKE UP - you constantly cry about white america and label and attack it -

Apparently, you have a brick up your ass - Not once have I heard you be positive towards usa esp white america - there is jealousy in your blood abd hatred and you blame it on USA -

What an excuse- crying that I dont know what it is like to be a minority - I do know I learned not to cry due to my nationality when my parents came here - And, I learned to get ahead was thru work, etc...

And, there are prejudices beyond race everywhere something you know nothing about cause you constantly cry - i am tired of folks cring and blamimg others' for thier problems -

And, I do know prejudice - folks look at me and blame me for their problems and expect me to work for them instead of working themselves -
etc, etc ...

Constantly am reminded that slavery is my fault when I had nothing to do with it as is for many americans - etc, etc...

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mach is far from racist....from what I gather, he does not hate anyone..he does not whine and cry about white america (altho he prolly has some great experiances)...he does not bleed the system and works hard to support the US...so what the hell are you talking about TM?..I see, by the time that you posted, you must have had a few snorts off the ol bottle..but you are way out of line. That old line.."America, love it or leave it" is tired and without merit...it should read.."America, if you love it, change it"..

I know you're prolly sleepin it off now and missed church..but when you wake up I hope you have the decency to apoligize.

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Huh? I cant post at 4:30 ,...

Yes, IMO Mach is a racist cause he is totally negative towards white america as exemplified by most his posts -

Why would I apologize for my opinion? I say it as I see it -

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cuz your opinion is wrong,,thats why.

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Jordan...it is my opinion that your opinion of thinkmoney's opinion is wrong...

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it is my opinion that retiredat49's opinion that your opinion of thinkmoney's opinion is right too...

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Mach has some rather far reaching views, and in the case of immigration if you dont favor blanket amnesty or over-generous opinions about illegal immigration then you in his opinion are a racist.


Something is funny with all of that.

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
Huh? I cant post at 4:30 ,...

Yes, IMO Mach is a racist cause he is totally negative towards white america as exemplified by most his posts -

Why would I apologize for my opinion? I say it as I see it -

Unfortunately this opinion is looking right.

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
Mach - you are a racist and WAKE UP - you constantly cry about white america and label and attack it -

Apparently, you have a brick up your ass - Not once have I heard you be positive towards usa esp white america - there is jealousy in your blood abd hatred and you blame it on USA -

What an excuse- crying that I dont know what it is like to be a minority - I do know I learned not to cry due to my nationality when my parents came here - And, I learned to get ahead was thru work, etc...

And, there are prejudices beyond race everywhere something you know nothing about cause you constantly cry - i am tired of folks cring and blamimg others' for thier problems -

And, I do know prejudice - folks look at me and blame me for their problems and expect me to work for them instead of working themselves -
etc, etc ...

Constantly am reminded that slavery is my fault when I had nothing to do with it as is for many americans - etc, etc...

I attack what I believe is wrong in America imo just like you do. If that makes me a racist then I guess you are as well. Btw Americans aren't a race so I can't be racist and also I have already told you that I'm an equal opportunity hater based on personality not race. You seem to convenietly to forget that.

And since you mentioned it, I take it your ancestors were not living in American in the 1800's so therefor they didn't have anything to do with slavery which in turn means: STOP CRYING. [Razz]

P.S. I don't believe in blaming any current Americans for the sins of past Americans. Only what you do today should be looked upon. But you didn't read that since I must hate all Americans even myself. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
mach is far from racist....from what I gather, he does not hate anyone..he does not whine and cry about white america (altho he prolly has some great experiances)...he does not bleed the system and works hard to support the US...so what the hell are you talking about TM?..I see, by the time that you posted, you must have had a few snorts off the ol bottle..but you are way out of line. That old line.."America, love it or leave it" is tired and without merit...it should read.."America, if you love it, change it"..

I know you're prolly sleepin it off now and missed church..but when you wake up I hope you have the decency to apoligize.

I am Mach and I support/endorse this opinion.

Paid for by the Friends Of Mach Organization. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Mach has some rather far reaching views, and in the case of immigration if you dont favor blanket amnesty or over-generous opinions about illegal immigration then you in his opinion are a racist.


Something is funny with all of that.

Oh I don't recall ever saying that i favor or don't favor blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants. I have said that i empathize and sympathize with the illegal immigrants though.

You racist or prejudice? Perhaps since you don't seem to include any illegal immigrants in your discussion that are non-hispanic judging by your threads you create such as this one. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
it is my opinion that retiredat49's opinion that your opinion of thinkmoney's opinion is right too...

Do you believe I am racist Glass? If you can classify Americans as a race like ThinkMoney does which would mean i hate myself since I'm an American. [Roll Eyes]

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