Hispanics buy more food than anybody else? that's hilarious. you live in NYC and you think you know America? i'm sorry Mach but i know you cannot prove that statement.
I suggest you go reread what Cow originally posted from the article he quoted or better yet I will for you:
"A study of Hispanic buying power by Oklahoma State University found that Hispanics spend a larger portion of their household incomes on food -- $128.50 per week compared with $91 for non-Hispanics"
And being hispanic I would say i would know more then you about the culture as well as American culture since I am in essence from both worlds and do not pretend to know the culture because my friends are hispanic or because i research stuff on the internet and post it here.
quote:guns do not fuel violence.
violent people get guns and commit crimes with them. that's what fuels violence, violent people.
No guns don't fuel it. My bad. Profits from drug trafficking fuel it. The need to keep in business and power.
But:
Money + Guns = Power and the ability to stay in business.
quote:the fact that Mexico cannot deal with it's violence problems shows how poorly they manage their own country and blaming it on Americans is excuse making.
Now that's a stupid statement no offense. That is like saying the U.S. cannot deal with it's drug problem and blaming Colombia, Mexico, Afghanistan etc. is excuse making. It is all our problems. All countries not one or the other.
quote:Mexico is #8 in murder rates at .13 per 1000 people and the US is #24 at .04 per 1000 people. the US has less than 1/4 the murder rate of Mexico yet we have LEGAL guns here. somehwere between 1/4 and 1/2 of all Americans own guns yet we have a lower murder rate.
if that doesn't prove to you that guns make individuals safer? nothing ever will...
The Cartels are a little above your average petty criminal who breaks into your home. It's gotten out of control in Mexico and legal gun ownership by Mexicans citizens will not lower their murder rate by cartels.
And this is not about gun control to their citizens but about ILLEGAL guns crossing into their border. Their citizens cannot LEGALLY buy guns on the U.S. side correct me if I am wrong? So therefor someone is buying them to supply the Cartels and that someone are straw buyers hired by cartels or gun trafficking organizations who buy them here for distribution in Mexico.
I find it funny how you always advocate that our gun laws are adequate and only need to be enforced. I have just said the same in relation ONLY to this situation and I am ONLY saying that we should be cracking down more on ILLEGAL gun trafficking into Mexico on our side of the border and I'm NOT even talking about gun control. Enforcing our current laws has always been your thing, has it not Glass? So why aren't you advocating it now.
quote:The Mexican Army is the biggest gun supplier and owner in Mexico. Nobody has yet proven that guns are entering Mexico illegally in large numbers. The fact is that the Mexican Army supplies most of the guns in Mexico, even the ones owned by the "criminals".
Care to prove any of this or is it just your theory?. 90% of the guns confiscated in Mexico by the authorities from the Cartels are American Made and most have been traced back to shops here and proven to be bought by straw buyers or illegal sold by the shops themselves. No proof of Mexican Army involvement exists and if there is any it is very minimal.
quote:give it up on the Guns. people come here to live besause we are FREE! we are FREE! because we own and maintain firearms not in spite of them. they come here to be FREE. it's got damn little to do with money either. money and it's availablity to the average people is just a representation of freedom. In Mexico the wealthy refuse to even allow a middle class, and heaven forbid that an average person would be able to defend themselves against the murderous gangs down there.
And what does this have to do with the price of milk? The topic of the thread was/is Wal-Mart opening hispanic themed supermarkets in HISPANIC neighborhoods/communities. Has nothing to do with illegal immigration,drug trafficking, prostitution, murder etc.
Cow seems to think Wal Mart shouldn't open them to cater to a big market that will be the biggest minority group in the near future if they aren't already. I agree with not letting Wal Mart doing so but only because it will destroy local small businesses that already do sell hispanic ethnic food to those communities and not because it's connected to any organised crime or because I think we should destroy their culture with a misconceived notion that their culture is not American therefor we should shove down their throats what they should eat and is "AMERICAN".
quote:Organized crime is NOT a ethnic problem.
maybe not, but anybody who has done business in Mexico knows damn well the whole country is one big organised crime.
Every country is in that regards. Every country has some level of corruption and business can be dirty in any of them including ours. I hope you don't think our country is so "clean" as well? lol
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: If you actually read the article instead of spouting off ignorantly as usual, you'd see the report came from the GAO. And I wasn't talking about full auto weapons, another error on your part to state that.
PS: I won't be getting the "F" outta here...well....at at least not until you go "F" yourself first. Lemme know when that happens Mooboy.
Pag, yah sometimes I think he ate too much grass and all that spews out is nothing but cow pies...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i am searching for a list of th eguns traced by make and model now.. i bet when i find them they are almost all cheapo pistols and specialty high power sniper rifles. not full auto assault weapons.
why would they pay US prices for full auto when they can get 'em much cheaper in eastern europe and Russia?
the price is ten times her what it is over htere.
Logic for $100 Alex... lol
Who cares if they are auto or not? That isn't the issue at all... it's all types of guns in general going south ILLEGALLY...
As for why pay U.S. prices rather then Eastern European/Russian? Some things come to mind like preference to what models they like best, they can afford anything, easier to smuggle when the supply country is right next to you rather then across the ocean (especially from expert smugglers), quality etc. You get what you pay for. Buy cheap guns you get unreliable product, true or not? I wouldn't want a gun jamming on me etc. when someone else is pointing a gun at me or shooting at me.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Mexico has a severe kidnapping problem and truck hijacking problem too. is that our fault?
Our fault is not enforcing our laws more strongly on our side of the border to stop illegal arms trafficking. Even one of your posts says that the ATF and Dept. Of Homeland Security do not coordinate with each other to tackle the increasing arms trafficking problem.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: As noted, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has experienced numerous successes, referring for prosecution 795 cases since October 1st, 2003, involving 1,685 defendants, including 1,035 defendants who trafficked an estimated 12,835 guns.
an average of a dozen guns per smuggler? those are hardly big time criminals...
What you fail to mention is that those #'s are just the ones who were caught. Much like drugs, thousands of kilos are confiscated on our side of the border and such but we know that a whole LOT more gets through successfully.... so then we never have accurate #'s without catching all or almost all that tries to get through... same with illegal arms going across the border...
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it still supports my point that we in America have the best tracking system and the fairest gun laws in the world. There are always criminals to be caught and prosecuted.
the Mexicans are submitting, and we are tracing. the %age of guns being smuggled is not very high, hence my assertion that it is not Americas fault that Mexicans have a severe violence problem.
yes we have a high desire for drugs, we can afford them. In my travels thru other parts of the world i was offered drugs everywhere i went.
The major exception to that was Korea, i was never offered drugs there, but lots of booze was drunk. In Japan? The drug laws are much stiffer there and i was still offered them. Hard drugs too, the Japanese were into high grade meth long before it became big in the US.
I don't think drugs should be dealt with in the way they are. I don't know how we could decriminalize the harder drugs, but pot should not be illegal. I don't smoke it, mostly cuz i have too much to lose over (even) a minor legal incident. Spending as much time with university people as i have in my life? i have seen much more "upper class" drug (ab)use of all kinds than i have seen "street" drug (ab)use... Drug (ab)use affects all levels of our socitey. Of course i have seen more people do more stupid stuff on alcohol than anything else.
I do not blame Mexicans for wanting to make money, take advantage of the drug business or even for wanitn gto own guns that are illegal there. What i fault is blaming other people for their problems. They are in denial abou their own attitudes toward the value of human life. I have been in much worse places than Mexico tho. And i seriously fault Hillary and Obama for going along with them on these LIES.
I still say that Mexican people hurt their own country by leaving to come here instead of staying there to make things better. Mexican people in America have come here to "live a better life". That better life is available to them in their own country if they just MAKE it so. That's how it happened here. Gun ownership has been and will continue to be an integral part of the freedoms that allows Americans to flourish. America is not over, this past 8 years did not destroy US, and we will come back
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Mexico has a severe kidnapping problem and truck hijacking problem too. is that our fault?
Our fault is not enforcing our laws more strongly on our side of the border to stop illegal arms trafficking. Even one of your posts says that the ATF and Dept. Of Homeland Security do not coordinate with each other to tackle the increasing arms trafficking problem.
and Mexico? what do they do at the border? i've been waved thru over a hundred times. i've seen dozens of cars pulled over on the way back every time i came back thru at any large crossing tho.
face it, Mexico has a set of problems that are their own. It's not our fault that their govt is the way it is.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Gun ownership has been and will continue to be an integral part of the freedoms that allows Americans to flourish.
I still think you do not get it... it's not about putting blame on anyone nor it's not about taking gun ownership away in the U.S. nor in Mexico from legal owners.. it's not about gun control period. It's about not contributing to the problem by ignoring that our own laws of illegal arms trafficking are not being strongly enforced and were letting illegal guns cross the border adding more to the violence down there. When we do nothing about it or very little about it then we are just to blame as anyone else in this problem. Our laws about gun buying/arms trafficking are being broken and you Glass as a U.S. citizen should be outraged and be advocating that more should be done, not in new laws but enforcing current laws.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: and Mexico? what do they do at the border? i've been waved thru over a hundred times. i've seen dozens of cars pulled over on the way back every time i came back thru at any large crossing tho.
face it, Mexico has a set of problems that are their own. It's not our fault that their govt is the way it is.
Most guns are not imo smuggled through "official" border crossings. You forget these are Cartels that are expert smugglers and they do not just smuggle through official crossings.
I read a interesting book awhile back that I think you should read. It's:
Drug Lord: The Life & Death of a Mexican Kingpin by Terrence Poppa
It's about the life of Pablo Acosta and such and how things work down there in his days which i believe were the 80's. Anyways thats not the point, point is the book describes their smuggling methods through unofficial border crossings for both guns and drugs. Read it, if for anything the book will entertain you if you like true crime genre instead of reading it for research.
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But anyways I still haven't seen you or others really talk about the original title of this thread. Which is why shouldn't Wal mart open Hispanic themed supermarkets in Hispanic communities in the Southwest? It's a large market that is mainly untapped by big corporations.
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So therefor someone is buying them to supply the Cartels and that someone are straw buyers hired by cartels or gun trafficking organizations who buy them here for distribution in Mexico.
how many? the numbers, as i said, are not provable, and are being manipulated to sound much worse than they are
Care to prove any of this or is it just your theory?. 90% of the guns confiscated in Mexico by the authorities from the Cartels are American Made and most have been traced back to shops here and proven to be bought by straw buyers or illegal sold by the shops themselves. No proof of Mexican Army involvement exists and if there is any it is very minimal.
i did prove it.
less than 5000 US bought guns per year have been found to be in mexico.
i posted the figures in this thread.
furthermore? that 90% is a lie.
the truth is that less than 1/3 of the guns confiscated in Mexico are even submitted for tracing, and of those? 90% have been found to be from here. did it eve occur to anyone that they sub,mit the American made guns to US because they are American made with Made in USA stamped right on them? and they have serial numbers? Did you know that many foregin maufactures purposely do NOT even put serial numbers on them??
there were at least 30,000 guns confiscated in Mexico in 2008. some reports are as high 60,000
Mexico has increased the number of firearms it has submitted for tracing from 3,312 in FY 2007, to 7,743 in FY 2008, and over 7,500 to date this fiscal year.
as for the Mexican Army? until just the last couple of years they were in almost total control of the smuggling in Mexico. the new Presidente has been trying to change SOMETHING and that's why there is a war. I personally am very skeptical that his motives are "pure"; i bet that the recent surge in violence has more to do with new Presidente trying to change who the players are more than anything else.
the Chinese supply Mexico with the AK's we know that. those are the real full auto assault guns that are getting into Mexico.
as for "professional smugglers" they are going to do their trade no matter how much you punish the "little guys" for their behaviour.
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quote:Originally posted by Machiavelli: But anyways I still haven't seen you or others really talk about the original title of this thread. Which is why shouldn't Wal mart open Hispanic themed supermarkets in Hispanic communities in the Southwest? It's a large market that is mainly untapped by big corporations.
if they make money? the y make money.. if they don't? they don't.
i like a good Chili Relleno....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: how many? the numbers, as i said, are not provable, and are being manipulated to sound much worse than they are
I don't think they are manipulated at all. Maybe not totally accurate but definetly not far off.
quote:i did prove it.
less than 5000 US bought guns per year have been found to be in mexico.
i posted the figures in this thread.
furthermore? that 90% is a lie.
I don't think the 90% or 9 out of 10 guns confiscated are U.S. made is a lie. You are a gun expert and you do not need a serial number to see what is U.S. made and what is not when the guns are televised after a raid.
As for the less then 5000 figure you just gave. That is totally not accurate. If hypothetically 20,000 guns are bought and smuggled in Mexico but only 5000 are confiscated in raids does that mean only 5000 were bought and nothing else? Of course not. We cannot know the true #'s because we do not know how many crossed the border. How many guns are sold along the southwest in "legal" transcations? Thousands upon thousands? How do we know how many are legitimate buys and how many are straw buys? We don't. Not until they are caught and confiscated in Mexico or here do we have any indication what #'s were talking about and 5,000 is laugable.
It's like saying that 100,000 Kilos of Coke are smuggled into the U.S. but only about 5 or 10,000 are confiscated so there musn't anymore then 5/10k or not much more. We can't know the real #'s of kilos ever. Much like job loss reports monthly. We know those numbers are not accurate and that the true #'s are probably higher.
quote:the truth is that less than 1/3 of the guns confiscated in Mexico are even submitted for tracing, and of those? 90% have been found to be from here. did it eve occur to anyone that they sub,mit the American made guns to US because they are American made with Made in USA stamped right on them? and they have serial numbers? Did you know that many foregin maufactures purposely do NOT even put serial numbers on them??
Unless foreign countries are making fake American made guns I would have to say the guns confiscated are the real deal. If not then we would of been aware of fake American guns being made in China, Russia, Eastern Europe etc. wouldn't you say?
quote:as for the Mexican Army? until just the last couple of years they were in almost total control of the smuggling in Mexico. the new Presidente has been trying to change SOMETHING and that's why there is a war. I personally am very skeptical that his motives are "pure"; i bet that the recent surge in violence has more to do with new Presidente trying to change who the players are more than anything else.
The Mexican Army aren't really in the business of smuggling nor directing it. They are in the business of taking bribes to look the other way. Are there individuals in the Army who are actively involved in smuggling? Most likely but that does not mean the Army as a whole are. It's like saying because 3 or 4 NYPD cops are involved in corruption and drug dealing then the whole Dept is considered involved. That just aint so. But anyways read the book I recommended. It explains the Army's role in drug trafficking more accurately.
quote:the Chinese supply Mexico with the AK's we know that. those are the real full auto assault guns that are getting into Mexico.
I never said foreign guns do not go into Mexico. Only that American made ones are more preferred and are the majority.
quote:as for "professional smugglers" they are going to do their trade no matter how much you punish the "little guys" for their behaviour.
Yes, and drunk drivers are going to drive drunk no matter what. Does that mean we shouldn't enforce drunk driving laws because they will do it anyway and it seems hopeless?
Plus the little guys should severly punished so it discourages other little guys from doing it as well. That is a solution to a problem. Not perfect but might reduce things do to consequences.
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quote:Originally posted by Machiavelli: But anyways I still haven't seen you or others really talk about the original title of this thread. Which is why shouldn't Wal mart open Hispanic themed supermarkets in Hispanic communities in the Southwest? It's a large market that is mainly untapped by big corporations.
if they make money? the y make money.. if they don't? they don't.
i like a good Chili Relleno....
Then you agree there is nothing wrong with Wal Mart entering the local hispanic market. Because Cowman seems to think it is wrong because it's only hispanic products and that Wal Mart shouldn't cater to any ethnic group and should sell what he considers to be "American" food to them even though that is not their diet/culture.
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"A study of Hispanic buying power by Oklahoma State University found that Hispanics spend a larger portion of their household incomes on food -- $128.50 per week compared with $91 for non-Hispanics"
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And being hispanic I would say i would know more then you about the culture as well as American culture since I am in essence from both worlds and do not pretend to know the culture because my friends are hispanic or because i research stuff on the internet and post it here.
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What does that have to do with anything.
Because i am a mixture of cultures does that make me an expert on all of them... i hope not
You seem to use that theory anytime you get your back to the wall.
There are lots of different parts to culture and they vary from area to area, state to state and country to country.
It does not matter what culture.
That top statement is deceiving(larger portion)
My guess is:
1. They eat at home more.
2. They incomes are less overall, so they spend a higher portion of their income on food.
3.Does not mean they spend more on food than non hispanics. (Per Person)
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"But anyways I still haven't seen you or others really talk about the original title of this thread. Which is why shouldn't Wal mart open Hispanic themed supermarkets in Hispanic communities in the Southwest? It's a large market that is mainly untapped by big corporations." _________________________________________________
To most there isn't a lot to talk about under this thread.
If a big corportion wants to take a stab at this and it works so be it, if not so be it.
I stay away from Walmart because i do not like their policies and what they appear to represent.
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I don't think the 90% or 9 out of 10 guns confiscated are U.S. made is a lie. You are a gun expert and you do not need a serial number to see what is U.S. made and what is not when the guns are televised after a raid.
you're correct i am something of a gun expert compared to most people. i am not a gun expert compared to Navy Seals or Marine recon tho, and i can tell you that it is illegal to manufacture a gun in the US or import one without a serial number since 1968, it is also illegal to remove or deface a serial number as a result of that law. however, there are guns made all over th eworld still that do not have them.
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I never said foreign guns do not go into Mexico. Only that American made ones are more preferred and are the majority.
you cannot prove that.
Does that mean we shouldn't enforce drunk driving laws because they will do it anyway and it seems hopeless?
yawn, here we go again. nobody is saying don't enforce the laws. in a free society people are going to break laws and get away with it often.
there is a group of people that are trying to create more laws tho. and you are , by your own admission, one of them.
the fact that we can trace 90% of the guns that Mexico sends US because they beleive them to be form the US is proof that we have a pretty decent system, that needs better enforcement, and the Mexicans need to do more enforcement on their side of the border too (aheckofalot more then we do).
furthermore, you, in so many words, blame the US for Mexico's problems which is sandeces
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Nor can you disprove it. Why is it so difficult to believe that American guns are preferred? They are high quality are they not?
quote:yawn, here we go again. nobody is saying don't enforce the laws. in a free society people are going to break laws and get away with it often.
And no one is advocating enforcing them strongly neither including you.
quote:there is a group of people that are trying to create more laws tho. and you are , by your own admission, one of them.
Yes i am one of them but I haven't said any such thing pertaining to the case of Mexico have i?
quote:the fact that we can trace 90% of the guns that Mexico sends US because they beleive them to be form the US is proof that we have a pretty decent system, that needs better enforcement, and the Mexicans need to do more enforcement on their side of the border too (aheckofalot more then we do).
Did i say we can't trace guns? Nope. I also never said that Mexico doesn't need to do more enforcement on their side neither. That goes without saying but that doesn't excuse the lack of enforcement here before it crosses the border.
quote:furthermore, you, in so many words, blame the US for Mexico's problems which is sandeces
I don't blame Mexico's problems on the U.S. but i do blame it for adding to their problems.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: What does that have to do with anything.
Because i am a mixture of cultures does that make me an expert on all of them... i hope not
You seem to use that theory anytime you get your back to the wall.
So your saying me being hispanic and growing up hispanic does not make me expert on my own race? lol That a white person would know more about hispanic culture then a hispanic? I grew up in two worlds and that makes my experience a little more unique then most if not all on this board unless they grew up in the same two worlds as me. Going to Mexico on vacation a couple times of year or less does not make you or anyone else know more then a hispanic on their experiences and culture my friend.
quote:That top statement is deceiving(larger portion)
My guess is:
1. They eat at home more.
2. They incomes are less overall, so they spend a higher portion of their income on food.
3.Does not mean they spend more on food than non hispanics. (Per Person)
But they do IWish. Why is that so difficult to understand? Whether it is culture, financial reasons or other reasons does not matter because the bottom line is they do spend more on food then non hispanics whether individually or as a family.
quote:To most there isn't a lot to talk about under this thread.
If a big corportion wants to take a stab at this and it works so be it, if not so be it.
I stay away from Walmart because i do not like their policies and what they appear to represent.
Then explain to me because Cow and everyone else seems to avoid it. What is the purpose of this thread originally? We all know that Wal Mart opening hispanic themed supermarkets in no way has a connection to hispanic crime here or in Mexico. So what is the purpose of this thread based on that article and thread title Mooman created and pasted?
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"So your saying me being hispanic and growing up hispanic does not make me expert on my own race? lol That a white person would know more about hispanic culture then a hispanic? I grew up in two worlds and that makes my experience a little more unique then most if not all on this board unless they grew up in the same two worlds as me. Going to Mexico on vacation a couple times of year or less does not make you or anyone else know more then a hispanic on their experiences and culture my friend."
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We just have different definitions of the word expert, we have went there before also, i think the last was horse racing.
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"But they do IWish. Why is that so difficult to understand? Whether it is culture, financial reasons or other reasons does not matter because the bottom line is they do spend more on food then non hispanics whether individually or as a family." _________________________________________________
Interesting statement, i am not sure, but i would guess that many other families spend a lot more on food. The hispanics tend to eat at home a lot more, which is a lot less costly in most cases.
The ones i have been around all my life do not eat out as much as other familes in general do. The food they eat is not as costly as is some of the typical other foods eaten, if they follow the mexican food type.
I am also guessing that the targeted group in this article is not a high income group. My thought would be that they are a low to middle income group.
Another factor in in figuring how much each family spends on food would depend on the family size.
My statements are general and by no means do all fall into this category, at least the ones i have known don't.
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Then explain to me because Cow and everyone else seems to avoid it. What is the purpose of this thread originally? We all know that Wal Mart opening hispanic themed supermarkets in no way has a connection to hispanic crime here or in Mexico. So what is the purpose of this thread based on that article and thread title Mooman created and pasted?
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What does that have to do with the tea in China?
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You have been around here long enough to know that where a thread starts at, may have nothing to do where it goes next.
Yes I know that but I just want to know Mooman's motivation for this thread originally if not to stir sh*t up about a race with something that has nothing to do with it (Mexico's and our problems along the border). Notice Mooman doesn't answer and avoids answering other then when he said this has to do with prostitution/drugs/violence/guns etc. along the border.
Walmart hispanic supermarkets in the Southwest = Mexico's crime problems
I just want him to admit he is prejudice and this thread at least he is trying to get others to be so also because he knows the Walmart issue has nothing to do with violence.If he believes that then he's delusional.
The only issue with Wal Mart is them destroying local small businesses that already do what they plan to do but won't be able to compete. Period.
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Yes I know that but I just want to know Mooman's motivation for this thread originally if not to stir sh*t up about a race with something that has nothing to do with it (Mexico's and our problems along the border). Notice Mooman doesn't answer and avoids answering other then when he said this has to do with prostitution/drugs/violence/guns etc. along the border.
Walmart hispanic supermarkets in the Southwest = Mexico's crime problems
I just want him to admit he is prejudice and this thread at least he is trying to get others to be so also because he knows the Walmart issue has nothing to do with violence.If he believes that then he's delusional.
The only issue with Wal Mart is them destroying local small businesses that already do what they plan to do but won't be able to compete. Period.
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Guess i am a little lost in this one, or maybe not that interested.( Main Topic-Walmart)
I hate to give a chain like Walmart any public exposure that might be positive, because in my opinion they don't deserve any.
We all have a little clouded vision or tunnel vision when it comes to certain topics.
Just hope it does not become so clouded that we can't see through those clouds once in awhile.
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You have been around here long enough to know that where a thread starts at, may have nothing to do where it goes next.
Yes I know that but I just want to know Mooman's motivation for this thread originally if not to stir sh*t up about a race with something that has nothing to do with it (Mexico's and our problems along the border). Notice Mooman doesn't answer and avoids answering other then when he said this has to do with prostitution/drugs/violence/guns etc. along the border.
Walmart hispanic supermarkets in the Southwest = Mexico's crime problems
I just want him to admit he is prejudice and this thread at least he is trying to get others to be so also because he knows the Walmart issue has nothing to do with violence.If he believes that then he's delusional.
The only issue with Wal Mart is them destroying local small businesses that already do what they plan to do but won't be able to compete. Period.
No, thats now how it is. That is how you WANT it to be so you can take it to that argument. I never said anything about Walmart having something to do with violence. The thread just went that way with others.
Stop race baiting. All it shows is that you are beating the racism drum over and over and over when that is not what this is about.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: No, thats now how it is. That is how you WANT it to be so you can take it to that argument. I never said anything about Walmart having something to do with violence. The thread just went that way with others.
Stop race baiting. All it shows is that you are beating the racism drum over and over and over when that is not what this is about.
Really Mooman you surprise me sometimes. Never say anything in a public forum you do not want repeated to you.
You made this thread a race issue the minute you put "Mexican Walmarts in Phoenix" in your title as well as when you said this:
"Should we build an asian and african walmart? Why cant walmart being as awesome and so grand as they are just include all varieties in one store. Its pandering."
They can't include all varieties because every ethnic communities or communities in general have different tastes. Walmart would lose $$ if they didn't cater to the ethnicity of the community they open in. Even a businessman such as yourself should know that.
As for Walmart and the issue of Mexico's crime problem it was you who started that little tidbit when you replied to my post when I said Hispanics do spend more money on food then non hispanics (want me to paste the whole post?). This was your reply to me:
"Im just sick of the crap flowing across the border. The drugs and the violence, the human trafficking, the brothels going up all over the border states with kidnapped underage women, its sick and its a damn disease on the country. Guess where its coming? The place we are telling...hey come over here for free healthcare, free education, free everything, dont worry the people who create wealth will pay for it all. Then we got turncoat bastar** who hire them and encourage cheap labor...ugh"
Now remember your words were after i said a simple thing as "Hispanics spend more $$ on food then non hispanics and Walmart should cater to them in their communities". Then you replied to my post and spouted out that nonsense. So yes you did say in essence the Walmart issue had to do with the crime issue.
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You made this thread a race issue the minute you put "Mexican Walmarts in Phoenix" in your title as well as when you said this.
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Maybe i am just naive on this subject, but it seems to have something to do with race and maybe that's what CashCowMan is trying to point out.
I look at this "The Supermercado de Walmart" in the article and i am sure their not looking for other races for the majority of their business, any more than Little Saigon is looking for other races to keep their areas running.
Not that others are not welcome to spend money there, they just feel that through their research, their are a million reasons(dollars) to try and appeal to a certain race, which happens all the time. (that can be considered racist)
Maybe it is racist(seems like a strong word in this case) and these businesses use that to their advantage as long as there is enough of the race their appealing to in a small area.
I guess it been going on for so long it just becomes part of our daily life in some areas and businesses can get away with it to some degree.
Of course the same thing is done when businesses appeal to certain income levels, genders etc.
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Maybe i am just naive on this subject, but it seems to have something to do with race and maybe that's what CashCowMan is trying to point out.
But remember Cowman said he wasn't making this thread a race thing but yet in his title and first post he did. You can't be both. Making it a race issue and not making it a race isssue and then he brought in the whole Mexican crime issue into it and says that others did.
Opening a hispanic themed supermarket is not racist because eating hispanic food is what they eat. You don't open a indian food supermarket in Little Havana/Florida for example if that is not what that community eats unless you want to lose your shirt with your business investment.
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But remember Cowman said he wasn't making this thread a race thing but yet in his title and first post he did. You can't be both. Making it a race issue and not making it a race isssue and then he brought in the whole Mexican crime issue into it and says that others did.
Opening a hispanic themed supermarket is not racist because eating hispanic food is what they eat. You don't open a indian food supermarket in Little Havana/Florida for example if that is not what that community eats unless you want to lose your shirt with your business investment.
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Maybe i am misintrepeting what your saying above, but it appears in the first paragraph you say a themed supermarket is racist when CashCowMoo said it, yet in you're second paragraph you say it is not.
Below is the statement i don't understand as being racist. Maybe you can explain what you mean or why it is racist, so i can better understand where you went with this.
"You made this thread a race issue the minute you put "Mexican Walmarts in Phoenix" in your title as well as when you said this."
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: "You made this thread a race issue the minute you put "Mexican Walmarts in Phoenix" in your title as well as when you said this."
Racist by his words because he's basically saying that there shouldn't be any hispanic (or ethnic in general) supermarkets and really only what is considered "American" or white supermarkets to him...
If you haven't noticed he attacks anything that is hispanic in theme. If it's not the supermarkets then it's labels that have both spanish and english. If it's not that then it's customer service #'s that give you the option for spanish or english etc.
But point being he wants to shove his cultural beliefs on people who are non white or non western imo like the hispanics and iranians/middle easterners for example...
what i get from the title of his thread and first post is he doesn't want hispanics to be able to shop and buy what they like to eat and they should only eat what is considered "american"... so therefor Walmart should not be opening such places unless it's "american" themed...
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: "You made this thread a race issue the minute you put "Mexican Walmarts in Phoenix" in your title as well as when you said this."
Racist by his words because he's basically saying that there shouldn't be any hispanic (or ethnic in general) supermarkets and really only what is considered "American" or white supermarkets to him...
It just never ends with you does it mach If you haven't noticed he attacks anything that is hispanic in theme. If it's not the supermarkets then it's labels that have both spanish and english. If it's not that then it's customer service #'s that give you the option for spanish or english etc.
But point being he wants to shove his cultural beliefs on people who are non white or non western imo like the hispanics and iranians/middle easterners for example...
what i get from the title of his thread and first post is he doesn't want hispanics to be able to shop and buy what they like to eat and they should only eat what is considered "american"... so therefor Walmart should not be opening such places unless it's "american" themed...
"Racist by his words because he's basically saying that there shouldn't be any hispanic (or ethnic in general) supermarkets and really only what is considered "American" or white supermarkets to him...
If you haven't noticed he attacks anything that is hispanic in theme. If it's not the supermarkets then it's labels that have both spanish and english. If it's not that then it's customer service #'s that give you the option for spanish or english etc.
But point being he wants to shove his cultural beliefs on people who are non white or non western imo like the hispanics and iranians/middle easterners for example...
what i get from the title of his thread and first post is he doesn't want hispanics to be able to shop and buy what they like to eat and they should only eat what is considered "american"... so therefor Walmart should not be opening such places unless it's "american" themed..."
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I see where you went now.
You just tried to sum up your feelings about where you thought he headed.
I was just trying to see where you drew your conclusion from "Mexican Walmarts in Phoenix"
Seemed like a mute point to me, with all the Mexican, Chinese etc. chains.
As far as shoving cultural beliefs on people, seems like what we try to do that when getting into some wars, religion etc. (US and World)
Or maybe visa-versa with some religions.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I see where you went now.
You just tried to sum up your feelings about where you thought he headed.
I was just trying to see where you drew your conclusion from "Mexican Walmarts in Phoenix"
Glad you see what i meant... unfortunately and this is just my opinion... unless something affects white america then no one cares about the minorities....
quote:Seemed like a mute point to me, with all the Mexican, Chinese etc. chains.
Exactly and that is why i wanted to know from him why this thread? He still hasn't answered with the exception of "he is sick of all the violence,drug and human trafficking crossing the borders" which we know has nothing to do with Walmarts supermercardos...
He doesn't attack other ethnic groups with their supermarkets though... odd isn't it? So again brings me to the question about this thread. Why? Any answer Mooman?
quote:As far as shoving cultural beliefs on people, seems like what we try to do that when getting into some wars, religion etc. (US and World)
Or maybe visa-versa with some religions.
I totally agree with you 100% and is one reason the U.S. is not liked in other parts of the world.
As for religions, yes that is evident in Islam imo not so much with other religions. Like they say religion is the opiate of the masses.
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"Glad you see what i meant... unfortunately and this is just my opinion... unless something affects white america then no one cares about the minorities...."
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Not sure what white america has to do with the point.
Technically speaking white america might be a minority now.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Quote Machiavelli:
"Glad you see what i meant... unfortunately and this is just my opinion... unless something affects white america then no one cares about the minorities...."
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Not sure what white america has to do with the point.
Technically speaking white america might be a minority now.
That just lets you know how he approaches his arguments. It's pretty clear.
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