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Is there a way we can but a curb on some of these personal attacks on the OT boards? There are a lot of good and interesting threads on here. But with the constant bashing of each other amongst posters, it severely takes away from the content of these OT threads. I, and I'm sure many others, enjoy these OT threads, but the constant attacks upon one another takes alot of the enjoyment away.

I mean you click on an updated thread that interests you thinking there might be some new insight, and all you get is one poster badmouthing another poster. It's getting ridiculous here lately with the attacks. I have fired off a few attacks of my own over my 3 1/2 years here as well. But lately, there are incessant personal battles between several posters that are dominating the OT threads.

Something should be done IMHO.

Thanks for listening.
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[ October 29, 2008, 06:26: Message edited by: Bob Frey ]

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Or mabey we should just make a new board....

We can call it the "Sissy OT Board"....that way the ones who cry themselfs to sleep every night over personal attacks....can have a place to socialize with others that share the same personality weakness.....I mean trait! [Big Grin]

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Or maybe the Kiddie board so that the ones that have nothing better to do than call each other names can have at it. [BadOne] [Wall Bang]
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Ace,

That's what I'm talking about. Your first response was to attack me for my suggestion that was not directed to you. It's getting ridiculous where you can't post a cogent thought without someone wanting to attack you.

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quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Or maybe the Kiddie board so that the ones that have nothing better to do than call each other names can have at it. [BadOne] [Wall Bang]

Good idea wallymac! Let them have it out on some specific board as opposed to littering all the OT boards with that garbage.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
Ace,

That's what I'm talking about. Your first response was to attack me for my suggestion that was not directed to you. It's getting ridiculous where you can't post a cogent thought without someone wanting to attack you.

I never mentioned your name or refered to you in any way. I was speaking in general about sissies...

There is no way my post could be mistaken as a personal attack...on anyone...it was a very general, fun post.

Why are you on the deffense....do you feel that you may be a sissy? [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
Ace,

That's what I'm talking about. Your first response was to attack me for my suggestion that was not directed to you. It's getting ridiculous where you can't post a cogent thought without someone wanting to attack you.

I never mentioned your name or refered to you in any way. I was speaking in general about sissies...

There is no way my post could be mistaken as a personal attack...on anyone...it was a very general, fun post.

Why are you on the deffense....do you feel that you may be a sissy? [Big Grin]

Thank you! You have illustrated my point beyond whatever my simple words could have. Again, thank you!

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Easy now....pots and kettles...

How much of this problem reaches back to calling anyone that questioned dubya or any of his crowd unpatriotic and un-American and communist and so on? (Which, by the way, has been standard republican fare since Reagan used it as his norm. He is often proudly quoted for his "Speak no evil about any republican" but the corollary of it being acceptable to level any accusation even absurd ones, toward any democrat gets a pass.)

Poor people are not lazy or "no counts"!

Democrat and socialist are not synonyms! (And certainly, neither is communist.)

Conservative does not imply correctness!

Unemployed does not imply ne'er-do-well!

And the list goes on.....

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Bdgee - wrong again!

Socialists are unpatriotic and Un-American.

Many poor people are poor because they are lazy.

The democratic party HAS been stolen by the socialists.

Obviously, conservatives are correct.

and the list goes on...

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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Bdgee - wrong again!

Socialists are unpatriotic and Un-American.

Many poor people are poor because they are lazy.

The democratic party HAS been stolen by the socialists.

Obviously, conservatives are correct.

and the list goes on...

Prime example Bob or Tex. Can't even start a new thread without this garbage that is littering the OT boards. It's sickening.

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Clearly, he has no mirror where he lives.
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I think we should roast Pagan! lol

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Hungry, Lockman?
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Pagan, you must keep in mind that the average IQ in America is only 100.

we need a few people around to remind us all of the dangers of marrying your cousin, no matter how good-looking they might be.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Pagan, you must keep in mind that the average IQ in America is only 100.

we need a few people around to remind us all of the dangers of marrying your cousin.

ROFLMAO! I forgot the idiot factor.....sorry glass!

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quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
Or mabey we should just make a new board....

We can call it the "Sissy OT Board"....that way the ones who cry themselfs to sleep every night over personal attacks....can have a place to socialize with others that share the same personality weakness.....I mean trait! [Big Grin]

lol

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quote:
ROFLMAO! I forgot the idiot factor.....sorry glass!
I guess even pagan doesn't want to be on the sissy ot board. LOL
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This is exactly what I am talking about. But I guess Bob feels it's ok and proper. I'll probably stop posting here soon. So to all, have fun.

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Smithsonian Magazine has a pretty good article entitled Election Day 1860 in the Nov. issue...

things aren't even close to bad right now, compared to that time...

Lincoln didn't give speeches,or debate becuase in his own words:


And, now my friend - for such I esteem you personally - do not misunderstand me. I have not decided that I will not do substantially what you suggest. I will not forbear doing so, merely on punctilio and pluck. If I do finally abstain, it will be because of apprehension that it would do harm. For the good men of the South - and I regard the majority of them as such - I have no objection to repeat seventy and seven times. But I have bad men also to deal with, both North and South - men who are eager for something new upon which to base new misrepresentations - men who would like to frighten me, or at least, to fix upon me the character of timidity and cowardice. They would seize upon almost any letter I could write, as being an awful coming down." I intend keeping my eye upon these gentlemen, and to not unnecessarily put any weapons in their hands.

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Why dont we for the Vice President the same way we vote for the President?

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Why dont we for the Vice President the same way we vote for the President?

Our Constitution's framers created the vice-presidency almost as an afterthought. In setting up a system for electing presidents, they devised an electoral college and provided that each of its members was to vote for two persons, "of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves." In those days when loyalty to one's state was stronger than to the new nation, the framers recognized that individual electors might be inclined to choose a leader from their own immediate political circle, creating the danger of a crippling deadlock, as no one candidate would win a plurality of all votes cast. By being required to select one candidate from outside their own states, electors would be compelled to look for individuals of national stature. Under the system the framers created, the candidate receiving the most electoral votes would be president. The one coming in second would be vice president.

In the election of 1800, however, the constitutional system for electing presidents broke down, as both Jefferson and Aaron Burr received the same number of electoral votes. This impasse threw the contest into the House of Representatives, where for thirty-five separate ballots, neither candidate was able to gain a majority. When the stalemate was finally broken, the House elected Jefferson president, thus making Aaron Burr our third vice president. Within four years of this deadlocked election, Congress had passed, and the necessary number of states had ratified, the Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution, instituting the present system wherein electors cast separate ballots for president and for vice president.


http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm

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Pagan, as much as your idea may have good intentions, its very nature violates Ameriacan rights. There is something called free speech that allows one person to call another person an idiot, or dolt, or moron on this message board. In the same fashion, the accused dolt, moron, or idiot can fire back that said poster is uneducated and lazy etc... I could go on.

Now, some of the attacks that I have seen here, would clarify as defamation and/or slander but on a messaage board, cmon.

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Yea like we need all the a****** surfers we can get! ROFlMAO! Hopefully they are NOT assimilated!!!


I hope you were including yourself Pagan....

Hypocritically forgetful are we?

Oh and if you did not get my response here it is right below your post...

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/14 /t/004761/p/2.html

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Pagan,

I'd sure hate too see you stop posting here. Please reconsider while we consider this question.

Admittedly, I have often wondered myself about the low level of intelligent posting. Although I have no problem intervening on trading threads, I had come to the conclusion that most on the off-topic threads enjoy "trading barbs"--to some degree or another, some more, some less.

CJ, bad or good, "free speech" does not apply here in the sense that it does in the public arena. We are all here in "Bob's house," so to speak. To that end, he relies to a certain commendable degree on the mods to influence and maintain a certain tone, or decorum, if you will.

In turn--and I'm speaking for myself here, but my sense of it is this: in the off-topic threads, we mods depend to a certain degree on the "core members" and what seems acceptable in our community. In other words, yes, I sorely miss a higher tone of discourse, but I hesitate to restrain members who seem to enjoy insulting one another. In fact, you may notice that I occasionally resort to what I consider a well deserved insult.

Also, I must admit, I believe somewhere in the mix is the record-of-fact that some of we "old-timers" *do* enjoy mixing it up with each other, and we play pretty hard ball. But, like trading pennies, it's not really a sport for the under-qualified.

So here's my short-term suggestions:

1) remember about throwing stones, the Golden Rule, etc

2) focus on the argument, rather than the member who posted it

3) remember, you always have the "Report Post" option, next to the whistle icon.

Again, Pagan, I hope you stick around, and I'm sure others here do, too. In fact, thanks for bringing this up, on a public thread.

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quote:
Originally posted by cottonjim:
Pagan, as much as your idea may have good intentions, its very nature violates Ameriacan rights. There is something called free speech that allows one person to call another person an idiot, or dolt, or moron on this message board. In the same fashion, the accused dolt, moron, or idiot can fire back that said poster is uneducated and lazy etc... I could go on.

Now, some of the attacks that I have seen here, would clarify as defamation and/or slander but on a messaage board, cmon.

Several things I post are to merely get a reaction.....

You can call me retarded all you please.... I might even enjoy it and most likely a retort will be in order.

I like hearing both sides of every story. If we all agreed on everything this would be a pathetically boring board.

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Ok, I will.

You are retarded-all-you-please.

I hope you enjoyed that.

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I even like Beeg's commentary and classic one lined belittlers. Some of the best around!
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Well, that settles which shelf we should file your excuse for taste on.
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lol
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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Pagan,

I'd sure hate too see you stop posting here. Please reconsider while we consider this question.

Admittedly, I have often wondered myself about the low level of intelligent posting. Although I have no problem intervening on trading threads, I had come to the conclusion that most on the off-topic threads enjoy "trading barbs"--to some degree or another, some more, some less.

CJ, bad or good, "free speech" does not apply here in the sense that it does in the public arena. We are all here in "Bob's house," so to speak. To that end, he relies to a certain commendable degree on the mods to influence and maintain a certain tone, or decorum, if you will.

In turn--and I'm speaking for myself here, but my sense of it is this: in the off-topic threads, we mods depend to a certain degree on the "core members" and what seems acceptable in our community. In other words, yes, I sorely miss a higher tone of discourse, but I hesitate to restrain members who seem to enjoy insulting one another. In fact, you may notice that I occasionally resort to what I consider a well deserved insult.

Also, I must admit, I believe somewhere in the mix is the record-of-fact that some of we "old-timers" *do* enjoy mixing it up with each other, and we play pretty hard ball. But, like trading pennies, it's not really a sport for the under-qualified.

So here's my short-term suggestions:

1) remember about throwing stones, the Golden Rule, etc

2) focus on the argument, rather than the member who posted it

3) remember, you always have the "Report Post" option, next to the whistle icon.

Again, Pagan, I hope you stick around, and I'm sure others here do, too. In fact, thanks for bringing this up, on a public thread.

Tex,

Isn't Bob's world in America? I'll answer that, yes, and as such; don't OUR rules apply here? I understand the need for moderators because of the "poo slinging" that comes with free speech, but it is borderline at times to say the least. And I am not talking about the deletion of pointless or meaningless posts, which would actually fall under the same rule. I am talking about the selection of which posts to delete from record and which to save? Off topic is off topic, let 'er slide. However, I should be able to say anything (within FCC (or whoever the **** regulates the net) guidlines) on any board at any time without deletion.
Taste and stomach are Irrelevant in the public forum, if you don't like what you hear/see/read, don't go there anymore!!!!!!!!! Where the he!! did the common sense go???? Bgesus.. never mind [Wink]

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Yikes, CJ

To tell the truth, I thought most everybody was up on "the rules" about message boards, forums, etc.

Bottom line, Allstocks is no different from any other board in this one, basic sense: Members are not in public. Even though it's cyberspace, it's nonetheless a private space. That's what I meant about being "Bob's house."

In that sense, think about it being your own home.

You can allow anyone you want in your own home. You can also ask them to leave. For instance, suppose someone starting hitting on, or insulting, your wife. Or your kids...

Are you obliged to allow their complete freedom of expression? I'll answer that: NO! of course not. Why? It's YOUR HOUSE, not the public square.

Now, if someone slanders you or your family in the public square, you *do* have legal recourse, via the court system. BUT, you have no legal standing to have them removed from the public square...that is, no legal standing as you would if it were your own house/property. To take it to extremes: Do you think you should be forced to allow burning crosses on your property, simply because otherwise the KKK's freedom of speech is threatened?

All that being said, you gotta concede we allow a pretty freewheelin' forum on off-topics.

And THAT being said? I still support Pagan's call for higher discourse.

[Wink]

PS: by the way, anything that mods delete are first reported, logged, and saved to archive. Given some of the scammers that have tried to set up shop here in the past, such a practice is an unfortunate necessity.

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Tex...What about my idea for a "Sissy Off-Topic Board" ?????

I thought that idea was a winner???

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quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
Tex...What about my idea for a "Sissy Off-Topic Board" ?????

I thought that idea was a winner???

lol...maybe

or, perhaps I'm not quite catching the concept.

As I understand the issue, maybe a better title would be "The Trading Insults" thread? That is, if your objective is to insult the IQ, demeanor, spelling, etc of your opponent... then dogpile here.

Otherwise, I get the sense that the endless namecalling back 'n forth has run its course.

make sense?

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Yaw'll need to get off Pagan's azz.

And yaw'll need to offer a bit of concern for decorum with him.

He's correct, Bob has the right to remove any one of us or anything anyone of us post and the right to restrict how we act or interact here.

I don't agree with the extreme remedy Pagan proposed, in that it imposes responsibilities on how Bob and the moderators use their rights that should not be necessary with a group of adults. But I do with his plea for civility here and you should too.

And Bob has the right to expect those who post here to act at least adult enough that he needn't play the kindergarten playground monitor and send folks off the playground when they pull hair and throw rocks. He has better things to do.

Too damned many of you spent too damned much time playing Space Invaders and wiping out and zapping whatever you saw on a screen. You still are playing a childish game whenever you get the chance and you forget that these are not simply electronic images of a machine generated enemy.

Just because you find it on "the net" so that it shows up on the screen of your machine where you play Space Invaders doesn't make it reasonable to attack it unmercifully like you do the Invader rocket ships in order to score another kill and get a bigger score in the game. It's a forum, NOT AN ELECTRONIC GAME.

The people and their post you attack here are not electronic imaginary targets, designed specifically for you to destroy in a silly game and get more points! They may not wish to be nothing but a toy in your egocentric game. And they have a right to expect that you show some amount of respect for normal social decorum, including not incessantly insulting everyone with name calling of whoever you want to demean today.

You wouldn't want to be part of any group that went about in public calling folks names and intentionally insulting minorities and screaming insults. Why do it here?

Have you no respect for others simply because you can't see and feel and hear them? Are you really so insensitive that you think referring to others in derogatory terms and demeaning names is acceptable, whatever they are are aren't and whether or not they are or are not present?

Pagan has asked that we consider cleaning up the way we treat people here. Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me and, even if it did, because it is a concern to him, it should be respectfully considered by all of us.

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Pagan has asked that we consider cleaning up the way we treat people here. Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me and, even if it did, because it is a concern to him, it should be respectfully considered by all of us.

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Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
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