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Machiavelli
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Obviously people do not have the confidence that McCain knows any economics and how to solves such problems and forget Palin because anything she does will benefit Alaska more then the rest of us:

Economy Gives Obama Clear Edge in Poll

(Sept. 24) - Recent economic woes have given Democrat Barack Obama a clear lead over Republican John McCain, a new poll shows. The Washington Post/ABC News national poll finds Obama leading McCain by 9 points, 52 to 43 percent, among likely voters.
Just two weeks ago, in the days following the Republican convention, the same poll showed the two candidates in a virtual tie, with McCain at 49 percent and Obama at 47 percent.
Neither of the last two Democratic candidates had support of more than 50 percent in a Post-ABC poll in the 2004 or 2000 elections.
Obama has a 14-point lead over McCain in who voters trust to handle the economy.
Get the Full Story From Washingtonpost.com
More Coverage: Poll Finds 18 Percent of Likely Voters Undecided

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the Palin bounce was short-lived..

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time to short sell her... especially "naked" short sell her lol [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the Palin bounce was short-lived..

In one sense, the economy has been a Godsend to Palin.

I doubt her lack of experience and all the improprieties of her style of governing could have let her last 'til now as a political sweetheart anyway, if attention hadn't been switched to "the bail out".

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Now if Obama can hammer McCain good on these debates not only can he hold his gain he can widen it.

He has shown he can take the lead but he has been giving it slowly back

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quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Now if Obama can hammer McCain good on these debates not only can he hold his gain he can widen it.

He has shown he can take the lead but he has been giving it slowly back

oh my what's gonna happen if Obama gets hammered?
Rumor has it he's locked himself away so he can study his canned answers.
At least McCain is confident enough to stay on the campaign trail bonding with the people.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Now if Obama can hammer McCain good on these debates not only can he hold his gain he can widen it.

He has shown he can take the lead but he has been giving it slowly back

oh my what's gonna happen if Obama gets hammered?
Rumor has it he's locked himself away so he can study his canned answers.
At least McCain is confident enough to stay on the campaign trail bonding with the people.

Oops! No campaign bonding for McCain. He is also asking to postpone the debates.

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Rumor has it OBAMA suggested it first.

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Nope, Obama suggested a joint statement, that McCain agreed to do.

Is this some of the cooperation John boy brags about?

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Thats a possibility that Obama could get hammered good.

But to do that McCain has to come out of hidding and meet him on the debate floor.

I knew McCain would wimp out.

Rumor that Obama wanted to out first Repubilcan Lie not rumor. Obama says the show goes on.

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not a GOP lie, McCain is trying to appear to be doing something...

of course there will be a huge spin campaign now from both sides, but IMO we cannot suspend democracy (completely)...

all we need now is a flu epidemic and Dick Cheney can pronounce himself Emperor of the Socialist Republic of the United States of America...

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McCain can always seek the advice of his VP Caribou Barbie unless she is out on one of her wolf murdering missions with an areoplane and a high powered rifle. O give em a chance Palin
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What I dont get is such sexism towards Palin and also was targeted at Hilary --- let them be sexist and forget the issues cause men have proven capable of govening?

Always a sexist remark - Ill be a sexist - last night i was watching capital news at UN and also senate hearings - most white males and alot old - and i asked myself - are these the folks responsbile for the state of world affairs?
We need new blood - more women ---

Most guys cant get over it that we are smarter and not so warlike and only think by brain and rick - woman think by heart and brain ---and spirit --

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on the flip side of that TM? it feels like we have to be extra careful not to be perceived as sexist too...

i pretty much unload on all the guys, but no about their hairdo, so i try to stay away from that, but i really think she should find a new hair dresser [Big Grin] (JK)

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Yeah - Ill say - life is unfair - but we all have to get past the sexism and racism - and really ask who is the best candidate...

And, glass - being a white male is tough as is being an american - I am an american but of second generation and had nothin to do with slavery in this country but automatically whitie refers to all whites - and as I said before alot of african americans came here after slavery yet indigenous blacks are victims but african blacks who are immigrants or kids of immigrants excel in this society...

It is not race but the values and the victim role .....

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if Palin had been Governor of California for a second term? alot of the criticism would not be being so "insignificant"...

like the grades? nobody asked if Ahnold had good grades... but we just don't have much to go on with her...

my dislike of Hillary has nothing to do with her being a woman... unless you want to consider her choice of husband

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Ha,Ha,Ha caribou Baebie you think that is sexist or the hunting habits of just one of many lazy Alaskan welfare jerks. Ok its your life.
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I am sure some of you will love this....cut and paste.....


CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

And this says nothing about stripping of the DoD, appeasement of the terrorists, and loss of US sovereignty under “world citizen” Obama’s relinquishment of US rights to the UN and World Court . Nor does it talk of loss of rights in “Fairness Laws” which are only fair to the minority.









You can verify the above at the following web sites:


http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_differen t_visions_on_taxes.html

http://****.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/

http://****.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/

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The difference is the taxes will be used more wisely with obama......And with Bush...I mean Mcain...Would could end up paying for another Iraq type war...or another 100 years in the current war.

I'll gladly pay the taxes if it can better our economy, education, ect...cause in the long run our dollar will stretch father if our taxes are used wisely!

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Yeah, Ace, and the fact that those figures surfer gives are completely wrong.

I think he must be getting those from some standard liar, maybed Limbaugh or Hannity. They are bogus.

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How do you know bdgee?

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Because I know how much several people have paid and how much they make.
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I have seen Obamas web sight and no such figures like surfers are there.

If you are interested in lower taxes there is only one way to get there balance a budget and that is something the republicans have not done since Richard Nixon.

Look at the mess this idiot Bush thing has done to this country and now he thinks nothing about giving away 700 billion more to the top end what a moron.

I wonder where Oswald is when you really need him

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Calculator shows taxes under McCain, Obama
BY DION LEFLER
The Wichita Eagle

Like a lot of Americans, you might be confused by the repeated and competing tax claims of the nation's presidential candidates.

Now, there's a Web site where you can figure out for yourself how the candidates' tax plans could affect you.

The site, www.electiontaxes.com, features a calculator that allows you to put in your earnings and deductions and decide whether you'd fare better under a McCain or Obama administration.

The calculator is a partnership of the University of Southern Maine and Quantix, a company that develops business modeling software, said Jeff Gramlich, the L.L. Bean professor of accounting at the university.

Gramlich said he put together the data and formulas for the calculator, while Quantix provided the computing muscle to make it accessible to ordinary taxpayers.

The idea, he said, is to help the ordinary voter cut through the fog around both candidates' tax plans.

The calculator will estimate your taxes for the next four years under both the McCain and Obama plans.

http://www.kansas.com/224/story/543956.html

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp
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Thank you Wally.

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You are saying then.........

Cap. gains tax
dividend tax
income tax
inheritance tax

will not be higher under Obama.

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surfer,

Did ya look at the snopes article? It spells it out.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
surfer,

Did ya look at the snopes article? It spells it out.

Yes I read it and posted it above, but I presume wally posted it from Snopes to show that the status (on top of the article) was false.

Hell I know taxes under Obama will be higher.

Specially for our family.

I just want to hear it from these guys that taxes won't be higher.

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LOL

You didn't read far enough.

Capital Gains:
Neither candidate is going to change the $500,000 exemption. Obama has said he'd likely raise cap gains tax. 28% is where it was during Clinton's years. Obama says no more than that and his Tax Plan on his website says top at 20%.

Dividends:
Obama says it should be taxed same as Capital Gains. He has publicly said Capital gains certainly wouldn't be above 28% and his Tax Plan on his website quotes 20%. Additionally it says this change would only affect households that make more than $250,000 per year.

Income tax:
Households making less than $250,000 per year will pay less tax with Obama's plan, not more.

Inheritance Tax:
Inheritance Tax was never repealed by Bush. Estate tax generally applies only to estates valued at 2 Million or more and tops out at 45%. Inheritance Tax is ALREADY SCHEDULED to raise exclusion amount to 3.5 Mil in 2009, in 2010 it will be suspended completely, and then in 2011 it is ALREADY SCHEDULED to be reinstated with a 1 Mil exclusion and top rate of 55%

Obama wants to change it to a 3.5 Million exclusion with a top rate of 45% standard.

Other New Taxes Proposed by Obama:

New Tax on homes bigger than 2400 sq. feet:
Lie, Obama has not proposed this tax.

New Tax on gasoline:
Lie, Obama has not proposed this tax.

New Tax on retirement accounts:
Lie, Obama has not proposed this tax.

New tax on natural resource consumption:
If referring to Cap and Trade pollution control then yes, though that is a cost charge to polluters not a tax on the public.

New tax for Universal Healthcare:
Obama states his healthcare plan can be funded by repealing the Bush tax cuts on those who make more than $250,000 per year. This then is not a new tax.

So really surfer, unless your family brings in more the 250k a year and owns a home worth more than 500k...no,your family's taxes will not be higher.

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"So really surfer, unless your family brings in more the 250k a year and owns a home worth more than 500k...no,your family's taxes will not be higher."


AND THAT IS $250k AFTER ALL YOUR DEDUCTIONS, NOT BEFORE!

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Well lets usher in the obama years.

Doesn't look like I'll be paying any taxes and their gonna kick in free health care.

And I'm gonna get a nice check to boot!

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WASHINGTON (Associated Press) -- In a major concession, Republican John McCain has abandoned efforts to win Michigan, a Democratic-leaning battleground state the GOP presidential candidate had hoped to capture. Republican officials with knowledge of the strategy said the GOP nominee is removing staff, curtailing advertising and canceling visits to the Midwestern state, which offers 17 electoral votes.
http://hamptonroads.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximize d&view=article&id=D93IICRO0&_action=validatearticle

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It was over when Obama said "I agree with Senator MaCain on that....", with Palin then proving in interviews that she is a political dunce being icing on the cake.

Tonight watch Biden spoon ice cream on the side of the plate by agreeing with Palin as an introduction to his answer to questions.

They are playing rope-a-dope and the republicans keep on swinging hard to try and make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

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Democrats in roman (235); Republicans in italic (199); vacancies (1) OH11; total
435. The number preceding the name is the Member’s district.

This is today,
And they the people want change.

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