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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080208/ap_on_go_ot/epa_mercury_pollution_24
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Where as Clinton championed against this horror.
When will we realize that it matters not who the president is.
THE WHOLE FRIGGEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO REGARD FOR OUR WELLBEING.
Telling us it will change with the election of a new moron is as criminal as the harm itself.

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Bush has ignored the law more than all the rest combined.

If the Democrat party had any intestinal fortitude? they'd move for impeachment. they don't.

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Two masks on the same face.
Can you not see?

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How much conserving could a conservative conserve, if a conservative could conserve?

With enough perspective and distance, it's plain that whichever party is in control doesn't make much difference for the common person.

I hope we'll get some relief under a Democratic president, but as a whole, the government nexus will continue to be skewed toward the elite.

Bush's being a nutball has little to do with the GOP itself, which is evidenced quite hilariously by the Limburger-Coulter dysfunction.

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Two masks on the same face.
Can you not see?

yes, i do see.

i've been pointing it out here for years.

there are solutions, but first? peopl have to vote and they are voting in record numbers.

if Hillary wins? it will be because the "old democrats" go against the popular vote and put her up.

the super delegates are the key in this race.

if they "install" Hillary there will be alot of very unhappy young people in this country.

Obama Calls Out Super Delegates: "Party Insiders" Shouldn't Decide Race

Politico | Ben Smith | February 6, 2008 02:00 PM
"If this contest comes down to superdelegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those superdelegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination," he said.

"The argument we would be making to superdelegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then i think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that's going to be pretty improtant when it comes to the general election," he says.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/06/obama-calls-out-super-del_n_85339.html

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why cant the democrats impeach bush? i think they should try.


you know what I have a problem with? the patriot act. thats not the patriot act...a patriot act would be something like taking better care of troops medically when they get back from iraq or afghanistan. it should be called the snoop act, or the intrusive act.

bush once again using the words "freedom, patriot, etc" to mask something that is dark for his own agenda. I HATE IT!

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You do not see.
Glass the entire premise they present and you and many others buy into is far from choice.
If I tell you, you are free to choose from a kick in the the right nut as opposed to the left...
Are you free to choose?
The "Game" they are presenting is not far from calculated.
they already know Hilary is not exactly palatable.
That's why McCain is on the other side...
he's vulnerable on many fronts.
It's all a game and the rules are not written or legible by the likes of... well apparently... you.

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they think they'll do better politically if they don't?

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
why cant the democrats impeach bush? i think they should try.


you know what I have a problem with? the patriot act. thats not the patriot act...a patriot act would be something like taking better care of troops medically when they get back from iraq or afghanistan. it should be called the snoop act, or the intrusive act.

bush once again using the words "freedom, patriot, etc" to mask something that is dark for his own agenda. I HATE IT!

Because they can't risk making a martyr of the GOP, by extension, and thereby blowing what seems to be a slam-dunk...

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after Watergate? things didn't go so good...

the first thing that happened was the oil embargo...

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
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It's all a game and the rules are not written or legible by the likes of... well apparently... you.

lol, RD... burning the midnight oil with those Dale Carnegie books again?

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the list of Bush's "devaitions from the law" is so long an extensive that i wouldn't even know where to start..

take his economic plans. they've just buried US in more and more debt....

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
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It's all a game and the rules are not written or legible by the likes of... well apparently... you.

lol, RD... burning the midnight oil with those Dale Carnegie books again?
he's OK with me Tex. i agree with him, i don't like the unwritten rules.

my goal has always been to stir up discussion which is just a start. but in '03? people were AFRAID to show dissent from the admin. really afraid, and don't mean on the internet. i mean people i know that disagreed.

that has changed. but it took Katrina to get people to realise just how incompetent the Bush team is...

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
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It's all a game and the rules are not written or legible by the likes of... well apparently... you.

lol, RD... burning the midnight oil with those Dale Carnegie books again?
Well as you know, I'm all about the people.
I adore their thoughts and desires.
really it's all about them... to me.
That's what I want... more vulnerable people to emote within my presence so that I might adore them.

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Glass you are missing the point.. by a degree of WOW.
Katrina?
Who gives a damn about katrina?
Morons.. that's who.
Funny that N.O. was worst hit huh?
West side of the storm and all?
It's all a game to increase federal governmental jurisdiction.
Can you not see?
I was in the hardest hit area...
Right friggen here.
And a whine one you will not hear from me or any other near me.
As I am here I can give honest declaration that the only ones *****ing about the government's response to the "Hurricane of the eon" are the ones who lost nothing and wish to gain everything.

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
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It's all a game and the rules are not written or legible by the likes of... well apparently... you.

lol, RD... burning the midnight oil with those Dale Carnegie books again?
Well as you know, I'm all about the people.
I adore their thoughts and desires.
really it's all about them... to me.
That's what I want... more vulnerable people to emote within my presence so that I might adore them.

ya, Queen for a Day, I know, I know...we had TVs here, too, back then...

Glassy says, "he's OK with me Tex. i agree with him, i don't like the unwritten rules."

Hell, I know dat...

and you how *I* am ... both about unwritten rules AND written rules that go abegging...

I wish Paulie boy could've hung aroung long enough to get some his market concerns pirated by stronger candidates. As is, back to the dumpster with a "real market."

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ones who lost nothing and wish to gain everything.

and? very little has actually been fixed since the storm (except the casinos)...

i saw Dubya on TV today encouraging the recent tornado victims..

he said the same damn thing he told eveyrybod th last three or four times he's visited the sites of devastation..

"I have no doubt in my mind this community will come back better than before," Bush said at a fire station in Lafayette during a briefing with local, state and federal officials.

he has no doubt in his mind or much of anything else for that matter...

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OT from off-topic:

was looking up Katrina, found a VoA link, got sidetracked when I saw link to this:

http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/about_special_english.cfm

wow, "Special English"...

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Special English broadcasters read at a slower pace, about two-thirds the speed of standard English. This helps people learning English hear each word clearly. It also helps people who are fluent English speakers understand complex subjects.


so if budgee reads me his latest math papers at two thirds speed? i'll really understand it? LOL...

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doubt he'd be restricted to 1,500 word lexicon...

so,

no. We're both outta dat loop, lol

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Special English broadcasters read at a slower pace, about two-thirds the speed of standard English. This helps people learning English hear each word clearly. It also helps people who are fluent English speakers understand complex subjects.


so if budgee reads me his latest math papers at two thirds speed? i'll really understand it? LOL...

"Special English writers use short, simple sentences that contain only one idea. They use active voice. They do not use idioms."

Like Hemingway?

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Special English broadcasters read at a slower pace, about two-thirds the speed of standard English. This helps people learning English hear each word clearly. It also helps people who are fluent English speakers understand complex subjects.


so if budgee reads me his latest math papers at two thirds speed? i'll really understand it? LOL...

You give me three years of serious effort and I could have you writing them.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Special English broadcasters read at a slower pace, about two-thirds the speed of standard English. This helps people learning English hear each word clearly. It also helps people who are fluent English speakers understand complex subjects.


so if budgee reads me his latest math papers at two thirds speed? i'll really understand it? LOL...

You give me three years of serious effort and I could have you writing them.
Beedge, for real? Either he or I could write Hemingway in the meantime [Big Grin]

granted, Glassy-eyed might lean more toward your offer [Wink]

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the president does not run this country, just barks out calls
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"incremental change" ring a bell?

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quote:
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ones who lost nothing and wish to gain everything.

and? very little has actually been fixed since the storm (except the casinos)...

i saw Dubya on TV today encouraging the recent tornado victims..

he said the same damn thing he told eveyrybod th last three or four times he's visited the sites of devastation..

"I have no doubt in my mind this community will come back better than before," Bush said at a fire station in Lafayette during a briefing with local, state and federal officials.

he has no doubt in his mind or much of anything else for that matter...

Oh I don't know, New Orleans looks about the same now as it did before the storm.
It really is all a game.
All presidential visits to disaster areas are nothing more than photo ops.
The whining and complaining after Katrina hit was a ploy to further involve the federal government in our lives.

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The whining and complaining after Katrina hit was a ploy to further involve the federal government in our lives.

yes and no..

the Feds have a financial system designed that they call capitalism.
it sort of resembles capitalism cuz theres money involved.

the Federal Reserve (not a govt agency) orders cash from the Treasury Dept (a govt agency) and sells it to people.

the Fed Govt then calls about 1/3 of that money back in as taxes and gives out about 150% of that money to it's "customers".

Everybody wants to be a customer.

The underlying issue is that everybody wants something for nothing. Or in other words? Everybody wants to be the boss, and nobody wants to get their hands dirty.

the Federal Govt is in the business of buying votes from poorly educated consumers. We are a nation of consumers now. We SHOULD be a nation of producers who have enough money to save, and invest and live comfortably. One out of three is not good, and living comfortably may not be on the agenda for a whole lot longer either..

Is it socialism to suggest that the garbage collectors are just as important as the doctors?

stop collecting garbage for six weeks in any city in the US and you'll find out just how much more important garbage collectors are than doctors. serious illnesses will bloom all over the place like flowers in spring

somebody has to make sure the garbage is collected. that's why we need government. but the govt is exceeding it's authority in many ways

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quote:
I hope we'll get some relief under a Democratic president, but as a whole, the government nexus will continue to be skewed toward the elite.
Hey Tex, what kind of relief do you want?

I want relief too. My idea is to ship all the scumbag contingency lawyers to Cuba and stop giving my tax dollars to those that are too lazy to work.

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but it took Katrina to get people to realise just how incompetent the Bush team is...
Incompetent? What can the federal government do about a natural disaster? The people had been told to evacuate and were too stupid to do so. The mayor didn't use his fleet of busses to get people out and instead let them be flooded. The people behaved like animals, looting TVs and stereos at the first opportunity. The idiot Governor impeded the President for some time after the disaster. What was President Bush supposed to do about all that?

Should he have sent in the Marines and made the idiots evacuate at gunpoint? Should he have siezed control of the city and imprisoned the mayor so that he could use the city busses to evacuate people? Should he have installed Vice-President Cheney as Governor the day before the hurricane so that the governor would have made the right decisions? If he had done any of those things, the wackos would have REALLY been screaming. RIDICULOUS!

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
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Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Special English broadcasters read at a slower pace, about two-thirds the speed of standard English. This helps people learning English hear each word clearly. It also helps people who are fluent English speakers understand complex subjects.


so if budgee reads me his latest math papers at two thirds speed? i'll really understand it? LOL...

You give me three years of serious effort and I could have you writing them.
Beedge, for real? Either he or I could write Hemingway in the meantime :D

granted, Glassy-eyed might lean more toward your offer ;)

Yep, for real.

And you too, Tex. I have a cadre of them out there doing it quite well now. (Those submitted to the effort must be carefully selected. And, yes, there have been those that failed.....lack of the "serious effort" required.)

I add that, in the beginning of the process, the teacher has to depend on a very limited vocabulary and sometimes speak very slowly, all aimed at getting the student to become the speaker and the doer. Success breeds confidence, which turns to desire for further development.....it snowballs...and the student becomes a colleague.....a fellow and specialist in the scholarship, at least for a time, until he or she branches to queries and specialties of their own.

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"Hey Tex, what kind of relief do you want?"

For real? I'd start with the market, from enforcement of regs already on the books to a complete remodel of the DTC. Under the Bushies, we're hemorrhaging capital out of the country.

You say you're a biz guy--how about that new budget? Give you the warm fuzzies, does it?

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"trickle out" is the new economy, not trickle down.

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You say you're a biz guy--how about that new budget? Give you the warm fuzzies, does it?

No, the budget does not thrill me. I would cut all the handouts, cut all unnecessary regulation, get rid of the Education department, allow drilling in Anwar, allow a huge wind farm off Cape Cod, raise the Social Security eligibility age by 5 years, etc, etc, etc. I'd go at the budget with an axe!

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Here, read this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-budget5feb05,0,4188925.stor y

See notice my emphasis in the following excerpt:
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But independent analysts said that the administration's prediction of vanishing deficits is based on a series of overly optimistic assumptions, among them that Congress will drop its temporary relief from the alternative minimum tax. That levy, originally created to assure that millionaires paid at least some income taxes, is increasingly biting upper-middle-class Americans.
That doesn't bother you that we have to take special measures to ensure millionaires pay AT LEAST SOME income tax?

If Bush gets his way, Medicare *will* get hit, along with Education and highway and environmental infrasctructure. Meanwhile, the deficit would more than double so the rich could enjoy further tax cuts.

Good thing he's a lame duck--doubt much of that will pass...

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