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The best thing we can do for ourself and the peoples of the mideast is leave them alone.
If you want a war ok all of you right wingers lets have one see all of you down at the recruriter asap. if not then no war very simple. Oh and by the way bring your 18 yr olds with you lets make this a family affair.
And also just so we can pay for it thoes that stay home get paid no more than the lowest paid soldier. All the extra that you earn above that goes to pay for the war.And that means progfit to.
Going to war I always thought the whole country does or does not.
I swear if it worked that way we would all have a lot less of them.
Posts: 6008 | From: phoenix az | Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:The best thing we can do for ourself and the peoples of the mideast is leave them alone.
That is very naive. Evil will not leave us alone if we "leave them alone". However, I think that is a good idea. Pull all our troops out and also pull out all our aid to all these countries. Let them do for themselves. I would spend the huge savings on building an effective missle defense shield and building effective fences on our borders. Then, when they attack us even though we're minding our own business, I'd just start launching massive air strikes. That's a much better solution.
If we weren't supporting the entire world, we'd certainly have a lot more money!
Posts: 1577 | From: Ohio | Registered: Oct 2007
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We are doing nothing more than the Brits and French did in that area.
The only difference is we have a bunch of kool aide drinker that think we go all over the world and ocuppy countries for ther own good.
These kool aide drinkers are always yelling for more blood and death to save people by blowing them to kingdom come.
The only problem with them most have never had a shot fired at them.
Take the money and oil out of Iraq and we would not be there for 60 more days.
As a matter of fact if you want to talk about evil. Look no futher than us we have done just as bad and we did it for revenge waving a flag to attack a country that never did anything to us. But I suppose you think Iraq blew the twin towers up to.
You are starting to talk like a disgusting draft dogger to me.
We could pull all our troops out and put all the bush supporters over ther and they could show us how it is done.
Posts: 6008 | From: phoenix az | Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:You are starting to talk like a disgusting draft dogger to me.
I think you're a little behind the times. THERE IS NO DRAFT! At any rate, I was proudly in the military and believe that the military is doing a good job in Iraq.
quote:EVIL... it's like telling little kids about Red Riding Hood. grow up.
I know that you probably don't believe in evil - I do.
Posts: 1577 | From: Ohio | Registered: Oct 2007
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I think you're a little behind the times. THERE IS NO DRAFT! At any rate, I was proudly in the military and believe that the military is doing a good job in Iraq.
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I am assuming you were in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Posts: 3875 | From: ca. | Registered: Jul 2005
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I forgot to ask two other questions. What year were you in the military and in what units?
Posts: 3875 | From: ca. | Registered: Jul 2005
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"The point is that the liberals aren't willing to fight radical Islam because of the bloodshed, even though that is protecting our freedom".
"I think killing them is a good answer"
"Identifying them is a job for the military and intel communities."
I think you're a little behind the times. THERE IS NO DRAFT! At any rate, I was proudly in the military and believe that the military is doing a good job in Iraq."
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I don't think your that old and i am assuming that Iraq 1 or Iraq 2 are around your time of age.
You sound rather Gung Ho in your statements again just my assumption.
Your statements about killing all the Radical Islams hit me as being rather naive. Again remember i said i was rather naive about the subject.
I will agree with you, the military is doing a good job in Iraq under the circumstances. But winning? What is that? Either way(winning or losing) what is the final toll going to be? Lives, money etc.
I served in Vietnam and there are others on this board.
I found out in Vietnam that identifying all those Radical Communnists was not and easy task and that was just in Vietnam let alone the whole world.
Now if you did kill the wrong one by chance then you better hope it was a real mistake or you could find yourself in deep s.... Remember these radicals can be women, children and women with babies.
I only know the situation in Iraq by what a few people have told me and the news. It does not sound that easy to identify and kill all those Radical Islams in Iraq let alone the world.
Somehow you are under the assumption the military and the intel communities can identify these indivuals all over the world.
I worked in a LLRP team for three months in Vietnam and it was never easy to identify the enemy let alone track them. There were situations where it was easy, but not around towns and villages.
Somehow i think that may be a problem now in Iraq and the world, but it is just a guess.
I think Bond was making many points that in some ways should be true. If we go to war lets make sure its a nation wide commitment. And after it's over lets do what's necessary to keep veterans off the streets.
You made a good point.(pull back and cut aid )That is a point that has been made several times on this board in the past.
We will see what happens after the election.
Posts: 3875 | From: ca. | Registered: Jul 2005
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what i DO know is that evil is in every person. as your Bible tells you it is.
it also tells you that you must first deal with your own proclivities in order to be able to deal with others.
I've never understood why it is so hard for certain types of people to understand this.
It is said so many different ways in the bible.
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...'
'Before you try to remove the speck from your neighbors eye take the plank from your own...' (paraphrase)
Man is fallible. It is impossible for man to make himself clean. Yes, you can be forgiven, but that does not mean you are no longer fallible and therefore gives you the right to judge. That attempt by itself makes you unclean again. Judgment is GOD'S. It is not for you no matter who you are. Not even James Dobson, Pat Robertson, or Jack Van Impe are able to do that without casting sin and stones.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI acknowledged Wednesday it improperly accessed Americans' telephone records, credit reports and Internet traffic in 2006, the fourth straight year of privacy abuses resulting from investigations aimed at tracking terrorists and spies.
The breach occurred before the FBI enacted broad new reforms in March 2007 to prevent future lapses, FBI Director Robert Mueller said. And it was caused, in part, by banks, telecommunication companies and other private businesses giving the FBI more personal client data than was requested.
Testifying at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Mueller raised the issue of the FBI's controversial use of so-called national security letters in reference to an upcoming report on the topic by the Justice Department's inspector general.
An audit by the inspector general last year found the FBI demanded personal records without official authorization or otherwise collected more data than allowed in dozens of cases between 2003 and 2005. Additionally, last year's audit found that the FBI had underreported to Congress how many national security letters were requested by more than 4,600.
In contrast to the strong concerns expressed by Congress and civil liberties groups after last year's inspector general's report was issued, Mueller's disclosure drew no criticism from senators during just over two hours of testimony Wednesday.
Speaking before the FBI chief, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., urged Mueller to be more vigilant in correcting what he called "widespread illegal and improper use of national security letters."
when is Congress going to step up to the plate and hit a home run?
they aren't going to do anything....
"There has to be a better chain of command for this. You cannot just have an FBI agent who decides he'd like to obtain Americans' records, bank records or anything else and do it just because they want to."
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It is true no one should judge cause weaaare all with sin - but speaking against something is not judging - judging is for God - I can speak about unfairness, and wrong- plus we are all imperfect so we do judge -
Not to judge would not judge the murderer that killed your son or daughter -
since we are human, i rrealize I am fallibe with perfection at my root and I am not perfect in my actionsso I will say what is wrong-
I am against all those that play victim and want me to work for them - i will speaak against those that harm -
dont know if i judging but i know it is wrong -
if one cant speak against wrong - than why speak against slavery or racism or sexism? but, racism also is vice versa - it isn also blacks racism against whites - another topic-
no judgment menas no judgment - I say we asser t for fairness but let god judge damnation in hell - i will seek justice on earth but god can judge all for hell or heaven
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The House of Representatives voted Friday to back the Democratic-sponsored revisions to federal surveillance laws.
The vote was 213-197 in favor of a revision of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act bill that was supported by the Democratic leadership.
One member voted present.
The vote came after a secret session Thursday night in the House. It was the first time the House has met in secret since 1983.
The Democratic plan would allow telecommunications companies to be sued for their role in the administration's much-disputed warrantless surveillance program.
The bill now goes to the Senate, but both the Senate and President Bush have made it clear that they will not support the bill without an immunity provision.
Bush has spent weeks pressuring the House to grant retroactive legal immunity to the phone companies that took part in the program, initiated after the September 11 attacks.
Bush argues that legal protection is needed for companies to continue cooperating with the government and has vowed to veto the House Democratic proposal, which would allow the lawsuits to move forward in federal courts.
The Senate has voted to protect the phone companies from lawsuits filed by privacy advocates, who argue that the surveillance program was illegal.
The Democratic plan, however, will allow the companies to argue their cases and present classified evidence to a judge during a closed proceeding without the plaintiffs present.
quote:The Democratic plan would allow telecommunications companies to be sued for their role in the administration's much-disputed warrantless surveillance program.
...and then, after a nuke goes off in NYC, the whiney, spinless, wacko socialists will be crying that someone should have connected the dots!
Posts: 1577 | From: Ohio | Registered: Oct 2007
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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
let 'em whine.... who cares. this right was granted to US under the Constitution.
don't you find it very ODD that so-called Conservatives who cry out for a return to constitutional values are the very ones fighting to take them all away?
Corporations HAVE NO RIGHTS in the constitution. THE PEOPLE do.
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