quote:Originally posted by glassman: i'm NOT proud when Americans don't bother to VOTE. we have the worst voter turnout in the free world.
i'm even less "proud" when people lie about politicians for political gain... or politicains lie to US for whatever their reasons... (Clinton and Bush) it's always happened, always will, but i have no pride in it at all...
You are probably NOT going to be very proud of me this year then Glass...although it's not that I won't "bother" to vote...I just can't "bring myself" to vote for someone I don't believe in.
I believe that they are all FOS...
here's the problem as i see it buck.
we have a runaway govt. the politicians don't respect US citizens anymore. it's plain as day that they beleive they can do whatever they want and get away with it.
they believe they are not accountable.
my only request to EVERYBODY is that you find a way to cast a vote no matter how much yo don't like it.
the reason is simple:
numbers.
the politicians have been looking at voting turnout numbers and deciding they can "risk" doing things that are not in our best interest because they think we aren't paying attention.
even if you vote for Nader knowing your vote won't "count"? it still counts as voter who showed up. they do sit around and wonder WTF you were thinking when you "threw away" your vote....
my goal is not get to people to vote for anybody in particiaular, it is just to get people involved and try to encourage people to make informed decisions instead of voting party lines.
Everyone needs to actually go out and cast the votes that will make the politicians pay attention to voters again...
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But Glass, who the hell can we vote for that will send any message that won't be the exact same damned message we've sent every fourth year in the past? These three, now four, are the exact same candidates we've voted for or against every other time.
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Turnout among potentially eligible voters in the U.S. in presidential elections is only 50-55%. Turnout in non-presidential years is far lower. By comparison, turnout is 70-75% in Canada and well over 80% in most other democracies. Even many fragile new democracies have turnout levels far higher than ours. Higher voter turnout is an important component towards government truly representing the will of the citizens. http://www.fairvote.org/?page=262
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I think we should all be allowed to nominate and then vote for our dogs for president. Seriously I have a female 15 year old pit/lab mix that beats all four with regard to ethics, dependability, and brains. Can it really be any worse?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i'm NOT proud when Americans don't bother to VOTE. we have the worst voter turnout in the free world.
i'm even less "proud" when people lie about politicians for political gain... or politicains lie to US for whatever their reasons... (Clinton and Bush) it's always happened, always will, but i have no pride in it at all...
You are probably NOT going to be very proud of me this year then Glass...although it's not that I won't "bother" to vote...I just can't "bring myself" to vote for someone I don't believe in.
I believe that they are all FOS...
here's the problem as i see it buck.
we have a runaway govt. the politicians don't respect US citizens anymore. it's plain as day that they beleive they can do whatever they want and get away with it.
they believe they are not accountable.
my only request to EVERYBODY is that you find a way to cast a vote no matter how much yo don't like it.
the reason is simple:
numbers.
the politicians have been looking at voting turnout numbers and deciding they can "risk" doing things that are not in our best interest because they think we aren't paying attention.
even if you vote for Nader knowing your vote won't "count"? it still counts as voter who showed up. they do sit around and wonder WTF you were thinking when you "threw away" your vote....
my goal is not get to people to vote for anybody in particiaular, it is just to get people involved and try to encourage people to make informed decisions instead of voting party lines.
Everyone needs to actually go out and cast the votes that will make the politicians pay attention to voters again...
Glass...while I agree that OUR govt. is pompous and out of touch with the very citizens to whom they are "supposed" to represent... I lay far more blame on the "ignorant masses" that continue to believe in, and continue to elect, the same pompous politicians that continue to screw them over...
And the old "I voted for the lesser of 2 evils" crap has got to stop. That makes absolutely no sense at all...because you are still voting for evil.
Either vote for what you believe in...or you will fall for anything...
The PEOPLE are the true problem here....the politicians are just doing what they have always done...We just continue to let them get away with it!
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For the first time ever, I will be voting the democrat (socialist) ticket in the upcoming primary. I am so fed up with the "republican" candidate being a liberal that I can no longer vote for a republican. My hope in voting for Billary is that socialists will not take too long to completely destroy the country (there's not far to go) and then we can start fresh with a true conservative.
If the republicans can't get a conservative like me to vote for them, they have absolutely NO CHANCE in November. I'm predicting a socialist landslide!
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How in the world could anybody view the Democratic party of America as being socialist as socialism can be defined by the modern world.
The government does not own any of our major industry like some other countries.
As Marx said socialism is nothing more than government ownership of industry,class differences,and the incentive of people to operate a small business.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: For the first time ever, I will be voting the democrat (socialist) ticket in the upcoming primary. I am so fed up with the "republican" candidate being a liberal that I can no longer vote for a republican. My hope in voting for Billary is that socialists will not take too long to completely destroy the country (there's not far to go) and then we can start fresh with a true conservative.
If the republicans can't get a conservative like me to vote for them, they have absolutely NO CHANCE in November. I'm predicting a socialist landslide!
is this why? LOL...
McCain disowns radio host's anti-Obama rant
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CLEVELAND, Ohio, (AFP) — Republican White House contender John McCain Tuesday condemned remarks at a campaign rally by a right-wing radio host disparaging McCain's potential Democratic rival Barack Obama.
Warming up the McCain supporters in Cincinnati, Ohio, Bill Cunningham repeatedly used Obama's middle name, Hussein, and described the Illinois senator as a "hack" politician who could fall prey to corruption charges.
McCain said he was not present in the hall during Cunningham's tirade and said he had never met the talk-show host, who also attacked Democratic hopeful Hillary Clinton.
"A comment disparaging of Senator Clinton or Senator Obama is totally inappropriate. I have never done that in any of my campaigns," the Arizona senator told reporters after the rally.
"And I absolutely repudiate such comments and, again, I will take responsibility," he said, describing the two Democrats as "honorable Americans."
"It will never happen again."
Obama spokesman Bill Burton welcomed McCain's disavowal of Cunningham.
"It is a sign that if there is a McCain-Obama general election, it can be intensely competitive but the candidates will attempt to keep it respectful and focused on issues," he said.
In November, McCain was criticized for chuckling when a voter in South Carolina called Clinton a "*****."
"What?...Hussein is his middle name. If you relate that to terrorism or extremism, that's your thing and has nothing to do with me. I was just saying his middle name."
YA RIGHT...
Besides, the name Hussein is renown through Saddam who didn't like America but he was neither a terrorist nor an extremist.
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quote:How in the world could anybody view the Democratic party of America as being socialist as socialism can be defined by the modern world.
The government does not own any of our major industry like some other countries.
You're kidding, right? The socialists on the left are for universal health care and government seizure of profits from businesses that they feel are making too much money. BIG GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES is exactly what the democrats (socialists) want. Remember what Billary said: "it takes a village"...
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Health care wouldn't be such a problem IF the fix hadn't gone in with insurance companies. Sure, we all know hospitals that charge a buck for a Kleenex--but look at the insurance companies that ROUTINELY deny everything the first time it's filed, then nickel and dime you to death after that... that is, IF someone, somewhere, sometime decides to resubmit in the "code" language that is required.
What a laugh this is:
quote:BIG GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES is exactly what the democrats (socialists) want.
You mean like no warrants, no due process, "omni-tapping," or do you mean gasoline-price everyday-worker crushing policies... or do you mean Hell-sledding the country from a nice surplus to a Faustian deficit?
and, YES! Village enlightenment is MUCH better than empire-centric... Good Lord--even empire-centric is better than what Bush has been doing...is like the "corporate raiders" era, except he's selling off chunks of the country--not just a company.
(Not downplaying the companies that got F'd, btw)
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They were talking $4 by summer about 6 months ago! I heard his speech while I was working today on XM radio. He said something about "putting money on the table" at one point. I never heard that one, maybe putting food on the table, or bringing money to the table...
Also heard, and I expect we all will pretty soon, about Nancy going after him and some of his Boyz very soon.
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quote:and, YES! Village enlightenment is MUCH better than empire-centric...
Village enlightenment - yes, that sounds like socialism to me!!!
My idea is for the government to get the heck out of our way; get rid of every unnecessary regulation; ban all the slimy, scumbag lawyers; and let the free market work.
quote:And who might this true conservative be?
I don't know, I haven't seen one in a while (except while shaving). Got any ideas? What I do know is that I'm sick and tired of having these mamby pamby liberals in the republican party pretending to be conservatives. That's why I'm voting for Billary Tuesday.
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Subject: FW: CLEVER COLLEGE STUDENT Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:04:53 -0400 From: Dan.Buchsbaum*TradeWeb.com
Students were assigned to read 2 books, "Titanic" & "My Life" by Bill Clinton. One smart-ass student turned in the following book report, with the proposition that they were nearly identical stories! His professor gave him an A+ for this report:
Titanic:..... $29.99 Clinton :..... $29.99 Titanic:..... Over 3 hours to read Clinton :..... Over 3 hours to read Titanic:..... The story of Jack and Rose, their forbidden love, and subsequent catastrophe. Clinton :..... The story of Bill and Monica, their forbidden love, and subsequent catastrophe. Titanic:..... Jack is a starving artist. Clinton :..... Bill is a bull**** artist. Titanic:..... In one scene, Jack enjoys a good cigar. Clinton :..... Ditto for Bill . Titanic:..... During the ordeal, Rose's dress gets ruined. Clinton :..... Ditto for Monica. Titanic:..... Jack teaches Rose to spit. Clinton :..... Let's not go there. Titanic:..... Rose gets to keep her jewelry. Clinton :.....Monica' s forced to return her gifts. Titanic:..... Rose remembers Jack for the rest of her life. Clinton :..... Clinton doesn't remember Jack. Titanic:..... Rose goes down on a vessel full of seamen. Clinton :..... Monica...ooh, let's not go there, either. Titanic:..... Jack surrenders to an icy death. Clinton :..... Bill goes home to Hilary - basically the same thing.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Can someone tell me 5 GOOD reasons why she should even have a chance? I mean...I personally do not like her and think she is more of a liar than everyone else. She shuns questions about her healthcare plan and how she would punish those who didnt sign up for her mandatory plan.
under her plan would you even get to pick your own doctor? why is she so anti-gun? now im not trying to slam her and say the other side is so swell either. just wondering...what HAS she done good that positively effects me? what could i see today?
whats with digging in her own purse for 5 mil? did she run out of money? she must have to have needed to do that. bill? 100mil bill? i heard that is what he has mad so far by talking to people. thats kinda ridiculous to me...hey...pay me 1,000 dollars a plate so you can sit down and listen to me talk about myself.
i know there are some hillary fans out there so what is your opinion on this.
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