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Can someone tell me 5 GOOD reasons why she should even have a chance? I mean...I personally do not like her and think she is more of a liar than everyone else. She shuns questions about her healthcare plan and how she would punish those who didnt sign up for her mandatory plan.

under her plan would you even get to pick your own doctor? why is she so anti-gun? now im not trying to slam her and say the other side is so swell either. just wondering...what HAS she done good that positively effects me? what could i see today?


whats with digging in her own purse for 5 mil? did she run out of money? she must have to have needed to do that. bill? 100mil bill? i heard that is what he has mad so far by talking to people. thats kinda ridiculous to me...hey...pay me 1,000 dollars a plate so you can sit down and listen to me talk about myself.

i know there are some hillary fans out there so what is your opinion on this.

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Who, other than those that have been trained to hate everything Clinton has said she is anti-gun? Her own statements do not even allow such a consideration and she, in direct answer to a question has stated that she will not try to limit guns.

I am not suggestion that you need to "like her", but I think passing on falsehoods concocted to bring fear and hate is inappropriate.

Clinton would not be my choice, but I will not vote for the liars party, so, if she gains the democratic nomination, I will vote for her. It is not a question of what whoever gets the democratic nomination has done for me, but what the republican party has done to my Country and its Constitution.

Perhaps you should furnish 5 good and provable lies she is guilty of telling, any one of which amounts to even a smidgen of a single one of the ones among the mass of lies the republicans have bathed us in over the last few years? (That was "provable", not rumored by the republican hate machine.)

Now, make sure you get it through your head, I AM NOT A HILLARY FAN. I am a fan of decency and honor in the political functions of the Nation and there is NO republican that shows any interest in truth and honor, just the Party (and that includes the likes of McCain and Paul, so don't start). Instead republicans have and will continue to operate as Party before Country as they have for years.

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You are a fan of decency?
I guess I can go along with that.
But aligning that notion with either party?
Come now...
Decency has nothing to do with either party as they are two masks on the same face.

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Of course I align the lack of decency with the republican party. How could anything even possibly starting a war based purely on lies and fictions be anything but indecent? And that is just one issue.

The Party is and has been repeatedly indecent and will again until it is severely punished for being the party of hate and deception and placing Party loyalty before truth and the Constitution.

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actually? McCain has a track record of decency budge.

thing is? he seems so narrowly focused on winning a war that he might just kill everybody to do it...

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as for Hillary not being anti-gun?

i've provided several pages of BS for you to peruse already but you've forgotten quicker than you read it.
and don't tell me what she said she'll do or won't do.

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And just what has any recent war been started over?
Tell me Milosivic was a mass murderer.
Or he just didn't want to go along with the plan.
Tell me your blinders are still on.
Dear god, man have you no idea what world you live on?
Have you no clue as to your captor's desires?
Who gives a rat's azz what party wins.
Who cares what platform they run upon.
It will make no difference in the bonds that bind you or I.
Do you honestly believe destiny redirects with every moron elected?

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Glass, it does seem we disagree most during election years.
This would seem to be no exception.
McCain is a moron.
Has been, is, will be, for the forseeable future.
He's a plan "B" for the powers that be.

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LOL. McCain won't win unless he runs against Hillary. people are fed up.

McCain is hated by the social conservatives. they are literally frothing at the mouth about him.

Moron is about right.

Anne Coulter says she'll vote for Hillary before him. that's pretty decent [Big Grin]

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It's all a setup.
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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
It's all a setup.

that has occurred to me.

but McCain is the one that uncovered most of the Abramoff stuff, that did lead to Tom Delay leaving office and hte GOP losing quite a few seats...

it was not the only thing, but it was important.

i do beleive that both McCain and Romney have spent too much time saying we're at war.


it's the only thing left on their minds it seems...

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Minds?
Scripts.
Both sides.
How eager we are to buy into a distraction.

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Bdgee im just trying to get a UNBIASED fact finding mission completed with this...that is all. I just dont know much about her other than seeing bill all over the place on her behalf.


Where is the best place to go look for someones voting record? That should sum it all up for me instantly right there without controversy.
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Originally posted by bdgee:
Who, other than those that have been trained to hate everything Clinton has said she is anti-gun? Her own statements do not even allow such a consideration and she, in direct answer to a question has stated that she will not try to limit guns.

I am not suggestion that you need to "like her", but I think passing on falsehoods concocted to bring fear and hate is inappropriate.

Clinton would not be my choice, but I will not vote for the liars party, so, if she gains the democratic nomination, I will vote for her. It is not a question of what whoever gets the democratic nomination has done for me, but what the republican party has done to my Country and its Constitution.

Perhaps you should furnish 5 good and provable lies she is guilty of telling, any one of which amounts to even a smidgen of a single one of the ones among the mass of lies the republicans have bathed us in over the last few years? (That was "provable", not rumored by the republican hate machine.)

Now, make sure you get it through your head, I AM NOT A HILLARY FAN. I am a fan of decency and honor in the political functions of the Nation and there is NO republican that shows any interest in truth and honor, just the Party (and that includes the likes of McCain and Paul, so don't start). Instead republicans have and will continue to operate as Party before Country as they have for years.



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CCM,

try this and report back, if you will:

http://www.votesmart.org/

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Well to begin, she has to be smart getting her JD from Yale. Only way bush got through that was his father. If you check out her personal experience it is very impressive.


Well she voted AGAINST partial birth abortion, I dont like that its pretty gross in my opinion.

she voted AGAINST denying illegal immigrants legal status if convicted of certain crimes. anyone else find that bad?


she didnt vote for an iraq withdrawl amendment in december 07


she voted for the homeland security act...which i dont blame her because she kind of had to. however its the biggest waste of money i think because how many federal agencies are out there already that could just beef up what they were doing already?


OH I REALLY DIDNT LIKE THIS ONE:


Key Vote

Firearm Confiscation Prohibition Amendment


Bill Number: HR 5441
Issue: Gun Issues
Date: 07/13/2006
Sponsor:Amendment: Sen Vitter, David [LA]; Original Bill: Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5]


Roll Call Number: 202
Amendment Adopted (Senate)
How members voted



Read statements made in this general time period.

Official Title of Legislation:

S Amdt 4615 to HR 5441: To prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law.



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guns protected people from looters and criminals in katrina! cmon now!


Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill


Bill Number: S 397
Issue: Gun Issues
Date: 07/29/2005
Sponsor:Sen Craig, Larry E. [ID]


Roll Call Number: 219
Bill Passed (Senate)
How members voted



Read statements made in this general time period.

Official Title of Legislation:

S 397: A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote to pass a bill that provides liability protection for manufacturers, dealers or importers of firearms or ammunition products, as well as their trade associations, for harm caused by criminal or unlawful misuse.


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how are you going to sue ruger for a gang member shooting a rival gang member over a crack sale?


wow there are so many bills i just threw a few otu there. not saying everything she did was off...because i can see she voted for the right issues and no for some bad things. there is so much info to take in...im going to check out other candidates

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Bla bla bla
wretched whore bla bla bal
wretched whore

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one thing is for certain on the democrat side....look at hillarys attendance for voting then go look at obama.....he didnt vote for a large number of issues, as opposed to hillary.

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CCM. you'll find that Hillary and Bill are both very intelligent and efficient people.

they get the job done. they hire bright people like themselves that get the job done,

the problem is that they think their brightness makes their opinions more important than others..

how Bush justifies the same attitude i have no idea.... [Big Grin]

i just don't agree with alot of their opinions or their plans.

i also find that they lie alot. a whole lot.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
CCM. you'll find that Hillary and Bill are both very intelligent and efficient people.

they get the job done. they hire bright people like themselves that get the job done,

the problem is that they think their brightness makes their opinions more important than others..

how Bush justifies the same attitude i have no idea.... [Big Grin]

i just don't agree with alot of their opinions or their plans.

i also find that they lie alot. a whole lot.

Apparently he's right about Obama voting "present" an inordinate amount of times, though.

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Tex thanks for that link it is PERFECT...now I can analyze EVERYTHING IN TRUTH! No media hype now...in fact I like this site so much I posted a bulletin about it on Myspace to all my friends and hope it gets circulated all over the nation through all my contacts which it should. I learned a lot of new things today...and yes even though I have always thought of Hillary as evil she is very smart...and more qualified than Obama when you look at political experience.


how the hell did bush get into office i dont get that...he is such a moron compared to these credentials!


oh wait a min I just saw something kinda scary...check this out when I tried to look at mccain on where he stands on voting issues:


"Senator John Sidney McCain III repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues through the 2008 Political Courage Test when asked to do so by national leaders of the political parties, prominent members of the media, Project Vote Smart President Richard Kimball, and Project Vote Smart Vote Smart staff. "


http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=53270


why would he do that if he stands firm in his beliefs? I will have to see what others did too

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lol... good. Glad you liked it.

Scit 'em!

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
as for Hillary not being anti-gun?

i've provided several pages of BS for you to peruse already but you've forgotten quicker than you read it.
and don't tell me what she said she'll do or won't do.

You provided absolutely nothing plausible or credible, which is the same sad tale of being a republican for several decades now.
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Beedge,

what do you think of that site I linked for CCM?

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Looks like a fun site, Tex.

But I must warn you, trying to interpret legislative actions and votes as an indication of a legislators intent or philosophy is not so simple. Most floor votes are a matter of pushing or opposing some amendment added to cloud the issues and a vote that is recorded as pro or con may actually be an effort to destroy an attempt via amendment by some other legislator to undermine the stated purpose or function of a bill, thus controlling the end result. Often in the digestion of legislation, the initial presenter of a bill will be recorded as voting against it, which he or she found necessary to do in order to prevent some terribly distasteful thing that had absolutely nothing to do with the intent of the bill from being forced into law.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Looks like a fun site, Tex.

But I must warn you, trying to interpret legislative actions and votes as an indication of a legislators intent or philosophy is not so simple. Most floor votes are a matter of pushing or opposing some amendment added to cloud the issues and a vote that is recorded as pro or con may actually be an effort to destroy an attempt via amendment by some other legislator to undermine the stated purpose or function of a bill, thus controlling the end result. Often in the digestion of legislation, the initial presenter of a bill will be recorded as voting against it, which he or she found necessary to do in order to prevent some terribly distasteful thing that had absolutely nothing to do with the intent of the bill from being forced into law.

so what's your alternative, better site?

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
as for Hillary not being anti-gun?

i've provided several pages of BS for you to peruse already but you've forgotten quicker than you read it.
and don't tell me what she said she'll do or won't do.

You provided absolutely nothing plausible or credible, which is the same sad tale of being a republican for several decades now.
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Hillary’s Lies

Media Monitor | By Reed Irvine | June 19, 2003

“We both knew there would be hell to pay if . . . we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the First Lady’s wishes.”

Hillary Clinton's book is titled "Living History," but a quick scan suggests that "Hillary's Lies" would be more appropriate. For example, Hillary was deeply involved in the abrupt dismissal of the entire staff of the White House travel office in May 1993. She says in her book she was stuck with the consequences of an off-hand comment she had made about mismanagement and waste in the travel office. She says that after an audit found the records "were in shambles" Mack McLarty and the Counsel's office decided to fire the staff.

Billy Dale, the veteran head of the office, says there was a review, not an audit. He said he was unable to find some of the records Peat Marwick accountants sought because Catherine Cornelius, who was said to be a relative of Bill Clinton's, had been installed in the office for several weeks and had taken some of the records home. Hillary doesn't mention that they planned to have her take charge of the operation with the expectation that she would steer the travel business to a firm in which their close friend Harry Thomasson had an interest.

David Watkins, the assistant to the president for management and administration, was slow to execute Hillary's wishes. In a memo for the record, Watkins said he told Mack McLarty that "Hillary had conveyed in clear terms her desire for swift and clear action to resolve the situation." The memo says, "We both knew there would be hell to pay if...we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the First Lady's wishes." The travel office staff was promptly fired and removed from the White House grounds.

Bill Kennedy, one of Hillary's Rose Law Firm partners who was on the staff of the White House counsel, asked the FBI to investigate Billy Dale to find evidence of embezzlement. They found none, but Dale and his family suffered immensely thanks to the FBI and the IRS. Neither agency came up with any evidence that Dale had embezzled or had taxable income that he failed to report.

Hillary says the Justice Department found enough evidence to indict and try Dale for embezzlement. Dale, confronted with legal bills that he could not afford, offered to plead guilty and accept a light sentence, but he said that he would not give up all that he had worked for. He said he would go to jail for three months, but he would not admit stealing any money. He was willing to make that plea in court, but he said he would go out on the courthouse steps and tell the press that he said that to save his home for his family.

His lawyer told him that would only get him more jail time. His plea bargain was offered to the Justice Department, but it was rejected and the case went to trial. With the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing and with Dennis Sculimbrene, an FBI agent who had been assigned to the White House testifying for him, it took the jury only twenty minutes to find Billy Dale not guilty. Independent Counsel Robert Ray questioned Hillary about her role in this case. He reported that her testimony was "factually false," but he declined to prosecute her because, he said, there was insufficient evidence to get any jury to convict her.

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quote:
Originally posted by ohio_trader:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
as for Hillary not being anti-gun?

i've provided several pages of BS for you to peruse already but you've forgotten quicker than you read it.
and don't tell me what she said she'll do or won't do.

You provided absolutely nothing plausible or credible, which is the same sad tale of being a republican for several decades now.
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Hillary’s Lies

Media Monitor | By Reed Irvine | June 19, 2003

“We both knew there would be hell to pay if . . . we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the First Lady’s wishes.”

Hillary Clinton's book is titled "Living History," but a quick scan suggests that "Hillary's Lies" would be more appropriate. For example, Hillary was deeply involved in the abrupt dismissal of the entire staff of the White House travel office in May 1993. She says in her book she was stuck with the consequences of an off-hand comment she had made about mismanagement and waste in the travel office. She says that after an audit found the records "were in shambles" Mack McLarty and the Counsel's office decided to fire the staff.

Billy Dale, the veteran head of the office, says there was a review, not an audit. He said he was unable to find some of the records Peat Marwick accountants sought because Catherine Cornelius, who was said to be a relative of Bill Clinton's, had been installed in the office for several weeks and had taken some of the records home. Hillary doesn't mention that they planned to have her take charge of the operation with the expectation that she would steer the travel business to a firm in which their close friend Harry Thomasson had an interest.

David Watkins, the assistant to the president for management and administration, was slow to execute Hillary's wishes. In a memo for the record, Watkins said he told Mack McLarty that "Hillary had conveyed in clear terms her desire for swift and clear action to resolve the situation." The memo says, "We both knew there would be hell to pay if...we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the First Lady's wishes." The travel office staff was promptly fired and removed from the White House grounds.

Bill Kennedy, one of Hillary's Rose Law Firm partners who was on the staff of the White House counsel, asked the FBI to investigate Billy Dale to find evidence of embezzlement. They found none, but Dale and his family suffered immensely thanks to the FBI and the IRS. Neither agency came up with any evidence that Dale had embezzled or had taxable income that he failed to report.

Hillary says the Justice Department found enough evidence to indict and try Dale for embezzlement. Dale, confronted with legal bills that he could not afford, offered to plead guilty and accept a light sentence, but he said that he would not give up all that he had worked for. He said he would go to jail for three months, but he would not admit stealing any money. He was willing to make that plea in court, but he said he would go out on the courthouse steps and tell the press that he said that to save his home for his family.

His lawyer told him that would only get him more jail time. His plea bargain was offered to the Justice Department, but it was rejected and the case went to trial. With the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing and with Dennis Sculimbrene, an FBI agent who had been assigned to the White House testifying for him, it took the jury only twenty minutes to find Billy Dale not guilty. Independent Counsel Robert Ray questioned Hillary about her role in this case. He reported that her testimony was "factually false," but he declined to prosecute her because, he said, there was insufficient evidence to get any jury to convict her.

not a good post...

not saying you're wrong, but you should make it easy for folks to get your point.

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I understood his point quite easily Tex...Hillary is a LIAR..
Does that sum it up ohio?

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maybe it's just me, buck...

i tried to read that post and my eyes went crossed...

will try again tomorrow if you're saying it made sense to you

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:

Clinton would not be my choice, but I will not vote for the liars party, so, if she gains the democratic nomination, I will vote for her.


That's the problem with US...WE have nothing but lying, deceitful, candidates to vote for....and WE continue to put lying, deceitful politicians in office...

End result, nothing changes for US and WE continue to bicker back and forth about how this party or that party has lied to, and deceived US...

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Looks like a fun site, Tex.

But I must warn you, trying to interpret legislative actions and votes as an indication of a legislators intent or philosophy is not so simple. Most floor votes are a matter of pushing or opposing some amendment added to cloud the issues and a vote that is recorded as pro or con may actually be an effort to destroy an attempt via amendment by some other legislator to undermine the stated purpose or function of a bill, thus controlling the end result. Often in the digestion of legislation, the initial presenter of a bill will be recorded as voting against it, which he or she found necessary to do in order to prevent some terribly distasteful thing that had absolutely nothing to do with the intent of the bill from being forced into law.

so what's your alternative, better site?
It isn't that I know of a suitable alternative (and it isn't that I believe some alternative is either required or feasible).

Evaluating the worth or proper function of a legislator probable cannot be quantized. Attempting to do so is like trying to evaluate in some numerical fashion (or once and for all) whether a Cocker Spaniel is a better pet than a Great Dane.

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Originally posted by glassman:
as for Hillary not being anti-gun?

i've provided several pages of BS for you to peruse already but you've forgotten quicker than you read it.
and don't tell me what she said she'll do or won't do.

You provided absolutely nothing plausible or credible, which is the same sad tale of being a republican for several decades now.
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Hillary’s Lies

Media Monitor | By Reed Irvine | June 19, 2003

“We both knew there would be hell to pay if . . . we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the First Lady’s wishes.”

Hillary Clinton's book is titled "Living History," but a quick scan suggests that "Hillary's Lies" would be more appropriate. For example, Hillary was deeply involved in the abrupt dismissal of the entire staff of the White House travel office in May 1993. She says in her book she was stuck with the consequences of an off-hand comment she had made about mismanagement and waste in the travel office. She says that after an audit found the records "were in shambles" Mack McLarty and the Counsel's office decided to fire the staff.

Billy Dale, the veteran head of the office, says there was a review, not an audit. He said he was unable to find some of the records Peat Marwick accountants sought because Catherine Cornelius, who was said to be a relative of Bill Clinton's, had been installed in the office for several weeks and had taken some of the records home. Hillary doesn't mention that they planned to have her take charge of the operation with the expectation that she would steer the travel business to a firm in which their close friend Harry Thomasson had an interest.

David Watkins, the assistant to the president for management and administration, was slow to execute Hillary's wishes. In a memo for the record, Watkins said he told Mack McLarty that "Hillary had conveyed in clear terms her desire for swift and clear action to resolve the situation." The memo says, "We both knew there would be hell to pay if...we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the First Lady's wishes." The travel office staff was promptly fired and removed from the White House grounds.

Bill Kennedy, one of Hillary's Rose Law Firm partners who was on the staff of the White House counsel, asked the FBI to investigate Billy Dale to find evidence of embezzlement. They found none, but Dale and his family suffered immensely thanks to the FBI and the IRS. Neither agency came up with any evidence that Dale had embezzled or had taxable income that he failed to report.

Hillary says the Justice Department found enough evidence to indict and try Dale for embezzlement. Dale, confronted with legal bills that he could not afford, offered to plead guilty and accept a light sentence, but he said that he would not give up all that he had worked for. He said he would go to jail for three months, but he would not admit stealing any money. He was willing to make that plea in court, but he said he would go out on the courthouse steps and tell the press that he said that to save his home for his family.

His lawyer told him that would only get him more jail time. His plea bargain was offered to the Justice Department, but it was rejected and the case went to trial. With the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing and with Dennis Sculimbrene, an FBI agent who had been assigned to the White House testifying for him, it took the jury only twenty minutes to find Billy Dale not guilty. Independent Counsel Robert Ray questioned Hillary about her role in this case. He reported that her testimony was "factually false," but he declined to prosecute her because, he said, there was insufficient evidence to get any jury to convict her.

PURE BULL S--T and nothing more!

I said provable, not popular lies from the right-wing extremist conspiracy fabrications and hate files.

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actually budge, that's not pure BS and if you listen to Hillary's speeches she wears her take no prisoners attitude like a badge of courage.

it is much the same attitude Bush has. the main difference being that Bush is not as "clever" by far as either of the Clintons.

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Sorry, glass..., but it is PURE BS.
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The White House travel office controversy, often referred to as Travelgate,[1] was the first major scandal of the Clinton administration. It began in May 1993, when seven longtime employees of the White House Travel Office were fired, after a brief investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The White House said the action was due to financial improprieties in the office operation. Critics said the actions were done to allow friends of the Clintons to take over the travel business and that the involvement of the FBI was unwarranted. Heavy media attention forced the White House to reinstate most of the employees in other jobs and remove the Clinton associates from the travel role.

Investigations by the FBI and the Justice Department, the White House itself, the General Accounting Office, the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, and the Whitewater Independent Counsel all took place over the subsequent years. Travel Office Director Billy Dale was charged with embezzlement but found not guilty at trial in 1995. First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton gradually came under scrutiny for allegedly having played a central role in the firings and making false statements about her role in it.

In 1998 Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr exonerated President Bill Clinton of any involvement in the matter. In 2000 Independent Counsel Robert Ray issued his final report on Travelgate, stating that Hillary Clinton had made factually false statements but saying there was insufficient evidence to prosecute her.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_travel_office_controversy

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