quote:Bush says he's created plenty of jobs so it must be somebodies fault we have poor people...
I'm not sure that we really have any poor people in the United States. Do we have people that are homeless? Yes. Are they homeless because they aren't getting government assistance? No. They are homeless because they CHOOSE to spend their money on drugs and alcohol. In addition, many of these people are mentally ill and should be institutionalized.
I often wonder, if we raised the minimum wage to $20 per hour, would these people still be considered in poverty because they are still the lowest paid people in the country? By almost any standard, our "poor" are NOT in poverty.
quote:if you guys would stop providing slums for peopl to live in? they wouldn't live in 'em? LOL...
I don't provide slums, but I do buy them and convert them to quality housing. Of course, that is probably "mean" because I am taking housing away from criminals, drug addicts, and deadbeats.
quote:The city had already fined the previous owner of the building repeatedly for having a lot of police calls to this address.
interesting. i wonder why the ACLU isn't defending you guys for being persecuted.
Because they are too busy defending all the criminals, druggies, and deadbeats!
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I'm not sure that we really have any poor people in the United States.
LOL... you must be confiscating your tennants smoke and using it yourself...
I don't provide slums, but I do buy them and convert them to quality housing. Of course, that is probably "mean" because I am taking housing away from criminals, drug addicts, and deadbeats.
once again? i ask you point blank why you accept section 8 moneys if it chaps your ass so much..
bottom line? if you are renting to section 8 people then you are involved in the problem up to your neck. you are NOT part of the solution.
i say this as an EX-landlord, an EXreal estate agent (licensed) and an EX repo man (licensed and bonded)...
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quote:I'm not sure that we really have any poor people in the United States.
LOL... you must be confiscating your tennants smoke and using it yourself...
C'mon Glass, you're not going to pull a bdgee on me, are you? You conveniently left out my point. Is someone who is getting government assistance but spending it on crack really poor? Is someone living in Section 8 housing with a big screen tv with cable, plenty of food, and a cellphone really poor? Where would YOU draw the line at "poor"?
quote:once again? i ask you point balnk why you accept section 8 moneys if it chaps your ass so much..
FOR THE MONEY! Accepting Section 8 helps fill up the rentsls. It's that simple - it's all about the money. (I've gotta eat, you know).
quote:bottom line? if you are renting to sectiuon 8 people then you are involved in the problem up to your neck. you are NOT part of the solution.
Tell me what the solution is and I'm on board. My refusing to accept Section 8 would not change anything (except leave a few Section 8 tenants without housing and leave me with a few less dollars). How is that part of the solution?
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Is someone who is getting government assistance but spending it on crack really poor? Is someone living in Section 8 housing with a big screen tv with cable, plenty of food, and a cellphone really poor? Where would YOU draw the line at "poor"?
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[quote}...i realised how bad it was screwing up my Karma to legally steal cars. i loved that work. never a dull momnet.[/quote]
It is certainly NOT stealing when you are returning property to the owner after a deadbeat doesn't pay his bill! I don't believe in KARMA!
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Is someone who is getting government assistance but spending it on crack really poor? Is someone living in Section 8 housing with a big screen tv with cable, plenty of food, and a cellphone really poor? Where would YOU draw the line at "poor"?
even a multimillionaire that is addicted to crack is living in abject poverty.
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it's interesting what i find under city nuisance boards in general prop man;
The Raleigh City Code as well as North Carolina state statutes set out the procedures used to control and remove dangers to the public health. Fines are imposed against owners of property who allow these health and safety nuisances to exist on their property. Public nuisances include but are not limited to areas that serve as breeding grounds for mosquitoes, rats and other pests; heavy dense growth of grasses or weeds over 8 inches tall; any place of growth of poison sumac, poison ivy, poison oak or other noxious vegetation; and abandoned and nuisance vehicles. Under an ordinance approved by the council last summer, a property owner who abates a nuisance when notified of its existence by the City does not have to the pay a $100 administrative fee unless that owner has had a nuisance code violation within the preceding 24 months. Repeat violators must pay the administrative fee plus a minimum $250 civil penalty assessed by the City.
The City Council's Law and Public Safety Committee recommended the changes to the public nuisance ordinance that the council approved on May 16. The committee also is reviewing Raleigh's probationary rental occupancy permit (PROP) ordinance for possible additional changes that would be considered by the full council. Under the PROP ordinance, a landlord must obtain a probationary rental occupancy permit if he or she has violated unsafe building, minimum housing, zoning or nuisance ordinances at a rental site and has failed to bring the property into compliance by a City-established deadline. Contact: Robert Spruill, 919/807-5180.
If that link won't work, I'll find another one. There are a bunch of cities that have these ordinances. As I said earlier, it's aimed at forcing the landlord to get rid of "undesireables". Scroll down to section 761, that's the nuisance ordinance where they fine (charge an "excess service fee") to the landlord if the police are called to deal with undesireables. You'll note that the police don't even have to make an arrest (let alone there be a conviction) to identify something as an incident.
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interesting. i see in the topics that they cover alotof stuff like you mentioned:
CMC Chapter 910-7 - Loud noises CMC Chapter 910-21 – Loitering with the intention of committing unlawful drug transaction CMC Chapter 910-23 – Possession of marijuana CMC Chapter 911-27 – Curfew for minors CMC Chapter 1213-7 – Unauthorized possession, sale or discharge ORC 2907.21 - 25 – Prostitution and related offenses ORC 2909.04 – Disrupting public services ORC 2915.04 – Public gaming ORC 2917.11 – Disorderly conduct ORC 2917.32 – Making false alarms ORC Chapter 2925 – Drug Offenses ORC 3743.65 – Unauthorized possession, sale or discharge of fireworks
dang, you all aren't allowed to have any fun there
seriously? that's why i live in the country whenever i can anymore...
it's been a culture shock to go from the Dismal Swamp to Riverside Ca. (just as bad as Cinci) and then to Miss.
it's about quality of life to me.. i'd rather be OK financially then to be rich living in a dumpster.
check out Habitat 4 Humanity. they are a good organisation. maybe a little too "liberal" for your taste (at first), it will reward you in ways you don't expect, but it'll reward you well.
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What's particularly bad about these ordinances, is that the city can force the landlord to get rid of a bunch of questionable tenants even though some of these tenants haven't done anything wrong. Not even one person must be arrested for the property to be declared a nuisance. Since the landlord can be fined for each additional incident, the landlord is essentially forced to evict every tenant that could even potentially become a problem.
The cities call the fine a "fee" so that this is not a criminal case and therefore the landlord does not (and in reality the "undesireable" tenants) get due process. I think the whole thing is unconstitutional, but we won't know until there's a test case.
As you noted, they consider just about anything a nuisance, including disorderly conduct and all that is needed is an accusation (not an arrest or conviction). This is nothing more than an attempt to rid the cities of the undesireable: druggies, homeless, vagrants, etc, and this is the government doing it! The law is set up so that the landlord gets to do the dirty work, since the government and police don't want to do the job.
Where's the outrage? What about it bdgee?
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Outrageous enough for me...some merchants have fought back. Dallas comes to mind, but don't know whether they made any progress. ACLU should be enlisted. Due process is crucial...
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they confiscate money and cars from people without it all the time now...
i don't question that it's usually fruit of ill-gotten gains, but they don't have to prove it any more, they make you prove it isn't...
this bill before the House right now will immunize the communications companies from law suits for violating your rights when they agreed to help the government illegally eavesdrop on US.
the way i heard Bush talk about it today? it's even Ex-post facto-- that means it is a retro-active law. of course Bush mispeaks all the time so maybe he's not meaning to say it protects the telecomms that HELPED the government violate our civil rights...
nope, here it is: Senate Authorizes Broad Expansion Of Surveillance Act
By Paul Kane Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, February 13, 2008; Page A01
The Senate yesterday approved a sweeping measure that would expand the government's clandestine surveillance powers, delivering a key victory to the White House by approving immunity from lawsuits for telecommunications companies that cooperated with intelligence agencies in domestic spying after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
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At least you guy's in Texas have important stuff being voted on. Makes the news even in Ca.
"Texas Ban on Sex Toy Sales Is Overturned" FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) -- A federal appeals court has overturned a statute outlawing sex toy sales in Texas, one of the last states - all in the South - to retain such a ban....
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by azrob36_... Member since: 12 Februari 2008 Total points: 117 (Level 1) • Add to My Contacts • Block User Best Answer - Chosen by Asker Yes, Barack Hussein Obama recites the Pledge of Allegiance however, he doesn't place his hand on his heart when he does so and will not stand during the National Anthem.. When he was sworn in as a US Senator from Illinois, he requested that a Quoran be used instead of a Bible. Permission was granted. Please remember that he was taken to Indonesia from Hawaii where he was born when he was 6 years old. His step father was a radical Muslim and enrolled him in a "Whahabi" school in Jakarta. Whahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the present extremist Muslim terrorists. He returned to the U.S. prior to his 18th birthday and later joined the United Church of Christ where he is a member today. • 2 days ago Source(s): William H. Shay, Human Resources Yale University
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The media would have everyone vote for the dems imo. When the republican party does something the media buries it. just from what I've noticed.
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By Angie Drobnic Holan Published on Thursday, December 20th, 2007 at 01:23 p.m.
SUMMARY: An anonymous e-mail claims Barack Obama is a Muslim, attended a madrassa as a boy and took the oath of office on a Koran. The Truth-O-Meter says wrong, wrong and wrong.
In December 2007, the Hillary Clinton campaign asked for the resignations of volunteers who forwarded a chain e-mail falsely saying that Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim. Those firings are just the latest reverberations from a relentless e-mail that has piled up in in-boxes for at least a year.
boo, my recollection is that a guy from Minnesota used both the Koran and the Bible to be sworn into the US Congress,
i don't have time to look it up right now, but Obama is no the one...
Obama doesn't make me nervous at all. in fact? he may be able to fix the terror problems in the mideast simply by being our president, and not doing much else. it will send a message to the world that we aren't all about reviving the crusades. there's plenty of Muslims that beleive we are(whether we are or not)
i think he'll make some things in this country better, and some things worse. but he represents real change IMO. i would prefer Bloomberg or Ron Paul becuase they are both much more realistic people but obviously i won't get to vote for them.
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Ellison's Oath On Koran Roils Conservatives by: Abdi Aynte Thu Nov 30, 2006 at 11:36:44 AM
Before he became the nation's first Muslim elected to Congress, Democrat Keith Ellison was called "unfit" for Congress by his Republican opponent. And that was just the beginning.
Ellison is setting yet another precedent in January when he takes the oath of office on the Koran, Islam's holiest book, an event that evoked conservatives to accuse him of deviating his allegiance from the Constitution to Allah.
On Tuesday, conservative radio talk show host and columnist Dennis Prager wrote: "America is interested in only one book, the Bible." Directly addressing Ellison, he added "If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress."
Ellison said that he's not changing his mind about the sacred text he's swearing on.
"The Constitution guarantees for everyone to take the oath of office on whichever book they prefer," he said in a telephone interview. "And that's what the freedom of religion is all about."
more inside Abdi Aynte :: Ellison's Oath On Koran Roils Conservatives According to Roll Call, the Capitol Hills' newspaper, swearing on a particular sacred text is a symbolic, optional affair for House members who would like a photo-op with the Speaker of the House at the end of the mass swearing-in ceremony, which has no specific religious denomination.
In his scathing article, Prager barely stopped short of calling Ellison a racist, but he said that allowing Ellison to swear on the Koran is akin to allowing a "racist" to choose "the Nazis' Bible for his oath."
And though he suggests that the Bible is the exclusive book, in which Americans should swear on, plenty of elected officials locally and nationally have taken their oath on the Torah.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida Democrat, who's Jewish, refused to use a Christian Bible in her swearing-in ceremony in 2005. Eventually, she borrowed a Hebrew Bible from a colleague. Others officials, including four U.S presidents have skipped swearing on the Bible all together.
The foray into Ellison's oath on the Koran, led by Prager and a cadre of conservative ****gers, is seen rapacious by Muslims and tendentious by most experts.
"It's a clear double standard in our society," said David Landry, professor of theology at the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul. "There's a lot of anti-Muslim bigotry in it."
Rev. Meg Riley, director of Advocacy and Witness Programs at Unitarian Universalist Association, said that "Ellison is swearing on the Koran to uphold the Constitution of this country."
now it is critical to remember that as a true conservative? i would not swear on the Bible either, because, as the constitution CLEARLY states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
and? most importantly? REQUIRING an oath on a Bible is expressly forbidden and UNCONSTUTIONAL
Article. VI. - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
so? when all these so-called conservatives start off by telling me how i have to be to be "consrvative"? i laugh...
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A little boy goes to his dad and asks, 'What is Politics?'
Dad says, 'Well son, let me try to explain it this way:
I am the head of the family, so call me The President.
Your mother is the administrator of the money, so we call her the Government.
We are here to take care of your needs, so we will call you the People.
The nanny, we will consider her the Working Class.
And your baby brother, we will call him the Future.
Now think about that and see if it makes sense.'
So the little boy! goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said.
Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him.
He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper.
So the little boy goes to his parent's room and finds his mother asleep.
Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny.
He gives up and goes back to bed.
The next morning, the little boy says to his father, 'Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now.'
The father says, 'Good, son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about.'
The little boy replies, 'The President is screwing the Working Class while the Government is sound asleep. The People are being ignored and the Future is in deep schit.
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