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We know that at that time period the name Jesus (Yeshua) was an extremely common name and over 30% of women were named Mary. It is so strange that anyone would jump to the conclusion that this was the Jesus of the Bible. Talk about jumping to a crazy assumption. This takes the cake...
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its even crazier to assume that a man can be conceived without his supposed parents having sex..or that he could be the son of someones thought process...or that an intelligent being could even believe something like that. its a crazy world,huh.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
I also have no proof that the world wasn't ever completely covered in Jello pudding.

I lol'ed! A+++ comeback
and so true... the argument that he can't be disproved isn't really an argument

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quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
its even crazier to assume that a man can be conceived without his supposed parents having sex..or that he could be the son of someones thought process...or that an intelligent being could even believe something like that. its a crazy world,huh.

No, it isn't really too hard to believe quite obviously impossible things.

Take Cubs fans, for example.

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quote:
Originally posted by farmgirl:
[QB] I also do not see the need to crush there beliefs. I personal am a practicing catholic. Does that mean I agree with everything they teach. NO Does that mean I encourage others to join my faith. NO I believe that there is a different right for everyone and that people that are not harming themselves or others in their beliefs should be left alone.

im gonna chime in here...I've dated a couple jesus freaks in the past and ill tell you one thing..they will try to make u feel like sh!t for not worshipping jesus....They put u on a guilt trip, and try to integrate u into their faith, and when you just establish thats its not for you, its not what u believe, its grounds for breaking up. I believe in a higher power, but none specifically. I understand you are one of the many religious people that dont try to force their beliefs on others, unfortunately there ARE people like that, and they travel in cults...have u seen these youth group things? with christian rock and what not..its so weird to me. this one time i stepped outside a theatre to smoke a cigarette and there was a group of evangelicals or w/e theyre called crawling all over the front of the place...this guy tried to talk to me (2nd member to approach me) and i stopped him half way through his sentence and said i dont believe in jesus (i dont not doubt at all that he existed at one point, but i dont believe in him in the spirtual sense) and i walked away to a bench to continue my cig break....
and GUESS WHAT this guy does...he comes over and sits next to me! and expresses how i "look" like i could really find something in jesus and thats its not to late (basically inferring that im going to hell for not believing).. i stood up right away i get up and i holler GET THE f** away from me....

that guys behavior was uncalled for, i could not believe i was stalked like that so aggressively by these people...u shouldve seen how they looked at all of us..like we were all going to hell or something


I believe we need to live in a realist society, and accept that this life may be it...if everyone understood that we would all try to make it a wonderful and happy life for everyone to enjoy..instead u have religious wars throughout history taking place..and yet nothing ever changes...religion i believe was first created for order...now that we have it i think we should disseminate it =)

in an ideal world id like to believe everyone has one common faith...that there IS SOME higher power out there, but we need to accept that we may never know the truth to it..only then can people stop wasting their lives with religion and use that time to do something for humanity..

(Drops Mic)

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little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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quote:
Originally posted by Hannibull:
quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
I also have no proof that the world wasn't ever completely covered in Jello pudding.

I lol'ed! A+++ comeback
and so true... the argument that he can't be disproved isn't really an argument

I can prove that jelly pudding never covered the earth. Bill Cosby was not born yet. [Big Grin]
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Which came first, the Cosby or the Pudding?

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I think like anything can be taken to far. I am glad that I have something to believe in and to teach my children. Once I am dead I will know if I am right or wrong. I am hoping I am right. As for Jesus freaks some people carry things to far. If you have to hound and threaten people to believe what you believe you are going to far. I have asked peoples opinions but I hope I have never tried to push mine.

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Keep your Faith farmgirl. I believed Jesus died for my sins. Other people dont believe this. I can only answer for my own life. I am not ashamed to be a Christian. Others are ashamed that I AM a Christian. SOOOOOOOO WHAAAAAAAAAAT.

LOL.....I dont push religion it down their throats. I used to try to shove religion down peoples throats. Now.....If they want to hear it I will tell them my Christian beliefs. If they dont ask to here it or verbally refuse to hear I dont push the issue. See...So now someone will put all this in Quotes and have something evil to say or make fun of my beliefs. You can bet on it.

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I agree with you. I will keep my faith and that is why we have free will. The free will to choice to believe or not believe. It won't be the first time someone disagreed with something I have said.

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You two have the right idea. However those that try to force their religious beliefs on others, through politics, legislation, or just plain badgering, poison the whole notion of Christianity for many.

Further, the separation of church and state is crucial.

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I am wondering, if we had no real proof of the burials of these people?

Then in one of those underground "vaults" they keep finding under Boston, they find a collection of caskets with little but bones left inthem.

It was noticed that on one of the caskets was the solitary inscription, "John Adams", on another it has, "Abigale, wife of John", a third is marked "Sam Adams, cousin to John" and the fourth, "John Q, Adams, son of John".

Then, an anthropologist suggest the possibility that this evidence could be considered showing that this "vault" is a family chamber for the honored and famous Adams family of our Country's historical beginings.

Now, all that being placed as a preface, here is my wonder:

How many that believe in the influence and character of John Adams will voice claims that these names were all very common in that time and place and there is not chance this is them, then further to cast aspersions athe those who found or thouse who thought these could be the actual remains of one of our heros?

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Spin it how you will....none of us will know 100% until after we die. So that being known,I am not taking any chances. If there is nothing to any of it.....then I have nothing to lose after I die. I respect you for questioning the "So Called" discovery, but I believe what I believe and I am cool with what you may think or wish to believe. No one can change my mind as no one can change yours.
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So you admit you're in it for your own gain. Fair enough.

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Yes I am in it for me. Everyone has free will. The only mind that can change is one that is willing to change. I wish everyone believed like I believe. But they dont and thats their decision. I am responsible for my actions and the way I live my life...just as everyone else is responsible for their own life.

Any who .....This subject and politics always goes in circles and everyone leaves when the same belief they started with. (usually)

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excuse my grammar. Long day.
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Granted. That's true with most arguments, I suppose.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
Granted. That's true with most arguments, I suppose.

even altruists are in it for themselves GB... Andrew your honesty is..... refreshing, yeah, refreshing....

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I've never been able to accept claims by people that free will and Calvinism can or should co-exist in a person.

They are, after all, totally disparate and, by design, particularly, with respect to religious matters that are non-Catholic, antagonistic.

I point out that the assumption that free will and Calvanism can co-exist in a mind, with or without religious concern on a question, is logically absurd.

I can and will grant that your religion is of your own free will, free from influence of any other entity and any reason or basis for it is not required.

And I can accept the belief that you being religious is part of God's "plan",

But not the two at one time, because it is impossible.

To suggest that I waver on that point is the same to me as me suggesting that you ignore your religion on some matter.

But, I have seldom if ever found a religious person that was willing to grant me that respect.

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bdgee, you can't break Gods laws.... all the rest are human constructs....

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Indeed, that is clear. glass...!

So, which is God's law?

Have I the will to choose my belief or was Calvin right and I am only living out what was preordained?

I must confess that I find it not simply difficult to believe false things I have been witness to and I find the idea that I am not the author of my own errors to be degrading.

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quote:
Originally posted by andrew:
Spin it how you will....none of us will know 100% until after we die. So that being known,I am not taking any chances. If there is nothing to any of it.....then I have nothing to lose after I die. I respect you for questioning the "So Called" discovery, but I believe what I believe and I am cool with what you may think or wish to believe. No one can change my mind as no one can change yours.

...ask yourself this if everyone that dies goes to heaven...what the hell is going on there? is it like a big life after party? lol...it just seems silly
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If all the self-righteous, bloated prigs in politics and the media who call themselves "Christians" are really going to Heaven, I'll gladly hang out with the outcasts in Hell, thank you very much.

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whatever helps you sleep at night....for some it might be "punching the bishop" for others its simply a clear conscience.

How the conscience is developed is a whole other story....so I keep it simple : dont do to others what you would not want done to you. Now is that Godly enough or what?

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Punching the bishop? [Big Grin]

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Everone has the right to believe whatever they wish. I am not pushing the issue. Like I said this issue and politics never go anywhere but in circles.

As you all may know I did PUSH religion at everyone at one time and I did Push the Republican party. I called some you some hateful things, but now I have found out that life is SOOOOO short for all that garbage. Any way I respect all of your opinions. (Sounds kinda corny does'nt it?)

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corny? nope...
we have witnessed one of the largest, most (short-term) successful propaganda campaigns ever waged Andrew...

faith, IMO, should not be trifled with or exploited, but it often is and it will be again..

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I agree... in part.

There's faith, which should not be trifled with or exploited...

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And then there's "faith" which is destroying our country and civil rights by adhering to and penetrating our government and society like a billion leeches. This type of "faith" deserves all the trifling, mocking, shame and criminal indictments it has coming.

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Yes, every confidence man is full of faith that he can cheat you out of whatever he can and it is his right.

It takes confidence to be successful, whether it be playing second base or counting the collection plate and slipping the money into you own account.

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GB? i think this guy is a more appropriate figure of faith exploitation:

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his exploitation of mailing lists obtained from Churches will be legendary....

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I find it very amusing that Rove, the architect of Bush's political life, is gay.

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Rove is not gay! Isnt he married?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Their hatred is blind rimasco. They will say anything, even if it includes a STOCK MARKET forum.
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