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UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took his verbal battle with the United States to the floor of the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, calling President Bush "the devil."

"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said. "He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world."

The leftist leader, who joined Iran last week in an alliance against U.S. influence, accused Washington of "domination, exploitation and pillage of peoples of the world."

"We appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our head," he said.

He also said the United Nations in its current system "doesn't work" and is "antidemocratic."

Chavez called for reform, saying the U.S. government's "immoral veto" had allowed recent Israeli bombings of Lebanon to continue unabated for more than a month.

"Venezuela once again proposes today that we reform the United Nations," he said.

Chavez lambasted Washington for trying to block Venezuela's campaign for a rotating seat on the U.N. Security Council. He said if chosen over U.S.-favorite Guatemala in a secret-ballot U.N. vote next month, Venezuela would be "the voice of the Third World."

The U.S. government warns that Chavez, a close ally of Iran, Syria and Cuba, would be a disruptive force on the council.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un.ap/index.html

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I thought the devil was supposed to be intelligent and cunning.

That rules Bush out.

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who cares what Chavez says? if he didn't have oil? he wouln't even be on the news...

[ September 20, 2006, 14:18: Message edited by: glassman ]

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And if Bush didn't have oil, he wouldn't be President!

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I cant believe th U.N. Assembly has resorted to name calling. Is this wet-back serious? Does he realize he just called a christian radical a devil?

utttt ohhhhhh

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glassman doesn't use oil. He's a hermit in the mountains using candles and horse. But I can't help but wonder how he is able to use the computer? I wonder how he would have done things if it would have been left to him for our need for oil. How long ago would he have started convincing EVERYONE to start using alternative fuels. Maybe in the dream world would he have had the power to over rule and care less about dealing with big business. That makes the land he lives in be one of the richest in world. Enjoying the luxeries he has. Or does he think he would have had it like this anyway?

[ September 20, 2006, 14:35: Message edited by: kittykash ]

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quote:
Originally posted by kittykash:
glassman doesn't use oil. He's a hermit in the mountains using candles and horse. But I can't help but wonder how he is able to use the computer? I wonder how he would have done things if it would have been left to him for our need for oil. How long ago would he have started convincing EVERYONE to start using alternative fuels. Maybe in the dream world would he have had the power to over rule and care less about dealing with big business. That makes the land he lives in be one of the richest in world. Enjoying the luxeries he has. Or does he thing he would have had it like this anyway?

hmmm....

you having some problem? you don't know me... don't pretend you do.

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you took that assumption about me how many times already. Please follow your own advice
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President Hugo Chavez is very childish imo.

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quote:
Originally posted by kittykash:
you took that assumption about me how many times already. Please follow your own advice

no, i've responded directly to your posts...

it's fairly obvious you are a Bush sympathiser...

you know what? as Gunner in the USN? my job took me to many third world countries...

i've seen how good we have it here..

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I'm glad to hear that.

reread all posts about me.
"it's people like me" and a few others. And if that is your excuse than I'll use the same one. I was responding to your posts.

oh brother...

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OH and yes I am a Bush sympathiser because I agree with his agenda. YES

I can disagree with other things right? like how the war was fought? is that ok? Do I have to be 100% down the line? Is that how you think? (notice, as before, I'm asking here)

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Do I have to be 100% down the line? Is that how you think? (notice, as before, I'm asking here)

no...
as amatter of fact? you're the one telling me i'm no GOP...

when in fact? you have no right to tell me what party i am at all...

the GOP will throw Bush out itself if they need to ....

your attitude telling jordanreed he's unAmerican was well LOL unAmerican.. heehee

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Check this. It's an old one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KWAJVH8pTWI

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sadly KK...

you and people that speak like this are why America is in trouble worldwide right now...

quote from you.


reread what jordan was referring to and how he responded. I never said unAmerican, now did I?
What did I say glass? against the fundamentalist beliefs of america FREEDOM OF SPEECH and not be called an enemy as jordan suggested. How do you not get this? I'm done for the day. Enjoy.

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sadly KK...

you and people that speak like this are why America is in trouble worldwide right now...


and it's pretty clear that Bush has made a total mess of US diplomatic policy...

which was my point...

you keep deefending him on points that very few agree with anymore...

invading other countries to "give them freedom" don't work.... LOL...

it just makes them satellites of your country... no matter how much Bush polishes this turd? its' still the turd he gave US...

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what Saddam did to Kuiwat was invade.

do you just CHOOSE not to remember the many many years of trouble this country, the U.N. and other countries had with Saddam?

Now we find out the UN was only pretending to try to control Saddam.

BTW 38-44% DOESN'T SOUND LIKE "VERY FEW" TO ME. But I see how it would sound like that to you. [Roll Eyes]

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do you just CHOOSE not to remember the many many years of trouble this country, the U.N. and other countries had with Saddam?

nope... never did..

but? i knew better than to believe we would be welcomed as liberators...

and? i also know that Bush and Cheney saying they'd do it again "knowing what they know now" is a flat statement against the will of the people...

that's why we get back to that fascism problem.
as a Republican i recognise that the majority rule is not alwys best.. on the other hand? in a democratic republic that "will of the people" can only be ignored at great peril to both the ignorer andd the ignoree..

in other words? we Americans supported the invasion because we beleived we were defending ourselves..

now that we know differently? invading another country would have broader implications that lead other countries to mistrust US and our policies...

it's not that complicated... they are afraid... and Bush scares them...

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that was a wonderful statement about your point of view.
I do disagree however, I still believe we were defending ourselves and I also believe no one knew for sure what WMD he had.
Nonetheless I like that the terriost's efforts and monies (most of it) was directed to Iraq, unfortunately for the Iraqies.
I prefer there to here. I believe IF SUCCESSFUL in getting Iraq to be more democratic it's ALL THE BETTER than not trying at all.
And that's my opinion.

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Nonetheless I like that the terriost's efforts and monies (most of it) was directed to Iraq, unfortunately for the Iraqies.
I prefer there to here


tell that to the Iraqi's that have been maimed...

see? you support my case... look in a mirror yourself...

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[Roll Eyes]
oh dear here we go again.....


appples are sky high now..

let's play connect the dots

NOT

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they'll never be our allies if you really mean that...

why would they?

furthermore?

Iraq is now a training and recruiting ground...

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Yeah Glass and what the fact that pre-invasion even Clinton labeled Saddam as the biggest threat to America

And what about Tony Blair?

"He's an extremely dangerous man, probably the most dangerous ruler at the present time anywhere in the world ... (and) the policy of containment must stay in place,” Blair said.


Im only kidden...I just gotta throw some dems on the chopping block every now and again to keep the CHI flowing.

Kitty if you followed Glasses posts you would see that he is not politcal party driven. Its no secret that our initial reason for going into Iraq was debunked and proven to be a mistake through lies or misinformation...i think its both. When I use th phrase "initial reason" it shows how even I "WAS" duped into the whole "oh well while we're here we'll give these people OUR version of good ole western freedom". Anybody who has been buying into this is a sheep.

While we invaded Iraq and took down Saddam we allowed and even bigger threat to pop up. Besides the fact of civil war and the possibilty of Iraq becoming a Taliban styled govt(which also means the whole freedom bs thing failed to) It allowed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to pop up next door realizing the coast was clear OF SADDAM.

We elect these people into office in hopes of them having a greater gift of foresight then we avg folk. In other words its their job to predict reprecusions to their actions. Something this administration is TERRIBLE at! They managed to create the biggest anti-american sentiment BY FAR then any other administration in HISTORY. You may say "who cares" well THEY DO...in repects to their cohesive "Global econmy".

Bottom line.....I like to explain things in lame-mans terms because this is how i need things explained to me sometimes. Look at america as if it were a company and GW was the president. If an overwhelming majority of the stock holders and public felt this guy was doing a horrible job and ther was a continous growing hatred growing for the products they sold which was effecting their bottom line net profits. Do you think he would hold his position...I think it would be in his and the companys best interest to get him out of there.

You also gotta understand I dont know if the president could just fess up at this point to the entire debocle..we're talkin bout war crimes here. Iran is turning out to be a scapegoat to the debauchery next door. A VERY FEASIBLE one at that.

All im saying is...he FUGKED up royally and he should just step down and let sombody else try to salvage what left of our image

P.S. GW is known for running businesses he ran into bankruptcy...LOL...that was one of the biggest reasons I almost didnt vote fo him..well that and his ability to speak.

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you don't speaky the english too well, glassman

unless you are able to penetrate all walls around the world and have a crystal ball I think you should limit yourself to the "I believe" or "I feel" statements.

yell: 1 : to utter a loud cry, scream, or shout
2 : to give a cheer usually in unison

enemy: 1 : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent (stating opinions are not confounding, stating rumors as facts and opinions as facts ...hmm can be confounding)
2 : something harmful or deadly
3 a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force

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wow that post took me so long to concoct you guys already adressed everything in it LOL

Im a slow typer [Frown]

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I disagree with you rim, I'm not blind I just disagree. I'm aware of what's going on out there, I know the threat now looming. I don't agree with your viewpoint of the outcome. And we don't know what the END outcome will be yet. You may THINK you know the outcome, but until we are in the future you don't KNOW the future.
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Kitty do you realize that post 911 we had overwhelming support and sympathy from most all middle-eastern countries? Even supporitng us going into Afghanistahn...This was unheard of and pretty much shocking. They too were shocked at the Horrific tragedy that took place....Then came Iraq and what turned out to be lies and deceit.

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unless you are able to penetrate all walls around the world and have a crystal ball I think you should limit yourself to the "I believe" or "I feel" statements

what turned out to be lies and deceit says nothing as this can be applied to EVERYWHERE ON EVERYTHING!. PA LEEZZZZE

I believe all reasons for going in was not given
I believe Bush was mislead as much as many from surrounding Arab counties is true as documented. They wanted Saddam out and they wanted us to do it. So please I ask again , don't make your beliefs as facts as they aren't, they are what you believe.

Been through this already, and btw I do realize.

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GW has managed to create a SHlT-load of more enemys of this country. Right after 9/11 we were dealing with if you think about it, a very miniscule but deadly enemy Al-qaeda. Now it seems the enemy has grown in the 100s of millions.

We played right into Osamas hands. He knew how our president would retaliate, This was all part of his plan to gain recruits by the masses.

This is were that whole "foresite" thing comes into play. Osama seems to have a good grasp of it, with the patience to go along

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it was already the fastest growing "religion" and a burst happen, it's not surprising to me. But it had to come to a head sooner or later. So he got recruits, where's the money to back this effort for a long period of time? Bring it out in the open is a bad thing? I don't think so, I'm glad we are able to see them MUCH better that pre 9-11. Bring them out and let's fight it as a war in open instead of who knows where they'll strick. In my opinion
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they have been wanting a jihad for a long time, bring it on IN THE OPEN and stop hiding behind innocents. I want our and allied ARMY'S fighting them that stand a decent chance than their constant chicken sheet tactics. They love and worship death as they say, sweetie, it was coming to a head, sooner or later. But so many more innocents would have been killed, in my opinion, if we hadn't gone to Iraq (for many reasons). And yes, I know many innocent people in Iraq are dying and suffering now. But for them the difference is there is a light at end of this tunnel (they, we are hoping) where was the light for all the suffering and death at Saddam's hands?
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Dubya's playing checkers while the enemy is playing chess

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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez addresses the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, displaying a book by Noam Chomsky critical of U.S. foreign policy.

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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez addresses the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, displaying a book by Noam Chomsky critical of U.S. foreign policy.

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and if you think I'm a nut already, this may confirm it in many eyes, lol, I also believe that things are happening according to the Lord's will. According to the Bible and according to Revelations, things are going according to plan. The Jihad is meant to be but they are on the losing side, if you believe in the Bible and Revelations. I use to wonder how America would change so much as to persicute (?) what this country was founded on.

I apologize glassman for saying you are not GOP. Many people think many different things across the board.

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Chavez calls Bush 'devil' in U.N. speech
There was a stench at the United Nations, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said during his visit, and President Bush was responsible for it.The smell of the devil tainted the lectern where Bush stood the day before, Chavez said. Making the sign of the cross, Chavez made another observation: "It smells of sulfur still today."

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