UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took his verbal battle with the United States to the floor of the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, calling President Bush "the devil."
"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said. "He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world."
The leftist leader, who joined Iran last week in an alliance against U.S. influence, accused Washington of "domination, exploitation and pillage of peoples of the world."
"We appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our head," he said.
He also said the United Nations in its current system "doesn't work" and is "antidemocratic."
Chavez called for reform, saying the U.S. government's "immoral veto" had allowed recent Israeli bombings of Lebanon to continue unabated for more than a month.
"Venezuela once again proposes today that we reform the United Nations," he said.
Chavez lambasted Washington for trying to block Venezuela's campaign for a rotating seat on the U.N. Security Council. He said if chosen over U.S.-favorite Guatemala in a secret-ballot U.N. vote next month, Venezuela would be "the voice of the Third World."
The U.S. government warns that Chavez, a close ally of Iran, Syria and Cuba, would be a disruptive force on the council.
I thought the devil was supposed to be intelligent and cunning.
That rules Bush out.
Posted by glassman on :
who cares what Chavez says? if he didn't have oil? he wouln't even be on the news...
[ September 20, 2006, 14:18: Message edited by: glassman ]
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
And if Bush didn't have oil, he wouldn't be President!
:-)
Posted by rimasco on :
I cant believe th U.N. Assembly has resorted to name calling. Is this wet-back serious? Does he realize he just called a christian radical a devil?
utttt ohhhhhh
Posted by kittykash on :
glassman doesn't use oil. He's a hermit in the mountains using candles and horse. But I can't help but wonder how he is able to use the computer? I wonder how he would have done things if it would have been left to him for our need for oil. How long ago would he have started convincing EVERYONE to start using alternative fuels. Maybe in the dream world would he have had the power to over rule and care less about dealing with big business. That makes the land he lives in be one of the richest in world. Enjoying the luxeries he has. Or does he think he would have had it like this anyway?
[ September 20, 2006, 14:35: Message edited by: kittykash ]
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by kittykash: glassman doesn't use oil. He's a hermit in the mountains using candles and horse. But I can't help but wonder how he is able to use the computer? I wonder how he would have done things if it would have been left to him for our need for oil. How long ago would he have started convincing EVERYONE to start using alternative fuels. Maybe in the dream world would he have had the power to over rule and care less about dealing with big business. That makes the land he lives in be one of the richest in world. Enjoying the luxeries he has. Or does he thing he would have had it like this anyway?
hmmm....
you having some problem? you don't know me... don't pretend you do.
Posted by kittykash on :
you took that assumption about me how many times already. Please follow your own advice
Posted by dacollecter on :
President Hugo Chavez is very childish imo.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by kittykash: you took that assumption about me how many times already. Please follow your own advice
no, i've responded directly to your posts...
it's fairly obvious you are a Bush sympathiser...
you know what? as Gunner in the USN? my job took me to many third world countries...
i've seen how good we have it here..
Posted by kittykash on :
I'm glad to hear that.
reread all posts about me. "it's people like me" and a few others. And if that is your excuse than I'll use the same one. I was responding to your posts.
oh brother...
Posted by kittykash on :
OH and yes I am a Bush sympathiser because I agree with his agenda. YES
I can disagree with other things right? like how the war was fought? is that ok? Do I have to be 100% down the line? Is that how you think? (notice, as before, I'm asking here)
Posted by glassman on :
Do I have to be 100% down the line? Is that how you think? (notice, as before, I'm asking here)
no... as amatter of fact? you're the one telling me i'm no GOP...
when in fact? you have no right to tell me what party i am at all...
the GOP will throw Bush out itself if they need to ....
your attitude telling jordanreed he's unAmerican was well LOL unAmerican.. heehee
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
you and people that speak like this are why America is in trouble worldwide right now...
quote from you.
reread what jordan was referring to and how he responded. I never said unAmerican, now did I? What did I say glass? against the fundamentalist beliefs of america FREEDOM OF SPEECH and not be called an enemy as jordan suggested. How do you not get this? I'm done for the day. Enjoy.
Posted by glassman on :
sadly KK...
you and people that speak like this are why America is in trouble worldwide right now...
and it's pretty clear that Bush has made a total mess of US diplomatic policy...
which was my point...
you keep deefending him on points that very few agree with anymore...
invading other countries to "give them freedom" don't work.... LOL...
it just makes them satellites of your country... no matter how much Bush polishes this turd? its' still the turd he gave US...
Posted by kittykash on :
what Saddam did to Kuiwat was invade.
do you just CHOOSE not to remember the many many years of trouble this country, the U.N. and other countries had with Saddam?
Now we find out the UN was only pretending to try to control Saddam.
BTW 38-44% DOESN'T SOUND LIKE "VERY FEW" TO ME. But I see how it would sound like that to you. Posted by glassman on :
do you just CHOOSE not to remember the many many years of trouble this country, the U.N. and other countries had with Saddam?
nope... never did..
but? i knew better than to believe we would be welcomed as liberators...
and? i also know that Bush and Cheney saying they'd do it again "knowing what they know now" is a flat statement against the will of the people...
that's why we get back to that fascism problem. as a Republican i recognise that the majority rule is not alwys best.. on the other hand? in a democratic republic that "will of the people" can only be ignored at great peril to both the ignorer andd the ignoree..
in other words? we Americans supported the invasion because we beleived we were defending ourselves..
now that we know differently? invading another country would have broader implications that lead other countries to mistrust US and our policies...
it's not that complicated... they are afraid... and Bush scares them...
Posted by kittykash on :
that was a wonderful statement about your point of view. I do disagree however, I still believe we were defending ourselves and I also believe no one knew for sure what WMD he had. Nonetheless I like that the terriost's efforts and monies (most of it) was directed to Iraq, unfortunately for the Iraqies. I prefer there to here. I believe IF SUCCESSFUL in getting Iraq to be more democratic it's ALL THE BETTER than not trying at all. And that's my opinion.
Posted by glassman on :
Nonetheless I like that the terriost's efforts and monies (most of it) was directed to Iraq, unfortunately for the Iraqies. I prefer there to here
tell that to the Iraqi's that have been maimed...
see? you support my case... look in a mirror yourself...
Posted by kittykash on :
oh dear here we go again.....
appples are sky high now..
let's play connect the dots
NOT
Posted by glassman on :
they'll never be our allies if you really mean that...
why would they?
furthermore?
Iraq is now a training and recruiting ground...
Posted by rimasco on :
Yeah Glass and what the fact that pre-invasion even Clinton labeled Saddam as the biggest threat to America
And what about Tony Blair?
"He's an extremely dangerous man, probably the most dangerous ruler at the present time anywhere in the world ... (and) the policy of containment must stay in place,” Blair said.
Im only kidden...I just gotta throw some dems on the chopping block every now and again to keep the CHI flowing.
Kitty if you followed Glasses posts you would see that he is not politcal party driven. Its no secret that our initial reason for going into Iraq was debunked and proven to be a mistake through lies or misinformation...i think its both. When I use th phrase "initial reason" it shows how even I "WAS" duped into the whole "oh well while we're here we'll give these people OUR version of good ole western freedom". Anybody who has been buying into this is a sheep.
While we invaded Iraq and took down Saddam we allowed and even bigger threat to pop up. Besides the fact of civil war and the possibilty of Iraq becoming a Taliban styled govt(which also means the whole freedom bs thing failed to) It allowed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to pop up next door realizing the coast was clear OF SADDAM.
We elect these people into office in hopes of them having a greater gift of foresight then we avg folk. In other words its their job to predict reprecusions to their actions. Something this administration is TERRIBLE at! They managed to create the biggest anti-american sentiment BY FAR then any other administration in HISTORY. You may say "who cares" well THEY DO...in repects to their cohesive "Global econmy".
Bottom line.....I like to explain things in lame-mans terms because this is how i need things explained to me sometimes. Look at america as if it were a company and GW was the president. If an overwhelming majority of the stock holders and public felt this guy was doing a horrible job and ther was a continous growing hatred growing for the products they sold which was effecting their bottom line net profits. Do you think he would hold his position...I think it would be in his and the companys best interest to get him out of there.
You also gotta understand I dont know if the president could just fess up at this point to the entire debocle..we're talkin bout war crimes here. Iran is turning out to be a scapegoat to the debauchery next door. A VERY FEASIBLE one at that.
All im saying is...he FUGKED up royally and he should just step down and let sombody else try to salvage what left of our image
P.S. GW is known for running businesses he ran into bankruptcy...LOL...that was one of the biggest reasons I almost didnt vote fo him..well that and his ability to speak.
Posted by kittykash on :
you don't speaky the english too well, glassman
unless you are able to penetrate all walls around the world and have a crystal ball I think you should limit yourself to the "I believe" or "I feel" statements.
yell: 1 : to utter a loud cry, scream, or shout 2 : to give a cheer usually in unison
enemy: 1 : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent (stating opinions are not confounding, stating rumors as facts and opinions as facts ...hmm can be confounding) 2 : something harmful or deadly 3 a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force
Posted by rimasco on :
wow that post took me so long to concoct you guys already adressed everything in it LOL
Im a slow typer Posted by kittykash on :
I disagree with you rim, I'm not blind I just disagree. I'm aware of what's going on out there, I know the threat now looming. I don't agree with your viewpoint of the outcome. And we don't know what the END outcome will be yet. You may THINK you know the outcome, but until we are in the future you don't KNOW the future.
Posted by rimasco on :
Kitty do you realize that post 911 we had overwhelming support and sympathy from most all middle-eastern countries? Even supporitng us going into Afghanistahn...This was unheard of and pretty much shocking. They too were shocked at the Horrific tragedy that took place....Then came Iraq and what turned out to be lies and deceit.
Posted by kittykash on :
unless you are able to penetrate all walls around the world and have a crystal ball I think you should limit yourself to the "I believe" or "I feel" statements
what turned out to be lies and deceit says nothing as this can be applied to EVERYWHERE ON EVERYTHING!. PA LEEZZZZE
I believe all reasons for going in was not given I believe Bush was mislead as much as many from surrounding Arab counties is true as documented. They wanted Saddam out and they wanted us to do it. So please I ask again , don't make your beliefs as facts as they aren't, they are what you believe.
Been through this already, and btw I do realize.
Posted by rimasco on :
GW has managed to create a SHlT-load of more enemys of this country. Right after 9/11 we were dealing with if you think about it, a very miniscule but deadly enemy Al-qaeda. Now it seems the enemy has grown in the 100s of millions.
We played right into Osamas hands. He knew how our president would retaliate, This was all part of his plan to gain recruits by the masses.
This is were that whole "foresite" thing comes into play. Osama seems to have a good grasp of it, with the patience to go along
Posted by kittykash on :
it was already the fastest growing "religion" and a burst happen, it's not surprising to me. But it had to come to a head sooner or later. So he got recruits, where's the money to back this effort for a long period of time? Bring it out in the open is a bad thing? I don't think so, I'm glad we are able to see them MUCH better that pre 9-11. Bring them out and let's fight it as a war in open instead of who knows where they'll strick. In my opinion
Posted by kittykash on :
they have been wanting a jihad for a long time, bring it on IN THE OPEN and stop hiding behind innocents. I want our and allied ARMY'S fighting them that stand a decent chance than their constant chicken sheet tactics. They love and worship death as they say, sweetie, it was coming to a head, sooner or later. But so many more innocents would have been killed, in my opinion, if we hadn't gone to Iraq (for many reasons). And yes, I know many innocent people in Iraq are dying and suffering now. But for them the difference is there is a light at end of this tunnel (they, we are hoping) where was the light for all the suffering and death at Saddam's hands?
Posted by rimasco on :
Dubya's playing checkers while the enemy is playing chess
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez addresses the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, displaying a book by Noam Chomsky critical of U.S. foreign policy.
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez addresses the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, displaying a book by Noam Chomsky critical of U.S. foreign policy.
Posted by kittykash on :
and if you think I'm a nut already, this may confirm it in many eyes, lol, I also believe that things are happening according to the Lord's will. According to the Bible and according to Revelations, things are going according to plan. The Jihad is meant to be but they are on the losing side, if you believe in the Bible and Revelations. I use to wonder how America would change so much as to persicute (?) what this country was founded on.
I apologize glassman for saying you are not GOP. Many people think many different things across the board.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Chavez calls Bush 'devil' in U.N. speech There was a stench at the United Nations, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said during his visit, and President Bush was responsible for it.The smell of the devil tainted the lectern where Bush stood the day before, Chavez said. Making the sign of the cross, Chavez made another observation: "It smells of sulfur still today."
Posted by kittykash on :
Chavez has done a wonderful thing for this country. We are going to sound more united. Watch what countries and their ideologies come to his side. Where was the reporters question about the freedom to speak as he has in our country, in HIS country.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Chavez: Imprison 'genocidal' Bush
Hugo Chavez waves to supporters in London on Monday.
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has accused George W. Bush of committing genocide and said the U.S. president should be imprisoned by an international criminal court.
The leftist leader made his remarks on Monday at a joint news conference with London Mayor Ken Livingstone after a reporter for the BBC likened some comments of his to Bush's phrase, first delivered shortly after the September 11 terrorist attacks, "You are either with us or against us in the fight against terror."
At that, Chavez erupted in anger about being "compared to the biggest genocide person alive, in the history of humanity, the president of the United States -- killer, genocidal, immoral -- who should be taken to prison by an international court. I don't know to what you are referring when you compare me to President Bush."
He added: "Have I invaded any country? Have Venezuelans invaded anything? Have we bombarded a city? Have we had a coup d'etat? Have we used the CIA to kill a president? Have we protected terrorists in Venezuela? That's Bush!"
The reporter then cited Chavez's critique of a previous question as "silly" for having motivated her question.
That original question, from CNN's Robin Oakley, asked whose decision it had been for Chavez not to include a visit with Prime Minister Tony Blair on his itinerary. During Chavez's first visit as head of state, five years ago, he was warmly received by Downing Street and Buckingham Palace.
Chavez derided the question as "silly" because, he said, the current visit is a private one, not a state visit.
He said he included people with whom he disagrees among his friends, and cited Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, a conservative, as one of them.
Iran warning Separately, Chavez warned that an attack against Iran would cost the world's oil consumers dearly.
"If there was an attack against Iran, the price could go to $100" per barrel from the current level of about $70, he said.
"It will lead also to greater destabilization."
Published reports have said the United States has drawn up plans to attack Iran if Tehran fails to abandon its nuclear program. U.S. officials have said there are no specific plans to do so.
No country, Chavez said, "has the right the prohibit a country from having nuclear energy." He said he is sure that the Iranians are not working on a nuclear weapon, as U.S. officials have claimed.
"The Iranians, like us, want peace," he said.
Either way, he predicted, the energy crisis will deepen. He described capitalism as "extreme individualism," which is using up the world's non-renewable energy reserves at an alarming pace.
He said the twin towers of the World Trade Center consumed more energy than do some entire countries in Africa.
In addition, the fact that 90 percent of vehicles carry no more than one person is "a stupid thing," he said.
"Our planet will not put up with this," he said. "We're all in peril."
On Saturday, Chavez said he wanted to provide cheap heating oil for low-income Europeans.
The Venezuelan leader worked out a similar deal to deliver discount heating oil this past winter to needy Americans in parts of the eastern United States.
"I'd like to do the same here in Europe," he said Saturday evening at a gathering in Vienna of activists and representatives of social movements and non-governmental groups, according to Reuters. (Full story)
In Washington, the U.S. State Department on Monday added Venezuela to the list of countries "not fully cooperating" with counterterrorism efforts.
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by kittykash: and if you think I'm a nut already, this may confirm it in many eyes, lol, I also believe that things are happening according to the Lord's will. According to the Bible and according to Revelations, things are going according to plan. The Jihad is meant to be but they are on the losing side, if you believe in the Bible and Revelations. I use to wonder how America would change so much as to persicute (?) what this country was founded on.
I apologize glassman for saying you are not GOP. Many people think many different things across the board.
Wow kitty....you just gave Glass a boat-load of ammo
Your loyalty to GW is now transparent....
Mylanta!!!!! Our country has been takin over by RADICALS!!!!
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by kittykash: and if you think I'm a nut already, this may confirm it in many eyes, lol, I also believe that things are happening according to the Lord's will. According to the Bible and according to Revelations, things are going according to plan. The Jihad is meant to be but they are on the losing side, if you believe in the Bible and Revelations. I use to wonder how America would change so much as to persicute (?) what this country was founded on.
I apologize glassman for saying you are not GOP. Many people think many different things across the board.
rimasco Member
Member Rated: posted September 16, 2006 17:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are religious zealots out there that are consciously and sub-consciously driving us in that direction in the name of "VALIDATION" of there religion
and countless hours of repent
Posted by kittykash on :
I'm not a religious zealot, it figures you'd label me like that. I am a christian. Do I have to bring the dictionary out again?
I don't need validation, I've read Revelations. And it looks like we are following along those lines. Called observation.
Ah heck, we all have ammo, one way or the other. I'm not going to be ashamed of my beliefs and I'm not shoving it down anyone's throats, I am giving my opinions as everyone here is. My mind is not clouded by rumors and falsehoods. I do make valid observations and my direction of thought, you can't call it wrong based on my beliefs, would you? I'd say if you disagree it's based on opinions, not on ravings. I might have been ranting but I wasn't raving.... Posted by glassman on :
I've read Revelations. And it looks like we are following along those lines. Called observation. GONG!
revelations was written about Rome.... revelations was over a long time ago...
Posted by kittykash on :
there are those to believe it was written about Rome. In reading ALL of revelations, it could not have been written about Rome. This has already been debated. Babaylon was not powerful and rerisen as stated in Revelations during Rome's empire. It was not rich and powerful and all seeking to make money from her at that time.
GONG back at you
Posted by glassman on :
and Babylon has now? LOL... convenient interpretations abound...
they had to write it in "code" because if they didn't? they would be killed... that fascism thing again...
Posted by kittykash on :
no, it's in the making, they have to unite to become an empire again.
Posted by kittykash on :
Babaylon is suppose to be (according to revelatons) reborn, and then crushed to oblivion, not a living thing living there for many many years. Again, according to revelations.
Posted by kittykash on :
Hey look, I'm not going to agrue about a book you haven't read. Believe what you want, right or wrong about the book Revelations. It's called freedom of choice. If you want the answers, just read it. dang this can go on forever and I might as well read it to you, been through this type of dialog before and I'm not doing the reading for you. But it's darn obvious you haven't read it and are only mimicing what you've HEARD about it. Hmmm, me thinks that is how you get info, from rumors and the word of other people.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
It's talking about spiritual Babaylon, not the literal babaylon.
[ September 20, 2006, 20:00: Message edited by: Ace of Spades ]
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Revelations can't be over, it's about the End Times and the Second Comming of Christ. The symbols in Revelation are in Daniel. The Dragon is the Satan.
Here is a link for symbols in prophecy. Daniel is one of the most important books to understand revelation.
[ September 20, 2006, 20:31: Message edited by: Ace of Spades ]
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by kittykash: Hmmm, me thinks that is how you get info, from rumors and the word of other people.
Isnt that what the whole premise of your book is based on?
Posted by kittykash on :
No
rumors no. word of people that walked with him, yes. Faith , yes
analysing a book you haven't read is a whole different can of worms.
Posted by rimasco on :
Youre right! just like taking a Metaphor and molding into a fact
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
kittykash, check out those links above. There's some great info about prophecy
Posted by kittykash on :
lol
Posted by kittykash on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: kittykash, check out those links above. There's some great info about prophecy
thank you, I will Ace! Posted by Ace of Spades on :
The video about Israel, in the first link is awesome. It clears up alot of confusion about Israels place in prophecy.
Posted by Upside on :
Prophecy, schmofecy. The only truth in the prophecies are how different people/cultures interpret them according to their "bible". Unfortunately there are sects out there right now who feel they have been called upon to fulfill them. It's a self fulfilling idealism that actually could wreak havoc on the world. It's got nothing to do with the trumpet in the sky though. The Rapture and Tribulation is akin to an Aesop's fable. I hate to admit it but I've read the entire Left Behind series of books. They're ridiculous.
Posted by dacollecter on :
Chavez is wrong: everybody knows Bush is not the devil... he's just one of his top minions.... heck here's him saluting the devil in public: BTW? Bush is saluting Cheney Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Prophecy, schmofecy. The only truth in the prophecies are how different people/cultures interpret them according to their "bible". Unfortunately there are sects out there right now who feel they have been called upon to fulfill them. It's a self fulfilling idealism that actually could wreak havoc on the world. It's got nothing to do with the trumpet in the sky though. The Rapture and Tribulation is akin to an Aesop's fable. I hate to admit it but I've read the entire Left Behind series of books. They're ridiculous.
Finally a skeptic that is educated on the matter!
Well I feel that the mass interpretation of a coded book can be debunked on the fact alone that if one piece/word/symbol was interpreted wrong it could change the course of events through out the entire book
example: • Serpent = Satan Revelation 12:9; 20:2 • Tongue = Language / Speech Exodus 4:10 • Wolf = Disguised Enemies Matthew
Lets say wolf was interpreted wrong and it actually means...uhhhhhhh FRIGGEN WOLF!!
get my drift?
Posted by T e x on :
"Hey look, I'm not going to agrue about a book you haven't read."
have read it...
doesn't even get the commandments right: eg, "shall not kill."
Can't kill, can't eat...kinda tough to make your body a temple without grub.
Posted by glassman on :
anybody here know the story of Hercules?
God impregnates, woman, has baby... LOL..
recylcled again and again...
Posted by rimasco on :
See the problem I have is....the fact that im not religious, it causes me to respect the deeply religious of all faiths...but it seems like the deeply religious CANT FRIGGEN RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES RELIGIONS.
Just keep it out of politics and they'll be no problems
Posted by rimasco on :
well ALOT less
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Prophecy, schmofecy. The only truth in the prophecies are how different people/cultures interpret them according to their "bible". Unfortunately there are sects out there right now who feel they have been called upon to fulfill them. It's a self fulfilling idealism that actually could wreak havoc on the world. It's got nothing to do with the trumpet in the sky though. The Rapture and Tribulation is akin to an Aesop's fable. I hate to admit it but I've read the entire Left Behind series of books. They're ridiculous.
How many prophets or prophecies in the Bible do you know?
The left behind series is all fiction, not based on the bible. There is no secret rapture. When Jesus said he will come like a thief in the night, he meant unexpectingly. He says, when he comes every eye will see him. And the tribulation is before he comes. There is no second chance like the series teaches. But Gods people will be protected from the plagues, like at passover.
Posted by glassman on :
How many prophets or prophecies in the Bible do you know?
he knows just as many as you do.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Prophecy, schmofecy. The only truth in the prophecies are how different people/cultures interpret them according to their "bible". Unfortunately there are sects out there right now who feel they have been called upon to fulfill them. It's a self fulfilling idealism that actually could wreak havoc on the world. It's got nothing to do with the trumpet in the sky though. The Rapture and Tribulation is akin to an Aesop's fable. I hate to admit it but I've read the entire Left Behind series of books. They're ridiculous.
The left behind series is all fiction, not based on the bible. There is no secret rapture. When Jesus said he will come like a thief in the night, he meant unexpectingly. He says, when he comes every eye will see him.
Well of course they're fiction, they certainly haven't come to pass now have they. Based on my limited knowledge of the authors though, they're supposed to be two biblical scholars and the books are their interpretation of the events that will unfold in the near future. Have you read them?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Prophecy, schmofecy. The only truth in the prophecies are how different people/cultures interpret them according to their "bible". Unfortunately there are sects out there right now who feel they have been called upon to fulfill them. It's a self fulfilling idealism that actually could wreak havoc on the world. It's got nothing to do with the trumpet in the sky though. The Rapture and Tribulation is akin to an Aesop's fable. I hate to admit it but I've read the entire Left Behind series of books. They're ridiculous.
Finally a skeptic that is educated on the matter!
Well I feel that the mass interpretation of a coded book can be debunked on the fact alone that if one piece/word/symbol was interpreted wrong it could change the course of events through out the entire book
example: • Serpent = Satan Revelation 12:9; 20:2 • Tongue = Language / Speech Exodus 4:10 • Wolf = Disguised Enemies Matthew
Lets say wolf was interpreted wrong and it actually means...uhhhhhhh FRIGGEN WOLF!!
get my drift?
That's a good point. In the the visions of Daniel, at first he didn't understand. Actually he fainted during the vision. Then later the angel explained the vision and symbols to him. Most of the prophecies and symbols the angels explain. The king of babylon didn't understand his vision, so Daniel inturpretted it for him. If you compare scripture with scripture it's right there. Remember these prophets were from different countries, times, and languages, and the books are all in harmony together. Same God and angels giving the visions.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Prophecy, schmofecy. The only truth in the prophecies are how different people/cultures interpret them according to their "bible". Unfortunately there are sects out there right now who feel they have been called upon to fulfill them. It's a self fulfilling idealism that actually could wreak havoc on the world. It's got nothing to do with the trumpet in the sky though. The Rapture and Tribulation is akin to an Aesop's fable. I hate to admit it but I've read the entire Left Behind series of books. They're ridiculous.
The left behind series is all fiction, not based on the bible. There is no secret rapture. When Jesus said he will come like a thief in the night, he meant unexpectingly. He says, when he comes every eye will see him.
Well of course they're fiction, they certainly haven't come to pass now have they. Based on my limited knowledge of the authors though, they're supposed to be two biblical scholars and the books are their interpretation of the events that will unfold in the near future. Have you read them?
Biblical Scholars wouldn't right those books. I don't know where he gets those ideas from, Jesus is clear about everything.
Posted by Upside on :
Ace, how old is the earth?
Posted by glassman on :
Biblical Scholars wouldn't right those books.
correct... but? they might WRITE them ... Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Biblical Scholars wouldn't right those books.
correct... but? they might WRITE them ...
They did and I wish someone would "right" them.
Posted by T e x on :
". . .Jesus is clear about everything. "
back to this...cool--as asked earlier, how/where/why do we get "quotes" from Jesus?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Ace, how old is the earth?
Based on God's word, less than 10,000 years.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: ". . .Jesus is clear about everything. "
back to this...cool--as asked earlier, how/where/why do we get "quotes" from Jesus?
Are you playing dumb, or are you serious? Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Ace, how old is the earth?
Based on God's word, less than 10,000 years.
Not based on God's word, based on your belief.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Ace, how old is the earth?
Based on God's word, less than 10,000 years.
Not based on God's word, based on your belief.
Can you explain how it's not based on God's word?
From creation we have the geneology from Adam to Jesus, and their life spans.
If you don't belief the bible that's a different story.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: ". . .Jesus is clear about everything. "
back to this...cool--as asked earlier, how/where/why do we get "quotes" from Jesus?
Are you playing dumb, or are you serious?
quite serious--as far as I know, "Jesus' words" were finally written down much after Jesus' time. No?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: ". . .Jesus is clear about everything. "
back to this...cool--as asked earlier, how/where/why do we get "quotes" from Jesus?
Are you playing dumb, or are you serious?
quite serious--as far as I know, "Jesus' words" were finally written down much after Jesus' time. No?
Well obviously the quotes come from the bible.
If you don't trust his deciples, or trust that his quotes made it to the bible unchanged, that's a different story.
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Upside:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Ace, how old is the earth?
Based on God's word, less than 10,000 years.
Not based on God's word, based on your belief.
Can you explain how it's not based on God's word?
From creation we have the geneology from Adam to Jesus, and their life spans.
If you don't belief the bible that's a different story.
Would you please quit editing your posts before I can respond. There's overwhelming scientific evidence that debunks your 10,000 year (actually it's more like 6,000 year) theory. There is hard, conclusive, evidence that the earth is 4+ billion years old. You on the other hand have a book. My belief in that book, in part or it's entirety, has nothing to do with it.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: ". . .Jesus is clear about everything. "
back to this...cool--as asked earlier, how/where/why do we get "quotes" from Jesus?
Are you playing dumb, or are you serious?
quite serious--as far as I know, "Jesus' words" were finally written down much after Jesus' time. No?
Well obviously the quotes come from the bible.
If you don't trust his deciples, or trust that his quotes made it to the bible unchanged, that's a different story.
"his disciples"
Ace, even biblical scholars and theologians disagree about which disciple wrote what...
for example: was this written by three different authors, or one?
It's not a matter of my trust...it's on the record that different groups at various times argued and voted and slugged it out to decide to what went in and what stayed out...
editorial boards do it all the time--unchanged since those days.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
I just want to say I understand respect your view.
There's holes in the evidence about the age of the earth.
I trust the writers of the Bible. And you trust the authors of Science papers and books.
You're just going by what scientists have said. And they are just feeding off of what they were taught in School. They make a living by publishing papers, that's their motivation for their "theories" or "discoveries" money and ego.
Like I said, I trust the writers of the Bible. And you trust the authors of Science papers and books.
Sorry about the editing, thing.
Posted by T e x on :
"I trust the writers of the Bible."
who do you think those writers were?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
"It's not a matter of my trust...it's on the record that different groups at various times argued and voted and slugged it out to decide to what went in and what stayed out"
Tex, what records? you got links or sources?
They found the original dead sea scrolls. There's more proof and evidence for the bible then you realize. How much time and effort have you spent on this subject. Not saying you haven't.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: "It's not a matter of my trust...it's on the record that different groups at various times argued and voted and slugged it out to decide to what went in and what stayed out"
Tex, what records? you got links or sources?
They found the original dead sea scrolls. There's more proof and evidence for the bible then you realize. How much time and effort have you spent on this subject. Not saying you haven't.
Ace, easy place to start (on Internet): search on "Straight Dope" (Cecil Adams)---> "who wrote the bible?"
Posted by Upside on :
It's not a matter of trust. In your case it's based on blind faith and a complete disregard for anything that contradicts that faith. My belief is based on facts that's been corobborated from many different lines of evidence.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: It's not a matter of trust. In your case it's based on blind faith and a complete disregard for anything that contradicts that faith. My belief is based on facts that's been corobborated from many different lines of evidence.
lol, Up...he got busy?
OT: got ur message...will respond at length--best wishes, though
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Tex:
quote:OT: got ur message...will respond at length--best wishes, though
Thanks Tex. All will be well, preciate the thoughts.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
If you experience god in your life, and ask the holy spirit to guide you, Things will appear different to you. I wake up in prayer everyday, and choose GOD's will, and ask GOD to send me the holy spirit, to guide me for the day, and understand his word.
The Bible is a holy book, and you need the holy spirit to read and know it.
It's god's will for everyone to know the truth. If you believe in GOD, and you ask him to, he will show you the truth.
As far as the BIBLE, Science, and some of the topics we discussed tonight...
I guess we have to agree to disagree.
God Bless you all, and Good Night.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: If you experience god in your life, and ask the holy spirit to guide you, Things will appear different to you. I wake up in prayer everyday, and choose GOD's will, and ask GOD to send me the holy spirit, to guide me for the day, and understand his word.
The Bible is a holy book, and you need the holy spirit to read and know it.
It's god's will for everyone to know the truth. If you believe in GOD, and you ask him to, he will show you the truth.
As far as the BIBLE, Science, and some of the topics we discussed tonight...
I guess we have to agree to disagree.
God Bless you all, and Good Night.
"ask the holy spirit to guide you,"
yup...and I get a much different result--you *sure* you did your homework? lol, my holy spirit guide helps me figger things out...
Posted by Upside on :
The bible is a handbook, a manual of sorts. I'm not saying it's all false. There's lessons to be learned from it if understood and applied to the current times. An example, there's a passage (old testament) that states that if a woman rides a horse while she is having her period (I'm paraphrasing), the horse must be destroyed. Now that might have been the belief in those days. If you raise horses for a living today, are you going to abide by that rule?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: If you experience god in your life, and ask the holy spirit to guide you, Things will appear different to you. I wake up in prayer everyday, and choose GOD's will, and ask GOD to send me the holy spirit, to guide me for the day, and understand his word.
The Bible is a holy book, and you need the holy spirit to read and know it.
It's god's will for everyone to know the truth. If you believe in GOD, and you ask him to, he will show you the truth.
As far as the BIBLE, Science, and some of the topics we discussed tonight...
I guess we have to agree to disagree.
God Bless you all, and Good Night.
"ask the holy spirit to guide you,"
yup...and I get a much different result--you *sure* you did your homework? lol, my holy spirit guide helps me figger things out...
I'm happy for you TEX
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: If you experience god in your life, and ask the holy spirit to guide you, Things will appear different to you. I wake up in prayer everyday, and choose GOD's will, and ask GOD to send me the holy spirit, to guide me for the day, and understand his word.
The Bible is a holy book, and you need the holy spirit to read and know it.
It's god's will for everyone to know the truth. If you believe in GOD, and you ask him to, he will show you the truth.
As far as the BIBLE, Science, and some of the topics we discussed tonight...
I guess we have to agree to disagree.
God Bless you all, and Good Night.
"ask the holy spirit to guide you,"
yup...and I get a much different result--you *sure* you did your homework? lol, my holy spirit guide helps me figger things out...
I'm happy for you TEX
well, dang, Ace--you're a daisy of well wishes--appreciate the kind thoughts.
Don't give up your day-job, though: you cain't debate worth two dead flies...
Hey! dudn't mean you're a bad guy--you simply don't have those skills...
best,
-- tex
Posted by Upside on :
Ace, Have you ever eaten a strip of bacon?
Posted by Hannibull on :
Chavez calls Bush "devil"
so I guess now satanists will all convert to christianity?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Ace, Have you ever eaten a strip of bacon?
WTF? is this? you answer questions with TV commercials?
I just want to say I understand respect your view.
There's holes in the evidence about the age of the earth.
I trust the writers of the Bible. And you trust the authors of Science papers and books.
You're just going by what scientists have said. And they are just feeding off of what they were taught in School. They make a living by publishing papers, that's their motivation for their "theories" or "discoveries" money and ego.
Like I said, I trust the writers of the Bible. And you trust the authors of Science papers and books.
Sorry about the editing, thing.
translated.... i call myself Christian so i can't be nasty and call you a liar outright... but you are... scientists are Satans spawn dedicated to tricking people right into hell. there are no fossils, they are just rocks cunningly carved by the devil so that museums can steal from us. they do this for money because they have to. if everybody just beleived in the Bible enough? we'd never need anything no food no medicine no nothing...
baaaahhhh!
Posted by Upside on :
He can't or won't admit to his hypocrisy. He trusts the writers of the bible and lives his life according to it's lessons......when they suit him.
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: If you experience god in your life, and ask the holy spirit to guide you, Things will appear different to you. I wake up in prayer everyday, and choose GOD's will, and ask GOD to send me the holy spirit, to guide me for the day, and understand his word.
The Bible is a holy book, and you need the holy spirit to read and know it.
It's god's will for everyone to know the truth. If you believe in GOD, and you ask him to, he will show you the truth.
As far as the BIBLE, Science, and some of the topics we discussed tonight...
I guess we have to agree to disagree.
God Bless you all, and Good Night.
I usually get the same effects from a nice fat JOINT.. Posted by bdgee on :
"The Bible is a holy book, and you need the holy spirit to read and know it."
In other words, in order to believe anything it says, you have to have already made an arbitrary decision to refuse to consider anything else as real, i.e., to start out believing what the bible says and declaring what it doesn't say as false, in spite of evidence to the contrary.
That is an off-hand announcement that any "open midness" and honesty you may claim is a lie.....hypocracy in other words!
That was Kierkegaard's approach to analytical thinking, hidden under reams of minute data announcements and intricate efforts at logic. He would build brilliant arguments about ethics or causality or whatever, then, negating his initial stated claim to not base everything on Church doctrin, declare Church doctrin to be true and everything else to be work of the devil. It is why I discarde him as an intellect when I was about 14 years old.
Posted by glassman on :
here's what REALLY cracks me up...
is there any difference between calling someone part of the AXIS of EVIL or the Devil incarnate?
not really...
so? Bush is just as loooney tunes as Chavez.....
they are all full of it...
Posted by rimasco on :
Yeah me too... Posted by kittykash on :
and I discarded you, bdgee, as an intellect a week ago.
He didn't imply what you interpreted at all. He implied you have to have an open mind to read and understand it.
Only Jesus was not a hypocract, you are a good demonstration of hypocracy yourself bd
Posted by rimasco on :
Glass c'mon......Chavez actually smelled the sulfur
maybe uganda let one go and lit a match?
Posted by kittykash on :
when one has to prove a point with ridiculous extremes, you've lost before people stop reading your big worded (well done in long winded intellect btw...~) sentences
Posted by rimasco on :
Im a sucker for it every time kitty!
Bdgee had me at "secular parallax"
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Glass c'mon......Chavez actually smelled the sulfur
maybe uganda let one go and lit a match?
nah, it was the bomb sniffing dog... Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by kittykash: when one has to prove a point with ridiculous extremes, you've lost before people stop reading your big worded (well done in long winded intellect btw...~) sentences
it's OK if you don't know who Kierkegaarde is KK....
Posted by kittykash on :
LOL
you guys don't quit on assumptions stated as facts. LOL
"don't pretend to know me, you don't " you said something like that to me, didn't you glassman???
LOL
No, I didn't know who he was, but what about a question there guy? I do now however, no "e" at end of his name.
Posted by glassman on :
gee KK. none of US can say anything right, no matter what? huh?...
it IS ok... LOL
Posted by rimasco on :
Oh by the way "Mr Chavez" if you happen to be reading this forum....I couldnt help but notice your request to have GW's speech analyzed by a psychiatrist. Well for your information, imagining distint smells is a symptom of Schizophrenia..... Posted by bdgee on :
Good. It is clear you were never were nominated.
I wasn't looking for appreciation or acceptannce from ill-mannered loud-mouthed far rightwing religious extreme war mongering Party line puppets.
You choose your own intellectual strata, you know.
(Make thaat stratum, strata might seem to imply dimension or depth.) -------------------------------------------- Glass,
I think too many of dubya's appoligizers and defenders neglected that part of their history lessons from the WWII era.
You know what I mean, where the two opposing sides were denoted as the "Allies" and the "Axis" and it was common to see newspaper headlines and speakers describing the acts of the "Axis of Evil" as work of the devil.
Dubya is a sick puppy. He started out calling various statesmen and political movements devils and unholy and unfit.
Chevez iz a buffoon, hollering at another buffoon that challenged the whole world to a name calling contest.
Does it really matter which bufoon outlast the other, so far as bufoonery goes?
Posted by glassman on :
you know what's really stooopid?
Fox "News" can't shut up about Chavez the Venezuelan "dictator" and how he has so much nerve coming here and "speaking his mind"...
the folks at Fox "news" need to get their facts checked...
according to the CIA?
hief of state: President Hugo CHAVEZ Frias (since 3 February 1999); Vice President Jose Vicente RANGEL Vale (since 28 April 2002); note - the president is both the chief of state and head of government head of government: President Hugo CHAVEZ Frias (since 3 February 1999); Vice President Jose Vicente RANGEL Vale (since 28 April 2002) cabinet: Council of Ministers appointed by the president elections: president elected by popular vote for a six-year term (eligible for a second term); election last held 30 July 2000 (next to be held 3 December 2006) note: in 1999, a National Constituent Assembly drafted a new constitution that increased the presidential term to six years; an election was subsequently held on 30 July 2000 under the terms of this new constitution election results: Hugo CHAVEZ Frias reelected president; percent of vote - Hugo CHAVEZ Frias 59.5%, Francisco ARIAS 37.5%, Claudio FERMIN 3% note: a special presidential recall vote on 15 August 2004 resulted in a victory for CHAVEZ; percent of vote - 58% in favor of CHAVEZ fulfilling the remaining two years of his term, 42% in favor of terminating his presidency immediately
Chavez was elected LOL
Posted by kittykash on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: gee KK. none of US can say anything right, no matter what? huh?...
it IS ok... LOL
you hit it now and again, and then.....back to the same ol same ol
Posted by kittykash on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Good. It is clear you were never were nominated.
I wasn't looking for appreciation or acceptannce from ill-mannered loud-mouthed far rightwing religious extreme war mongering Party line puppets.
You choose your own intellectual strata, you know.
(Make thaat stratum, strata might seem to imply dimension or depth.) -------------------------------------------- Glass,
I think too many of dubya's appoligizers and defenders neglected that part of their history lessons from the WWII era.
You know what I mean, where the two opposing sides were denoted as the "Allies" and the "Axis" and it was common to see newspaper headlines and speakers describing the acts of the "Axis of Evil" as work of the devil.
Dubya is a sick puppy. He started out calling various statesmen and political movements devils and unholy and unfit.
Chevez iz a buffoon, hollering at another buffoon that challenged the whole world to a name calling contest.
Does it really matter which bufoon outlast the other, so far as bufoonery goes?
YES YOU WERE BD, "I DISCARDED HIM AT AGE 14"
loud mouth, because I also speak my mind? loud mouth....lol and listen to you! you prove my point every time. Pretentious so and so
again, you just crack me up
Posted by bdgee on :
I think Hemingway characterizd KK as the wife in “The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber”.
Posted by kittykash on :
I'll let you "intellects" babble your stuff for those that agree with you, and believe you.
left wing wacko (thought I'd throw one at your level bd)
Posted by kittykash on :
I bet that's the only way you could possibly know women, only through the books. Posted by kittykash on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco:
Well I feel that the mass interpretation of a coded book can be debunked on the fact alone that if one piece/word/symbol was interpreted wrong it could change the course of events through out the entire book
example: • Serpent = Satan Revelation 12:9; 20:2 • Tongue = Language / Speech Exodus 4:10 • Wolf = Disguised Enemies Matthew
Lets say wolf was interpreted wrong and it actually means...uhhhhhhh FRIGGEN WOLF!!
get my drift? [/QB]
that is your belief on not knowing the Bible completely. Those that have taken a sentence here and a sentence there can do that, as you say, but that's not knowing the bible.
I can always tell when someone has not read it completely and see how people take parts of it for their own use, make an impact on those that know only bits and pieces.
It' not a matter of interpretation, the Bible as a whole is perfectly clear.
enjoy rim. have a good day all...
Posted by rimasco on :
Breaking News
Washington - President Bush responded to the Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez's speech at the UN assembly where he proceeded to refer to Bush as the Devil. The President had this to say " I called you Devil first! NO BACKSIES! Now im gonna stamp and seal it!" the Venezuelan leaders press secretary had no reply but did seem very concerened when heard that the president "stamped and sealed it"
Posted by bdgee on :
I do see your post and consider them and thier merit. Lots of nastiness, appeal to rituals, name calling, and always from a premiss of absolute single minded righteousness.
And, noting your generosity and bent on society and morality, I keep wondering if KK are your real and true initials and if there is a third and is it also a K?
Oh, and by the way, I appologize for my too difficult sentences with their compound clauses and specificity. It is a weakness I have, not being able to simplify complex issues as simple minded slogans and expecting honest description rather than politically popular jargon to suit the approach of the Party loyal.
Posted by rimasco on :
Thats were i come in
Posted by bdgee on :
"I bet that's the only way you could possibly know women, only through the books."
Is that "know" in the biblical sense?
And you try to pretend you have anything to say that isn't insults and name calling.
Hahahahahaha, you post yourself on the bullitin board!
Posted by rimasco on :
Wow, Bdgee with a strong overhand LEFT!!!
Posted by glassman on :
hey KK... bdgee was a few years slow on the Kierkegaarde thing but we try not to provoke him about it..OK?
Posted by kittykash on :
giggle. I'll lay off, poor guy, I piss him off so bad. chuckle.
we just rub each other the wrong way bd, we dont' agree and that's that. Let's smokem peace pipe, your in, right Rim? hehehe
Posted by kittykash on :
rim = instagator
bd, I am surprised you don't cretique me on my lousy spelling and you could have so many times and actually be right! Your a bigger man for that you know and I recognize it. no one here has, thanks all...
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by kittykash: giggle. I'll lay off, poor guy, I piss him off so bad. chuckle.
we just rub each other the wrong way bd, we dont' agree and that's that. Let's smokem peace pipe, your in, right Rim? hehehe
You silly lil' thang, you.
No I don't bother getting peed at your silly narrow minded name calling attacks.
We have had a long list of "believers" come here with that aim and approach, many of them far far better at debate (though I do "stretch" the meanings of debate when I use it to point at the simple minded utterings of the rightwing hate speach attacking intellect and reason).
You are not making any points not previously attempted by your many predecessors.
I wonder who they are trying to harass with nitwit half-truth and illogically achieved conclusions they started out with and are "stuck to". And I wonder where?
I seldom even mention other's gramatical errors or mis-spellings (maybe in obvious light humor, I might), as that is not a tool of honest intellectual debate....certainly not one I feel any need to apply. It fits in the same barrel of rottenness as name calling and insulting and hollering to drown out the ideas and opinoions of others. (Even and particularly when dubya does it.)
BUSH LIED!
And lied and lied and lied, - - -
And LIES!
He will lie.
Past, present, and future....
Posted by kittykash on :
thank you for arguing my case for me yet again, bd. I truly cannot do it better than you doing it to yourself.
(poor guy )
Posted by rimasco on :
WOW...TRUCE DENIED!!
Posted by cottonjim on :
WAAAAAAAA, KK called me a poopie head, bdg pulled my hair, rim tripped me WAAAAAAA, ACE drank my juice, WAAAA, GEEZ Sometimes you guys act worse than my wifes daycare kids. I'm just saying. So the dark lord happens to be our president, theres another election around the corner and some other looser will take his place and continue to F up the country, but in a much more democratic way. GEEZ.
Posted by glassman on :
don't forget the booger flippin' Posted by cottonjim on :
I left that out because most of them get eaten, not flipped.
Posted by kittykash on :
sorry cottonjim, I didn't think anyone outside this thread would take the time to read this stuff.
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by cottonjim: WAAAAAAAA, KK called me a poopie head, bdg pulled my hair, rim tripped me WAAAAAAA, ACE drank my juice, WAAAA, GEEZ Sometimes you guys act worse than my wifes daycare kids. I'm just saying. So the dark lord happens to be our president, theres another election around the corner and some other looser will take his place and continue to F up the country, but in a much more democratic way. GEEZ.
LOL i didnt know we had spectators. You were doing ok then you contradicted yourself with your opinion.....EEWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Posted by rimasco on :
All right cotton we're gonna have to be broguth up to speed on you really quick to know where your loyalty lies
1.Do you believe in the book of revelations? 2.Do you renounce satan? 3.Do you believe in global warming? 4.Do you agree with the current administration? 5.Do you believe in Santa Clause? 6.Do you believe in using big words to make an opinion seem like fact? 7.Do you believe I should fake my orgasms?
Posted by cottonjim on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco:
quote:Originally posted by cottonjim: WAAAAAAAA, KK called me a poopie head, bdg pulled my hair, rim tripped me WAAAAAAA, ACE drank my juice, WAAAA, GEEZ Sometimes you guys act worse than my wifes daycare kids. I'm just saying. So the dark lord happens to be our president, theres another election around the corner and some other looser will take his place and continue to F up the country, but in a much more democratic way. GEEZ.
LOL i didnt know we had spectators. You were doing ok then you contradicted yourself with your opinion.....EEWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
SO you think my opinion is wrong? Every Pres. screws something up, some worse than others, people are always going to complain, useless drivel in my opinion, in one ear and out the other.
Posted by rimasco on :
I concur...but some people here believe that provided they belong to a particular party they cant FUGK UP!
Posted by cottonjim on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: All right cotton we're gonna have to be broguth up to speed on you really quick to know where your loyalty lies
1.Do you believe in the book of revelations? 2.Do you renounce satan? 3.Do you believe in global warming? 4.Do you agree with the current administration? 5.Do you believe in Santa Clause? 6.Do you believe in using big words to make an opinion seem like fact? 7.Do you believe I should fake my orgasms?
1. Thats some good reading. Fiction usually is. 2. If satan is in a can of beer, no. 3. It's good for the Eskimos. 4. Who's in charge again? 5. Somebody eats the cookies and milk every year. 6. Indubetably. 7. Only if your mom is easily offended.
Posted by kittykash on :
1. hard to say, it will prove itself. 2. yes 3. in which manner man-made or natural 4. yes but not 100%(throw bricks only on this site please) 5. only when he comes to visit 6. no 7. never
chuckle, pretty good there cotton
Posted by cottonjim on :
Ohh, lunch time. And by the way, I'm a Republicrat, I vote the issues not the party.
Posted by rimasco on :
You scored well...had a great wise ass response for every question. My type O guy
You should be BRAWLING with bdgee in no-time!...LMAO!!!
Posted by rimasco on :
Great news...Air America files for bankruptcy
Awwwwwww Poor Stuart Smalley...hes gonna have to find a new sham to bilk! He was funny on SNL....NOT!!!!!!
Air America To Declare Bankruptcy, But Progressive Radio Remains Strong
Air America Radio will announce a major restructuring on Friday, which is expected to include a bankruptcy filing, three independent sources have told ThinkProgress.
Air America could remain on the air under the deal, but significant personnel changes are already in the works. Sources say five Air America employees were laid off yesterday and were told there would be no severance without capital infusion or bankruptcy. Also, Air America has ended its relationship with host Jerry Springer.
The right wing is sure to seize on Air America’s financial woes as a sign that progressive talk radio is unpopular. In fact, Air America succeeded at creating something that didn’t exist: the progressive talk radio format. That format is now established and strong and will continue with or without Air America. Indeed, many of the country’s most successful and widely-syndicated progressive talk hosts — Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller, for instance — aren’t even associated with Air America.
Radio giant Clear Channel is so committed to progressive talk radio that, this week, it will announce a partnership with the Center for American Progress and MSS Inc. to conduct a nationwide search for the next Progressive Talk Radio Star.
Posted by kittykash on :
"The right wing is sure to seize on Air America’s financial woes as a sign that progressive talk radio is unpopular. In fact, Air America succeeded at creating something that didn’t exist: the progressive talk radio format.."
is that what they call it "progressive" lol.
that is so funny....
it's talk radio,,,,period! lol liberals would come up with a b/s discription. airhead america.... who listens?
Posted by glassman on :
airhead america.... who listens?
that's correct
liberals tend to go to college and learn to think for themselves rather than be told what to think by other idiots..
Posted by kittykash on :
oh you are soooo right glassman
conservatives have no education they don't read for themselves they don't think for themselves they believe whatever anyone says to them
hmmm, how come they don't believe the educated liberals? How in the world does the empty headed sheep know whom to believe and listen to? Especially with Hollywood telling us what to think so loudly? TV Media MUSIC etc... Are you sure the conservatives are the sheep? I just don't believe you and I have no clue how I got to that conclusion
liberals go to college and get education from liberals. How some are strong enough to come out with their own mind is getting rarer.
[ September 21, 2006, 14:09: Message edited by: kittykash ]
Posted by rimasco on :
Glass are you a birkenstock wearing Lib in a Repuplican suit?
Posted by glassman on :
birkenstock? how about a quote? what's the symbol?
is that one of Warren Buffets spinoffs from Berkshire Hat-thaway?
FYI? Geroge Lucas just gave the GDP of Arkansas and Missississississippi combined to USC...
these conservative states are such wonderful places to live tho Posted by rimasco on :
Birkenstocks are a brand of filp-flops popular in colleges
Posted by rimasco on :
wow 175mill...USC could use it....for uhhh new helmets!
Posted by glassman on :
oh, hawwhaaw..
i wear Tony Lama's but they don't flip or flop...
Posted by cottonjim on :
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: You scored well...had a great wise ass response for every question. My type O guy
You should be BRAWLING with bdgee in no-time!...LMAO!!!
<-------- puts on boxing gloves and a tutu, perfect. Let's get it on!!!!
Posted by rimasco on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: oh, hawwhaaw..
i wear Tony Lama's but they don't flip or flop...
Ya'll means business wit dem dere, I rekon!!
Posted by rkitch on :
Saw Chavez's name on this board several times with people making jokes, fun and games. Just put my CITGO card through the shredder and sent it back to the scum. Didn't even realize that I had been contributing to the scum bag.
Posted by bdgee on :
The days when you got gasoline made by Citgo or by Gulf or by Exxon if you bought at a place with their name are long ago.
They all get their deliveries from a common storage facility now and they all pipe it to the same storage facilities.
Neither Chaves nor dubya is about to alter the deliveries to the U.S., because it would just cost more to transport it from the middle east or the west coast (and to take it from Venesuala to China), cutting into profits, which are their only real concerns.
Posted by rkitch on :
Trust me I understand economics. I understand greed. I understand capitalism. I understand communism. The CITGO COMPANY is now STATE run. Does it make sense to give to the state of CHAVEZ??
Posted by bdgee on :
It won't matter if you do or don't. The crude will still come to new orleans just like it does now.
If evey person in the country refused to buy at Citgo stations, Exxon would still buy it from Chavez.
Remenmber...greed....capitalism.....communism.....
Posted by rkitch on :
bdgee, would like to debate with you sometime because it is ironic that where you speak from right now is Fort Worth. My introduction to capitalism, communism, greed, President Johnson, Vietnam. 7BW, Carswell, AFB, 1968. Then you can tell me about oil, Chavez, the economy.Then maybe you can bring me up to date why I did what I did tonight. Then tell everyone else.
Posted by bdgee on :
Do you know or want to?
I don't "teach" anymore, so maybe you could find another.
(It no longer is Carswell A.F.B., which Chaney did in because there were too many democrats here. After ward, it was "reformed" by Congress to become Naval Air Station-Fort Worth.)
Posted by rkitch on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Do you know or want to?
I don't "teach" anymore, so maybe you could find another.
(It no longer is Carswell A.F.B., which Chaney did in because there were too many democrats here. After ward, it was "reformed" by Congress to become Naval Air Station-Fort Worth.)
Posted by rkitch on :
don't "teach" anymore, so maybe you could find another
Posted by rkitch on :
You lost me bdgee. But maybe we will agree on a good stock to buy, lol.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." - Karl Rove
Hey Republicans! Your own party leaders trade on your stupidity. Maybe it's time to prove them wrong?
quote:Originally posted by glassman: airhead america.... who listens?
that's correct
liberals tend to go to college and learn to think for themselves rather than be told what to think by other idiots..
Posted by glassman on :
oooh this isn't fair, not fair at all
i've been voting republican all my life, and i'm still not doing better...
what am i doing wrong?
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
Gee. It don't make no sense! Posted by bdgee on :
"what am i doing wrong?
In recent years, voting for the candidate "listed" under "Republican Party".
Those ain't the guys you grew up respectin.
Those aren't even honorable Americans. Honorable Americans "follow" the Constitution, they do not misconstrue it and claim the Founding Fathers never ment us to have rights.
What those are are a bunch of fascist only interested in the Party, not the Country.
Posted by rimasco on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: [QB] That's very true, glassman. Rove himself said so.
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." - Karl Rove
Anybody who would vote for sombody before they even heard the issues is a FUGKING MORON! - Chris Rock
Hey Democrats your own party leaders trade on your stupidity. Maybe its time to prove them wrong?
Posted by bdgee on :
Looks like somebody isn't following the train of thought too pretty good at all.
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