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I fish to eat, not just for sport. My brother and I fish usually starting in April through October. Usually we break for July because the bite is way off.
Some days it's as though we don't fish. Can't catch 'em, other days we knock 'em dead. You ever get up this way, let us know, we'll throw lines with you.
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here in the MS delta? you can't eat the fish cuz of the agricultural runoff.... thanx to farmers, all the way up into Canada....
Fish Tissue Quality in the Lower Mississippi River - Between 1990 and 1994, the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality (LDEQ), in coordination with the US EPA, collected samples of 3 shellfish and 16 fish species at 6 sites along the lower Mississippi River. Organic compound and heavy metal concentrations were measured in 161 composite fish tissue samples where each composite included 3 to 10 individual fish. Nineteen chemicals, found at measurable concentrations in the sample tissues, were used in calculations of cancer and non-cancer risks due to fish consumption. LDEQ calculated: 574 chemical-specific cancer risks; 41 total cancer risks; and 697 margins of exposure based on a fish consumption rate of one 8-ounce meal per week, a body weight of 70 kg, and reported cancer potency factors and reference doses. LDEQ found 9 fish species of concern based on total cancer risk greater than 10(-4) or a margin of exposure greater than 1. These species included the blue catfish, carp, channel catfish, cobia, crayfish, flathead catfish, red drum, spotted gar and striped bass. Chemical contaminants responsible for the elevated cancer risks were aldrin, dieldrin, alpha-benzene hexachloride, gamma-benzene hexachloride, heptachlor epoxide, arsenic, and mercury.
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Contact: Liz Hitchcock, 202-546-9707 New Report Finds 20 States Increased Warnings for Mercury in Fish in 2003 Controversial Bush Plan Would Delay Cleanup for at Least 10 Years
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The Trinity River from near my neighborhood at least to Lake Livingston is no good, cuz of the Metroblister (D/FW)... which is a crying shame, cuz that estuary is quite important. But there's still lotssa good water, here.
every place you go? they got signs up saying don't eat this don't eat that....
basically? the thresh-hold i show old the fish are...
it's mostly pesticide run-off... these are all pesticides or the metabolites of pesticides... aldrin, dieldrin, alpha-benzene hexachloride, gamma-benzene hexachloride, heptachlor epoxide, arsenic....
mercury is another story....
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Yep, all through the pulpwood paper milling south east, from the Atlantic to deep into East Texas, mercury is a worse problem that pesticides, mostly because the giant paper corporations play the various legeslatures and governors and the U.S. Forest Service like they were honkytonk blues guitars.
I had more than one round with them when I lived in that part of the world.
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I know that I am coming into this tail end charlie but if you look at most wars when they started to keep records from wwII on it is the civilians that really take the hit and the military a lot less. Plain and simple a civilian is in more danger today in a war zone than somebody in the military. And that is terrible
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JERUSALEM - The Israeli military's inquiry on the bombing of a building in the south Lebanese village of Qana that killed 56 civilians admits a mistake but charges that Hezbollah guerrillas used civilians as human shields for their rocket attacks, a statement early Thursday said.
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In a statement summarizing the inquiry findings, the military said Israel did not know there were civilians in the building.
"Had the information indicated that civilians were present ... the attack would not have been carried out," the statement said.
The bombing followed guidelines regarding attacking "suspicious structures" in villages where civilians have been warned to evacuate, the statement said, adding that Hezbollah forces "use civilian structures inside villages to store weaponry and hide in after launching rocket attacks."
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It's easy to not know something when you don't care enough to find out.
quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: Israel admits mistakes in deadly raid
By MARK LAVIE, Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM - The Israeli military's inquiry on the bombing of a building in the south Lebanese village of Qana that killed 56 civilians admits a mistake but charges that Hezbollah guerrillas used civilians as human shields for their rocket attacks, a statement early Thursday said.
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In a statement summarizing the inquiry findings, the military said Israel did not know there were civilians in the building.
"Had the information indicated that civilians were present ... the attack would not have been carried out," the statement said.
The bombing followed guidelines regarding attacking "suspicious structures" in villages where civilians have been warned to evacuate, the statement said, adding that Hezbollah forces "use civilian structures inside villages to store weaponry and hide in after launching rocket attacks."
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That's precisely the problem with all war. Civilians pay with their lives while the real cuplrits usually go unharmed.
See: Osama Bin Laden
quote:Originally posted by bond006: I know that I am coming into this tail end charlie but if you look at most wars when they started to keep records from wwII on it is the civilians that really take the hit and the military a lot less. Plain and simple a civilian is in more danger today in a war zone than somebody in the military. And that is terrible
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Sheikh Nasrallah threatened Israel, saying: "You wanted an open war and we are ready for an open war."
The Hezbollah leader promised "war on every level". He said the Israeli coastal city of Haifa would come under attack, "and believe me, even beyond Haifa".
"Our homes will not be the only ones to be destroyed, our children will not be the only ones to die," he said.
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In late January, tens of thousands of people lined the road leading from Beirut International Airport into the capital to greet the return of 23 Lebanese militants recently released from Israeli prisons. Fireworks lit the sky above the predominantly Shiite southern suburbs of Beirut and street celebrations continued late into the night. Equally exuberant, if less flashy, festivities took place in the West Bank and Gaza as over 400 Palestinian prisoners returned to their homes. The homecoming of so many people accused of planning or carrying out violence against Israelis did not result from a breakthrough in the peace process - indeed, it came just hours after the deadliest suicide bombing to hit Israel in months. In exchange for its mass repatriation of Arab combatants, the Jewish state obtained the release of a single Israeli citizen (and the remains of three others) held by the militant Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah movement.
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Natural resources, Do not forget please that Israeli soldiers who shot and killed Palestinian children, ages 5-6, and an American for "target practice." And they were acquitted by the Jewish court system two days before that release of 400 Palestinians. The 400 people were not all accused of planning or carrying out violence.
And do not forget, Hezbollah formed out of the ashes of Sabra and Shatila massacres in Southern Lebanon. It was an action carried out by Christian Phalange militia, supported by IDF and directed by Ariel Sharon.
I am not against Israel, but we need to be honest in our look at Israel/Palestine. Atrocities have occured on both sides, committed from both sides.
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I am not against Israel, but we need to be honest in our look at Israel/Palestine. Atrocities have occured on both sides, committed from both sides.
pointless..... that's no solution... just an excuse...
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Adolph's gas chambers were atrocities and he had a distinct point: exterminate jews.
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"Adolph's gas chambers were atrocities and he had a distinct point: exterminate jews"
No, the gas chambers are an inanimate object, thus they are not atrocities, in specific. The specific atrocity connected to the gas chambers is Hitler's gassing of Jews and other ethnic minorities, homosexuals and whatever his friends considered genetic misfits. But make no mistake, they were still pointless, no matter the point he was trying to make, Bdgee.
"pointless..... that's no solution... just an excuse..."
Acknowledging where the problem came from is part of the solution. The rest I set out in another thread.
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a·troc·i·ty Audio pronunciation of "atrocity" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-trs-t) n. pl. a·troc·i·ties
1. Appalling or atrocious condition, quality, or behavior; monstrousness. 2. An appalling or atrocious act, situation, or object, especially an act of unusual or illegal cruelty inflicted by an armed force on civilians or prisoners.
Even were an atrocity restricted to being an act rather than a thing, then I reword:
The use of Adolph's gas chambers was an atrocity and he had a distinct point: exterminate jews.
The problems you are trying to say came from activities of Clintoin came from dubya's idiocy and sheer neglect.
You need to acknowledge the simple fact that hating Clinton isn't a solution to anything, specially correcting the mess dubya has gottn the world into.
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"You need to acknowledge the simple fact that hating Clinton isn't a solution to anything, specially correcting the mess dubya has gottn the world into."
Iwish, Clinton and Bush both failed us. You need to acknowledge that.
"then I reword"
That's nice but are you now speaking for bdgee?
"dubya's idiocy"
This type of hate language closes minds to your message.
"hating Clinton"
I express no hatred of Clinton. I was disappointed in him and remain so. He let 5,000,000 persons of color die for the sake of staying in power. His inaction led to the on-going genocide in Sudan. They admit it themselves, Bill Clinton has said Rwanda was his biggest mistake.
Also, you say:
"The problems you are trying to say came from activities of Clintoin came from dubya's idiocy and sheer neglect."
Untrue. There are two seperate issues. I blame Clinton's inactivity in Africa for the genocide in Africa and failure to get UBL when he had three clear opportunities. I blame GB for not having an exit strategy for Iraq. Is that not saying both have let us down? I blame GB for GITMO, is that not pointing to his failing?
You APPEAR to proceed from the assumption that I support GB, which is a false assumption as we have been through.
On the subject of Israel/Palestine, which is the topic I was commenting upon, I was merely pointing out that lest we seek to demonize the Palestinian people group, we should remember why they are acting the way they are so we avoid the same mistakes in the future. That does not mean stop preventing the attacks on Israel, but it means begin laying the groundwork for a peace that lasts beyond re-arming and re-populating. It's that annoying premise I have that our actions now should reflect our desire to never commit troops to battle again. I have the impression that we are of an accord in this regard.
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That's partially true, but this "President's" endless bungling and stupidity has made Clinton, Carter, Nixon, and even Bush Sr. look like golden Gods by comparison.
On the bright side, he's good for a laugh. I can't think of anyone else who has succeeded by failing as often as W.
quote:Originally posted by Griffon: Iwish, Clinton and Bush both failed us. You need to acknowledge that.
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"Yeah, you are a Clinton hater (first, second, third , and finally) and a terribly prolific and insulting one, Griffon. And you go on and on and on......"
No insult at all. I find it rather amusing that you keep insisting I hate Clinton. Obviously you aren't trying to tell me what I think. As a former Democrat, I am calling upon my party to wake up. That you refuse to wake up about the situation in Africa, which would be a winnable issue for Dems by the way, is what has gone tragically wrong with the party that used to espouse a Human Rights foreign policy.
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yes having logicians' debates is fun to me. If you feel over-whelmed or insulted, there are many other threads I leave you to enjoy in peace. Why the fascination with what I say?
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That you refuse to wake up about the situation in Africa, which would be a winnable issue for Dems by the way, is what has gone tragically wrong with the party that used to espouse a Human Rights foreign policy.
as a former and current GOP? i say you are full of it....
nobody in America right now (except a few nut cases) is interested in invading other countries to "fix them"... GOP or Dem... that is because we are currently stuck with the war in Iraq for the next several years...
and? we are facing down Iran and N. Korea...
you have great ideals griffo... but we live in the real world....
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so do I glass. And that real world is what we must fight to change. I want a better world for our next generations. Thank you for commenting on the ideals. I think you have good and sincere conviction as well. You and I differ on how we will achieve that better real world and that is okay.
"interested in invading other countries to "fix them"..."
But we are obliged to under UN conventions that we have signed. We are in effect ignoring the genocide in Sudan to this day. I say the world will not get better on its own, we have to struggle, even to rage against the dying of the light. Besides as I will post another thread in a minute: the US doesn't need to do it all. But we can focus a light on world situations until the world community deals with the issue.
For one, even when we disagree Glass, I enjoy our "sparring" sessions, and I do say that for lack of a better descriptor, because it helps me think through issues. I am not afraid to disagree strongly and still see a fellow person across the table trying to make sense of it all too. That's why I often say when I'm leaving, pick it up tomorrow. These boards are a diversion, but they also give me pause to think.
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"yes having logicians' debates is fun to me. If you feel over-whelmed or insulted, there are many other threads I leave you to enjoy in peace. Why the fascination with what I say?"
Looking up at the framed logicians credentials hanging on the wall of my office, believe me, there is never going to be the chance I will feel "overwhelmed" by the excuse for reason and logic you put forth.
I have asked before, more than once, that you refrain from insult and crude declarations of what others think or do. You clearly have no idea of what others think or do or you wouldn't be so constantly off base.
Unless you actually are simple minded enough to imagine people like it when you equate them to insignificance and evil. Should that be the case and you are actually that stupid, then just quit anyway as it offensive, crude, and immature.
I am tired of asking!
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But we are obliged to under UN conventions that we have signed
the UN? Bush has nearly broken the UN.. we won't know if it can survive 'til after the Iran issue...
if you go back to the beginning of the Iraq war? Bush's people told US it would cost 80 billion and take months...not 6 to 7billion a month for years....
and? they said Iraq is a wealthy nation that can bear the cost of the war...LOL....
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You and your brother have NEVER treated the people here with respect.
Any time anyone questions one of your claims or corrects some thing you claim, rather than admitting that fact or encorporating it into your knowledge, you respond, just as you have now, with an insulting remark, declaring them unfit to be. It isn't respect, you display, it is contempt.
Now, watch, rather than listening and learning, you or your brother or both will choose retaliation and call me some name or make some intended vile insinuation. You have no honor or character, just gall and arrogance.
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Glassman, You make excellent points. To cite the UN in defense of Bush administration policy is nothing more than a bad joke.
Bdgee, I understand your frustration. Like most intelligent people, I enjoy a spirited debate. Thus, the evasive and boorish non-responses Griffon consistently spews forth are particularly exasperating.
Don't let the turkeys get you down.
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GB and bdgee, since I offer no evasive answers, and as my posts showed you are completely wrong on my usage of religio-phobia and Islamofascism, let's get to the real issue. How should the world community respond to the killing of so many people in the town many consider to be the Biblical site of Jesus' first miracle?
Glass said: "the UN? Bush has nearly broken the UN"
No, it has been dying for a long time, but Oil for Food, which is not connected to Bush, is the nail in the coffin.
Let's face it, bdgee you saying I have been rude and boorish is like the pot calling the kettle black. GB, as an intelligent person who likes spirited debate, I look forward to our conversations. In fact, I have set aside almost the whole weekend to sit on this computer o chat with you all. It is fun, and I continue to learn from the lively debates. I was told when I first came on here, by Glass, that "we all like to pretend we're right about everything" or some such statement. Well I took it to heart. As have you all in our debates. Fun time isn't it?
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Glass, you can't see the UN is a dying institution? Go look at what I presented for a renewed UN. Then let's talk.
"we aren't buying your lies griffo..you aren't centrist... you aren't left-leaning.."
Since I don't lie and back everything I say up with facts, we know I am a centrist, you just range so far to the left, I seem conservative. Let's face it you and I are trying to do the same thing to the parties we love. I am harsh in criticism of the Dems and you are harsh in condemning the Republicans. I have no problem with the effort to reform both parties, but let's be honest with who we are. Either you and I are both genuine in seeking to save our parties or you are a Republico-Democrat. Now there's a made up word.
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