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and in general the women SHOULD be content to allow the men to feel this becasue it encourages them to behave better...LOL ruff ruf, oink oink...LOL

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I don't see God in the terrorists! I don't see him in those who rape others; those who have deliberately murdered their own people, or deliberately murdered innocent people, just because they are different, and I believe in a place called hell! You may think of me as narrow-minded, but Jesus mentions it several times in the Bible! Matthew 7 13 and 14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, (hell) and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and (narrow) is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 13:42, 49 and 50 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. There is also a heaven! The way to heaven is also narrow! As it says in Luke 18:25, For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Those not in the book of Life! Revelation 20:7 to 15. These are not my words, but if you believe in a God, they are the Words that God claims are His!!
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Where have I ever condemned anyone in this forum? Please show me, because I only want to be a witness for Jesus!
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My husband corrected me! He has been healed of alcoholism, for over seventeen years now!
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God and Satan are partners - part of the same process of cosmic counsciousness where good and evil both emanate, and wher both are purpose-serving (evil is good in the big picture). War is necessary, and will always be, until the last person standing.

A material present is a holonomic interference precipitate created by quantum computation of the non-material past (wave function collapses) and the non-material future (wave functions uncollapsed). Each such "material present" pulses on in succession - the universe blinks on and off in quantum leaps.

We are connected to All via quantum entanglement (where everything is ONE).

David Bohm had it right!


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it is all about the spin....the electron can never be separated from the space around it....
BECAUSE space has mass...LOL so simple...

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the trinity shows up everywhere too.....


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Oh yes, that's so simple! God will be the last one standing!
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Kate, i told you early on that i had deep reservation about the Faith of ANY politician....


" St. Peter asserts the same identity when he thus remonstrates with Ananias (Acts 5:3-4): "Why hath Satan tempted thy heart, that thou shouldst lie to the Holy Ghost . . . ? Thou hast not lied to men, but to God."

the Holy Ghost is what conects the universe together...it's all in there if you know the right questions to ask....


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Yes, the Holy Spirit is the power! He also lives inside each true Christian believer! It is true, you have to answer to God, for your lies, but I don't believe Bush has lied! If he has, on Judgement Day, he will answer to God for it, and so will we!
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NOT ME---I tried to warn you....


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Why not you? Are you better than other people?
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Sorry, I misunderstood! Hubby pointed out what you meant! I think I've said all I can say about this subject for now! It is up to each one of us, what we want to believe, or not want to believe. I can only pass on what is in my heart!
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no, i mispoke, i meant that i won't answer for the blood that has been spilled....
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Kate, i understand why you don't want to talk anymore, but i want you to think very hard about this.....

the Holy Ghost is in EVERYBODY.....


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I don't believe that is true Glass, because the Holy Spirit won't be going to hell someday, and there are people that the Bible says are going to go to hell! If he is living in them, they will go to heaven. If he is not, they will go to hell!
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Look, I only share this stuff with you, because I care about you all! I don't like to argue about it, Glass! Like I said, I can't really say anything else, because I've said everything I felt led to say! It is up to you guys, what you believe!
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i apreciate that Kate...and---right back at you....
remember awhile back when i said the bible was written as if to children and that we are improving, but not very grownup yet?

i don't like people that take advantage of other peoples faith very much....


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your all a bunch of whackjobs,

I am god!

I love that, i've said it before too, scary.

Art, I love the conversational work you do.

Ric, the funniest part of that map was california was so red i couldn't find the state lines.

i had to skip a lot of the religous argument etc.... it gets a little slow on me, i'm more of a believe what you want kind of guy. just behave so we don't have to kill you.

enjoy the day, art, i like one of them swingers....


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i think it was that tything thing that got everything so whacked.....

been trying to figure out how they pull that part off so smooth...

everybody complains about taxes to
the government, but church taxes? they just line up and fight to give the most......


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Yes, the Bible was written as for children, what I can't understand, is why so many supposedly intelligent people, can't understand the most simple things in it! It's not all written in parables! Jesus point blank told them the way it is, but no one pays attention!
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Got to remember too, that most people think of California, they think people everywhere. Its not true. If you live in San Diego, LA, or San Francisco and the surrounding areas, yes. But most of California is mountains and desert.

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Let's not confuse the actions with who we are. The actions of the terrorists i condemn. But the terrorists think weare terrorists killing their children.
Who are we to be in the muiddle east? I rather see this country use the resources to develop solar energy and no dependency on those that use the money we give them to harm us.
But, at the core we all have an innocence. We all are conditioned but if we break thru the chains, we all are godlike.
My little one got angry at me cause i made her wear warm pajamas and tried to hit me. But, I know that her actions are not who she is. In 2 minutes she wanted to be held.
Anger she used because I did something she did not like but as a mom, i want her warm when she sleeps.
The terrorists have anger and hatred towards us partly because we have created the picture.

All reality is cocreated and we reap what we sow.
I will defend this country but the policies we have i dont think are i the best interests of the american folks.


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The evolutionary conditioning will not be put into awareness in this lifetime. Hatred breeds hatred and war goes on...
But hope for humanity is in the awareness of who we are. What is necessary is consciousness raising among the masses.
There is hope because at eh essence we all are good. Thats my beief. In the meantime, in this temporal existence, I will defend myself and all i love against anyone that poses harm.

But, I will not add to the hatred. I teach my kids to be good people but assert themselvews. I teach them early on good and bad in the world. In the end, maybe all is good and in our collective experience, all is necessary for the collective awareness of who we are.
we all choose between good and bad deeds daily an d i try very hard to be the best person i can to add to the positive energy in this world. But i am human,and i can be angered but as i grow, i am angered less.


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i have two things to say...

1. As for this whole red state versus blue state thing, people who get all inflamed about it and call one "color" a bunch of nasty names seem to be forgetting one thing...Every one of these people is a human, and they are just as smart as you, so before you get all angry and call half of the country city-dwelling, know-nothing atheists who don't care about America and prefer Canada, just remember that those "blue" people are just as American as you, they were born here too, and they love their country too. So get a grip, it is not red against blue. That is a tribal mentality of "us versus them" and it tends to influence how you perceive the world but doesn't actually change reality. So for the love of America, stop calling people red and blue.

2. Listening to a group of Christians argue about the nature of God is like listening to a group of children argue about the nature of a Unicorn. At the end of the day, has anyone actually seen it? (aside from Kate of course, who converses daily with her best friend Jesus). There is humanity, art, and beauty in religion, but when you start acting righteous about it and when you turn your brain off (ahem KATE) you are missing out on all of it.

sorry I know you guys hate me but for some reason I sometimes really feel like posting....


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Duncan the whole religion issue had to be played to keep people from thinking about the real issues....
like the deficit,the war, and the prices of everything we buy....
the grocery store prices are double, but the govt. has been saying that inflation is down...they are liars....
i used to eat rib-steak TWICE a weak when it was 3.99/lb....
now i (almost) pay that for hamburger....
and tomatoes? they cost more than the burgers.....LOL

it's a shell game....

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Yes, I do talk to my best friend Jesus in prayer every single day of my life! And apparently, lots of people have seen unicorns, if you believe in scripture! Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn. Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn;he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones and pierce them through with his arrows. Deuteronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns; with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh. Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. I have five more if you want them! I'm not being righteous, I'm just sharing the scripture! God loves you, just the same as He loves me! I've no problem with that, why do you?
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Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast our your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master; but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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Kate, doesn't it bother you that the God of the old testamnet is the satan of the new testament....

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Glass you really should quit smoking that stuff. To come up with that, I just don't know about ya.

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Not when Jesus is the same as the Father! And the Holy Spirit. They are all God! That is the trinity! Three in one! The God of the Old Testament, is the same as the one in the New, and the one in the future! Doesn't bother me at all! It's hard to understand sometimes, but I can't presume to know what God is thinking, so I just watch Him do whatever, and trust Him, and have faith.
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timberman, you don't need to be rude, you guys are letting too much steam build up in your boilers....not safe.......i can show you dozens of SERIOUS, FAITHFUL, biblical scholars that support that idea...i didn't make it up....
eye for an eye or turn the other cheek?

and since when does fasting for 40 days NOT cause serious hallucinations?....heck, after that you don't even need to breathe any of the smoke from the burning bush to have a vision....stone tablets or not...


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Well, I have a question. If we all come from Adam and Eve or better yet Noah since everyone was supposed to be wiped out in the flood and Noah's family replenished the earth. Why are we not all Jewish? Why was god's children slaves under Egypt? Wouldn't Egyptians be gods people too? Aren't they decendants of Noah?

Also, why doesn't Jews embrace Islam as jews. I mean that Islam was started when the son of Abraham and his son's servent mother left after Abrahams wife had a child. His son and his mother went out to now Iraq and found a dry well. Abraham's son dropped a stone in the well and water sprang forth and the Islam faith began.

So why are the jews the choosen people. Was it that they wrote the text that became the bible. Sorta of like the christians wrote the new testament. Just questions. I mean The Jews wrote the old testament (at least what we christian want to translate), Christian's wrote the new Testament, and Muslium's wrote the Koran. Yet we are to believe that man did not write these without bias. And if that is true and the bible is to be taken literally then a women has no place to tell a man what to do, at least thats what the bible says.

Ric

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Moses didn't fast for forty days, to get the ten commandments Glass! Exodus 19 And it wasn't just him, that heard the Lord. He traveled with the children of Israel, as a cloud by day, and fire by night, because the people couldn't look upon Him, and live! Exodus 40
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Glass biblical scholars is a vary losely used term now days. Too many people have volumes of information stored up in there brains but when it comes to common sense the old circuit is just open somewhere. I could get into a long discussion about this but I'll cut to the quick. God in Exodus 21:24 was setting up a government for the recently freed people of Isreal from Egypt. Eye for an Eye was part of the Rights of Persons. Jesus was speaking to a more personal level between people. As in to be forgiving to each other. Matt. 5:39, Luke 6:29. Its like this! Being angry at someone harms the one holding the anger, more than the one who caused one to be angry. Which can in turn cause evil or harm. On another note I'm sorry about the smoking thing. I've said before I'm not the most eloquant writer and sometimes come across to strong. I apologize.
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