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the Russians have their own problems with Islam.
when all is said and done in Iraq, will it be an Islamic nation?--when we give them the freedom to choose, what will their choice be? what will we do if we don't like their choice?
Iraq was non-secular under Hussein.fighting Iran no less.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: my recollections were (since you ask) that as the Gulf War (a correct war that i suport-ed)ended, we encouraged an uprising in Iraq. Saddam gassed his people to put it down and THE WHOLE WORLD stood by and watched.
He had been gassing people in another war..with Iran....(which by the way is where MOST of these mass graves you hear about come from)
and he built his (old) WMD infrastructure using US$ and German engineering.....
he invaded Kuwait after getting what he believed to be the green light from the US state Dept......(he misinterpreted the signals to suit his own needs) all well documented......
We created Saddam...like it or not...he came to power under our guidance...
what i am annoyed about here is that the truth does hurt, and nobody seems willing to confront it. we did not invade a sovereign nation to free it's repressed peoples...we went in to confiscate nonexistent WMD. And those Al-Queda connections? not.......
those unwilling to acknowledge their mistakes are doomed to repeat them
righteousness scares me........
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I never said we didn't create Saddam. Glass on the WMD part, let me ask you a question. You have a neighbor, you know he isn't all there, He is a known killer. The neighbor on your other side says "Hey glassman, I hear the guy next door has a few guns in his house and plans to kill your wife and kids." Then another neighbor comes over and say he definatly has guns and planning on using them on your family. Would you sit around and wait for your family to get attacked? Just curious.
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[QUOTE Then another neighbor comes over and say he definatly has guns and planning on using them on your family. Would you sit around and wait for your family to get attacked? Just curious. [/B][/QUOTE]
of course not..... but i also know better than to take out my own gun and blow his head off cuz i WILL go to jail(in most states) unless he has brought a gun INSIDE MY HOUSE....front porch doesn't even count in most states(i'm not sure about Texas)....
seems to me that's what Bush did.
the evidence is not even in question.
Bush was GRANTED the authority by the congress to make the decision to go to war.
congress DID NOT vote directly on it. the american people did not support it (according to polls)
Bush made the decision against the advice of MANY inside the pentagon, the state dept and the UN...... now he says he did the right thing...... and he admits that it was unpopular....
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Iraq war my opinion big bush screwed up, if you go in get it done. Cease fire broken clinton needs to finish job doesnt.
Bush 2 rolls in, choking on pretzels. with thoughts that we can not be hit on our soil. hes wrong. Al Queda strikes, bush stikes back (thankfully).
next thought, who else wants to harm us, clinton/gore said Sadam number one enemy. CIA says has WMD wants to hit us. Putin says has WMD wants to hit you. Blairs secret army says same. As does Israel and Jordan.
thats enough for me to go, no warning to u.n. and that crap....
now theres no weapons, i am more scared of where they are than of everyone being wrong.
on creating sadam i dont buy the argument same as i dont buy we created bin laden. I dont buy the crossed signals bull either, we werent playing kissy face. When he was gassing Iran we were sending money. good.
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d'oh......no fox would never present an unbiased view... boy after tonight a can't wait to go vote....i wonder how much they paid that democrat to appear at the GOP convention.... i have never seen so much fire and brimstone (well, maybe once at the Pentacostle).... i guess i was wrong to think the world hates america..how could they do anything but love that guy?????
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I think its all fair game, its up to us morons to sort out the truth. I dig the new swift ads with what kerry has said, not his war records.
I wont call the swift vets or kerry liar (well kerry on crap i know about in mass.) He still whinning and he has paid way more for his 527 ads. and moore was free... supposedly..
Kerry getting scared shaking up his crew, goin for clinton cronnies.
Kevin worry about Canada, watch out for those new republicans....
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Moore was free??? LOL--some people PAID Moore.....
in his book "stupid white men" he accurately drew lines between a bunch of energy players at enron etc. to the Bush whitehouse...he forgot to mention that they were already visiting the white house when Clinton was there too...LOL
one thing he did point out in in that book that bothere me was the Fla. election ...
i was pissed when Gore challenged the count in Fla. it really was ridiculous....
BUT, what the news didn't cover very well was how many people were tossed off the voting books ILLEGALLY before the election... well guess who ordered that...and guess which party most of the voters that were tossed were in?
guess who tried to do it again this year???? this time they got caught BEFORE election time...sick.....that doesn't make big healines tho???
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so, it sounds like the president still thinks that invading Iraq was not just a good thing, but God's work?? am i hearing this correctly? God wanted us to bomb Iraq????because God wants everybody to have freedom???? he never would have gotten us to allow him to do that by asking in those terms before he invaded Iraq---WOULD HE???
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so thousands of screaming losers chanting 'flip flop, flip flop' isn't name calling? Sorry if that offends you, but vast majority of people in the world refer to Bush in terms *much* more offensieve then 'monkey'.
If the republicans want to play dirty, they are in for the absolute **** kicking of a life time. This is where we see how much balls Kerry has, if he fights back and takes it to Bush's level, its all over.
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what am i missing here??? i heard it CLEARLY-- he said it.... look in the transcripts....i didn't expect him to say he screwed up--but God wants us to invade other countries??????
even the republican back patters on Fox acknowledged it..help from beyond the stars.....
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quote:Originally posted by kevin954: so thousands of screaming losers chanting 'flip flop, flip flop' isn't name calling? Sorry if that offends you, but vast majority of people in the world refer to Bush in terms *much* more offensieve then 'monkey'.
If the republicans want to play dirty, they are in for the absolute **** kicking of a life time. This is where we see how much balls Kerry has, if he fights back and takes it to Bush's level, its all over.
- Kevin
WOW really into AM. politics, i'll be catching the next canadian politician speach LOL
quote:Originally posted by glassman: what am i missing here??? i heard it CLEARLY-- he said it.... look in the transcripts....i didn't expect him to say he screwed up--but God wants us to invade other countries??????
even the republican back patters on Fox acknowledged it..help from beyond the stars.....
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ZELL, ill check out transcripts but i space out etc..... Was watching though didnt hear that, but, been wrong before.
I'm good with the war, wish he would've brought up taking out iran and syria though.
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even better-- a Judge ordered 470 protesters released this afternoon NYC Police Refused now the NY City police are going to be fined...i wonder who will come up with the money?????
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well, i guess we aren't going to see an admission of error.....i can't support somebody who thinks they are perfect and on a mission from God....
back to the swift boat ads..... let's see, Kerry was testifiying about the horrors of war on TV and in front of congress........ Vets feelings are hurt.... hmmmmmmm
what was George Bush doing then???? i would like to see some film of him being given a sobriety test.......too bad they didn't have cameras in cop cars back then....
man I flip on CNN to see what they think of bush speach, i flip channels and we all know the usuall suspects, but, cnn running, Kerry gonna be on attack now, only 20 mins.... Thought that really weird.
and then, Kerry sucked, LOL rambled on.
totally thought hed have better attack, he voted for war and says supported it but kind of attacked bush for doing it, but not really, thought it was awful.
and that gas price high thing, if there are lower prices, he says, bush used his friends in saudi to get lower prices for votes....(said it a few months ago)
quote:Originally posted by glassman: even better-- a Judge ordered 470 protesters released this afternoon NYC Police Refused now the NY City police are going to be fined...i wonder who will come up with the money?????
FREEDOM at home FIRST......
for DNC protesters were not even allowed in a viewing radius of fleetcenter, protesting teachers, and firemen and policemen received contracts or promises within 6 weeks of convention.....
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