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m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 09:58 quote: Originally posted by RedBullish: Regarding subscription numbers... they may not have reached 1,000 yet... I agree, i can only guess but 500-600 would be a very accurate number. Why such low numbers, well in my opinion VG has not even started yet, when the new site arrives that is the new beginning. Really PGHI has done nothing yet to VG's, yah maybe some advertisement(test the waters) but that is about it. The site as it stands now sucks, and this is why the low number of subs(guesstimate). Remember, it will be a whole other ballgame soon. I can't wait to see sub numbers in six months. - IP: Logged
joelotto Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:09 I know as much as you guys about the subs but I think you are way off target and here is why. On Dec of 2002 they had 400 subs when PGHI acquired them. Shortly after they lost a small amount. From Jan 2003 to Oct 2003 the company reported the growth at 35-40% month over month. Not just 35-40% but month on month. This is huge. Also, from Nov till now the company has grown at the rate of about 25%. I provided the numbers, now figure it out. I would say we have 7,500-10,000 as a low ball and if you calculate the numbers we should be north of 10,000 subs before the end of 2003. The percentages I provided are facts provided by the company as well as 400 subs in Dec of 2002. IP: Logged
cabbage22 Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:11 You're way off joe IP: Logged
presumptuous Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:11 Solid buying going on... next stop will be higher than were we are now LOL I do not really care now, I'm looooonnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg But still, I tend to look quite often to what it does LOL pres IP: Logged
joelotto Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:12 how am I off. These are numbers proved by the company. IP: Logged
j160e Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:15 Marty, you are right on target. The website IS the business. Until the new website is up, we have not crossed the start line yet. The engine is running but the race has yet to begin. Patients everyone. j160e quote: Originally posted by m_h13021: I agree, i can only guess but 500-600 would be a very accurate number. Why such low numbers, well in my opinion VG has not even started yet, when the new site arrives that is the new beginning. Really PGHI has done nothing yet to VG's, yah maybe some advertisement(test the waters) but that is about it. The site as it stands now sucks, and this is why the low number of subs(guesstimate). Remember, it will be a whole other ballgame soon. I can't wait to see sub numbers in six months. - IP: Logged
Magoo Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:15 I am going to be trying to pick up some more shares this morning to round off my holdings split between my group and even up the shares between us. You might see some buying pressure this morning as I will be takeing some shares out of the hands of the MM's. Can't say that I like what has happened the last day or two so I am going to put some pressure on the MM's and average out. Good Luck to all Magoo IP: Logged
slotplayer Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:17 joe, I'll go w/your numbers. I don't think the "appearance" of our site has twit to do w/ subs. Gamers seek good service, good prices...good selection..that's all. VeeGeeZ offer both. Now on the other hand, investors may be more attracted to a polished site so I still look for a nice pop when the new VeeGeeZ is published. good luck. been here since august '02 quote: Originally posted by joelotto: I know as much as you guys about the subs but I think you are way off target and here is why. On Dec of 2002 they had 400 subs when PGHI acquired them. Shortly after they lost a small amount. From Jan 2003 to Oct 2003 the company reported the growth at 35-40% month over month. Not just 35-40% but month on month. This is huge. Also, from Nov till now the company has grown at the rate of about 25%. I provided the numbers, now figure it out. I would say we have 7,500-10,000 as a low ball and if you calculate the numbers we should be north of 10,000 subs before the end of 2003. The percentages I provided are facts provided by the company as well as 400 subs in Dec of 2002. IP: Logged
cabbage22 Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:18 Magoo, what has happened in the past few days was the completion of the cup, now as we head back towards .06 we will be completing the handle. From that point we should expect a breakout. Give 'em hell Magoo! quote: Originally posted by Magoo: I am going to be trying to pick up some more shares this morning to round off my holdings split between my group and even up the shares between us. You might see some buying pressure this morning as I will be takeing some shares out of the hands of the MM's. Can't say that I like what has happened the last day or two so I am going to put some pressure on the MM's and average out. Good Luck to all Magoo IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:22 quote: Originally posted by cabbage22: You're way off joe WAY OFF, WAY WAY OFF ...unless your margin of error is +/-80% _____________________________________________ 10,000 Subscribers come on now, we would gotten a huge press release if this was fact even if we popped 2000 subs we would of gotten a big hoorah. Sorry, Joe! Next year at this time maybe, not today! - IP: Logged
chrissy_a Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:23 Picked up another 20k today at rock bottom prices .052 ...very happy with my purchase. IP: Logged
chrissy_a Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:26 sorry I meant .051 not that it will make much of a difference IP: Logged
joelotto Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:31 I have a copy of the PGHI profile sent out on 11/26/2003. This is not confidential information so I don't think anybody will mind. It will also provide numbers for people here and future investors something to work with. IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:36 quote: Originally posted by slotplayer: ...I don't think the "appearance" of our site has twit to do w/ subs. Gamers seek good service, good prices...good selection.. I agree and disagree with your above statement. Yes to "people" seek good service, good prices, and good selection. VG's has all three - Perfect! Now, "...appearance of our site has twit to do w/ subs..." If I wasn't vested with PGHI, I would have never subscribed to VGs, just based on the first load of the webpage. No way in hell I am subscribing to this. I would have joined gamefly.com. Remember, many people judge the book by the cover. Having a website as the sole source of retail is all about appearance. If it simplistic, has ease of use, and is attractive, you will gain return customers. This was just my personal feelings on web site presence and why I would opt to buy or not to buy from the retailer. - Marty IP: Logged
joelotto Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:36 M_H If veegeez had 400 subs at the end of 2002 and the have grown 25-40% since (month over month) how do you guys figure they have 600-1000 subs now. IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:43 quote: Originally posted by joelotto: M_H If veegeez had 400 subs at the end of 2002 and the have grown 25-40% since (month over month) how do you guys figure they have 600-1000 subs now. Joe, if you have the PPM please review it. You will find that the subscriber numbers you have for your base of calculations is wrong. The PPM supplies a number as of December 2003. - Marty IP: Logged
joelotto Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:44 Read the info below and tell me I'm wrong about the sub numbers. Point Group Holdings, Inc., of San Diego, California, has established itself historically as a holding company dedicated to acquiring up-and-coming companies, and �fulfilling entrepreneur�s dreams�. Their formula is simple: find those emerging companies with the most potential, take them in as wholly-owned subsidiaries, arrange for the necessary funding, and provide executive level management assistance to make their business more viable. Bringing these up-and-coming entities into the Point Group �family� also gives them their best chance to reach certain milestones�previously unattainable�that they have set forth in their business plan. Point Group currently owns and operates three subsidiaries: AMCORP GROUP, INC.�The elite team of business professionals/consultants that President, John Fleming, has gathered over the years, from his successful participation in numerous private and public companies, now utilized to provide quality professional services and executive level management assistance to Point Group�s subsidiaries. NATURALLY SAFE TECHNOLOGIES, INC.�A company that develops, markets and distributes a variety of consumer products. Season�s Greenings, Botanical Chi and Odora comprise the current product line, and all three have tremendous potential specifically as products that are marketed via direct marketing, the Internet or infomercials. VEEGEEZ.com�Provides video game and DVD rentals, via the Internet, for a monthly fee to customers. Veegeez.com is based on the same model as NetFlix.com�the leader in internet-based DVD rentals. Business Summary Veegeez.com � Video Game & DVD Rentals Point Group Holdings� newest subsidiary�Veegeez.com�could significantly shape the future of the corporation. Due to the recent, tremendous success of NetFlix.com, and its Internet based DVD rental system, Point Group is looking at their newest addition to be the necessary catalyst to move PGHI to a much higher market cap value. Commencing operations in June of 2002, Veegeez.com LLC was formed to take advantage of (1) a rapidly growing video game industry in the U.S., and (2) to capitalize on the already proven, successful formula of renting DVD�s through the mail established by the �Netflix phenomenon�. The domestic video game industry has exploded over the last few years with the proliferation of Sony Playstation II, Microsoft�s Xbox and Nintendo�s Gamecube video game systems. In fact, recent estimates put over 18 million game systems (of the Playstation II generation) in U.S. homes. Veegeez has experienced steady growth since their coming out in 2002. They had approximately 400 subscribers by the end of their first calendar year, and have grown at a rate of 35-40% per month since utilizing only standard Internet advertising channels. Since being acquired by Point Group Holdings, the success potential of this �Netflix challenger� has increased dramatically. In addition to the necessary financing and management-level assistance Point Group will deliver to Veegeez, the following immediate improvements are underway or being considered: THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR VIDEO GAME RENTAL INVENTORY BY 37% THEY HAVE AWARDED A CONTRACT TO BUILD THE NEW WEBSITE, AS WELL AS RETAINED VENTURE DIRECT WORLDWIDE TO RUN A SOPHISTICATED MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO IMPROVE ON THE EXISTING BUSINESS PLAN, POINT GROUP HAS DECIDED TO MARKET DVD RENTALS ALONG WITH THE VIDEO GAMES, AND ARE CONSIDERING A POTENTIAL NAME CHANGE TO BETTER MARKET THE COMPANY IP: Logged
drwright68 Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:52 Drop the subs talk NOW! IP: Logged
fozzy Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:53 Well, if 400 at the end of 2002 is correct, AND their 25-40% increase per month is accurate, we should have at least 5k subs. 400 x 1.25^12 = 5820 400 x 1.40^12 = 22677 Those are the low and high estimates. My gut tells me they don't even have the low estimate. Now, mind you I DO NOT have the PPM info (thus the most recent numbers), so I am only going with the stated estimated growth. If someone would like to share the latest base # of subs they know are factual, I'd be happy to see them. fozzy IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 10:54 quote: Originally posted by joelotto: Read the info below and tell me I'm wrong about the sub numbers. I hear yah. But I don't know what to tell yah. I am looking at totally different numbers based on the beginning of December 2003. Really I wasn't saying that your calculations were wrong, dead on. I am saying that I just don't see VG's subs at 10,000+ . You can't go by that forward looking statement anyway. We shall see in the near future who is right, and I hope it is you Joe! - IP: Logged
akabob Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:07 quote: Originally posted by drwright68: Drop the subs talk NOW! there might be a reason why jf will not release the sub numbers IP: Logged
joelotto Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:08 M_H I'm done with the sub thing for now but what part of this is forward looking Veegeez has experienced steady growth since their coming out in 2002. They had approximately 400 subscribers by the end of their first calendar year, and have grown at a rate of 35-40% per month since utilizing only standard Internet advertising channels. Since being acquired by Point Group Holdings, the success potential of this �Netflix challenger� has increased dramatically. IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:11 quote: Originally posted by akabob: there might be a reason why jf will not release the sub numbers Yes, this is understood for obvious reasons. But the subscriber base is the life blood of all operations of VGs and soon Gameznflix. Soon the numbers will be able to be seen. - IP: Logged
phantom1107 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:11 Mobile video ads... Mobile video has quietly emerged much more rapidly than many in the industry predicted, spurring a raft of mobile video ads as operators try to pick up valuable 'early adopters' that generate significant revenues per user. This report scrutinizes a number of mobile video campaigns from a range of different operators, delivering insights into the successes and failures of each TV ad. This will enable readers to draw on the experience of others, and thus avoid the costly pitfalls of unsuccessful ads, as well as improve their chances of producing successful mobile video advertising by replicating some of the features that work. This kind of knowledge is essential, since this is an entirely new category of service, and the experience so far of creating ads for mobile video is limited. The aim of this report is to provide the best possible base from which to build a mobile video advertising campaign. For example, one avenue could be to generate brand awareness through sponsorship of video clips. Many mobile phone users would quite happily pay to receive a funny video clip of, say, the �Eye of the Tiger� Pop Idol reject, sponsored by Nestl�, or Kylie�s latest single � brought to you by Coca-Cola.� And then there�s the viral marketing element to it � if they find the content compelling enough, they�ll then happily forward it to their friends at a minimal cost." IP: Logged
joelotto Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:12 Time for some sleep. Its 12pm in Taiwan. Since I'm in the future as far as time goes I could have told you guys before the open that we would be at .051 at 11:11 EST.LOL IP: Logged
zo Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:33 Level II look like we are probebly going to see .045...Maybe even 4 cents today...And no more news week...Depressing...zo... IP: Logged
clay1999 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:36 looks like all sell orders going through no buyers today quote: Originally posted by zo: Level II look like we are probebly going to see .045...Maybe even 4 cents today...And no more news week...Depressing...zo... IP: Logged
trader01 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:37 zo... BUY BUY BUY!!!!! I think i am way passed putting all my eggs in one basket, im borrowing money now! quote: Originally posted by zo: Level II look like we are probebly going to see .045...Maybe even 4 cents today...And no more news week...Depressing...zo... IP: Logged
zo Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:37 yes for the first time, i sold half of my shares to daytrade...I'm pretty sure i can get back in at around .045 or lower...:-)...zo... IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:38 quote: Originally posted by zo: Level II look like we are probebly going to see .045...Maybe even 4 cents today...And no more news week...Depressing...zo... I don't think so. That would be quite drastic. - IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:40 Just freaking step away from the computer or something, following the stock every single second of the day will not get you anywhere! LOL IP: Logged
zo Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:41 Yea your probebly right...We'll probebly only see .045 today...But i still remember the big drop we had last time that just ate through our .05 support...zo... IP: Logged
chrissy_a Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:41 Zo I think they are just tessting the .05 level trying to shake week hands,Personally I think we will hold this level..Maybe wrong just hope you dont end up having to buy back at the same price or higher... IP: Logged
clay1999 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:42 so you are saying we all should sell? quote: Originally posted by zo: yes for the first time, i sold half of my shares to daytrade...I'm pretty sure i can get back in at around .045 or lower...:-)...zo... IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:43 quote: Originally posted by clay1999: looks like all sell orders going through no buyers today Look again Clay..... http://www.alphatrade.com/com.alphatrade.servlet.http.quote.TimeSaleServlet?f=&c=2414012571017691711&u=13505&symbol=PGHI&date=0&pageSize=40 IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:44 Yeah good luck! quote: Originally posted by zo: yes for the first time, i sold half of my shares to daytrade...I'm pretty sure i can get back in at around .045 or lower...:-)...zo... IP: Logged
chrissy_a Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:44 Clay that would be a big mistake imo espically with the news that scoming very soon !!! quote: Originally posted by clay1999: so you are saying we all should sell? IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:47 quote: Originally posted by clay1999: so you are saying we all should sell? I think what is being said is zo wants shares @ .045 or lower. Read between the lines. Hold your shares, don't be silly. Or sell your shares, it is your money. - IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:49 Chrissy let them sell, I don't want to be rude but I hate cry-babies, this is the stock market, not the schoolyard, nobody is bullying you and nobody is forcing you to do anything. If you're not happy just sell and move on, but please don't start whining online! LOL Sorry I had to vent and I'm not the only one thinking like that, it's just that people are too shy to say it! GLTA! quote: Originally posted by chrissy_a: Clay that would be a big mistake imo espically with the news that scoming very soon !!! IP: Logged
zo Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:49 NO clay don't sell your shares...I only sold a portionof my shares for the first time in like 4 months...Trust me it's a big risk...I'm going to jump back in today...zo... IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 11:58 quote: Originally posted by zo: NO ...I'm going to jump back in today...zo... Not at .045 cents. - IP: Logged
clay1999 Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:00 more sold than bought...if it was the other way around we would be climbing and in the green.... quote: Originally posted by m_h13021: Look again Clay..... http://www.alphatrade.com/com.alpha trade.servlet.http.quote.TimeSaleServlet?f=&c=2414012571017691711&u=13505&symbol=PGHI&date=0&pageSize=40 IP: Logged
zo Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:01 You're right Tommy...I shouldn't have posted what i posted...It was childish...So i apolozize...Sorry you guys...zo... IP: Logged
clay1999 Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:07 I'll be quiet now ...sorry people say they are selling it gets my attention IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:07 Did you see the last 6 trades that were all buys at the ASK? Moreover, have you ever seen the ASK being dropped after a buy? This is MM's territory, we are only scavengers on the OTC world! GLTA! quote: Originally posted by clay1999: more sold than bought...if it was the other way around we would be climbing and in the green.... IP: Logged
VeeHappy Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:09 quote: Originally posted by zo: You're right Tommy...I shouldn't have posted what i posted...It was childish...So i apolozize...Sorry you guys...zo... Only the weak will not get RICH!Look @ ISO my other Baby...I accumulated when all the weaklings are Selling for a LOSS @ .22!a few months later today...trading @ .94 Yes! PGHI...is slowly GROWING up too. VeeHappy IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:09 "...looks like all sell orders going through no buyers today..." clay1999 This was your post, I simply replied to what you said. "...looks like all sell orders..." which was not the case, so I provided a link. Thats all. - IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:14 Wall Street Capital Funding: Investor's Alert: January 22, 2004! PGHI has made this alert again. My question is who is this Wall Street Capital, I can never find any more information. By the way, it has made the alert, but that is it no other information provide(ie:why) - Marty IP: Logged
Brada777 Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:18 Ha! I thought I would try...not to bring this up again...this is from veegeez... Brad, That information is still private to protect it from our competitors. Thanks for Choosing VeeGeeZ. Lance Wiseman VeeGeeZ.com, LLC Just to let everyone know I own about 315,000 shares in PGHI and will not give up my shares for a long time. Picked up another 50k today. IP: Logged
cabbage22 Member	posted January 22, 2004 12:20 I also picked more up today. IP: Logged

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