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ignorantbliss Member	posted January 25, 2004 12:03 Yeah, I tend to agree with you one this one. No way #'s go up and down that fast on potential investors. Had to be testing. We're getting closer. I'm guess this week but that's just a guess. quote: Originally posted by m_h13021: Yes, that was the point of my previous post. There very well can be work going on in the back-end of things. We see it in the stats. - ------------------ LATE FEES SUCK! IP: Logged
EDDIE138301 Member	posted January 25, 2004 12:24 New Entry in Online Vid Race Sat Jan 24, 4:06 PM ET Add Movies - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Jill Kipnis LOS ANGELES (Billboard) - There's a new kid on the block in the online video rental world. Gameznflix.com, owned by Franklin, Ky.-based holding company Point Group Holdings Inc. (PGHI), is launching next month with an offering of DVDs and videogames. The service's business model is similar to that of Netflix, the leading online rental company based in Los Gatos, Calif. Users will pay a monthly subscription fee that enables them to receive DVDs or games through the mail. After a subscriber returns a title in an envelope with prepaid postage provided by gameznflix.com, another title from the rental selection list they have created is sent. "This is a long-term project that will offer an alternative to Netflix," says John Fleming, CEO/president of PGHI. "We will crawl, then we will walk and then we will see about running into the future." Netflix ended 2003 with about 1.5 million subscribers, a 74% increase over 2002. Fleming says that the availability of videogames will differentiate gameznflix.com from such competitors as Netflix and walmart.com, which offer only DVDs. A Netflix representative could not be reached for comment by press time. PGHI already has established an online videogame rental service through its 18-month-old Web site veegeez.com, which will be incorporated into gameznflix.com next month. Fleming would not disclose how many subscribers use veegeez.com. It currently distributes veegeez.com orders through centers in San Diego and Franklin. Fleming says two more distribution centers will open soon. At launch, gameznflix.com will offer about 50 top DVDs and a full stock of videogames. According to Fleming, 99% of published videogames, including such older titles as "Pong," will be available for rent. "It costs $50 to buy a game. The gamer beats the game or likes it or dislikes it and is over it in about two weeks and three days," Fleming says. "Now, they can rent it for $20 a month." Fleming would not disclose what the monthly subscription fee for gameznflix.com will be, though its veegeez.com offers plans that range from $19.95 to $39.95. For example, the $19.95 plan allows users to have two titles rented at a time, while a $29.95 plan allows four rentals at a time. Reuters/Billboard Email Story Post/Read Msgs (2) Print Story Ratings: Would you recommend this story? Not at all 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 Highly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Next Story: 'Primer,' 'DIG!' Take Top Awards at Sundance (Reuters) More Entertainment - Movies Stories · 'Primer,' 'DIG!' Take Top Awards at Sundance (Reuters) · Johnny Come Early (E! Online) · 'Swimming Pool' Star Travels Rural India (AP) · Will Hollywood Sing 'Hail to the Hobbits?' (Reuters) · "Shrek" Sequelizes--Again (E! Online) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IP: Logged
m_h13021 Member	posted January 25, 2004 12:24 It is nice to see that Allstocks admins are hard at work cleaning up the boards today. Thank you. - IP: Logged
Marcidius Member	posted January 25, 2004 12:29 Thinking of doubling my position on Monday, wish I would have done this a couple weeks back but eh..I'm not all that smart hehe... this week is going to be a doozy and man o' man I cannot wait! IP: Logged
cabbage22 Member	posted January 25, 2004 12:44 My thoughts exactly, it was starting to feel like RB in here last night, thank you Allstocks. quote: Originally posted by m_h13021: It is nice to see that Allstocks admins are hard at work cleaning up the boards today. Thank you. - IP: Logged
COOLORANGEFREEZE Member	posted January 25, 2004 12:51 WOW! Just got back from up by Yosemite. Went and played in the snowy areas Read all the new posts and I am so happy with what I have seen. I already know our potential... but to read the new articles that talk about us as the, "new kid on the block" is GREAT! We are getting our exposure. And more hubs/distribution centers to be opened soon... along with the 50 top DVD's for rent... and video games... DAMN this is all to the good! These simple fonts cannot express my faith and happiness enough with PGHI. IP: Logged
lilpennypincher Member	posted January 25, 2004 13:26 Just saw a commercial for Netflix on CBS. It was very interesting. Anyone else see it. I have not seen one before, pretty big on network tv. IP: Logged
Drethar2 Member	posted January 25, 2004 13:51 Hey if you look at the SEC filing Veegeez had $80K in subscription revenue for the 9 months ending Sept 30th...now if you figure every sub pays 20 per month over that period that means that each sub should pay approx $180 over that span...$80,000/$180= about 450subs...now this number might have been lower at the begin of the yr and higher towards the end to get this revenue but this prob is a good ballpark estimate, at least i doubt it was above 5-600 by Sept 30th. i dont know a ton about this stuff but it makes sense to me...GLTA! IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 13:55 I'd say that we have about 1000-1200 subs at this point and with the new site, article, name change, and introduction of DVD's, we will probably see 10,000 to 50,000 within a month or two. JMHO of course! GLTA! quote: Originally posted by Drethar2: Hey if you look at the SEC filing Veegeez had $80K in subscription revenue for the 9 months ending Sept 30th...now if you figure every sub pays 20 per month over that period that means that each sub should pay approx $180 over that span...$80,000/$180= about 450subs...now this number might have been lower at the begin of the yr and higher towards the end to get this revenue but this prob is a good ballpark estimate, at least i doubt it was above 5-600 by Sept 30th. i dont know a ton about this stuff but it makes sense to me...GLTA! IP: Logged
Drethar2 Member	posted January 25, 2004 13:57 You think its grown that much even with the crappy site tommy? If so 10-20K may not be off by spring! IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:00 If they had about 450-500 subs by Sept 2003, I don't see why we couldn't have 1000-1200 four months later. I mean yeah it's ugly but I've been using the service since 3 months ago and it's top notch! With the new site and all the goodies to come, I expect at least a 500% to 1000% increase in the subs very quickly! quote: Originally posted by Drethar2: You think its grown that much even with the crappy site tommy? If so 10-20K may not be off by spring! IP: Logged
presumptuous Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:05 Magoo is indeed a fraud. I got confirmation from John: A Complete Falsehood! I was in Nashville on Friday the entire day. John Fleming CEO/President Point Group Holdings, Incorporated 1535 Blackjack Road Franklin, KY 42134 Tel: 888.542.6817 Fax: 270.778.0025 www.pghi.biz pres IP: Logged
presumptuous Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:15 I believe this is indeed a very good wy to count. I would say about 450 customers at the end of September. John also told me that the grow rate was about 25 to 30% over the last months... So let us count September 450 Oktober 562 November 700 December 875 January 1093 I believe this to be pretty accurate. 5000 customers should be possible within a couple of months. Certainly with the new site and merketing coming. pres quote: Originally posted by Drethar2: Hey if you look at the SEC filing Veegeez had $80K in subscription revenue for the 9 months ending Sept 30th...now if you figure every sub pays 20 per month over that period that means that each sub should pay approx $180 over that span...$80,000/$180= about 450subs...now this number might have been lower at the begin of the yr and higher towards the end to get this revenue but this prob is a good ballpark estimate, at least i doubt it was above 5-600 by Sept 30th. i dont know a ton about this stuff but it makes sense to me...GLTA! IP: Logged
presumptuous Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:16 quote: Originally posted by presumptuous: I believe this is indeed a very good way to count. I would say about 450 customers at the end of September. John also told me that the grow rate was about 25 to 30% over the last months... So let us count September 450 Oktober 562 November 700 December 875 January 1093 I believe this to be pretty accurate. 5000 customers should be possible within a couple of months. Certainly with the new site and marketing coming. pres IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:17 Pres, you mean 50,000 not 5,000 right? quote: Originally posted by presumptuous: I believe this is indeed a very good wy to count. I would say about 450 customers at the end of September. John also told me that the grow rate was about 25 to 30% over the last months... So let us count September 450 Oktober 562 November 700 December 875 January 1093 I believe this to be pretty accurate. 5000 customers should be possible within a couple of months. Certainly with the new site and merketing coming. pres IP: Logged
presumptuous Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:21 50 000, maybe by years end. For now, I would be very happy with 5000 by the end of March... Just being conservative :-) pres IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:27 Well true, 5,000 subs would give us $100,000 revenue per month, not bad at all. Let's see how it's all played out! GLTA! quote: Originally posted by presumptuous: 50 000, maybe by years end. For now, I would be very happy with 5000 by the end of March... Just being conservative :-) pres IP: Logged
drwright68 Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:32 quote: Originally posted by tommy: Well true, 5,000 subs would give us $100,000 revenue per month, not bad at all. Let's see how it's all played out! GLTA! IP: Logged
drwright68 Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:33 i think, we should have 5 billion subscribers before the end of this year...lol...how many people are on earth?...i'm gonna tell them all...lol quote: Originally posted by tommy: Well true, 5,000 subs would give us $100,000 revenue per month, not bad at all. Let's see how it's all played out! GLTA! IP: Logged
mistikal07 Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:40 I'm a college student at UC Davis and have several of my friends at various UCs, Privates and States around California all invested in PGHI. When the new site comes out, we're planning on posting several hundreds of flyers throughout our campuses to promote the site. Hope this helps us out. GLTA IP: Logged
presumptuous Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:45 That is what we need: pro-active shareholders. We can build PGHI too... pres quote: Originally posted by mistikal07: I'm a college student at UC Davis and have several of my friends at various UCs, Privates and States around California all invested in PGHI. When the new site comes out, we're planning on posting several hundreds of flyers throughout our campuses to promote the site. Hope this helps us out. GLTA IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:48 This answers the question "why does a public company has an advantage over a private one." With our help, Veegeez will beat Gamefly very quickly! GLTA! quote: Originally posted by mistikal07: I'm a college student at UC Davis and have several of my friends at various UCs, Privates and States around California all invested in PGHI. When the new site comes out, we're planning on posting several hundreds of flyers throughout our campuses to promote the site. Hope this helps us out. GLTA IP: Logged
presumptuous Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:56 Can someone tell me how big the magazine featuring the article is? Any idea about how many readers? What kind of people read it..??? pres IP: Logged
Marcidius Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:59 As soon as I get back from running some errands I'm signin up for VeeGeez! Perfect example of why is... rented a couple games from BlockBuster last weekend, 7 day rentals, totally forgot about them and they were due at noon today!!! I'm gonna have 10$ worth of late fees when I return them.... AAAHHHH "LATE FEES SUCK!!" And VeeGeez/GameZNFlix rules!! IP: Logged
cabbage22 Member	posted January 25, 2004 14:59 I am also planning on doing this, but on the east coast. I will also try and get our "campus gaming club" to join. And of course banner ads on my websites, and LATE FEES SUCK tee shirt that I will wear every day! quote: Originally posted by mistikal07: I'm a college student at UC Davis and have several of my friends at various UCs, Privates and States around California all invested in PGHI. When the new site comes out, we're planning on posting several hundreds of flyers throughout our campuses to promote the site. Hope this helps us out. GLTA IP: Logged
BetNitAll Member	posted January 25, 2004 15:00 Lets not get too carried away. 10,000 to 50,000 subs in two months is very unlikely. A lot of things have to be done still. Newsite Advertising games and dvd increase. more dist centers. 10,000 to 50,000 by the end of the year would be a great goal to aim for! subs Monthly revenue 1,000 $20,000 2,000 $40,000 10,000 $200,000 50,000 $1 million In fact, I would be happy with 5,000 to 10,000 by the end of the year (as long as there was a low churn rate). It shows steady growth and a good monthly income. In saying that....when we start moving, we could really fly. Netflix got a million subs in less then 5 years....so, anything can happen. quote: Originally posted by tommy: I'd say that we have about 1000-1200 subs at this point and with the new site, article, name change, and introduction of DVD's, we will probably see 10,000 to 50,000 within a month or two. JMHO of course! GLTA! IP: Logged
drwright68 Member	posted January 25, 2004 15:02 billboard magazine is an icon for the music and entertainment industry. quote: Originally posted by presumptuous: Can someone tell me how big the magazine featuring the article is? Any idea about how many readers? What kind of people read it..??? pres IP: Logged
nitroburn Member	posted January 25, 2004 15:04 Wooter- If you want to talk about Costa Rica e-mail me. I lived there for 2 years 2000-2003. nitroburn@alaska.com IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 15:06 This article will bring us more long term investors rather than traders like PR's do. IMO quote: Originally posted by drwright68: billboard magazine is an icon for the music and entertainment industry. IP: Logged
Brada777 Member	posted January 25, 2004 16:10 I think that we will rise is memberships faster than Netflix did. They have paved the way for success. The word is out and once the site is up it is our duty as shareholders do everything we can to help this thing. I have talked to a lot of people including my family and my dad who is remarried and has kids ages from 6-13 was not wanting to pay for the subscription even though they spend over $240 a year on games for th kids, now that they will offer DVD's he said he is in. We all know that this market of online Video games has not been tapped into. 18-26 years olds make up the majority of these groups and if we can pull this group also, can you see the possibilities? It is so important to get the word out and advertise. Marketing the product and a great website we should have success because someone has paved the way we are just making it better. Just like Bill Gates did with windows. He took what Xerox had and made it better!! IP: Logged
Wooter Member	posted January 25, 2004 16:16 You've got mail! quote: Originally posted by nitroburn: Wooter- If you want to talk about Costa Rica e-mail me. I lived there for 2 years 2000-2003. nitroburn@alaska.com IP: Logged
delt16 Member	posted January 25, 2004 17:30 36,600 visitors to veegeez.com today?? Hmmmm IP: Logged
DOUBLE L Member	posted January 25, 2004 17:35 What is this? quote: Originally posted by presumptuous: Magoo is indeed a fraud. I got confirmation from John: A Complete Falsehood! I was in Nashville on Friday the entire day. John Fleming CEO/President Point Group Holdings, Incorporated 1535 Blackjack Road Franklin, KY 42134 Tel: 888.542.6817 Fax: 270.778.0025 www.pghi.biz pres IP: Logged
delt16 Member	posted January 25, 2004 17:49 double....unless you've been in a coma over the past couple days, you would have heard the news that magoo is a fake! IP: Logged
delt16 Member	posted January 25, 2004 17:57 I dont think that the article was released early. Several statements refer to "next month" which will be February. This is when certain business plans are suposed to go into effect. This is just a preview for all to read about whats to come. This should generate some serious interest in the company! But I wish JF would let us know how many subscribers there are. IP: Logged
delt16 Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:08 Ok..Ok... Now...when the new website is up, I hope that more allstockers get a membership. I assume that many of you dont have a game system, but I know 99% of you have a DVD player and DVD's will be availible immediately. There will be no excuse not to sign up now. Lets get this stock moving! ------------------ Join www.veegeez.com for 19.95/month. More memberships = higher revenues = higher pps IP: Logged
DOUBLE L Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:27 I have been in a coma the last few days. Not so funny now are you. No realy I have not paid much attention to pghi I have buys in at .045 and .04 has not dropped that low. I will sell at 50% profit if it fills. Still not long on this one. But 50% is money in the bank.I would think if someone like magoo was real he would pull 30% and move on. So who was acting like a big shot? Anyone know I will read old post to see. quote: Originally posted by delt16: double....unless you've been in a coma over the past couple days, you would have heard the news that magoo is a fake! IP: Logged
delt16 Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:39 double... do you mind if I ask why you're not long on this stock? and i'm sorry about the coma comment, i thought I would be safe with that comment...i mean really, what were the odds of you actually being in a coma? ------------------ Join www.veegeez.com for 19.95/month. More memberships = higher revenues = higher pps IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:41 delt16 Double L is probably one of the traders that's all. Good luck to longs and traders alike, making money is the main goal here. GLTA! quote: Originally posted by delt16: double... do you mind if I ask why you're not long on this stock? and i'm sorry about the coma comment, i thought I would be safe with that comment...i mean really, what were the odds of you actually being in a coma? IP: Logged
trader01 Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:48 delt is this is the rumor part of "buy on rumor, sell on news" quote: Originally posted by delt16: I dont think that the article was released early. Several statements refer to "next month" which will be February. This is when certain business plans are suposed to go into effect. This is just a preview for all to read about whats to come. This should generate some serious interest in the company! But I wish JF would let us know how many subscribers there are. IP: Logged
delt16 Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:52 quote: Originally posted by trader01: delt is this is the rumor part of "buy on rumor, sell on news" now you're learning.....A+ ------------------ Join www.veegeez.com for 19.95/month. More memberships = higher revenues = higher pps IP: Logged
newstockpicker Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:52 I just copied this off the BLYC thread. If you guys haven't seen it yet, it is a must SEE!! Walt Issue Date: 01.24.04 SPECIAL WEEKEND EDITION IN THE MONEY: NASD Tightens Short Selling/Delivery Rule By Carol S. Remond A Dow Jones Newswires Column NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Taking most market participants by surprise, the National Association of Securities Dealers has drastically tightened one of its rules governing short selling. Known as affirmative determination, the NASD rule stipulates that brokers and dealers engaged in a short sale transaction must make sure that shares can be delivered by settlement time, three days later. "We closed a loophole," said Steve Luparello, executive vice president of Market Regulation at NASD. Until now, non-NASD members, like specialists, option markets and foreign brokers, weren't covered under the affirmative determination rule. That means that non-NASD members didn't have to represent to the NASD broker through which they conducted a short sale order that they would be able to deliver the stock by settlement date. A short seller typically borrows stock from a broker to sell it into the market, betting that the share price will fall so that he can buy the stock back at a lower price and pocket the difference. The amended NASD affirmative determination rule, which was recently approved by the Securities and Exchange Commission, will particularly affect short sales conducted through foreign brokers, most specifically Canadian brokers which have often been used by investors to sell short the stock of small U.S. companies trading on the Over-the-counter Bulletin Board or OTCBB. Because it's often impossible to borrow the shares of companies trading on the OTCBB, investors and hedge funds looking to take negative bets on these often-overvalued development-stage companies have traditionally been trading through Canada where it's not required to borrow stock before selling it short. The practice is known as NAKED SHORTING. "It's part of (a broker's) supervisory responsibilities," NASD's Luparello said, adding that a non-member's previous failures to deliver should be a good indication of whether or not it will in fact be able to complete the transaction by the settlement date. Market makers engaged in bone fide market making activities will continue to be exempt from affirmative determination. Luparello said that, unlike a parallel SEC initiative to tighten short selling rules on the small-cap markets, the new NASD rules did not originate from worries over mounting failures to deliver stock into the national clearing system. But Luparello said the amended NASD rule fits nicely with the new short selling regulations now under consideration by the SEC. "I think it addresses a gap and (shows) that we, like the SEC, are looking at a variety of things in this area," Luparello said. The NASD proposal was first submitted to the SEC in November 2001, well before alleged abuses of naked shorting became the focal point of a campaign lead by some OTCBB companies in the U.S that say they have been victimized by the practice. While some investors argue that short sellers provide a needed service to the markets, others have called for the complete abolition of short selling because of the undue pressure its puts on the shares of companies. While market participants in the U.S. and abroad are well aware of the new short selling regulations being put forward by the SEC, known as Regulation SHO, most said they knew nothing of the NASD's plan before it became final. "It's taken us by surprise," said Richard Thomas, head of compliance at Canadian brokerage firm Pacific International. Although separate from it, the amended NASD rule fits tightly within the SEC's SHO which is now under review by the SEC staff after a period during which market participants were invited to comment on it. As it stands, the new SEC short selling rules will make it easier to short large-cap stocks since they would do away with the "uptick" rule, which bans short selling on a stock when the price is falling. But it when it comes to the small-cap markets, where it's often impossible to borrow stock, the impact of SHO will be the opposite, making it harder to short sale stock. The new SEC rule sets a predetermined level of so-called clearing fails - cases in which a broker or investor cannot deliver stock within two days after settlement - which will trigger a 90-day blackout whereby the customer will not be allowed to short sell that security. That 90-day exemption would affect trading of U.S. securities in and outside the U.S. The new NASD affirmative determination rule will take effect on Feb. 20. [This message has been edited by newstockpicker (edited January 25, 2004).] IP: Logged
tommy Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:57 newstockpicker, better days are now here on the OTC! IP: Logged
cabbage22 Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:58 Site Rank 132,550 Moving Up! IP: Logged
newstockpicker Member	posted January 25, 2004 18:59 Tommy, you are correct sir!! And they only have until Feb 20th!! Walt IP: Logged
cabbage22 Member	posted January 25, 2004 19:07 quote: Originally posted by ignorantbliss: Check out this link on Investor Hub message board about PGHI.. A little TA.. http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=2209926 This is in response to someone asking about symmetrical triangles and how to determine the target point. Looks very good!!! IP: Logged
whymejc Member	posted January 25, 2004 19:14 It sure would be nice to get a 30 second spot during the Superbowl. Regards IP: Logged
nitroburn Member	posted January 25, 2004 19:17 And blow all of our advertising money in 30 sec. IP: Logged
DOUBLE L Member	posted January 25, 2004 19:23 I take the money and run pull some cash and ride. I do not marry any stock except nsdm and I will sell all my shares for .20. I will sell anything for a nice profit. Truth is 99.9 % of otc and pinks never go anywhere but up and down. Are most scams yes. Can I make money on them yes.How many become 1.00 stocks very few. I try to make money of other peoples hope they will. When I get a ton of money I will marry some of them but untill then I will just use them. I am making money with my present plans. Why would I mess that up. I have done well selling for free shares. I try not to get holding the bag. One important aspect of me buying stocks is other people have to beleive in them. You guys do.It is not a real concern for me if the company makes it just if other investors beleive it will they will hold it up untill I make some money and look for my next play. Just the way I play. For everyone that makes money on a stock somebody losses money. IP: Logged
delt16 Member	posted January 25, 2004 19:25 is that new NASD rule a big as I think it is?? this is great news for all bb stocks, right? ------------------ Join www.veegeez.com for 19.95/month. More memberships = higher revenues = higher pps IP: Logged

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