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the promises from the White House are also geared to entice Churches to vote for them...Faith-based government initiatives...
guess what --this will DESTROY the religious part of the churches and turn them in to BUSINESSES and we all know what Jesus thought about the money-changers in the Temples
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Hey, I only try to type the way I talk! Yes, Jesus was angry at the money changers! Why was he angry with them? I wonder what makes him angry today? War isn't pretty! No one likes war! God didn't like war, but he asked people to go to war! Joshua fought a great battle, and there were women and children killed, during the battle that God had commanded! Sometimes, we have to do what we have to do, to make things better in the end! Sometimes it is a matter of trying to stop the evil, and loosing a few, than not trying, and loosing a lot, especially when souls are involved! Not that we want to ever loose lives, but it is inevitable when we are fighting, not just evil people, but also principalities!
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: Hey, I only try to type the way I talk! Yes, Jesus was angry at the money changers! Why was he angry with them? I wonder what makes him angry today? War isn't pretty! No one likes war! God didn't like war, but he asked people to go to war! Joshua fought a great battle, and there were women and children killed, during the battle that God had commanded! Sometimes, we have to do what we have to do, to make things better in the end! Sometimes it is a matter of trying to stop the evil, and loosing a few, than not trying, and loosing a lot, especially when souls are involved! Not that we want to ever loose lives, but it is inevitable when we are fighting, not just evil people, but also principalities!
Kate. Did Jesus ask anyone to go to war? this is why i am praying for Christians to focus more on the New Testament.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: the current Russian situation is another strong argument that war doesn't solve terrorism problems, it creates them.
Chechneya (sp?) is a war that has been going on for 10+years. it is breeding more terrorism not less.
Iraq--we have no exit point....we are an occuppying force..we will have more terrorism because of it NOT LESS
bit different, the way i see that one is. soviet union let other parcels go as their own country, Chechnya (sp.) is loaded with oil and russia refused to let them go. now they're pissed.- doesnt give'em a right to act like that though.
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Glassman, God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one and the same! I explain it the way I see it, as taking a pan of water! It is the substance! God! Stick it in the freezer! It is the New Life! Jesus! Put it on the stove and boil it into steam! It is the Power! Holy Spirit! As it says in the New Testament, in John 12: 44 and 45, in Jesus words," Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
They are one and the same! Some people seem to think that God is an ogre, and Jesus is the Peace, and the Holy Spirit is somewhere floating around, but the reason that Jesus didn't order war, is because in the old testament, God gave us freewill,As he still does today, but before Jesus came, in the old Testament, when we didn't follow God's laws, he wasn't able to look upon their sin, so he killed them. He drowned them in the flood, and killed them in Soddom and Gahmorrah, however it's spelled! As awful as that sounds, every man had his own choice to make, and they went against God! The reason he doesn't do that now, is because he came to earth, in the form of a man, his son Jesus, to show us how to live, which is the New Testament! That is our example! God, or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, doesn't kill us, with war, because He can't see our sins anymore, because they are covered with Jesus' blood! Jesus said, No one gets to the Father, but by Me! Everyones name is in the book of life, until the moment of death, where it is taken away, if you haven't accepted Jesus as Savior. He loves us all so much, that he waits till the second of our death, to give us a choice, whether to follow him, or follow our own selfish ways! I also live in the New Testament, but you can't disregard the old, because that was inspired by God also! It is important to follow it as a whole, not take from it what you want! That is one reason this world is in such a mess! Some religions follow the Old, some, just the New! I believe that we should follow it all! I like to think of it as it says in the last chapter of Revelation, blending the old laws with the new, in verse 14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. It also says, in 18, that whoever adds to the words of this book, God will add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. Not Jesus, but God. Next verse, And if any man shall take away from the words of the book, God shall take away his part out of the book of life! Since I'm not God, I'm going on faith, that it means the Bible as a whole, not just talking about one chapter, because it doesn't say just one chapter! If you read Revelation, Chapter 14, Jesus, the Lamb, is coming back with the saints, and fight a mighty war! He is coming to avenge the blood of his servants! Again, sounds terrible, but we all have a choice! The third part of God, the Holy Spirit is with us, to guide us, when we accept Jesus! It is up to us, to fight the battles against evil! God didn't tell us, to not go to war! He leads us to do what is right, but he does'n't command us! You can't just sit and watch innocent people get slattered, no matter where, or how they live! Ok, I'm writing a sermon! I'll quit now!
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so Kate, let me make SURE i understand you: it sounds to me like you are saying George Bush IS in fact leading us to Holy War. And it sounds like you are sure he is the ONE that GOD chose to lead.
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I didn't say that God chose him either, even though that may be the case! Only God knows the answer to that one! Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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i think you ARE saying it Kate..... RIGHT HERE! The Lord wants us to share the news of his love, grace, and salvation, with all four corners of the earth! Not just the ones on our small hunk of the earth, the USA! It isn't just about freeing the Iraqi people, it is also about showing them that there are people out there, that actually care about them. I believe that President Bush is trying to do this! As I said before, we will have to agree to disagree!
you may not want to admit to yourself what you are supporting. i suggest you reread what the New American Century site says.....
especially the part about attacking Iraq... back in 1998.....
these people are not HONEST...they plead the case to attack on bad intel and now they are hiding behind some nice sounding rhetoric about being nice guys and doing it for the Iraqui people.....
there is some discussion about LYING in the Bible too isn't there?
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kevin, i am not trying to smack down anyone.
this is no game. America is being led astray by some very nasty people. These people have a TV news station......
There is more disinformation being delivered as TV news in America than there is in Ragging Bullsh.
i have been doing the DD for awhile. the neo-conservative movement is a wolf in sheeps clothing. they are appealing to peoples better sides while they steal from them. i have no doubt Kate has the very best of intentions, the problem is that she is not getting all of the DATA necessary to make an informed decision. President Bush does an excellent job of presenting himself as a SINCERE person. he may even be, but some of his ADVISORS are nothing like that......
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i doubt very seriously that William Bennet, a signatory on some of those New American Century documents as well as a Bush man, would make a very good poster boy for the Church...unless it's bingo night.... http://www.kidsreads.com/reviews/0743211367.asp
it is also about showing them that there are people out there, that actually care about them. I believe that President Bush is trying to do this!
That statement says nothing about God saying he is supposed to head a Holy War, or that God told him to go to war! Hmmmm, I can read and write too! As for the war effort, I do support it, no matter who is in the presidency, because I don't want my sons children, to have to deal with far worse than we have to deal with someday, because the world isn't going to get better on it's own, until Jesus comes back! You know, when I was a child, I could spend the whole day outside, and my mother never had to worry about me being stolen; we never had to lock the doors! Evil has escalated to horrendous proportions in the last 30 years, and I don't believe in sitting here, in my "safer" country, and allowing more and more evil people, to gather together, to hurt others, no matter WHO or where they are! We could go round and round on this forever, so I will let it go at this! I value your opinions, and I'm glad we could talk without fighting! I hope the best for you and yours!
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Kate, i too am distressed that i have to drive my kids to school (in a small town even) instead of having them walk a very few blocks like i did. this is a good example of why we need to do more about OUR domestic problems and less about Iraq's domestic problems
i don't find it hard relate to your current position on world events. i was once a conservative, i am now a moderate, without even changing my views......
the neo-conservatives are war-mongers and they are using every tool available to them to "make us safer" when in reality they are the reason we are being attacked. i am not anti-war, i am anti-stupidity. these neo-conservatives plainly state that they are out to GLOBALISE American interests....that is what is scaring the rest of the world.
we cannot win the war on terrorism alone...
moderate Islamic attitude is that we are getting what we asked for.... i am not saying they are correct..i am saying that until we acknowledge the legitimacy of other people to live their lives the way THEY choose(in their definition of freedom), we will continue to stand alone...and we will pay a much higher price-- win or lose....America won WW2 by working together internally and internationally. that is why Bush is NOT winning the war on terrorism...... we haven't been attacked again (on our soil), but we have been attacked vigorously in Iraq. we are actually breeding more terrorists than we are killing.....
in the war that is no longer a war in Iraq, we have captured 1 non-Iraqi terrorist for every 100 Iraqi insurgents....FOX news makes no distinction, but other channels do....
FOX news makes EVERY other channel liberal.., but they are the only unbiased NEWS... BIG LOL
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Glass, perhaps you can show me in the constitution where any of that is the federal government's concern. Am I the only one who argues politics only after reading the constitution? Posts: 1019 | From: Are You With The CIA? | Registered: Dec 2003
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Glass, I'm a little fuzzy on the whole war-monger thing. Could you please explain to me the reality in which you live, surely there was no 9-11 in your reality, just wondering what other differences there are.
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quote:Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco: Glass, I'm a little fuzzy on the whole war-monger thing. Could you please explain to me the reality in which you live, surely there was no 9-11 in your reality, just wondering what other differences there are.
how many times to do i have to repeat mself.... 9-11 had NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ... the only people who believe that are FOX news watchers..... Bush USED the 9-11 attack to INVADE a third world country that had no self-defense.....and NO WMD
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Insurgent? We don't call them terrorists when it foils your feeble arguement? I mean how could they possibly be terrorists when Iraq had no ties to terrorism? Good rule of thumb is that if it walks talks and blows itself up like a terrorist then it just might be one.
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quote:Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco: Glass, perhaps you can show me in the constitution where any of that is the federal government's concern. Am I the only one who argues politics only after reading the constitution?
where what is the Fed Govs concern???
FOX news???
do a little DD DQR..FOX news(check out the names) they ARE the neo-conservative news station..that's their right, but that doesn't make them FACTUAL....
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Kate, i too am distressed that i have to drive my kids to school (in a small town even) instead of having them walk a very few blocks like i did. this is a good example of why we need to do more about OUR domestic problems and less about Iraq's domestic problems
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quote:Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco: Insurgent? We don't call them terrorists when it foils your feeble arguement? I mean how could they possibly be terrorists when Iraq had no ties to terrorism? Good rule of thumb is that if it walks talks and blows itself up like a terrorist then it just might be one.
feeble argument?? LOL DQR the facts aren't feeble...i am not defending Iraqui insurgents i am pointing out the political lying....our presence in Iraq is in fact CREATING more terrorists....
this was pointed by a large group of world leaders PRIOR to our invasion of Iraq and that is why we FAILED to acquire UN sanctions... We are losing the war on terrorism in Iraq even Fox News admits this.....
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Glass, we all know Iraq had no ties to 9-11 even though Attah met with the senior Iraqi Intell. official just days before coming to America to begin his flight training. We also know that the Boeing 747 carcus at a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq wasn't used by Attah to train for the attack. I know you can't figure this out on your own so I will tell you that while the battle in Iraq was for mainly noble causes, the main reason was to close the backdoor of Iran. Sure I know you will try vainly to wrap your head around this one, but the reason for going to Iraq first was to surround Iran. (we are already in Afganistan)
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We are not creating terrorists, Glass. You are not by chance a battered spouse are you? Seems you are all too willing to take blame for the evil doings of others.
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quote:Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco: Glass, we all know Iraq had no ties to 9-11 even though Attah met with the senior Iraqi Intell. official just days before coming to America to begin his flight training. We also know that the Boeing 747 carcus at a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq wasn't used by Attah to train for the attack. I know you can't figure this out on your own so I will tell you that while the battle in Iraq was for mainly noble causes, the main reason was to close the backdoor of Iran. Sure I know you will try vainly to wrap your head around this one, but the reason for going to Iraq first was to surround Iran. (we are already in Afganistan)
so you at least are willing to admit that the war in Iraq was not altruistic.... let's talk the TRUTH.... cuz guess what, the President isn't....
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If you wish to understand the reasons France Germany and Russia's reluctance to sign on, then I suggest you spend more time investigating the "Oil For Food" scandal. Yes it was a war for oil, sadly for your arguement, the US was not fighting for oil, France was resisting a fight to keep a sweet deal. An illegal deal but damn sweet.
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Glass, I have always understood that Iraq was a strategic battle, I have left it up to you commies to misunderstand what I meant by that.
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quote:Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco: Glass, I have always understood that Iraq was a strategic battle, I have left it up to you commies to misunderstand what I meant by that.
then why does the Bush/Cheney political machine present it in their speeches as altruistic?
i'll tell you why, cuz the truth won't get them ELECTED...LOL
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The problem you commies have with the battle in iraq is that you cannot fathom doing something for more than one reason. Have you ever stopped for gas not only because you needed gas but your kid had to go to the bathroom and your wife was hungry? What happens when your wife decides she isn't hungry? Do you call the stop an injustice and raise hell over it? We went to Iraq for many reasons. One of the reasons turned out to be invalid. So we should forget the fact that we liberated fifty-million people? We should forget the fact that we surrounded our biggest enemy in the war on terror? Glass, I admire your spunk, but your perception of reality isn't worth admiration.
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if you really read my postings, you will see that i am not against war.... you will see that i am critisizing Bush for being a failure. he entered the war on FALSE PRETENSES.....
and he is giving us tax breaks while he spends an extera 200 BILION dolars....
he also just passed the LARGEST medicaid increase ever...LOL but he is helping the seniors with their medical costs????LOL oh yeah some lottery for getting a RX card...JOKE
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The truth will get Bush elected again. Watch it happen. The majority of americans are smart enough to see his opponent for what he is.... french-looking. This is not Europe, we do not want to become confused with europe. Give Kerry a chance and soon you will be driving a golf cart to your governmentally mandated unionized job after you have spent two years in governmentally mandated job testing. I hope you enjoy the fast food industry.
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Glass, I have read your posts. As you well know I am about the only one who confronts you on these political threads. You are against the war because you don't know exactly why we went. Fortunately for you I am here to tell you why, as I have done repeatidly. If you care to listen to Bush telling you why we went to war I suggest you travel to C-SPAN.com and listen to all of his national addresses. You will find no difference in what I have told you.
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