quote:Originally posted by will: Ric, you're talking to a pig farmer and brick wall. Calm yourself, relax. Go do some T/A. I put up a few stocks : OMOG , INSN , BWDI .
LOL, I will look at them tomorrow night I promise.
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Ric T/A CMKX chart. I'll post it next post.
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What the heck! There's nothing there. How you going to analize that? Oh! Wait, it's been anal-ized here for the last couple of years. You would want to analyze it. legal and company anal-ized it enough.
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You know its alright for you to call some of us bashers for telling the truth and giving the facts. Yet none of you will admit that you know very little about investing and made a bad choice. These theories and rumors that you keep passing off as fact are just about the worst form of investor manipulation that someone could have but over on investors. And now like UC did you are covering it up by trying your best to make a bad situation look like gold. Good luck with your ETGMF shares. Entourage has all but admitted that they wouldn't allow CMKX shareholders to take control. So by the time your shares see the light of day ETGMF share will be diluted to where your shares are worthless. Now that is IMO but wait and see. But facts are that the Casavants illegally frontloaded a company they were about to give claims too. So I see more SEC problems soon.
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They're just rockheads, man. I been thinking who's crazier them or me. They're nuts and I try to argue with them. It's kinda like trying to explain to a guy in a nut house that the drinking fountain isn't a urinal. You'll never convince him because it works for him, and he doesn't know any better, he's NUTS !
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quote:Originally posted by Otttoman: Upside...Blah, Blah, Blah. First you all say that CMXK share are worthless and that all is lost for the koolaide drinkers. Now that it's been officially announced that CMKX cert holders will actually get divys for their shares, you start bashing the divys. Were is your evidence that the divys (Entourage shares) won't be able to be traded until 2008...more basher BS! I can wait until 2008 to trade my divys if it comes to it...at least I'll have them. My divys are coming, are yours? Or did you sell out too early to be locked in. Either way I don't care, I'm covered.
You're getting restricted (Rule 144) shares. They can be unrestricted after a year by paying a fee, obtaining an opion letter from the issuers counsel, and filing with the SEC. They become free trading after a two year holding period. Assuming they're issued at some point in 2006, that takes you to 2008 before they're free and clear of all restrictions.
Whew, when I first started reading this I thought I was getting banned from the board.
If this is true then I'll answer your original question. I think they'll be worth $15/ share by the time I can trade them in 2008. (that should get some good responses. bash away boys)
What do you base your $15.00 per share on?
Sorry, I guess you missed my first try at sarcasm. Let me try and be more serious for a moment. Okay. I'm ready. To be honest, I have no idea what Entourage shares will be trading at in 2008, but wait for a minute while I get into my trusty time machine and speed off into the future to find out.
Okay, I'm back, and I'd love to tell you what the pps will be in 2008, but the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 prevents me from divulging such information.
Who knows and who cares what the price will be in 2008. If I'm alive in 2008 to check on them I'll be sure and let you know. The important thing is that CMKX cert holders are getting divys (contradictory to all the former theories on this board). If they have value when they can be traded, great, if not, to bad for us koolaid drinkers. In either case, we will live to trade another day and are locked into something that is out of our control at this point. No use complaining one way or the other
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I was thinking the same thing, not that you were crazy that I was, lol
But teaching school drove me crazy. Since retirement I guess that I still need children to argue with. Ain't you glad that I taught math and not English. lol
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So, at 72 shares per million Entourage shares will have to be worth $1.38 for breakeven. That's after waiting two years to trade them, plus a fee of $150, $250 to unrestrict them. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me. (That's if you bought at .0001). Most of these pinheads bought at an average price higher then .0001. So, .0002, well you do the math, real math, not cult math. at .0002 $2.76 a share, at .0003...........
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yea, hope you enjoy sucking on your sour grapes. Figure it out for yourself. You really think Entourage will even see a $1 a share. You are nuts if you do. Enjoy!
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Is the Task Force going to make money off this? From what I hear the company will get $5 for every cert pulled. So if 50K shareholders pull certs not counting those that have to have more then one cert do to the size of shares held thats $250,000.00 more that they make off CMKX shareholders even after its dead. But then to the brokers are have a field day with this with $40-$50 dollar cert charges and only a $5 cost to them.
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Our office has already received numerous complaints from shareholders that are having difficulty getting certs from their brokers. I fully expect this to get worse. This office is aware that most brokerage houses are unable or unwilling to help you obtain certs to which you are entitled.
I assume we have no recourse if the brokers deny requests for certs??
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Ed, I wish I could link you to all of the posts about brokers denying certs, but unfortunately it is not allowed here. But here is one you could use. Nevada Law:
CMKX is governed by nevada law. Is Incorporated in Nevada. Here are the Rights you have as a shareholder under Nevada law NRS 78.235
1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 4, every stockholder is entitled to have a certificate, signed by officers or agents designated by the corporation for the purpose, certifying the number of shares owned by him in the corporation.
2. Whenever any certificate is countersigned or otherwise authenticated by a transfer agent or transfer clerk, and by a registrar, then a facsimile of the signatures of the officers or agents, the transfer agent or transfer clerk or the registrar of the corporation may be printed or lithographed upon the certificate in lieu of the actual signatures. If a corporation uses facsimile signatures of its officers and agents on its stock certificates, it cannot act as registrar of its own stock, but its transfer agent and registrar may be identical if the institution acting in those dual capacities countersigns or otherwise authenticates any stock certificates in both capacities.
3. If any officer or officers who have signed, or whose facsimile signature or signatures have been used on, any certificate or certificates for stock cease to be an officer or officers of the corporation, whether because of death, resignation or other reason, before the certificate or certificates have been delivered by the corporation, the certificate or certificates may nevertheless be adopted by the corporation and be issued and delivered as though the person or persons who signed the certificate or certificates, or whose facsimile signature or signatures have been used thereon, had not ceased to be an officer or officers of the corporation.
4. Unless otherwise provided in the articles of incorporation or bylaws, the board of directors may authorize the issuance of uncertificated shares of some or all of the shares of any or all of its classes or series. The issuance of uncertificated shares has no effect on existing certificates for shares until surrendered to the corporation, or on the respective rights and obligations of the stockholders. Unless otherwise provided by a specific statute, the rights and obligations of stockholders are identical whether or not their shares of stock are represented by certificates.
5. Within a reasonable time after the issuance or transfer of shares without certificates, the corporation shall send the stockholder a written statement containing the information required on the certificates pursuant to subsection 1. At least annually thereafter, the corporation shall provide to its stockholders of record, a written statement confirming the information contained in the informational statement previously sent pursuant to this subsection.
6. Unless otherwise provided in the articles of incorporation or bylaws, a corporation may issue a new certificate of stock or, if authorized by the board of directors pursuant to subsection 4, uncertificated shares in place of a certificate previously issued by it and alleged to have been lost, stolen or destroyed. A corporation may require an owner or legal representative of an owner of a lost, stolen or destroyed certificate to give the corporation a bond or other security sufficient to indemnify it against any claim that may be made against it for the alleged loss, theft or destruction of a certificate, or the issuance of a new certificate or uncertificated shares.
If anyone denies your right to recieve a certificate for your ownership. they are in violation of the law. Certs are your right under the juristiction of cmkm's governing body. Period.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just got off the phone with a member of the Transfer Agency currently working with CMKX.
For those of you that know who they are, please do not deluge them with calls. They are over-busy, as you can imagine, taking cert pull requests. Let them be.
I WILL tell you the following: If you have a broker that will not deliver your certs OR you have your shares in an IRA, you CAN GET YOUR CERTS!
Do not give up, nor should you allow the brokers to tell you that you cannot get your certificates.
I learned from my contact at the Transfer Agent that, if your broker refuses to give you your certs, inform your broker that you are CLOSING your account and moving your shares from their brokerage to a new one. BY LAW, the brokerage house MUST give you your certs at that time, or make arrangements to transfer the certs to your new brokerage house. There is NO WAY they can avoid this.
For IRA holders, you can pull certs as often as you wish, as long as you put the certs back into your IRA within 60 days of receiving them. There is no penalty and no cost, other than the fact that you had to pay to have your certs pulled. Depending on your deal with your brokerage house, you may pay anything from 0 to 50 bucks. This is a small price to pay to be included in the dividend of ETGMF shares coming up for "bona fide" cert holders.
Folks, it is my suspicion that more shares exist in "book entry" at the various brokerage houses than actually exist at the Transfer Agent. In other words, the cumulative pool of shares held by all shareholders EXCEEDS the actual number of Outstanding Shares.
The Stock Transfer agent I spoke to said that when a broker accepts your order for stocks, they must have those shares held in street name, allocated to your account. When a brokerage house indicates that it may have trouble filling all the cert requests, this means that THEY DID NOT BUY all the shares when they were purchased. For example, though the cumulative pool of CMKX shares amongst all of XYZ Brokerage House's customers may be 100 million shares, they may only hold 20 million in STREET NAME, leaving 80 million shares in "book entry" but not as certs held in STREET NAME.
When I asked the Transfer Agent who was responsible for making up the difference, he said "The Broker is." And, I asked, if CMKX is revoked and no more shares can be bought, what then?
He laughed and said "Good question...ask your Broker."
So, if the Brokerage house made an executive decision to NOT keep all book entry shares backed by certs in Street name, they are ROYALLY SCREWED.
Regardless, you MUST hold them to task to give you the certs you paid for. It is not YOUR fault that they didn't buy the shares when you did...it is THEIR fault and they are legally liable to get them to you...in any way possible.
You truly are in the driver's seat.
What the company is doing now is demanding that all shares BE COUNTED. This can only be done by demanding certs.
The Transfer Agent contact of whom I'm writing told me that, in all his years as a Transfer Agent, he has only seen one bad cert come across his desk.
See, when a brokerage house buys shares for you, they own a cert held in "STREET NAME" or "CEDE and Company" for you. When you ask for certs, they peel off the number of shares you have and exchange those shares for a cert from the Transfer Agent.
Now, if you paid your money and your brokerage house never bothered to GET the cert in Street name, they will do everything in their power to stop you from getting your certs. It is the BROKER'S responsibility to provide you with the certs you paid for. With CMKX revoked, they cannot buy CMKX shares off the open market, so they are essentially screwed.
Please, folks, do NOT let your broker tell you that you cannot pull certs. Certs are the ONLY valid way to represent the shares that you bought and paid for. Do not accept that the broker does not provide certs. Do not accept that certs cannot be pulled from an IRA account. Do not accept ANY reason at all. If they won't do it, cancel your account and transfer the contents elsewhere.
If you have made it this far, I thank you. I know it's a lot, but it is VITAL to the success of CMKX shareholders that you accept NO EXCUSE for not getting your certs.
If your broker will not order CMKM Diamonds stock certificates for you or says they are not available, please get them to put it into writing and forward that information to
justice*cmkmtaskforce.com If you cannot get it in writing, then forward complete details to the same email address.
The company was forbidden to do a call for certs prior to revocation under threat by the SEC. They were told they would be charged with stock manipulation if they did so. That, in my opinion, is why revocation was welcomed by the company when all other options failed. This is CMKX's "nuclear option" and it is going to rock the financial world when the first shareholder screams that they cannot get certs because the transfer agent has no more. Could happen in a few days or a few weeks but it is almost certainly going to happen. At that point, as STATED IN THE LAST PR, legal action will be taken by Maheu at a federal level. Imagine what will happen when Robert Maheu, who can easily get in front of a camera on 60 minutes or Dateline or any of a dozen major media venues, comes out and states that he is going to sue, on behalf of tens of thousands of CMKX shareholders, Etrade and other brokerages who cannot deliver certificates in CMKX because they knowingly and wantonly placed in our accounts counterfeit electronic shares. Can you imagine the lengths Etrade and other brokerages who are caught in this trap will go to to prevent this from happening? For the brokerages and the shorters of CMKX, Maheu is the most dangerous person on this earth right now and he has tens of thousands of troops backing him up. This could burn Etrade to the ground and they will do everything possible to prevent it. This is it folks, Maheu and Urban have dropped the bomb and the clock is ticking.
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ottoman...you need to step back & look at what you are saying. your happy to be locked into a 13,000 to 1 r/s. since when is being locked into an r/s a good thing???? as for the cost of the cert pull that means your not only getting r/s'ed your paying to get r/s'ed. on that point i guess why not...if you have held cmkx this long why not throw another $40 at it, at least you'll get something back from this scam. what you'll get back is stock, restricted or not, in a company with over 100 million in the o/s, (they said they won't let cmkx shareholders take control) a bunch of unexplored mineral claims, broke & in the hole a few million, no money to explore the claims & a few of the ppl that ran the cmkx scam on board. on the positive side the company is canadian still. the canadian exchange went thru a large number of mining company scams a few yrs ago. so many it closed an exchange. thus they watch mining companies & everything they say & do like a hawk. this means if entourage says something its true & there are no hidden messages. they have to give the whole story not pieces or half truths. wanna bet they move to nevada???...lol
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bill, didn't someone already say they are set up to be a Nevada company already? Read it somewhere. Forgot who said it. I think it was mentioned on the last thread.
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"The company was forbidden to do a call for certs prior to revocation under threat by the SEC. They were told they would be charged with stock manipulation if they did so."
prove it. there is nothing out there to say the SEC told cmkx to do anything except report
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they have an office in nevada & are registered there so that they can trade on american exchange but they are still considered a forgien company thus the F at the end. but it won't take much to move to american only.
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The only thing they have proof of is $0.00 in their accounts accross from the symbol CMKX.
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bill, your first wrong assumption is the dividend ratio. You first have to determine how much of the OS is in UC's control. If you want to make an assumption, base it on some reasoning. Under extreme SEC scrutiny, Urban has been making many impactive decisions for the company, meaning he has control of 51% of the OS. So knock off about 350 billion that he or family control. Then you have to remove the 144 restricted shares that were used to fuel the naked short. They won't be eligible for distribtions either. So until you have the exact numbers, finally determined, you have nothing to base your ratio on.
Entourage already has a Nevada Office, maybe two. Keep an eye on Entourage Group, LLC.
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Thanks for the info, legal. I submitted the form to Ameriturd for my certs. Now I wait and see what happens. So far they have not acknowledged receipt of the form, altho it was filed electronically via internet. At the very least, I can repaper my bathroom....LOL
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Today was Monumental IMO. « Thread Started on Yesterday at 10:43pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me start by saying that if you are focusing on the value of the ETGMF distribution, you need to re-focus. imo
I'm not even concerned with the value attached to the ETGMF deal, IMO it's not what's key. What's key is the fact that the deal was consummated. It was the event that will be used to trigger the legitimization of the NSS shares. imo.
This whole play has been so perfectly executed thus far imo. When certain entities were holding out on settlements and not closing out their NSS position, the Team decided enough was enough imo. The Team instituted the necessary plan to handle the "holdouts". I think we may have already had substantial settlements in terms of dollars and the amount of NSS already covered, but I also believe there are more than a few entities that refuse to settle (so far anyway, lol!)
This part of the plan is basically saying to the shorts, "We've had enough of you dragging your feet, time to play ball!" Only Maheu is swinging the bat! The ETGMF deal has more to do with the total number of NSS CMKX shares than it does with the 50MIL ETGMF shares. It is the CMKX shares that cannot be covered, period.
Now for those who don't think we have any assets or valuation. I suspect that the company wouldn't have even made the effort today if we didn't have anything of significant value at stake. I truly doubt that the only thing the company had going for it was a NSS position. You simply cannot enlist the caliber of people we have, to fight the NSS on the merits of the NSS alone. Nor would the insiders hold the majority of the A/S if they didn't think it was going to be worth a fortune.
I suspect once the share structure is determined, only then will the company start dropping the valuation bombs. It would be useless to release any of that kind of news right now. IMO I think it would spawn fraud from everywhere if the company announced it had a 40B or 80B dollar asset, and if you wanted a piece of it to send them a copy of your certs!
This is a game of chess, and I believe UC, Maheu, Stoecklein, and the TEAM have already figured out every possible angle to ensure that CMKX shareholders - both electronic and cert holders, and the company have won.
Now in regards to pulling your certs. What's paramount in this action is that you request them and document any difficulties in receiving them. Actually receiving them will imo prove to be next to impossible as the weeks progress - why? Because I have a sneaky suspicion that the lion's share of them are already accounted for.
So then why is the company advising you to pull them if next to none exist? Because the result of that action is going to provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt that fraud has been committed on the part of the DTCC, MMS, and Brokerage firms who sold these counterfeit shares to all you good people - imo.
Is there a risk that the company may lose this battle and leave the NSS shareholders behind to fend for themselves? Yes, BUT highly unlikely imo. If that was the plan, they certainly wouldn't be going through all of the trouble to establish the NSS, they would simply say pull your certs by the end of December to be eligible for ETGMF shares and other assets and leave it at that.
If CMKX shareholders can rise to the challenge and join together to stand up and fight for their rights and combat the fraud and crimes that have belabored them and so many others for so many years, then I think we can in fact expose the criminals for what and who they truly are and make a change in the marketplace now and in the future. I also believe we would be looking at perhaps the largest monetary settlement ever awarded for damages, in US history.
Now is the time to take ownership of responsibilty for your investment in CMKX if you think you deserve to be rewarded at all.
quote:Originally posted by ed19363: Thanks for the info, legal. I submitted the form to Ameriturd for my certs. Now I wait and see what happens. So far they have not acknowledged receipt of the form, altho it was filed electronically via internet. At the very least, I can repaper my bathroom....LOL
Ed, don't forget, from the Master Shareholders List that AMTD purchased 180 billion certed shares directly from CMKX and still had about 135 billion unsurrendered as of the making of that list. They either expended that kind of money because they thought this was the "stock play of a lifetime"; or they were covering the naked short, and couldn't depend on the DTCC. There should be no reason for them to deny you certs, they spent tens of millions not to.
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1. Why must 100% of all worldwide CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) Shareholders pull certs?
2. Has CMKX been naked shorted?
3. When will the Entourage Distribution be issued?
4. What if my shares are held in an IRA or Overseas Account?
5. What if my broker refuses to issue a Certificate?
Why must 100% of all worldwide CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) Shareholders pull certs? The Entourage distribution will ONLY be paid to valid owners of CMKX. The company has determined that the only way to verify that you own valid CMKX shares is if you have physical possession your CMKX. If you choose not to order certificates, you will not participate in the Entourage distribution. The second reason for demanding a 100% certificate pull is determine the actual number of CMKX shares held by all shareholders, worldwide. If the total number of CMKX shares exceeds CMKX’s outstanding share count, this may be due to the existence of Naked Short Shares in the Market. Go to top added/updated * 2005-11-04 14:58:19
Has CMKX been naked shorted? Credible information indicates the number of naked short shares is potentially as high as 2 trillion shares. However, these numbers must be legally confirmed and validated before any action can be taken. That said, the time has arrived for all CMKX shareholders to flex our considerable collective power in this united campaign to achieve justice for friends, families and ourselves. It is our belief that CMKX shareholders have been handed, on a silver platter, the opportunity to become the most formidable force the naked short sale perpetrators have ever faced. Go to top added/updated * 2005-11-04 14:57:53
When will the Entourage Distribution be issued? It is our intent and obligation to assure no CMKX shareholder with certificates is left out! Therefore, we cannot provide a time on when the distribution will be issued, but it is reasonable to assume that just the process of you receiving your valid certificates from the Broker may take several weeks. Go to top added/updated * 2005-11-04 15:03:16
What if my shares are held in an IRA or Overseas Account? We know there are cases where the ability to obtain certificates is problematic: shares held in Individual Retirement Accounts, shares held by certain non-US brokers, and situations where shareholders are not able to pay the certificate fee charged by brokers. However, to participate in the Entourage distribution, you must have a legitimate Certificate. Please contact your Broker and determine the process by which shares held in these types of Accounts can be issued Certificates. As we learn more information on best practices around these situations, we will update this website. Please note that everyone who does pull certificates will be helping to right a monumental wrong that permeates our entire market system. This is an opportunity to participate in a history-making event. Our success may very well hinge on the shareholder community's perseverance in obtaining this proof of bona-fide share ownership. Go to top added/updated * 2005-11-04 14:37:44
What if my broker refuses to issue a Certificate? If you place a request for certificates and receive any type of resistance or refusal by the broker to fulfill your request, please contact us immediately by the email listed below with a description of your circumstances. You should try to obtain something in writing from your broker. Documentation of the broker’s refusal is important An email address has been set up specifically for these kinds of certificate-related problems with brokers: justice*cmkmtaskforce.com. Go to top added/updated * 2005-11-04 15:18:01
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I think its funny though, one person says they are having trouble and they list through whom then 10 follow them and say I just called and had no problems. Just seems funny. But still, when the majority of 50K people try and call all in the same day to get certs there is going to be trouble that sounds normal. But as stated for every one that complains they had trouble they are 10 that say they just did it with no problems. As far as overseas are concerned they knew they would have problems even before the cert call.
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: bill, your first wrong assumption is the dividend ratio. You first have to determine how much of the OS is in UC's control. If you want to make an assumption, base it on some reasoning. Under extreme SEC scrutiny, Urban has been making many impactive decisions for the company, meaning he has control of 51% of the OS. So knock off about 350 billion that he or family control. Then you have to remove the 144 restricted shares that were used to fuel the naked short. They won't be eligible for distribtions either. So until you have the exact numbers, finally determined, you have nothing to base your ratio on.
Entourage already has a Nevada Office, maybe two. Keep an eye on Entourage Group, LLC.
Legal if you look at the accountanting books that were posted you will see 1 preferred share there. I know the 14C said that the one was retired but obviously UC issued himself one after he stopped reporting according to the books. But no matter what the Master Shareholders list proved UC and family did not own 51% of common shares, period. Dream all you like it isn't so. Also if you look at the Master Shareholders list, most of the 144 shares had already been converted and the few that weren't were from a few of the 360. And I bet they get shares in Entourage. They may need to convert first I don't no but the Task Force never said they wouldn't get there fair shares.
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: bill, your first wrong assumption is the dividend ratio. You first have to determine how much of the OS is in UC's control. If you want to make an assumption, base it on some reasoning. Under extreme SEC scrutiny, Urban has been making many impactive decisions for the company, meaning he has control of 51% of the OS. So knock off about 350 billion that he or family control. Then you have to remove the 144 restricted shares that were used to fuel the naked short. They won't be eligible for distribtions either. So until you have the exact numbers, finally determined, you have nothing to base your ratio on.
Entourage already has a Nevada Office, maybe two. Keep an eye on Entourage Group, LLC.
Legal if you look at the accountanting books that were posted you will see 1 preferred share there. I know the 14C said that the one was retired but obviously UC issued himself one after he stopped reporting according to the books. But no matter what the Master Shareholders list proved UC and family did not own 51% of common shares, period. Dream all you like it isn't so.
OBVIOUSLY? Where do you find that obvious? The "books" were rough draft. The Sharholders list was at best incomplete. And if accurate, they are still "YEAR OLD" records. Lots of things can happen in a year.
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Yeah lots of things like UC and family selling their remaining 12 billion shares. I was just giving you an out legal from calling UC a crook for using 51% to pass rules without a shareholders meeting. He either lied or he has 1 preferred share that gave him 51% voting rights. No matter what the reconstructed books to date had 1 preferred share listed on it and the master shareholders list proved UC and family did not own 51% of the common shares.
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I dont give two pieces of crap for shareholder lists and SEC/DTCC/TA records. This incessant arguing is unneccessary. All I want is some money in return for the money I invested. It's that simple. I refuse to drink Kool-aid, but if I am required to pull certs, then I will pull certs. All these numbers that are floating around are meaningless, because nothing can be proven one way or another. Scrap the whole argument and just send me enough money to cover my purchases. I never did like the idea of being a millionaire, cause the IRS would get most of it anyway. Can we PLEASE knock off the bickering. If UC is a crook, and CMKX was a scam, it will be proven by the passage of time. The same is true in reverse. In the meantime, it's still your decision to buy or not buy ETGMF. The stock market is still a crap-shoot, no matter what company you invest in.
-------------------- If I give you bad information, please feel free to sue me. I have nothing left anyway. Ed Posts: 1772 | From: Oxford, PA, USA | Registered: Oct 2004
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-------------------- If I give you bad information, please feel free to sue me. I have nothing left anyway. Ed Posts: 1772 | From: Oxford, PA, USA | Registered: Oct 2004
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But for sure we know one thing. After UC and family sold there shares off they were illegally buying up shares in another company after the SEC told UC that he better start filing. It is pretty obvious whta happened there. UC and RG were told by the SEC that their was an error in their 15-G and they need to correct it. RG and UC sit down to figure out what to do. RG suggested that he hire a securities lawyer that was in the dark and a well know personality then reinstate the 15-G. While in the background UC and family was working on a plan to dump CMKX and start a new scam. Because they knew they could never file a financial. They told these people nothing other then to try and file knowing the books need wasn't there. UC took the 5th and let everyone else make this look legit while he set u this new paycheck. After it looked like the shareholders weren't going to hang him from the highest tree, he started his plan. He knew the the cult would buy this new con and start investing in the new company. While all the frontloaded shares become available to see right before the shareholders get their. They now get restricted shares that will never see the light of day until the new company dilutes the shares enough to where ex-CMKX shareholders shares are now not worth anything.
Hows that for a theory Legal. It actually has more facts in it then most of the cults theories.
-------------------- Invest with your brain not with your heart. Posts: 4405 | From: Bristol, Tn, USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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