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this stock will drive you nuts if you watch it all day. It will be sideways for a while, a lot of people on the sidelines that cut and ran when they bought in at .015 and took 30% losses, b/c they were convinced it was going to .008 I dont think it will go subpenny, but it will take some time until people feel good about jumping back on. Im looking for slower volume and sideways trading for at least a month, then slowly going to .02 within 4-5 months as more buyers feel confident about buying.
quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: We'll see if the financials even do that much harm. I recall the new O/S from last time bashing us down from the slow gains we made but not putting us into any loss. And the actual profit numbers don't matter. hey, if they show green for profit maybe we won't care so much about the O/S. But anyway, I'm holding until that result comes out. If I see a sell off, I';ll sell with it then buy right back in after 2 days. No big deal, we're gonna get an uptrend before then.
It was more than the dilution. It was far less than expected subscription numbers as well as the statement about the CC pilot not generating a lot of subs.
Anyone think they will be at the 4 billion O/S mark by the next quarterly?
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Probably. It might even be higher. Yes the lesser subscriptions made this crash too, only because we thought they had more. JF should know better than to let rumors of having a lot more fly around. But who knows, maybe we'll be surprised with how many we've gotten this time. They did slow down the expansion to get DC's out there. Either they expect a lot or their capacity is already low.
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saw this from another guy, may help answer questions. heres one part from it from mngmt.
3-21-06 Authorized Common Shares Question: What the current Authorized Common Shares for the company?
Answer: As of 3-21-06 the Authorized Common Shares was increased from 4,000,000,000 to 25,000,000,000. These shares have not been Issued merely made available if they are ever needed. 3-21-06
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I realize that all of you are not familiar with me (primarily because I rarely post). I have been following GZFX for years but I would venture to guess not as close as most of you. I have a few comments/questions and would appreciate any feedback you have. It's an interesting thing . . . I don't believe there has been any PR that is remotely close to the magnitude of the rubber stamping of the CC deal (agree?). Yet, activity on the PPS came and went very quickly with not all that much advancement. I know there is uncertainty in the O/S but I still find what has occurred recently as quite odd. Something I'd like input on (and I realize I'm asking for opinions) is would CC have gone forward with GZFX if the pilot program proved less than desirable results (which I believe would be quantified in subscriptions, wouldn't it?)? Isn't the whole idea behind the pilot program to prove out those few locations to determine whether to move forward with all locations? If so, wouldn't we anticipate the subscription results of the pilot sites to be somewhat "substantial". I say that in quotes because I'm not sure quantitatively what the numbers would be. If the activity in terms of subscriptions was low, is there any other foreseeable reason that CC would have moved forward with the deal? I know there's a lot of questions in there but they primarily stem from how dumbfounded I feel in regards to the lack of PPS advancement and activity. Is it really as simple as saying that it all lies in the O/S announcement?
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I can't see why Circuit City wouldn't do the deal. They make free income. They do pretty much nothing to promote GZFX. It doesn't cost them anything anyway. Hell, if they made 4000 subs happen for the pilot that'd be $120,000 profit to them if I am correct. It was $30/sub right? I bet that'll go down for the roll-out but they're going to be getting so many more subscriptions. Plus CC wants to get into the DVD/Game rental service so this is a way to get their name out there for it.
But the answer your questions bestly, I would just say that the stock is going to go up and down regardless of how well they are doing. For every really good PR, it shoots up and gives us a chance to sell a major profit. And for bad news, it really just drops a little and recovers quite quickly. People are interested in this stock, but who cares about the company doing well in the longrun. That's not where the money is at. When we get PR's we make money if we know to sell. I didn't sell immediately because I thought it'd run longer than 10 minutes but apparently they have such a good grip on this stock now it's going to be tough for us to uncontrollably buy it now. Too many shares I guess. the MM's own it more than they did before.
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i think that your on to something with the subs, theres several reasons why the pps is low. O/S mystery is one of them. Investor confidence isnt high. PPS will go up when the roll out begins IMO and increases subs.
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Just passing this info along to you all so you know what Netflix is up to in regards to thier promotion going on.
I received a Netflix mailer today to try their services free for two weeks. I prolly won't try it, just wanted you all to be aware of it. I have never owned any Netflix stock either, but still received the mailer.
quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: I can't see why Circuit City wouldn't do the deal. They make free income. They do pretty much nothing to promote GZFX. It doesn't cost them anything anyway. Hell, if they made 4000 subs happen for the pilot that'd be $120,000 profit to them if I am correct. It was $30/sub right? I bet that'll go down for the roll-out but they're going to be getting so many more subscriptions. Plus CC wants to get into the DVD/Game rental service so this is a way to get their name out there for it.
But the answer your questions bestly, I would just say that the stock is going to go up and down regardless of how well they are doing. For every really good PR, it shoots up and gives us a chance to sell a major profit. And for bad news, it really just drops a little and recovers quite quickly. People are interested in this stock, but who cares about the company doing well in the longrun. That's not where the money is at. When we get PR's we make money if we know to sell. I didn't sell immediately because I thought it'd run longer than 10 minutes but apparently they have such a good grip on this stock now it's going to be tough for us to uncontrollably buy it now. Too many shares I guess. the MM's own it more than they did before.
Thanks for the feedback. I would agree that CC isn't necessarily going to invest advertising dollars into GZFX. However, having space set aside in ALL of their stores dedicated to GZFX does cost money. It's a portion of real estate that has real costs, and as such, needs to be filled with something that carries a certain amount of potential value. In other words, CC has a vested interest to place "money making" products in their store. This definitely isn't a company that's making crap shoot decisions in regards to what they offer to their customers. So, in a really drawn out way, and for what it's worth, I guess I'm saying that my confidence is high on the success of GZFX.
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: Probably. It might even be higher. Yes the lesser subscriptions made this crash too, only because we thought they had more. JF should know better than to let rumors of having a lot more fly around. But who knows, maybe we'll be surprised with how many we've gotten this time. They did slow down the expansion to get DC's out there. Either they expect a lot or their capacity is already low.
Well let's be honest. JF out and out lied in the wallst.net interview. He clearly said they are "almost halfway" to the number of subs required to be profitable and that was in November.
He was nowhere close.
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quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Just passing this info along to you all so you know what Netflix is up to in regards to thier promotion going on.
I received a Netflix mailer today to try their services free for two weeks. I prolly won't try it, just wanted you all to be aware of it. I have never owned any Netflix stock either, but still received the mailer.
They're everywhere. They must be in the middle of a massive and expensive advertising campaign because everywhere I look, be it newspaper, magazine, internet or TV, they are there.
Maybe GZFX will have that kind of money soon.
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Well, my wife just used the coupon from Netflix. You are allowed 4 movies it appears in the two weeks. I wasn't going to use it, but I guess she had different plans. lol
quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: I can't see why Circuit City wouldn't do the deal. They make free income. They do pretty much nothing to promote GZFX. It doesn't cost them anything anyway. Hell, if they made 4000 subs happen for the pilot that'd be $120,000 profit to them if I am correct. It was $30/sub right? I bet that'll go down for the roll-out but they're going to be getting so many more subscriptions. Plus CC wants to get into the DVD/Game rental service so this is a way to get their name out there for it.
But the answer your questions bestly, I would just say that the stock is going to go up and down regardless of how well they are doing. For every really good PR, it shoots up and gives us a chance to sell a major profit. And for bad news, it really just drops a little and recovers quite quickly. People are interested in this stock, but who cares about the company doing well in the longrun. That's not where the money is at. When we get PR's we make money if we know to sell. I didn't sell immediately because I thought it'd run longer than 10 minutes but apparently they have such a good grip on this stock now it's going to be tough for us to uncontrollably buy it now. Too many shares I guess. the MM's own it more than they did before.
Thanks for the feedback. I would agree that CC isn't necessarily going to invest advertising dollars into GZFX. However, having space set aside in ALL of their stores dedicated to GZFX does cost money. It's a portion of real estate that has real costs, and as such, needs to be filled with something that carries a certain amount of potential value. In other words, CC has a vested interest to place "money making" products in their store. This definitely isn't a company that's making crap shoot decisions in regards to what they offer to their customers. So, in a really drawn out way, and for what it's worth, I guess I'm saying that my confidence is high on the success of GZFX.
Here is what GZFX had to say about the CC pilot. From their 10KSB:
quote:GZFX Filing said:
Although the overall number of subscribers obtained from the Circuit City service agreement was not considered significant in relation to the number of new subscribers added during the last quarter of 2005, we believe that our relationship with Circuit City brought more prominence and recognition to the Company.
We don't know the extent of the marketing agreement that GZFX has with CC. Maybe there won't be a large display with a kiosk, but rather they will stock the "boxes" for the memberships and have a PC available to sign people up in store.
Here is the only info on the agreement from the PR:
quote: From the GZFX PR
The agreement calls for a rollout of GameZnFlix's service by offering prepaid service cards at each of Circuit City's Superstores. The agreement calls for adding between 45 and 110 locations each month until full deployment is reached prior to the 2006 holiday season. Financial terms of the agreement are not being disclosed.
All it notes is that the prepaid cards will be in store. The gross margin on these are good and take up little space, so they must have crunched the numbers and said it's worth it.
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Well, that was probably also with the current debt they had then. Obviously after November the expenses went up and now it takes more to become profitable. I don't pay attention to the numbers but I'm sure he didn't liehis ass off over it, just made it seem really great when it wasn't so great. That's all it takes to kill the price. Better to say they're failing and show they're not than to overestimate it.
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: Probably. It might even be higher. Yes the lesser subscriptions made this crash too, only because we thought they had more. JF should know better than to let rumors of having a lot more fly around. But who knows, maybe we'll be surprised with how many we've gotten this time. They did slow down the expansion to get DC's out there. Either they expect a lot or their capacity is already low.
Well let's be honest. JF out and out lied in the wallst.net interview. He clearly said they are "almost halfway" to the number of subs required to be profitable and that was in November.
He was nowhere close.
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: Well, that was probably also with the current debt they had then. Obviously after November the expenses went up and now it takes more to become profitable. I don't pay attention to the numbers but I'm sure he didn't liehis ass off over it, just made it seem really great when it wasn't so great. That's all it takes to kill the price. Better to say they're failing and show they're not than to overestimate it.
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: Probably. It might even be higher. Yes the lesser subscriptions made this crash too, only because we thought they had more. JF should know better than to let rumors of having a lot more fly around. But who knows, maybe we'll be surprised with how many we've gotten this time. They did slow down the expansion to get DC's out there. Either they expect a lot or their capacity is already low.
Well let's be honest. JF out and out lied in the wallst.net interview. He clearly said they are "almost halfway" to the number of subs required to be profitable and that was in November.
He was nowhere close.
There were a lot of people (Whiz was posting their posts on other forums) doing the math based on the previous numbers and interviews. JF had said earlier that they needed 15000 subs to be profitable. He then said they were halfway.
Came out to be, what, 3000 subs?
There was massive outcry by the investors for a few days after the numbers came out, then everyone forgot about it.
It's all a matter of record.
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"There was massive outcry by the investors for a few days after the numbers came out, then everyone forgot about it."
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the pps is reflecting the sell off of those who were pissed. jmo
Sure they'll jump back in later when good news sends it back up, but I would say their slow sell off shows they didn't "forget about it". Oh well, just small talk.
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: 3000 total or 3000 made from CC? I thought they had 6000 to begin with before CC even came in... or at least 3000 to start with.
Yeah, they had 3k through the first 3 quarters, and got 3k more for the last quarter.
Dunno, but the math from JF's comments really didn't add up.
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Not looking so well here. Strickly going by charts, w/o news next week shouldn't be very pretty. MACD looking very bearish, RSI turned back down, and volume has slowed. Flat out the chart looks NASTY right now! I think you guys will be testing your .011 and .01 barriers. GL, if your in; I would pray for some news soon!
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we had more volume today than yesterday, RSI turned down? you mean got lower? wtf are you talking about. It was 50 this morning and its 50 now. MACD barely turned negative, and was positive most of the day. go back to chart school Its not the end of the world, like you predict.
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That's a horrible ad. If I own a company, I would want no comparison to my competitor. I would want to be boasted as at least bigger and better, not "Will I be as good as these guys?" I'd much rather see it say something like "NetFlix times two. Movies AND Games" But I personally would not mention NetFlix. It's giving them recognition as the better company and they should be put down for better advertising sake. That ad draws on the assumption the person knows what netflix is and assumes they already know what they do. Makes em look like a copycat.
Ok I've said the same thing 5 times already. Bed time
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: That's a horrible ad. If I own a company, I would want no comparison to my competitor. I would want to be boasted as at least bigger and better, not "Will I be as good as these guys?" I'd much rather see it say something like "NetFlix times two. Movies AND Games" But I personally would not mention NetFlix. It's giving them recognition as the better company and they should be put down for better advertising sake. That ad draws on the assumption the person knows what netflix is and assumes they already know what they do. Makes em look like a copycat.
Ok I've said the same thing 5 times already. Bed time
I respect your opinion, but i dont think that its a bad thing to do, to associate themselves with a proven company, its a business strategy that can work. Kind of like "if you cant beat em join them" but not quite. Its silly to even think GZFX can touch netflix any time soon anyway. Netflix subs blow away GZFX. Netflix is incredibly succesful. Basically a powerhouse, and GZFX is just a fly on Netflix arss right now. Thats why GZFX is in penny land and Netflix trades with the big boys. And i can assume that 75% of america knows what Netflix is and does. GZFX will grow into the summer as the rollout happens. It may take a little time to get the pps up, so.. i'll be patient. IMO
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Thanks, Duda and Numa for the feedback, yesterday.
On another topic, I thought I had read in this thread somewhere about Netflix and Best Buy (probably remembering incorrectly). Do they have some kind of agreement? If not, does Netflix have any agreements with other companies like what GZFX and CC have established? If they do, what are the terms of that agreement? How is the partnering company assisting Netflix to get subs? If Netflix hasn't established any relationshipis like GZFX and CC, is their success primarily tied to being "first"?
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: That's a horrible ad. If I own a company, I would want no comparison to my competitor. I would want to be boasted as at least bigger and better, not "Will I be as good as these guys?" I'd much rather see it say something like "NetFlix times two. Movies AND Games" But I personally would not mention NetFlix. It's giving them recognition as the better company and they should be put down for better advertising sake. That ad draws on the assumption the person knows what netflix is and assumes they already know what they do. Makes em look like a copycat.
Ok I've said the same thing 5 times already. Bed time
I respect your opinion, but i dont think that its a bad thing to do, to associate themselves with a proven company, its a business strategy that can work. Kind of like "if you cant beat em join them" but not quite. Its silly to even think GZFX can touch netflix any time soon anyway. Netflix subs blow away GZFX. Netflix is incredibly succesful. Basically a powerhouse, and GZFX is just a fly on Netflix arss right now. Thats why GZFX is in penny land and Netflix trades with the big boys. And i can assume that 75% of america knows what Netflix is and does. GZFX will grow into the summer as the rollout happens. It may take a little time to get the pps up, so.. i'll be patient. IMO
Cactus I'll agree that Netflix is the big dog in this game right now. But that’s with todays technology. What about tomorrows?
Let me explain. Not putting the horse before the cart, I’m merely making an assumption as to when, how and why I think GZFX can possibly one day compete head to head with Netflix in terms of “services”, downloadable services that is…with tomorrows technology.
Yes your right, right now GZFX is merely a fly on Netflix’ ass, but what if GZFX, providing they’re successful in generating business/subs/income, can later afford to implement a changeover to a “digital download manager” that would provide an end-to-end solution that takes into account cable/satellite infrastructure, the content ecosystem, multiple devices, complex pricing, billing and digital rights management issues with movie and game distributors.
This would make mailing a DVD obsolete because then the customer, in the comfort of his LayZBoy recliner, would be able to order/rent/pay for his movie/game with a touch of his remote.
Crazy you say? …well hell yeah, but crazier things have happened.
I may be way off here, but it only makes sense to think that when technology and funding allows, companies like Netflix and Games’nFlix will want to provide their customers with services that would allow quick and integrated access to their respective (then) digital libraries.
Maybe I’m just being too optimistic here, but if I’m going to hold this long, this is what I want to think can happen.
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ya baby,im liken that QBIDn. now make it go up, thanks
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qbid, i agree.. thats why this is one of the only stocks i'm holding long term. We do have tons of potential. But, its not a bad thing to try to piggy back netflix for some exposure. GZFX needs exposure, hardly anyone knows who they are. we know who they are at allstocks, but the rest of america doesnt. that will change with the CC rollout. and as it changes we'll get more investors, and subs... it should come together.. Stock is just shaking itself from a huge run, very normal. i've averaged down in the dips and am only 6 % down right now.. If it goes subpenny I'll quadruple down, and get that quadruple money back when i can. Im not ready to panic yet.
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