The international markets can also effect the Dow and Naz. Some of the Dow and Naz stocks trade on those exchanges. They play no role as far as the OTCBB as far as I can tell unless that particular stock are trading over there. The OTCBB stocks if trading on a foreign exchange are on the Berlin Exchange.
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quote:Originally posted by KK3: Yeah, i'd rather the company be focusing on the things it IS focusing on like expansion, bigger inventory, ect. rather then trying to produce lame PR's to pump the stock. The fact that they are expanding and NOT releasing PR's shows that they're focusing on the company, not the stock.
I've been holding this in but I have to vent: I am getting sick of people saying how no PR is good and giving a lot of PR's dilutes their importance etc. NO KIDDING! The thing that you have to understand is that currently GZFX is just a little fish trying to swim with the big boys.
With no buyer confidence, the MM's did what they wanted with it & we saw what happened. GZFX is probably making a little chunk of change with new subscriptions, BUT that is off-set by the capital needed to expand it's market and give new CC stores the material so that they can market our product in their stores. How do they generate this capital? The same way all these little guys do it: They DILUTE!
And when ya dilute, price goes down, along with buyer confidence etc. We all know the story... So how do you offset that? Simple, you have an every other week or monthly PR letting investors know how everything is going. Then buyers maintain confidence, which leads to buyers supporting the stocks price, which allows them to continue to dilute little by little as needed, so they can continue to Expand.
Am I the only one who see's this? If I see another person saying how a PR would be bad business I am gonna start breaking things. The bad business was them to let the stocks value fall over 65% in the last week BECAUSE they haven't released a PR!
OK, now that I just vented I feel much better. Now give us a PR already!!!
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I've been holding this in but I have to vent: I am getting sick of people saying how no PR is good and giving a lot of PR's dilutes their importance etc. NO KIDDING! The thing that you have to understand is that currently GZFX is just a little fish trying to swim with the big boys.
With no buyer confidence, the MM's did what they wanted with it & we saw what happened. GZFX is probably making a little chunk of change with new subscriptions, BUT that is off-set by the capital needed to expand it's market and give new CC stores the material so that they can market our product in their stores. How do they generate this capital? The same way all these little guys do it: They DILUTE!
And when ya dilute, price goes down, along with buyer confidence etc. We all know the story... So how do you offset that? Simple, you have an every other week or monthly PR letting investors know how everything is going. Then buyers maintain confidence, which leads to buyers supporting the stocks price, which allows them to continue to dilute little by little as needed, so they can continue to Expand.
Am I the only one who see's this? If I see another person saying how a PR would be bad business I am gonna start breaking things. The bad business was them to let the stocks value fall over 65% in the last week BECAUSE they haven't released a PR!
OK, now that I just vented I feel much better. Now give us a PR already!!! ------------------------------------------------- I agree with you 100% about a PR. But you better get ready to break things.
Let me just say this about a PR. If CISCO/INTEL etc had a month where they grew by 25%. They would have PRed it and shouted it out to the world over and over. They would have been all over CNBC talking about it. It is MO that putting out a PR is even more important in penny land. When a company grows at 25% in just one month and planning on doing what they were talking about on the Web Cast. That is big time news. Not fluff.
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quote:Originally posted by KK3: Yeah, i'd rather the company be focusing on the things it IS focusing on like expansion, bigger inventory, ect. rather then trying to produce lame PR's to pump the stock. The fact that they are expanding and NOT releasing PR's shows that they're focusing on the company, not the stock.
I've been holding this in but I have to vent: I am getting sick of people saying how no PR is good and giving a lot of PR's dilutes their importance etc. NO KIDDING! The thing that you have to understand is that currently GZFX is just a little fish trying to swim with the big boys.
With no buyer confidence, the MM's did what they wanted with it & we saw what happened. GZFX is probably making a little chunk of change with new subscriptions, BUT that is off-set by the capital needed to expand it's market and give new CC stores the material so that they can market our product in their stores. How do they generate this capital? The same way all these little guys do it: They DILUTE!
And when ya dilute, price goes down, along with buyer confidence etc. We all know the story... So how do you offset that? Simple, you have an every other week or monthly PR letting investors know how everything is going. Then buyers maintain confidence, which leads to buyers supporting the stocks price, which allows them to continue to dilute little by little as needed, so they can continue to Expand.
Am I the only one who see's this? If I see another person saying how a PR would be bad business I am gonna start breaking things. The bad business was them to let the stocks value fall over 65% in the last week BECAUSE they haven't released a PR!
OK, now that I just vented I feel much better. Now give us a PR already!!!
In theory this makes a lot of sense but in reality it isn't necessarily true. I was in a penny (sub penny) that ran like crazy on no news and low to medium volume. Then suddenly a good PR was release and the buying pressure spiked. Buys outnumbered sells by easily 9 or 10 to one, yet the thing dropped like a rock due to the MMs.
Buy on rumor, sell on news.
We may have a rumor going on now, let's not spoil it with news.
Good luck for all today!
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quote:Originally posted by Tape worm: Am I the only one who see's this? If I see another person saying how a PR would be bad business I am gonna start breaking things. The bad business was them to let the stocks value fall over 65% in the last week BECAUSE they haven't released a PR!
I agree. Lets say this was a private company that I had money in, I'd want to hear from them every once in awhile on how things are, kinda like checking up on your kid while he/she is playing outside. You want to know things are good, or daddy I'm hemmoraging out here, whatever.
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quote:Originally posted by Tape worm: Am I the only one who see's this? If I see another person saying how a PR would be bad business I am gonna start breaking things. The bad business was them to let the stocks value fall over 65% in the last week BECAUSE they haven't released a PR!
I agree. Lets say this was a private company that I had money in, I'd want to hear from them every once in awhile on how things are, kinda like checking up on your kid while he/she is playing outside. You want to know things are good, or daddy I'm hemmoraging out here, whatever.
100% with you guys, WE NEED A PR!!
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I wonder how they would do if there was never a single PR released. Everything was done purely by investor webcasts and things MM's don't take much notice to. We could have a really strong company doing well and stay where the price should stay at without manipulation. Am I right? I don't think MM's would sit there for 30 minutes listening to a webcast just to find out if people will believe in the stock. Only problem is a non-PR would probably lack drawing in attention as well.
On the other side of things, PR's are awesome. But only if people don't sell on panics. If we all held/buyed during MM sell-down, they'd be the ones losing money not us. And a PR when the MM's plan to bash the price down is not going to help at all. They sell until they get what they want, panic selling. And the flippers usually help start the chain reaction. However, being more experienced traders, I would expect us to flip this thing when it peaks out. It's a penny, longterm isn't an option for the smart guys yet less you really just like buying really really low and don't watch the stock much.
By the way, IF it follows the traditional trend... we should see gradual increase from here to next week. Sometime around next week or the week after a PR should come out and the price will begin to launch to the moon. I expect that launch to begin close to .015 and the end of it should be in the .04-.05 (by %'s) Then the sell-off begins again. It will probably sell right back down to .015 or a little higher. I expect the .015 to be just like the .01 on the next sell-down. Not a single share will even touch it. It could happen higher since the numbers get bigger as the times it is repeated. the %'s may start to get smaller as we go positive. So .02 could very well be our super support line as well.
Actually I am predicting way too early. We need to get moving day by day first before we have to worry about that. Won't be until after New Year's. But I bet they'll follow the holiday and release of the best PR, national rollout and 4th quarter report.
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quote:Originally posted by KillaKmetz: OK, I hope thats the end of of the selling off, should have figured that would happen. Bleeding has stopped at $.0118, North, go up, cmon go...
Hey it worked lol yeyy
Spoke too soon. The light dillution team is in along with a few guys that wanna sell. I'd join them but the volume is too low to flip anything worth it. And to me a flip isn't worth it less it's a definite HOD and it's still early and I'm ditching at least half a mill shares.
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quote:Originally posted by jigen3: that's a mistake, right?
yeah, fat finger....
Is there a way that we, the small guys have a chance to collect any fat fingers? Or do those only go to big guys using ARCA or high paid brokerages or even just MM's? I feel like following the fat finger price now when I'm not trading but I doubt Scottrade could ever pick one of those up lol
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so you think if it happens to make it to .04 or .05 you really think it will drop back to .015 shortly after? are you saying it will then stay at .015 or do you think the next jump will make it back to .05 again. i really beleive in my opinion this stock could see .25 sometime next year i dont see it ever beeing a dollar stock but possibly .25 or even .30 JMAO
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: I wonder how they would do if there was never a single PR released. Everything was done purely by investor webcasts and things MM's don't take much notice to. We could have a really strong company doing well and stay where the price should stay at without manipulation. Am I right? I don't think MM's would sit there for 30 minutes listening to a webcast just to find out if people will believe in the stock. Only problem is a non-PR would probably lack drawing in attention as well.
On the other side of things, PR's are awesome. But only if people don't sell on panics. If we all held/buyed during MM sell-down, they'd be the ones losing money not us. And a PR when the MM's plan to bash the price down is not going to help at all. They sell until they get what they want, panic selling. And the flippers usually help start the chain reaction. However, being more experienced traders, I would expect us to flip this thing when it peaks out. It's a penny, longterm isn't an option for the smart guys yet less you really just like buying really really low and don't watch the stock much.
By the way, IF it follows the traditional trend... we should see gradual increase from here to next week. Sometime around next week or the week after a PR should come out and the price will begin to launch to the moon. I expect that launch to begin close to .015 and the end of it should be in the .04-.05 (by %'s) Then the sell-off begins again. It will probably sell right back down to .015 or a little higher. I expect the .015 to be just like the .01 on the next sell-down. Not a single share will even touch it. It could happen higher since the numbers get bigger as the times it is repeated. the %'s may start to get smaller as we go positive. So .02 could very well be our super support line as well.
Actually I am predicting way too early. We need to get moving day by day first before we have to worry about that. Won't be until after New Year's. But I bet they'll follow the holiday and release of the best PR, national rollout and 4th quarter report.
The problem is if there are 1 BILLION shares, the supply is more than the demand.
Picture this: the current estimated population in the US is 297,832,879 thats 3 times smaller than the Share count for GZFX. So every person in america can have 3 shares and there will still be enough to go around. Point is 1 billion is HUGE and if count goes to 4 billion ... then uh....
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If it follows patterns stnkng1 I am saying .015-.02 will be like the .01 on this drop. Meaning it WILL NOT go below it. It'll barely touch it and be the best shares you can buy for the next run. This is asusming it continues to be manipulated the same way. .05 will be the max. It'll be just like the .025 we had this time. It's just a repeat of last time only higher numbers. But because the numbers get higher it might be less of a drop and a higher gain. I know you're saying .25 and yes it could happen but I don't think I'm going to make a million and a half dollars in a couple months. That'll take some time. But you could still be right. Do also notice you are saying .25 based off of how the price has run before. When it runs, it runs to be knocked down. Otherwise our days would be more like this one. Slow and gradual, like any company.
I am just trying to get in my head where to get ready to sell next and what I should wait for until I even consider rebuying. yes! I am rebuying. Because we're going up no matter what. Longterm, you can see that .25. But I don't see the MM's letting that happen anytime soon unless it's the High of the month and it gets knocked right back down to .1 or .05. That should be a couple runs from now.
We're in pennyland. Until we get out, there will be pumpers which leads to tons of newbie buyers, which leads to a high price we could and should have but then MM's come along and sell, and bashers come along, which leads to panic selling, which leads to price drop, which leads to a disaster which leads to today and then the same process over again.
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"Picture this: the current estimated population in the US is 297,832,879 thats 3 times smaller than the Share count for GZFX. So every person in america can have 3 shares and there will still be enough to go around. Point is 1 billion is HUGE and if count goes to 4 billion ... then uh...."
Don't forget there are a lot of big investors here. I got a little over 5 million myself. Although I know there aren't that many guys like me who put a lot of their money on the line, I'm sure there's plenty out there that juggle around 1-2 million shares. If there were lots of guys like me, it'd only take 200 of us to cover that billion. And don't forget the CEO and other employees. What's he got? 20 million shares or something? No, it's gotta be more than that. I think yahoo finance was wrong someone said it was a lot more. Yes, 4 billion would be bad. That's why the price can only go so high until we need that R/S which would get us into the NasDaq. It'd also help keep the shares in line. There won't be any rebuy anytime soon. And I doubt they'll make that much profit to rebuy half a billion shares ever because the price keeps going up as they make money. They're not even in profit yet!
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Eventually there will be a big buy back, MAYBE even a reverse split or something like that. Probably going to be some more dilution through the next quarter until they move into more CC stores. My guess would be that if everything goes well, that buyback will probably come 2nd or 3rd Q next yr, Then we would be close to $1.00 land.
For now, frommy charts and stuff the next barrier looks to be in the mid $.0140's. Once we get through that then it will really start to run, and FAST.
OYEA, a PR would do a lot too lol ok, I gotta stop saying that. Did I mention I would like to see a PR?
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quote:Originally posted by Dudanation: "Picture this: the current estimated population in the US is 297,832,879 thats 3 times smaller than the Share count for GZFX. So every person in america can have 3 shares and there will still be enough to go around. Point is 1 billion is HUGE and if count goes to 4 billion ... then uh...."
Don't forget there are a lot of big investors here. I got a little over 5 million myself. Although I know there aren't that many guys like me who put a lot of their money on the line, I'm sure there's plenty out there that juggle around 1-2 million shares. If there were lots of guys like me, it'd only take 200 of us to cover that billion. And don't forget the CEO and other employees. What's he got? 20 million shares or something? No, it's gotta be more than that. I think yahoo finance was wrong someone said it was a lot more. Yes, 4 billion would be bad. That's why the price can only go so high until we need that R/S which would get us into the NasDaq. It'd also help keep the shares in line. There won't be any rebuy anytime soon. And I doubt they'll make that much profit to rebuy half a billion shares ever because the price keeps going up as they make money. They're not even in profit yet!
shoot good point i forgot we are in penny land so holding 100,000 shares is nothing
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With manipulation I don't see $1 in 2006 without a reverse split or buyback. And I bet they'll keep dilluting a little even when they make some profit. We still have European expansion and more warehouses that need to be invested into. Our money will be put to good use but there won't be a buyback anytime soon. If they just start seeing "some" green in 2006 they aren't going to blow it on their shares that get manipulated so much.
If I were them I'd buy on panic selling and that's it, just to get some of those MM's to back out but nothing majorly significant to boost up the price. You can ask the CEO if you want a real answer on that. I wouldn't expect to hear anything about a buyback or reverse split anytime soon. Growth growth growth should be all they think about and I hope it's all they think about. The price will do what it's going to do for now. I can almost say I like the major ups and downs if you play it right. And once we're out of it this is my longterm investment fund. <------- Not for a long time.
$1 next year... maybe... but I doubt it. I'm 22 I'm not supposed to have $5 million dollars lol. And that's assuming I just HOLD and never flip this thing. Imagine that after even just 5 flips on the way up, doubling the shares each time.
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