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quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
Bad vibes man....Bad vibes.
Adem and Eve...not Adam and Steve!
Do your DD long term...as in REAL long.
Money is only Money.

DQ
Please help me understand your comments. I am very interested in what you have to say.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bottomliner:
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Originally posted by DQ.:
Bad vibes man....Bad vibes.
Adem and Eve...not Adam and Steve!
Do your DD long term...as in REAL long.
Money is only Money.

DQ
Please help me understand your comments. I am very interested in what you have to say.

I think he likes money, hates Gays and smokes crack. (IMO)
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quote:
Originally posted by Bottomliner:
quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
Bad vibes man....Bad vibes.
Adem and Eve...not Adam and Steve!
Do your DD long term...as in REAL long.
Money is only Money.

DQ
Please help me understand your comments. I am very interested in what you have to say.

Pretty sure he is trying to say that we are seeing a pattern here. QBID puts out a million pr and runs up their PPS then dillutes all the way back down. Do your DD. Find the old PR's Look up the OLD charts. You will see the same thing is happening.
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quote:
Originally posted by Rizzo:
quote:
Originally posted by Bottomliner:
quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
Bad vibes man....Bad vibes.
Adem and Eve...not Adam and Steve!
Do your DD long term...as in REAL long.
Money is only Money.

DQ
Please help me understand your comments. I am very interested in what you have to say.

Pretty sure he is trying to say that we are seeing a pattern here. QBID puts out a million pr and runs up their PPS then dillutes all the way back down. Do your DD. Find the old PR's Look up the OLD charts. You will see the same thing is happening.
yep its very easy to see whats going on here. you look up past qbid PRs from the year 2000 and you'll find out several of those past PRs were released once again in 2004 and 2005, they recycle the same PRs. the outstanding share count in may 2002 was 1.2 billion and the O/S last year was said to of been 15.5 billion and the A/S was raised to 50 billion shares last year also. this company has been around for 6 years and its still at a stand still with no revenue and massive dillution on top of it and QBID is authorized to sell up to 50 billion shares, its just common sense to figure out what QBID is doing.

[ August 06, 2005, 13:14: Message edited by: roadrunnerv8383 ]

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and it's just common sense not to see what qbid is doing. just need to add a bit of patience, risk tolerance, dd, common investing knowledge to the ingredients and the qbid cake will be baked perfectly. by the way, please take out the idiotic bashing out from the ingredients, or it will infest your stomach.

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BINGO!

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quote:
Originally posted by Rizzo:
Pretty sure he is trying to say that we are seeing a pattern here. QBID puts out a million pr and runs up their PPS then dillutes all the way back down. Do your DD. Find the old PR's Look up the OLD charts. You will see the same thing is happening.

Rizzo
I don't know you, so I will attempt to be as polite as possible.

Your post in NO WAY addresses DQ's comments or my comments, so I assume you just want to express your own negative views about QBID and hope we will agree. I cannot answer for DQ, but you are totally wrong about me.

I don't "know" what DQ meant in his post because it was too vague to understand. I "believe" he expressed a homophobic opinion, but I asked him for clarification before condemming him. His comment about doing long term DD and about money also makes no sense to me. If he replies, I will comment further.

Your comments are just as worthless because you are presenting "opinion" as fact. Show me some proof and we can have a polite discussion. Otherwise, I won't waste my time replying again. And don't "advise" me to do DD. I've done it all, and I still don't agree with your OPINIONS.

Also, I find it interesting that another repetitive negative-thinker has just posted to "support" your opinion. Are you guys working in teams today, or is this just a coincidence?

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quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
BINGO!

DQ
Here I go again:

Please help me understand your comments. You have a true gift for being totally vague.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bottomliner:
quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
BINGO!

DQ
Here I go again:

Please help me understand your comments. You have a true gift for being totally vague.

howdy Bottomliner, how are ya?
imo, this is what they are trained for, empty and vague.

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Something goods going, look at all the bashers. facts nothing else people.
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quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
BINGO!

Dairy Queen, I cannot help but think that you and Roadrunner know each other. You have both failed miserably at pumping MSSI and bashing QBID. You even post at or around the same time. So, is this a lifelong friendship, or do you two just know each other from work?
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I have no idea who roadrunner is. I don't recall one pump for MSSI. I do own some and wish it would go up but I don't recall pumping anything. I DO recal asking some questions about it.

PS: Be sure and visit your local Dairy Queen every chance you get!!

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quote:
Originally posted by roadrunnerv8383:
quote:
Originally posted by Rizzo:
quote:
Originally posted by Bottomliner:
quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
Bad vibes man....Bad vibes.
Adem and Eve...not Adam and Steve!
Do your DD long term...as in REAL long.
Money is only Money.

DQ
Please help me understand your comments. I am very interested in what you have to say.

Pretty sure he is trying to say that we are seeing a pattern here. QBID puts out a million pr and runs up their PPS then dillutes all the way back down. Do your DD. Find the old PR's Look up the OLD charts. You will see the same thing is happening.
yep its very easy to see whats going on here. you look up past qbid PRs from the year 2000 and you'll find out several of those past PRs were released once again in 2004 and 2005, they recycle the same PRs. the outstanding share count in may 2002 was 1.2 billion and the O/S last year was said to of been 15.5 billion and the A/S was raised to 50 billion shares last year also. this company has been around for 6 years and its still at a stand still with no revenue and massive dillution on top of it and QBID is authorized to sell up to 50 billion shares, its just common sense to figure out what QBID is doing.
Oh look folks, its the putz from the shoe store! Mr. Foot in mouth. First, confirm your info above. You can't!!!!!! and we all know this.

That must mean you must live in the same basement as those other 3 idiots. Seeing as you are not really worth it, we will just do a name change from shlik to roadrunner and the shoe still fits with out a doubt at all:

Even something better to ponder,

Why roadrunner speak? Where roadrunner live? Why roadrunner have no life? Why roadrunner no take hint to get lost? Why roadrunner a smuck? Why roadrunner bug us? Why roadrunner not go back to RB? Why roadrunner shlik, U4 and BT live in same basement? Why roadrunner continue to put his foot in his mouth? Why roadrunner act like seed of chucky? Why roadrunner not go jump in the lake? Why roadrunner populate space? Why roadrunner breath? Why roadrunner irratating? Why roadrunner have rash on toungue? Why roadrunner still play with barbies?

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damn Buckwheat, take a vallium and chill out over there.. getting all upset over someone you know is full of b/s...

Be a duck [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by buckwheatbob:
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Originally posted by roadrunnerv8383:
quote:
Originally posted by Rizzo:
quote:
Originally posted by Bottomliner:
quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
Bad vibes man....Bad vibes.
Adem and Eve...not Adam and Steve!
Do your DD long term...as in REAL long.
Money is only Money.

DQ
Please help me understand your comments. I am very interested in what you have to say.

Pretty sure he is trying to say that we are seeing a pattern here. QBID puts out a million pr and runs up their PPS then dillutes all the way back down. Do your DD. Find the old PR's Look up the OLD charts. You will see the same thing is happening.
yep its very easy to see whats going on here. you look up past qbid PRs from the year 2000 and you'll find out several of those past PRs were released once again in 2004 and 2005, they recycle the same PRs. the outstanding share count in may 2002 was 1.2 billion and the O/S last year was said to of been 15.5 billion and the A/S was raised to 50 billion shares last year also. this company has been around for 6 years and its still at a stand still with no revenue and massive dillution on top of it and QBID is authorized to sell up to 50 billion shares, its just common sense to figure out what QBID is doing.
Oh look folks, its the putz from the shoe store! Mr. Foot in mouth. First, confirm your info above. You can't!!!!!! and we all know this.

That must mean you must live in the same basement as those other 3 idiots. Seeing as you are not really worth it, we will just do a name change from shlik to roadrunner and the shoe still fits with out a doubt at all:

Even something better to ponder,

Why roadrunner speak? Where roadrunner live? Why roadrunner have no life? Why roadrunner no take hint to get lost? Why roadrunner a smuck? Why roadrunner bug us? Why roadrunner not go back to RB? Why roadrunner shlik, U4 and BT live in same basement? Why roadrunner continue to put his foot in his mouth? Why roadrunner act like seed of chucky? Why roadrunner not go jump in the lake? Why roadrunner populate space? Why roadrunner breath? Why roadrunner irratating? Why roadrunner have rash on toungue? Why roadrunner still play with barbies?

heres the O/S from pinksheets.com, Outstanding Shares: 1,264,988,916 as of 2002-05-30, and last year the O/S was increased to 15.5 billion thats alot of dillution in just 2 1/2 years. and A/S raised to 50 billion last year, and now with QBID's price down .0014 and going lower by the week, the 50 billion A/S will be topped out soon. either A/S will have to be raised again or there will have to be a reverse split.

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/company_profile.jsp?symbol=QBID

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I don't think anyone pays much attention to roadrunner's posts anymore. Especially since we know he was once an investor in QBID and sold for a loss. He's just mad.

Just make sure you don't follow his stock picks. He was pumping MSSI like it was the best thing since sliced bread, but look where that company's gone - nowhere.

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quote:
Originally posted by Monopoly Money:
damn Buckwheat, take a vallium and chill out over there.. getting all upset over someone you know is full of b/s...

Be a duck [Smile]

I am far from bent out of shape........trust me [Smile] If RR wants to spew off about something he has no clue about and is only capable of causing trouble, then I think it is only fare that I or anyone else should point out his defects. Speaking of defects, one I did miss was Roadrunner claims that Frank basically just recycles his PR's. Now if that is not calling the kettle black! Seeing as RR basher boy has no clue on how to do real DD, he just reposts the same crap over and over and absolutely nothing to back his half cooked speculations up. I also think it is only fare to point these things out for new people who do join us so they do not get caught as a victim of a basher. They need to ask questions and decide themselves. We, all the longs know the final destination of Q because we did and continue our DD. That's why we are long.

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quote:
Originally posted by roadrunnerv8383:
quote:
Originally posted by buckwheatbob:
quote:
Originally posted by roadrunnerv8383:
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Originally posted by Rizzo:
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Originally posted by Bottomliner:
quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
Bad vibes man....Bad vibes.
Adem and Eve...not Adam and Steve!
Do your DD long term...as in REAL long.
Money is only Money.

DQ
Please help me understand your comments. I am very interested in what you have to say.

Pretty sure he is trying to say that we are seeing a pattern here. QBID puts out a million pr and runs up their PPS then dillutes all the way back down. Do your DD. Find the old PR's Look up the OLD charts. You will see the same thing is happening.
yep its very easy to see whats going on here. you look up past qbid PRs from the year 2000 and you'll find out several of those past PRs were released once again in 2004 and 2005, they recycle the same PRs. the outstanding share count in may 2002 was 1.2 billion and the O/S last year was said to of been 15.5 billion and the A/S was raised to 50 billion shares last year also. this company has been around for 6 years and its still at a stand still with no revenue and massive dillution on top of it and QBID is authorized to sell up to 50 billion shares, its just common sense to figure out what QBID is doing.
Oh look folks, its the putz from the shoe store! Mr. Foot in mouth. First, confirm your info above. You can't!!!!!! and we all know this.

That must mean you must live in the same basement as those other 3 idiots. Seeing as you are not really worth it, we will just do a name change from shlik to roadrunner and the shoe still fits with out a doubt at all:

Even something better to ponder,

Why roadrunner speak? Where roadrunner live? Why roadrunner have no life? Why roadrunner no take hint to get lost? Why roadrunner a smuck? Why roadrunner bug us? Why roadrunner not go back to RB? Why roadrunner shlik, U4 and BT live in same basement? Why roadrunner continue to put his foot in his mouth? Why roadrunner act like seed of chucky? Why roadrunner not go jump in the lake? Why roadrunner populate space? Why roadrunner breath? Why roadrunner irratating? Why roadrunner have rash on toungue? Why roadrunner still play with barbies?

heres the O/S from pinksheets.com, Outstanding Shares: 1,264,988,916 as of 2002-05-30, and last year the O/S was increased to 15.5 billion thats alot of dillution in just 2 1/2 years. and A/S raised to 50 billion last year, and now with QBID's price down .0014 and going lower by the week, the 50 billion A/S will be topped out soon. either A/S will have to be raised again or there will have to be a reverse split.

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/company_profile.jsp?symbol=QBID

Then go bash pinsheets.com seeing as you are on a mission and do not have the same info as you...Loser

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Seems Roadrunner can not seem to get his story straight. One minute it's 1.2 Billion and the next its 50 Billion and the it's 15 billion.

I have an idea pooky, try 13-6-53%=? and you may be close.

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quote:
Originally posted by tqn:
howdy Bottomliner, how are ya? imo, this is what they are trained for, empty and vague.

tqn
Yep. Empty minds coupled with a vague understanding of common decency.

And I am fine. How are you doing?

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here i am reading this board night and day, Pondering on buying chunk of shares Mon or Tuesday, doing some Ds but not quit enough, So please bashers pumpers and inbetweeners give your opion on where this company is realy headed i do see a lot of potential in this Q thing, cant see how any one could get in any cheaper than this current price.
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I worked at a Dairy Queen many years ago. Worst job I ever had. The owner was an incredible [insert your favorite insult here]. I also remember they used to chop up the old burgers that didn't sell and use the meat in the chili. Disgusting. [Frown]

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I thought some of you might appreciate my memoirs! LOL

quote:
Originally posted by DQ.:
I have no idea who roadrunner is. I don't recall one pump for MSSI. I do own some and wish it would go up but I don't recall pumping anything. I DO recal asking some questions about it.

PS: Be sure and visit your local Dairy Queen every chance you get!!


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quote:
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. . . please bashers pumpers and inbetweeners give your opion on where this company is realy headed.

HighSide
Not sure I meet your requirements (I'm definitely not a basher, I try not to pump, and I own too many shares to be an inbetweener) . . . BUT this is my opinion:

I believe Frank is creating a successful network that will make his company worth a great amount of money. And I believe that owners of QBID stock will share in this success when the PPS finally reflects the company's value. But I do not know when this will happen, and I do not know all the obstacles QBID faces to become successful.

I know I have not given you much information to help with your decision. All I know is . . . I own shares, intend to hold them as long as necessary and believe the potential reward justifies the risk. But I won't tell you to buy. That has to be your decision. And good luck, no matter what you decide.

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Whizknock's List is a good place to start your DD.

quote:
Originally posted by whizknock:
Hi Noah!

I must be a QBIDiot myself because I continue to buy at a measured pace. I too have a very strong core position that you could say is in a vault. My time horizon is now at 3 & 1/2 years but willing to sit on it longer if things are half as good as the potential appears. My thinking is that before I reach my time horizon Frank will do as he's done in the past & put this puppy up for sale. We could get an unsolicited offer as well if he makes serious progress. We shall see.

Very late, almost every night I throw out a post just to let people know I'm still here. I just hang in there & keep checking the reason I bought into this thing,,,

(1) Do they have a product or service?

(2) Is it a quality product or service?

(3) Is it a marketable product or service?

(4) Are there precedents, companies that provide the same kind of product or service?

(5) Do most if not all these companies trade for over a dollar a share?

(6) What differentiates my prospect from these other companies?

(7) Do they have a target demographic?

(8) Does that demographic have the means to support the product?

(9) Where does the commercial community stand, do Fortune 500 Companies want to reach the prospect's target demographic?

(10) Can the prospect deliver an effective avenue for the major corporations to reach this market?

(11) Do they have sponsors?

(12) What's the possible impact of their primary competition & will my prospect have the lead in the market?

(13) Does this prospect have management with a proven track record of not only running a company but actually bringing a company to market, making it successful & profiting from this endeavor.

And most importantly one personal question,,,

(14) Do I have the discipline, willingness & conviction to maintain a large core position.
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The purchasing power of the U.S. gay and lesbian population will hit an estimated $610 billion in 2005, according to a 2004 study by Witeck-Combs Communications, a Washington, D.C.-based marketing firm specializing in the gay marketplace.

Michelle Scales, director of Wells Fargo's division of "diverse growth segments," ticked off a list of attributes that makes the gay and lesbian market a natural fit for the bank: the U.S. gay population is estimated to include 15 million people with a combined $610 billion in purchasing power. Gays and lesbians are twice as likely to own a small business as non-gays, and 75 percent have incomes above the national average. Seven of every 10 gay couples own a home.


With that as a target who needs a Bullseye!!!!


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quote:
Originally posted by 4Art:
I worked at a Dairy Queen many years ago. Worst job I ever had.

4Art
I have no problem with Dairy Queen itself, but I "may" have a problem with DQ. His first post appeared to contain a homophobic comment, and he has not responded to my request for an explanation.

Instead, he encouraged us all to support Dairy Queen . . . and I probably will . . . but not his.

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quote:
Originally posted by 4Art:
Whizknock's List is a good place to start your DD.

4Art
Excellent advice. I re-read that list often and believe in it more each time.

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I agree. I just wanted to point out that the actual 'Land of Dairy Queen' does not consist of the chocolate waterfalls and whipped cream mountains seen in their advertising. [Big Grin]

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4Art
I have no problem with Dairy Queen itself, but I "may" have a problem with DQ. His first post appeared to contain a homophobic comment, and he has not responded to my request for an explanation.

Instead, he encouraged us all to support Dairy Queen . . . and I probably will . . . but not his.


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Yes! I use the list to remind myself I made the correct decision (on the slow days). [Wink]

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I re-read that list often and believe in it more each time.



[ August 06, 2005, 21:22: Message edited by: 4Art ]

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quote:
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Whizknock's List is a good place to start your DD.

quote:
Originally posted by whizknock:
Hi Noah!

I must be a QBIDiot myself because I continue to buy at a measured pace. I too have a very strong core position that you could say is in a vault. My time horizon is now at 3 & 1/2 years but willing to sit on it longer if things are half as good as the potential appears. My thinking is that before I reach my time horizon Frank will do as he's done in the past & put this puppy up for sale. We could get an unsolicited offer as well if he makes serious progress. We shall see.

Very late, almost every night I throw out a post just to let people know I'm still here. I just hang in there & keep checking the reason I bought into this thing,,,

(1) Do they have a product or service?

(2) Is it a quality product or service?

(3) Is it a marketable product or service?

(4) Are there precedents, companies that provide the same kind of product or service?

(5) Do most if not all these companies trade for over a dollar a share?

(6) What differentiates my prospect from these other companies?

(7) Do they have a target demographic?

(8) Does that demographic have the means to support the product?

(9) Where does the commercial community stand, do Fortune 500 Companies want to reach the prospect's target demographic?

(10) Can the prospect deliver an effective avenue for the major corporations to reach this market?

(11) Do they have sponsors?

(12) What's the possible impact of their primary competition & will my prospect have the lead in the market?

(13) Does this prospect have management with a proven track record of not only running a company but actually bringing a company to market, making it successful & profiting from this endeavor.

And most importantly one personal question,,,

(14) Do I have the discipline, willingness & conviction to maintain a large core position.
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The purchasing power of the U.S. gay and lesbian population will hit an estimated $610 billion in 2005, according to a 2004 study by Witeck-Combs Communications, a Washington, D.C.-based marketing firm specializing in the gay marketplace.

Michelle Scales, director of Wells Fargo's division of "diverse growth segments," ticked off a list of attributes that makes the gay and lesbian market a natural fit for the bank: the U.S. gay population is estimated to include 15 million people with a combined $610 billion in purchasing power. Gays and lesbians are twice as likely to own a small business as non-gays, and 75 percent have incomes above the national average. Seven of every 10 gay couples own a home.


With that as a target who needs a Bullseye!!!!


"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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I don't think I ever said it to Wiz but that is the best dam list I have ever seen. When you think your getting discouraged or wanting to invest in a new company, it asks all the right questions. When you get the answers to those, then you have made a decision.

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4Art thanks for the repost of Whiznooks post,as this is a tenth + of a penny stock do you realy htink this company along whith the stock will take off into the 1 cent and beyond range or do you see another direction, whiznook puts a very positive look on it
does anyone have a different postive or negative view they could share with me.
by the way my stats on Qbid is 500,000 at .0016
and seriously considering a larger piece of the pie

Please no haters or instigators

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4ART...Sorry to hear about your old days at DQ. (burger/chili). Wouldn't happen around here. DQ. has become terrible strict. Anything like that would have your sign yanked without question.

Sorry for another off topic.

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Looks like the gay games are ruffling some feathers..lol but its getting attn.

No Public Money' For Gay Games, Group Demands
by Steph Smith 365Gay.com Chicago Bureau

Posted: August 5, 2005 7:30 pm ET

(Chicago, Illinois) A conservative Christian group that has been fighting LGBT civil rights in Illinois is demanding that the state's Bureau of Tourism refuse to give public funds to the 2006 Gay Games in Chicago.

The Illinois Family Institute is rallying its supporters to pressure the bureau to reject an application for funding

"We're opposed to the use of taxpayer dollars to promote an event that celebrates homosexuality," Peter LaBarbera, the institute's executive director told the Chicago Tribune. "The idea of using sport to promote homosexuality is wrong."

The Chicago organizer of the event, Chicago Games Inc., has submitted an application for promotion money. The bureau says it has not made a decision, but if it honors the request, the games would receive matching funds up to 50 percent of any money raised by the organizers, including donations from the private sector.

Tourism grants are funded by taxes collected from the state's lodging industry.

Fundamentalist groups have targeted the games economically. The institute is a supporter of the American Family Association which is targeting sponsors.

In May the AFA began a campaign against Kraft Foods for its sponsorship of the Gay Games, but stopped just short of advocating a boycott. (story) A month later, Evangelist Jerry Falwell called for a full boycott. (story)

The institute and the AFA also targeted Harris Bank for contributing $25,000 to the event.

Organizers say the Gay Games, set for July 2006, could pump $50 million to $80 million into Chicago's economy.

©365Gay.com 2005

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That's my hubby...good job, baby!!
Sounds like too many people have too much time on their hands tonight...Come play some poker, take your shoes off, relax, have a pepsi!! [Wink]

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Heres some more for the reading. I guess I just don't have anything better to do right now

08/06/05-08/08/05

Debate grows over Roberts's role in gay rights case

Immediately following a report on Thursday that Supreme Court judge nominee John G. Roberts Jr. had worked behind the scenes to help gay rights activists win a key case before the nation's highest court in 1996, debate erupted about where Roberts really stands on hot-button issues. Partisans on both sides asked whether Roberts's assistance in Romer v. Evans, the landmark gay rights case that overturned an antigay Colorado constitutional amendment, was an aberration from his conservative record or a sign that his views might be less ideological than commonly thought, reports the Los Angeles Times, which broke the story.

"While this is certainly not welcome news to those of us who advocate for traditional values, it is by no means a given that John Roberts's personal views are reflected in his involvement in this case," read a statement by the political arm of Focus on the Family, a national organization of conservative Christians. "That's what lawyers do—represent their firm's clients, whether they agree with what those clients stand for or not."

Some of Roberts's conservative supporters denounced the focus on the case as an effort to set Republicans against each other. It "is a red herring meant to divide the right," Sean Rushton, executive director of the Committee for Justice, which helps coordinate strategy on judicial nominations for conservative groups, told the Times.

Similarly, liberal activists said the revelation did not temper their concern that Roberts is less supportive of civil rights than they would like. "A primary issue for us is to what degree, if any, this work reflects on the judicial philosophy Judge Roberts would bring to the Supreme Court," said Kevin Cathcart, executive director of Lambda Legal. Cathcart said his group remains concerned about Roberts's "much more extensive advocacy of positions that we oppose."

The White House sought to play down Roberts's participation in Romer. The Supreme Court in 1996 voted 6–3 to strike down a voter-approved Colorado initiative that would have allowed employers and landlords to exclude gays from jobs and housing. Roberts, then a lawyer at the Washington firm of Hogan and Hartson, helped gay rights activists prepare arguments against the initiative as part of his firm's pro bono work.

Roberts did not mention his work on the case in responding to a Senate Judiciary Committee questionnaire that asked for examples of his pro bono work. Jean Dubofsky, the lead lawyer for gay rights activists challenging the Colorado initiative, told the Times that Roberts gave her "absolutely crucial" advice on how to argue the case before the Supreme Court. White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said Roberts spent less than 10 hours on the case, compared with more than 200 hours he spent on two pro bono cases on which he was the lead counsel. "There is clearly a difference" between his assistance in the Colorado case and his other pro bono work, Perino told the Times.

Still, the revelation is awkward for both sides in the political battle over Roberts, now a judge on the U.S. court of appeals for the District of Columbia circuit, says the Times. President Bush nominated him in late July to succeed Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who is retiring. Some conservative activists have expressed concerns that Roberts may become an "unreliable" justice like David H. Souter or Anthony M. Kennedy, who were appointed by Republican presidents but who have not consistently supported conservative positions on the bench. Roberts's role in the Colorado case could fuel such worries.

But Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and a prominent GOP activist, said withdrawing support of Roberts over his participation in the case would be wrongheaded. "The whole case that conservatives have been trying to make is that your personal feelings ought not to count" when you rule from the bench, Norquist told the Times.

Some liberal activists consider Roberts to be more of a conservative ideologue than he acknowledges, citing in particular his work in the Reagan administration to limit school busing and other programs that sought to promote civil rights. Roberts's work on behalf of the gay activists would be inconsistent with that view of him. "I'm interested in seeing his involvement in this [Colorado] case, but it doesn't diminish our overall concern," said Nan Aron, president of the liberal Alliance for Justice. "A picture is just beginning to emerge of his views, but it's too early to make an overall assessment of his judicial philosophy."

Many conservatives said they wanted to know more about why Roberts agreed to help in the case and whether he did so out of conviction or courtesy to a colleague. Jay Sekulow, who is helping the Administration promote Roberts's nomination, told the Times he had spent time Thursday explaining to concerned conservatives that lawyers often consulted with other lawyers on cases, regardless of their personal convictions. "A lot of people are commenting who don't know about Supreme Court practice," said Sekulow, who is chief counsel for the conservative American Center for Law and Justice. "There's a high degree of collegiality."

Walter A. Smith Jr., the partner at Hogan and Hartson who ran the firm's pro bono program, said that Roberts took part in the firm's initial meeting to consider accepting the case and that his participation, as with all of the firm's pro bono cases, was voluntary. "Anyone who didn't want to work on a case for whatever matter, they didn't have to," Smith said. "He was in on the takeoff and he was in on the landing and was helpful in both." From a lawyer's point of view, Smith said, the Colorado case was more about equal protection than about gay rights. He said the crucial issue for Roberts—and eventually for the Supreme Court—was whether the Colorado initiative took away ordinary rights and legal protections from a disadvantaged group, whether a sexual, racial, or social minority. "From a lawyer's point of view, it presented an equal protection question," Smith said. "Does such a law violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution? To that extent, it was not a gay rights issue."

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Good posts Degs!

4Art, Bottomliner & Buckwheatbob! Thanks people! Did my heart good to read your posts.

Some people have written a few negative posts that could hold water. I'm mildly concerned that Frank could be diluting the stock. I can only reply that he has said he isn't selling,,, but that he has said he's "BUYING".

For those that have pointed out what happened from 2001 until now, I can only remind you to remember what occured from February to April,,, ON PURE SPECULATION!!!

I very deliberately write positive posts that support my investment. So I may lean towards being a pumper. However everything I write has a realistic probability of coming to pass.

HighSide!

I will not tell you to buy or sell. What I will tell is I've looked at my own tolerance for risk, did my DD and came to the decision that I'm willing to take a substantual position here. My firm belief is that this company will make it & that it's only a matter of time, nothing more, nothing less.

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