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as for Edwards...him & UC had to be in on this dumping together. Edwards can't give himself those shares. UC can't just give himself those shares & sell them. UC had to have somebody with a large number of places to place those shares & then have them sell the shares. as has been pointed out by a few of the basher boys they call that money laundering or share laundering as this case went. & no matter what the cult wants to think the only person that could release those shares is UC. that half-azz general ledger sure didn't have the cash coming in from 703 billion shares listed. if you want to believe the person that went to that canadian mining show every company in the area of the claims said cmkx is a scam. but of course they don't know what they are talking about. they are all just jealous & really just want to take UC down so that they can get his claims. the only ppl that know the truth are the few hundred cult members left. every stock person, SEC person, mining person, auditor, the t/a that has any knowledge of anything to do with cmkx that doesn't spell out shareholders getting rich is out to get UC & cheat the cmkx shareholders.
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quote:Originally posted by bill1352: as for Edwards...him & UC had to be in on this dumping together. Edwards can't give himself those shares. UC can't just give himself those shares & sell them. UC had to have somebody with a large number of places to place those shares & then have them sell the shares. as has been pointed out by a few of the basher boys they call that money laundering or share laundering as this case went. & no matter what the cult wants to think the only person that could release those shares is UC. that half-azz general ledger sure didn't have the cash coming in from 703 billion shares listed. if you want to believe the person that went to that canadian mining show every company in the area of the claims said cmkx is a scam. but of course they don't know what they are talking about. they are all just jealous & really just want to take UC down so that they can get his claims. the only ppl that know the truth are the few hundred cult members left. every stock person, SEC person, mining person, auditor, the t/a that has any knowledge of anything to do with cmkx that doesn't spell out shareholders getting rich is out to get UC & cheat the cmkx shareholders.
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15 days to the PR. That is if Andy has his calendar on the correct year.
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Hello CMKX'r...Welcome to October. IGNORE the NEGATIVE sentiment no matter what! TRUST the TEAM. The TEAM will SPEAK asap between now and Oct. 20. Keep "eachother POSITIVE!"
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BILL1352... you are right. But gwgo announced that they are dumping all claims over to the new company and then dishing out all of gwgo's shares to shareholders of record.....in the new company name. Is that going to be a reverse split you think. maybe a reverse to forward split.
btw..how did you know...?? google search? nice job.
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Legal's post about gwgo is interesting as I think the wording is the same as a pr over a year ago. Gwgo complained about being listed on the german board without permission. Hmmm I think I have to do some research when I get home and see if gwgo did some share flipping after that bremen pr. thanks for the input. S5
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There's a big difference between perpetrating false information and lies as opposed to someone pointing out the true and verifiable facts that detract from a company's position, value, honesty, credibility, etc. To say that UC took the 5th (a fact) is not bashing. It merely states an extremely negative factor about credibility. There are too many similar factors involving UC, CMKX and associates that also bear upon that topic, none of which are favorable. Pointing them out is not bashing. I am dismayed and disappointed in your innate and unfortunate need or desire to link or combine all opinions with which you disagree into one of a "basher".
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quote:Originally posted by Wallace#1: "Bashers having a rough day. Number 2"
legal,
There's a big difference between perpetrating false information and lies as opposed to someone pointing out the true and verifiable facts that detract from a company's position, value, honesty, credibility, etc. To say that UC took the 5th (a fact) is not bashing. It merely states an extremely negative factor about credibility. There are too many similar factors involving UC, CMKX and associates that also bear upon that topic, none of which are favorable. Pointing them out is not bashing. I am dismayed and disappointed in your innate and unfortunate need or desire to link or combine all opinions with which you disagree into one of a "basher".
Wallace I didn't name anyone or even mention people in this room. If my post had been designed to call the dogs out of the woods, it seems to have worked.
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Trying to pry info out of the company isnt illegal either. Nor is having an opinion that the CEO is acting like a crook, or the stock looks like a pump-and-dump scam. It sounds like those people did something to influence the PPS of those stocks, but not knowing what leaves me in the dark. Since I still hold CMKX, I'd love to see something positive come out of all this, but I cant see any light from this end of the tunnel.
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"Wallace I didn't name anyone or even mention people in this room."
legal, you did not have to name or mention anyone specifically. By posting something that was completely foreign to anything said on this thread you insinuated or suggested an untruth. Hell, it's too damn easy to tell the truth and present the negative, so there is no need to misrepresent or lie. Now, in addition to the 5th, the Form 15 was a lie, the address was a lie, the PRs were either purposely misleading or absolute untruths, the lack of records is a fact, UC's managerial abilities are completely lacking as per his very own admission, he and many of his associates have questionable past records, there is no explanation for all the monies that passed through CMKX, auditors quit and suggested legal improprieties, jade collections that may or may not have vanished without proper recordings, missing information in the General Ledger, questionable use of company funds for race cars/equipment, wife signing company checks when she was not an officer, conflicts of interest dealings with family members, shares issued for unknown purposes and to family members as well, dumping of shares into the market and on and on. All those things are facts and truths, legal. Yet you want to stay in la la land and suggest that such things are misrepresentations or lies by the content of your posts. What are you trying to say or prove with such posts? If anything, it would apply to pumpers and cult members such as yourself as far as lies and misinformation are concerned. Practically every post is a fabrication in some form or another. All one has to do is read some of the posts on the CT site or any other site you and other known cult members frequent. None of you has the guts to go to Frizzy and his sponsor and say "go after everyone responsible, including UC and family, if they appear to be the culprits". Collectively, you are the three mice with paws over the eyes, ears and mouths....and, in you case, it is evil you will not see, hear or speak about.
PS: Or is it three monkeys?
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Just by chance did any body notice that CMKX poped to .10 today at 3:55 pm. It shows up on my Choice trade acct and Yahoo. Was wondering if i was seeing something or was it a glich in the system.Just to be safe i put a sell order in for .05 tommrow. But if this is a scam my only lost will be the little $30.00 i have invested in this POS.
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The cult is trying to make the .10 as not an error but the MM's covering shorts. The huge problem I have with that is if there was a huge short which hasn't been proved as the cult suggests it wouldn't take .10 to cover it. All they would need to do is raise pps to .0002 and this thing would scream sells. Shoot .001 would cause a rush to the sell button. But really, why care. It is already revoked and the appeal hasn't got any teeth alone with no financial.
Theories on top of theories and never right. Maybe if they had a theory were UC ripped them off they could get one right.
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People of character don't have to worry about law suits or Federal monitoring of these boards. Nor do they have to try and explain their posts. They are recorded and speak for themselves.
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"People of character don't have to worry about law suits or Federal monitoring of these boards. Nor do they have to try and explain their posts. They are recorded and speak for themselves."
& this is why the cult needs to worry. i'm not saying the cult is a bunch of low life scum...just extremely dillusional folks that have lost their way. reality has left the building for the cult. this has caused them to post things that have no basis in anything like a fact. by my saying cmkx is a scam & UC a crook that cheated everey shareholder, that opinion is based on fact. no court would convict me of any wrong doing unless the jury was 12 cmkx cult members. for UC to call that slander, he would first have to prove i was wrong & according to your theory of this being a sting UC must make things look as if it was a scam & he is a crook. thus stating cmkx is a scam & UC a crook would be merely stating the obvious.
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OK people, whats up with this POS???? Volume is almost 6 Billion in the last 5 Trading days???? Who the hell buys or sells this POS anymore???? Better yet who can still be interested in this POS????
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I think this is so funny because this is what most of us have been saying for six month just in reverse. It is amazing that legal can see this in reverse but not getting there. Even if you take the huge trading days of the past and avg it over the past 3 years ending 12/2004 it was under 1 billion shares a day over the three years. And since volume is doubled in pinksheets because they post both sells and buys then it is impossible to short CMKX that much and dump 703 billion shares on the market. Geeze why don't you prove our point for us.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gus, imo if there is forced cover going on, it has to be behind the scenes. On a NS of 2 trillion, and trades of a billion shares per day, it would take 2,000 trading days to cover. That's nearly 8 years. So I would have to go with some form of a SEC / DTCC brokered agreement with the principals.
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Because these people like legal, Willy, Acca, Jay, and many others have brainwashed there followers into believing there is a forced cover or settlement coming sorry these poor brainwashed people believe they are getting a bargain at these prices. Alone with Andy telly them something will be announced soon.
quote:Originally posted by Bigrod40: OK people, whats up with this POS???? Volume is almost 6 Billion in the last 5 Trading days???? Who the hell buys or sells this POS anymore???? Better yet who can still be interested in this POS????
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Once again it's all spelled out in plain language. How long is this thing going to hang on before they finally put the boot to it??
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Needless to say the SEC has done its home work pretty well. Sad to say, but I don’t think anyone could have prepared a better brief than what Hakala put together. I don’t like the way she interprets what the Judge had ruled on concerning CMKX’s position of filing a fraudulent Form 15, acting with a high degree of scienter, and that their actions were egregious, but to make an argument is all kind of irrelevant without the company furnishing the filings.
Most of us understood that the company had a lot of hard work ahead of them and information to provide coming off of Judge Brenda’s initial decision to revoke and that the task ahead of the company would be great if they were going to be successful in stopping a revocation. Most agreed that with the additional time that an Appeals Process would provide, Urban, Mr. Maheu, Mrs. Herring, Mrs. Buck, Donald Stoecklein, and company would be able to at the very least provide an auditable rough draft to present in the company’s defense. We are still looking for its appearance and it still could come. I would think that apart from something tangible being delivered to the Commission, there is a very good chance that the revocation is going to be finalized.
If so, this is not the end for CMKX nor is it the end for the CMKX shareholders, it would however be an end to the current freedom that CMKXers have to trade their shares openly in the market place. [Exceptions can be made, but they are rare]. This does not make your shares “worthless” as many claim, for the value in your shares is not hidden in the tradability of the shares, but within the potential and ability of the company to bring value to your shares by increasing and developing our current and future assets, generating revenue, and negotiating settlements, mineral deals, etc… Just because the shares are not “tradable” in the market place does not mean that you can’t receive cash or share dividends or payments on the progress the company is making, including a possible and hopefully probable settlement to the NSS position.
Many have said that “no good thing can come out of a revocation” and I would like to submit a rebuttal to those statements. I would like to say first that a revocation would be unwelcome, a hindrance to the convenience of the shareholders trading, a black eye to the company and management, and a red flag to any companies possibly looking to invest in the development of CMKX’s assets. But…
A revocation would do one major thing…It would stop the free trading of CMKX shares and would freeze the NSS position to where it could no longer be covered or increased in the market place. It is a possibility that with a frozen NSS position in the market place and the company still developing our assets, acquiring new ones, generating future revenue from the American Mine Shaft, our United Carina 40%, our mineral rights in Saskatchewan, etc… One cash dividend to shareholders could send a message to “shorty” that would initiate or help force the market to move for a buy out of all CMKX shares through some entity or another. Every time the company would issue a dividend to the legitimate shareholders, “shorty” would have to cover the NSS shares being held by shareholders and shorty would have no hope of being able to gather these NSS in because there is no legal market that can be made on them. They would not even have any hope of recouping their losses by moving the PPS because there would be none. Thus a reasonable solution for “shorty” would be to make an offer to buy all shares of CMKX for xxxxxx amount of dollars – NSS position and legitimate combined.
Management could reluctantly negotiate and accept a complete buyout offer with the exclusion of the assets and mineral rights that would be transferred over into another company – possibly Ron Casavant’s CIM - with a provisional share distribution of CIM having already been made to shareholders of record from a year ago allowing the shareholders to follow the true value of the company and CMKX’s woes go away. [Yes, I would hope that a share distribution would be made available for new shareholders that have joined CMKX since the CIM dividend of a year ago and I would think it could easily be included].
If this scenario develops I would expect a possible immediate buy out by “shorty” of CMKX shareholders positions in an effort to stop the bleeding brought on by potential revenue or dividend disbursements from our assets. Remember that Maheu and Urban said they were focusing on “shareholder value, developing the assets, and acquiring new claims” and went on to specifically mention that they were not going to let the “regulatory issues detour them from their focus” and it appears they didn’t. So my hopeful guess is that they were busy working on building “shareholder value, developing the assets, and acquiring new claims” which would be a underlying asset to seeing this scenario unfold, IF a revocation were to take place.
The monies generated by such a buyout would go directly to the shareholders holding in electronic/NSS form and would be mailed out to the Certificate holders at the receipt of the signed sealed and delivered certificates.
Be sure and protect your CMKX holdings by keeping an updated broker statement, or preferably holding certificates. If a revocation takes place you can still request certificates on your CMKX electronic shares. Non tradable, does “not” mean they can’t be requested and transferred into your personal care by certificates. Usually certificates are paid first and are acceptable in a court of law as proof of ownership of a particular security if things get weirder than they already are. Broker statements are not acceptable regardless of opinion. Check and see that the state and federal laws make no provision for the use of a broker statement being acceptable as “proof of ownership”. I will not debate this issue again, but those that disagree should try to find one case where a broker statement has been admissible in court as proof of ownership or a state or federal law that states it is valid proof of ownership and admissible in a court of law. Happy hunting. A broker statement is a record of a contract that you have made with your broker that obligates your broker to provide you with the securities you purchased, but there is nothing to say or prove that your broker successfully accomplished his objective. That is what the cert does for you.
“If” the revocation takes place “and” CMKX is rendered non tradable, IMHO, certificates work best for all of us. Seeing we have a huge NSS position already, the transfer agent cannot possibly deliver on all requests for certificates, so it becomes first come first serve and the brokers fail to deliver on certificates they can’t hope to ever receive as there would be no more and seeing that the security is no longer trading in the market place. No way to cover, no where to hide, and 50,000 plus shareholders wanting their certs would or could, IMHO, initiate action and a possible buy out offer as a once for all resolution.
Just trying to point out a possible “silver lining” in the midst of the cloud.
Success is still at hand. These are all just my opinions and I ask that you treat them as such.
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It's Dead now let the folks recover, let them get on with getting back to reality.
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Methinks Dr.D has some tarnish on his "silver lining". Some people are dead and too dumb to fall down.
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Maybe we should start a new thread CMKX Is Finished
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this thread IS 96 pages. Perhaps 'CMKX the aftermath'
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CMKX Revoked Now What ???? good name for a thread
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Why not get personal with it, and mix legal's name in the thread title. Legal's shattered, theory, dream, whatever you like. Is it FINAL REVOCATION yet? Is the appeal process exhausted? Has the coup de grace been administered? There's your next title Coup de grace for legal's CMKX, you might be generous and leave legal's name out of it, or substitute CMKX pumpers coup de grace.
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