quote:Originally posted by bill1352: legal, is that the same office manager that sold shares for at least $4.6 million? ya would think for that kinda money stuff could end up in a cabinate & god forbid in some kind of order. according to your theory UC must make some effort not to end up in court. hmmmm, ya think maybe that effort includes keeping books & records? ya think it includes not funding meaningless activities such as race cars? dont ya think finding diamonds should come before the ad campaign? i'll go with stockliem lying, a lawyer protecting his client, nothing new. but 2 auditors lying, i don't think so. they didn't get paid enough to get their license pulled for a .00005 pink sheet stock.
OK bill, one at a time, but only because it is you.
B) legal, is that the same office manager that sold shares for at least $4.6 million? ya would think for that kinda money stuff could end up in a cabinate
L) I don't have a clue what office mgr. you are speaking about now. If you are talking about Ginger Guttierez, she started off as PR for CIM, and I believe later worked with Desormeau. But when I was talking about files behind the cabinet, I was saying that if Urban had "borrowed some money from the company without proper documentation files, then his attornies would have told his to "find" the necessary documentation that had accidentally fallen behind the cabinet, rather than let him go to jail for it. Since they didn't, then I don't think he did anything wrong.
B) according to your theory UC must make some effort not to end up in court. hmmmm, ya think maybe that effort includes keeping books & records?
L) yes, that's why he hired and paid Desormeau as CFO. Remember that PR about the highly efficient financial network system that he was to put into place. Guess you'll have to ask Desormeau where the books and records are. The SEC didn't seem to have any interest in asking him.
B) ya think it includes not funding meaningless activities such as race cars?
L) Since when is effective advertising... meaningless. Shorty would have buried this company if it hadn't been for 50,000 shareholders.
B) dont ya think finding diamonds should come before the ad campaign?
L) And you know we didn't?
B) i'll go with stockliem lying, a lawyer protecting his client, nothing new. but 2 auditors lying, i don't think so. they didn't get paid enough to get their license pulled for a .00005 pink sheet stock.
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Someone asked what Debi said. Where heres her response. I just can't figure it out. Can't they read or is it a understanding problem? Did she go to special ed classes? I know legal won't like that but come on. It was in plain English. The JV's DO NOT HOLD 85% of the company. The master shareholders list showed that quite clearly. It's too easy yet these, whatever, refuse to look at the truth. They still want to live in the dream world they made up. The real truth is released and they just ignore it. Oh well.
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posted on 8/1/2005 at 11:14 PM
Hi Flyboy, Think if 85% of the shares get instantly nullified when the 14C group lose any rights to the claims.
Fixes the share structure real fast and at .0001 X about 570 Billion shares that will disappear ($57 Million dollars) makes the racing that helped bring in shareholders to buy the shares that shorty was selling seem like a bargain.
We haven't seen Urban's side of things. The auditor made some comments about the racing which were not his to make since we have counsel to help with those decisions.
Read the filing with the 14C to understand what is occurring. Read the PR's.
I am looking forward to the next moves.
IMO-Debi
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That advertising had nothing to do with improving CMKX's business operations which is what advertising is meant to accomplish. It was strictly meant to PUMP CMKX stock and it appears that UC and cohorts were the beneficiaries of that pumping. Remember? "GOT CMKX"? He was selling stock! It's that simple. UC had all the inside information, authorized all PRs and apparently used CMKX for his own personal gain to the disadvantage of stockholders. Those PRs were purposely worded the way they were released to benefit UC's and cohorts' intentions. People like you, legal, sucked them up and ran with them because of greed or because you were paid to do so in some manner, shape or form....or all of the above.
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Wallace advertising is designed to promote your product or service. Urban was selling chances to own a piece of a diamond exploration company. That's what he had to sell, and I think the races were an excellent medium for that promotion. And 50-60 thousand shareholders will attest to that. Looks like he did pretty well at reaching the masses, exactly the intent of advertising.
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Well legal, when you sell interests in a non-existing enterprise, it's called a ponzi scheme or pyramid scheme. Both of which is illegal. (a pyramid scheme can be different from a ponzi scheme in some ways) Sounds like cmkx to me.
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everyone is lying except UC & stocklien so to save cmkx uc & stocklien got everyone they thought would help to lie. 2 auditors lied, the SEC lied & didn't call certain witnesses. the master list isn't real, its old and incorrect, those ppl listed that sold bought back on the open market. stocklien lied when he said less then 25% of the needed info for an audit exists, in fact UC lied because he said books weren't kept. UC never signed the authorization of 779 billion shares, somebody forged his signature. cmkx knowingly broke the laws reguarding public companies to keep cmkx from being taken over.
the choices are believe that stuff or believe its a scam. now there is something that will take a lot of thought....lol
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Wallace doesn't think there are paid bashers but he thinks there are paid pumpers?
Comical.
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: Wallace advertising is designed to promote your product or service. Urban was selling chances to own a piece of a diamond exploration company. That's what he had to sell, and I think the races were an excellent medium for that promotion. And 50-60 thousand shareholders will attest to that. Looks like he did pretty well at reaching the masses, exactly the intent of advertising.
chances? like each share is a chance? lottery? No wonder the rednecks have a bad rep. If they bought this, it shows a lack of brainpower. The only thing UC could have done worse was rope in the mentally retarded. Maybe he should have investigated bull riding, too.
Face it, legal, the only thing he has done so far was indulge himself in a hobby using our money, and call it advertising. Why didnt he advertise in the New York Times maybe? Could it be that they would have recognised CMKX for what it really is?
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quote:Face it, legal, the only thing he has done so far was indulge himself in a hobby using our money
Now that's just not true Ed. We also bought him a very nice house, we've insured that a whole lot of Casavants and a whole lot of Casavant friends and relatives lead very comfortable lives, I mean come on, look at all the good people we've helped. Just gives you that nice warm feeling inside, doesn't it?
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Strange. No wait, or is it odd? I saw you like two weeks ago posting on Pro - boards 32. Now you are knocking the socks off this stock?
Hot, cold, hot cold. That is how you are; pick a side and stay on it.
I do hope you sold your holdings and if so, why are you still here? lol...
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I smell a lot of RoseBuds from Wallace, UpSide and Ed13963 today.
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This board has been great comic relief. THANK YOU!
I don't understand how the 'pumpers' really can believe in this company after all of the information that has come out (court hearings, etc).
I keep seeing people write that "Maheu and his master plan...." WAIT ONE SECOND.... did anyone read the court transcripts? What did Maheu say? Nothing!!! I'm sure he is a nice man.... who probably got sucked into someone else's "Master Plan"....
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One more thing.... I just wanted to create a list of 'key words/phrases' that we all hear from the koolaid drinkers:
1. got the goods (I really hate this saying...) 2. shorty 3. IMHO, IMO, etc 4. Master Plan 5. DD 6. paid bashers 7. ...he loses the company. 8. oil, uranium, gold and zinc. 9. diamonds 10. CIM 11. premerger syndicate financiers (I love that one) 12. International Terrorists (normally not funny, but funny in the context of CMKX)..
Please add any others (I know I missed a lot)....
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legal: "Urban was selling chances to own a piece of a diamond exploration company."
W: Selling "chances"? What in hell are you talking about, legal? It appears to have been part of a pump and dump scheme every which way you look at it....from pushing the stock at races, from misleading PRs, from Melvin's statements, from Urban Casavant's statements and from facts determined and brought out by the Hearings.
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"Psyco" posts over on pb32 (aka "pro"-boards, so you know how sad his position is)and often uses the words "Rosebud". Wonder if he is bright enough to know where the name originated?
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I hope he sticks around. It's never a pretty sight when a pb'er comes over here for deprogramming but I'm sure we will all give it our best.
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He's been treated lightly so far. If he keeps pick, pick, picking, I am sure any one of a number of posters here will nail his ass to the wall.
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Here's some real laughs for everyone from Debi (wwjdthrume). She says CMKX is a "when stock"! LMAO! How dumb can a person get?
Roger Glenn/Filing/The Plam « Thread Started on Today at 10:35am »
With all the gloom and doom a logical ray of sunshine broke trhough.
Back when we were non reporting and RG came onboard to help us file, he looked at what we had both in claims and paperwork. If we could never bring our records up to a standard needed to comply with Sarbanes Oxley he would have recommended a buyout or merger into a non reporting pink to get the company ready for later reporting.
That didn't happen. RG is not incompetent. UC is not stupid. Bob Maheu also knows what is required to file and what is needed for success. Since they didn't announce a change from non reporting to staying non reporting, or a reverse split to cut the number of shareholders to be able to stay non reporting, then the plam must still be in effect (even if adapted to changing conditions). CMKX is the one who started the SEC revocation ball rolling when they rescinded the form 15.
That is IMO-Debi Re: Roger Glenn/Filing/The Plam « Reply #9 on Today at 12:17pm »
I think the one question that is correctly asked is when. I see this as a when stock, not an if.
I was with you Plam up until you threw in the towel for UC. He saw it was going nowhere -Correct. He brought in a great team. Correct. Now it continues to be shorted and all hell is breaking loose. So did UC throw in the towel and give out shares like candy to everyone around him at our expense? OR
Did he receive value for the shares given? Did all surrendered shares get sold? Did any get bought back? Those lists are from last year.
It is possible UC paid for everything needing to be paid for with CMKX shares. He needed to conserve cash to avoid BK and have $$ to outlast the concerted Bear Raid on CMKX.
He has proven he could outlast them and avoid going BK. We don't know what he got for shares, what was sold and/or bought back.
We can trust that this team of reputable people are trying to do the best for us or just believe the team shorty sent in to part us from our shares.
One more thought is UC gave the CIM dividends to take care of longs so dilution would not harm them. The earlier investors got 1 for 1 plus a forward split of CMKX 1 for 1 and CIM dividends on top of that. They are sitting pretty.
The later investors (and I have added 100 million shares since Oct 04) have the legal play on the naked short plus whatever dividends will be dispersed to shaserholders including cash from CIM if that 10% dividend is followed through on.
We have the goods. It is too easy to see that. If we didn't we wouldn't be here and neither would the bashers. People fight for things of value. How many City dumps or landfills need security guards to keep people from stealing trash? Illegal deposits maybe. Withdrawals no!
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"Here's some real laughs for everyone from Debi (wwjdthrume). She says CMKX is a "when stock"! LMAO! How dumb can a person get?"
Hey speaking of dumb things....
How's your wife Wallace?
P.S. Do not call Debi dumb, you seminal dumpster.
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The only thing I am nailing tonight is your xxxxxx.
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"seminal" - having the character of an originative power, principle or source; containing or contributing the seeds of later development; Germanative, Original".
Little did you know the compliment you gave me by calling me a "seminal dumpster. Dumpster suggests a huge amount.
I "originated" this was a SCAM a long time ago...QUACK!QUACK!QUACK!. I have been the principle source of many of the facts showing CMKX is a SCAM. I have contributed volumes of DD to convince people of what CMKX, Urban Casavant and cohorts are all about.
She should probably be careful about her claim of buying 100 million more shares.... if it is false... she could be in big trouble.
Debi said, "We have the goods. It is too easy to see that. If we didn't we wouldn't be here and neither would the bashers. People fight for things of value. How many City dumps or landfills need security guards to keep people from stealing trash? Illegal deposits maybe. Withdrawals no!"
What rational business person refers to the success of their business by saying "We have the goods." It sounds childish.
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psycho...to nail anyone you first need the mental capacity of at least a 1st grader. from the posts i have read, you dont qualify.
wallace i love how wwjd puts in the when cmkx was a non-reporting company. telling everyone you lied on a form 15 does not equal reporting. filing all required forms & reports equals reporting. to do this you need records, financial statements, you need, in cmkx's case why certain ppl & shareholders (paid pumpers) got free shares & loans. you need to explain why ginger (roger glenn stated she & desormeau had all cmkx records), an office manager earned at least $4.6 million. you need to explain the reason $4 million went to race cars & who voted that 1 in. you need to explain why gold bearing rubble was given away to pay past due bills when 703 billion shares were sold & the bill was less then $200K. you need to explain buying $60 million in gems & where they are kept. he11 you need to explain why the o/s is 703 billion & the float is at least 650 billion. after getting thru all those explainations you might be a reporting company until then you are non-reporting.
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"How many City dumps or landfills need security guards to keep people from stealing trash? Illegal deposits maybe. Withdrawals no!"
And, what the hell does the above have to do with any stock? It is the poorest analogy I have ever seen. Guess she's talking about dumped CMKX certs that are worthless? I doubt if even she knows what the hell she is saying.
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