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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Since this thread was about to disappear from the "radar screen" and in the absence of anything to talk about regarding CMKX, how about a little off-topic political humor? - This is really good, check it out!
www.jibjab.com

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that`s why this is called the stockmarket

and from experience the biggest gains are made from worst case scenarios

cmkx is trading at worst case scenario levels
or actually way below that

i would not listen to people who try to be your friend and then stab you in the back

So I just continue to check in even less now and hope maybe one day someone else will ask the same questions and I might be lucky enough to finally learn from the hopeful but educational responses.

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Originally posted by Str8Shooter:

Just one more thing. I have posted several times in the last week, and believe I have made some valid statements and asked some valid questions, and yet get few responces. I have seen this with other posts as well. It seems like everyone is more concerned with name calling and taking shots at one another. I hope in the future that will subside. And get back to what this type of message board is about. Friendly investors posting information, questions, concerns, and advice. And in return, get educational, and informative responses from other friendly investors.

Thanks to all, and Good Luck!!!
Go CMKX! [/B]

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Muwahahahah!

So I am upto 45 dollars saved! I'll have those shares by Tuesday of next week Shake and bake My friends...

-John- (Poor broke soul )

LOLOL HAHAHAH

That is to funny!

LOLOL HAHAHAH

That is to funny!

the question remains is U.C. retiring shares
or are they covering the naked positions
maybe both!
one answer remains for shure ,
as long as there are naked positions
the price will remain manipulated!

hey
i`m not complaining
it creates a huge opportunity

and as we know this company is fighting back

against naked shorting + cellar boxing

name change ,dividends,tender offers ,are methods fighting back against these illegal practices

and as the past has shown a split is the least effective,so we don`t have to look forward to that

BUT I`M LOOKING FORWARD TO EVERYTHING ELSE

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Due to Casavant's share contribution to the property acquisition by CMKM occurring prior to the Aug. 20, 2004, date, Casavant will not receive this or any subsequent dividend.

I am sorry, I must have missed the times you asked it when scrawling through...

URBAN C. has to retire his shares through somebody so maybe it is jeff

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Originally posted by bill1352:

the way this pr is worded he is not getting the dividend because he doesn't have any shares or am i having a flashback and reading this wrong?

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Originally posted by singlemom:
You know, I was wondering when someone was going to say something or if it was even noticed. I have asked several questions as well and have received no response. I just thought I wasn't in the "in" crowd.

So I just continue to check in even less now and hope maybe one day someone else will ask the same questions and I might be lucky enough to finally learn from the hopeful but educational responses.

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Singlemom,
I, as you do, read more on this board than I post. I really joined it to learn, not to teach. I felt I was certainly the student. However, I've since found that I enjoy participating in the discussions but sometimes don't necessarily get all my questions answered. Honestly, I participate in several boards now so that I can get a broader picture of facts and opinions as they come.

Also, some of my participation includes challenging people when their facts aren't backed up so that people like yourself that don't post very often understand that there may be desenting views and to not take everything you read as gospel. I do believe that there are paid bashers on the site and their job is to make you uncomfortable as a stock holder, sell your shares early, and ultimately drive the price of the stock into the ground. I don't begin to postulate openly on who I think those bashers are but if you don't challenge something you don't believe to be true then someone may take it as the truth.

All that being said, I hope you stick around. Your opinions and views are appreciated and if someone doesn't answer your question the first time perhaps consider posting it again. It's possible that it was overlooked. I've seen money-penny post questions several times when no response is made. You're encouraged to do the same.

Good luck.

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bill,
I'm having trouble following what point you're making. I know it's me so help me a little. I would agree with your last sentence though that the belief is that UC gave up his UCAD dividend as it pertained to his 40 billion shares of CMKX he "donated". I don't think it had anything to do with any other insiders so I wasn't following your logic.

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I belive the point he's making (and correct me if I'm wrong Bill) is that Urban isn't just cutting himself out of the UCAD dicidend out of the goodness of his heart. The p/r says Urban will not be receiving the UCAD dividend because of his share donation to the Nevada Mineral acquisition. The only reason Urban would not be entitled to the dividend is if he is no longer a shareholder. Is the 40 billion he is using for the Nevada deal all of the shares he has?

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Originally posted by Money_Penny:
Since this thread was about to disappear from the "radar screen" and in the absence of anything to talk about regarding CMKX, how about a little off-topic political humor? - This is really good, check it out!
www.jibjab.com

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Originally posted by bill1352:
exactly upside...after all this stuff about nakes shares and UC buying up shares this pr says he doesnt get ucad bec ause of no shares...so what happened to him buying up shares? did he just retire them as melvin said? i know that the idea of UC buying up shares came from ppl like Dr D & Zen...ppl like that..i thought in my mind he would be buying up shares myself...it doesn't change my opinion about the final outcome of cmkx but it makes me wonder why UC would give up all of his cmkx shares.

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for accepting customer short sale orders in certain securities and, for each order, ?failing to
make/annotate an affirmative determination that the firm would receive delivery of the security on behalf of the customer or that the firm could borrow the security on behalf of the customer for delivery by settlement date.?

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Originally posted by HarryHar:
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being that Ameritrade was named in this, that makes me wonder. So they will probably be making sure of the settlements now that they are being sued, right? They woudln't let this happen again would they? Good thing this is all happening BEFORE Aug 20 or whenever we should really see the naked short situation resolved.

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If you can't sleep at night worried about your investment, you've invested too much IMHO.

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Understand, risks aside, if you OWN a stock, that you bought using your money in your account and you have all the copies and notifications, tax records to prove you own it, and that company issues a dividend that you do not recieve, SOMEONE, not YOU is resposnible for those dividend shares. That is your broker. Penny stock trading aside, they have a legal contract to provide trading 'services'. The dividend falls under these services. If you bought using cash, YOU ARE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO THE DIVIDEND...

There are NO ways around that. You bought using good faith through an established, licensed brooker. By not providing you an entitlement that you are entitled to, fraud is being committed.

No one can turn around and say," well you bought five thousand dollars of CMKX nine months ago but you won't recieve your dividend, while other investors who bought in at the same time or after you, will."

That is a serious infringment upon working ethics and laws. Are they not issuing you shares absed on what? Skin color? Street address? Income? THEY MUST ISSUE THOSE DIVIDEND SHARES TO US... NO WAY AROUND THIS.

Foxnews will gladly report this serious fraud so as to beat out CNN to the punch...

Let our Brookerages handle the pointing of fingers

-John-

Well everybody, good to be back after a week's absence. That week has given me a chance to do a lot of thinking about this stock without distraction. Let me share a few of those thoughts with you. Notice I said thoughts, not facts. So this is heavily, IMO.

One of my main stumbling blocks all along has been the OS, along with most of you. Why not release it? I'm sure all of the auditing has been done by now and the numbers are known to Urban. We don't know, so we can throw out any number. 400 million, 40 billion, 400 billion, you name it. Whatever it is, why not release it to the shareholders so we can do some evaluations of our investment, and the value of the dividends, etc.? If it were any of the numbers above, of course, the lower the better for us. Would you get out if it were any of those numbers? No, I don't think most mature investors would throw away the opportunity here for pennies. So again, why wouldn't Urban release the numbers if it really won't make much difference to the shareholders decisions to sell or not? This is what I pondered all week.

The only thing I could come up with that makes sense, is that my original idea that there is little or no outstanding shares makes the most sense. Here is why. I believe the last number we had to work with was 500 billion authorized. Now I also had to give Urban credit for being a pretty sharp cookie, and I don't think he would release more than 49% of his AS, and give deBeers an opportunity to take control of his company after securing all the mineral rights from under their noses. So it wouldn't make sense for him to release more than 249 billion shares to the market.

That kind of release would have presented itself to the MM's as an opportunity to naked short the company into bankruptcy and make a "big" score. Or deBeers could have gotten one of the MM's to act as agent for it, pushing the price down and giving them an opportunity to buy up controlling interest, not knowing that Urban never released a controlling amount of shares. But for whatever reason, the price was forced down to .0001, and held there for several months, when many of us were buying them up as well.

Now if Urban had in fact released 249 billion onto the market at, let's say, a low average number of .0005, he would have collected $124,500,000. When they had been driven down to .0001, he could have repurchased them back for $24,900,000. That's nearly a 100 million dollar profit for the company. Why wouldn't he do it? I know I sure would have. And now he has an opportunity to get even with the MM's whom he notices are still selling shares by the billions, to US !!!!!

By this time, he has found diamonds, even if miniscule, and has the promise of much more. So he sees what he has, he sees what the MM's are doing (for whatever reason) and he has already made enought money (100 million) to move on. He contacts E&A and shows them what he has and the proof of what's going on with naked shorting. Roger has their investigative division to check out everything that Urban has claimed, ( a necessity for a company like E & A ). They find everything to be true and agree to take on the case, and begin advising Urban on a plan to take this to the limit, not just for money, but also to stop the naked shorting industry wide.

How do you do this? What is the necessary strategy to make all of this work? You issue a dividend. Why not, if you own all of the true AS? If you've got them all, all you're doing is putting the dividend back in your own pocket. But it forces the MM's to make good on the dividend for all of the naked shares, or buy them all back at whatever price the shareholders want. So, just issue a share dividend from a company you already control. That way the MM's will have to either try to buy those dividend shares from the 'sister' company in order to meet the dividend date, which we are seeing in the climbing value of UCAD; or they have to buy back investor shares that are naked. Now if they take the latter, they have to manipulate the share price down again, which we have been seeing for the last couple of weeks.

Knowing that they might try to get as many shares of UCAD as they could, he immediately throws another bomb in, and issues a dividend in shares that they can't buy (privately held and not public CIM shares), meaning they still have to make good on buying back the naked shares. And I suspect, that if they continue to try and manipulate the PPS for their advantage, Urban will throw out a cash dividend to all shareholders that will break their backs.

Now that is what I see is the Cassavant Maneuver. The MM's, if they have been grossly naked shorting CMKX shares, have committed not just a civil breach, but also a criminal breach for which they can go to Federal Prison. Now that would not be the MM's first choice.

So that brings me back to why not issue the OS? Because if he did, and that amount is zero, the naked short position would be very public and very loud, and Federal Investigators would be moving in very quicly to make arrests, and none of us win, at least immediately. That is the only reason I can see why he isn't making that public. He's trying to give the MM's time to cover their naked shorts and avoid arrest and imprisonment, and leaving them in business to take care of future business that we need them for. And for those investors who are loyal enough to see it though, a chance to make a "million, millionaires."

Got Bottomline Answer From Our T/A Re: Certs/Divid
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Hi All,

I called CMKM’s transfer agent, 1st Global Transfer, LLC. at 702-656-4919, and spoke with Jeff (I hope no relationship to the JEFF). [see Investopedia's definition of a transfer agent at http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/transferagent.asp

Jeff is THE MAN that physically puts all the numbers on our CMKX stock certificates indicating how many shares we own; we want to be really nice to Jeff…eh? [As a side note, there had been some posts that various brokers said that when ordering certificates the certificates could only hold ‘7’ numbers. I asked Jeff how many shares he could issue on one certificate and he said 999,999,999 share, thus ending the rumor one would have to order more than one certificate if one had more than 9,999,999 shares]. Jeff seems to be a very nice person and appears to pay attention to detail.

The purpose of my call to 1st Global Transfer LLC. (1stGT) was to ask several questions regarding securing certificates. Below are my questions and Jeff’s answers.

Q: Are you the transfer agent (t/a) for CMKM and CMKX stock?

A: Yes, we are.

Q: If I order stock certificates for CMKX from my broker, Ameritrade, what is the path such an order takes from Ameritrade down the line.

A: Ameritrade sends a request to the Depository Trust Corporation (DTC); the DTC sends in an order for CMKX certificates to us, 1stGT.; then 1stGT cuts the certificates, records the name of the shareholder in the CMKM corporate ledger under persons name owning the stock; we then return the certificates to the DTC; then DTC returns the certificates to Ameritrade and Ameritrade sends the certificates to the shareholder.

Q: Who writes in all those little numbers on each CMKX stock certificate?

A: I do. It is NOT and automated process. I enter the numbers. I can enter in nine numbers, i.e., issue 999,999,999 shares of stock on one certificate.

Q: How long is your turn-around time from when you receive a request from the DTC and when the requested certificates are returned to the DTC?

A: Between twenty-four and forty-eight hours.

Q: How do you do it so fast?

A: Yes, we have the fastest turn-around time of any transfer agent that I know.

Q: As you might know, CMKM has declared a dividend to be issued to all of CMKMs’ shareholders with an Ex-dividend date of August 20, 2004. So my question is this: If I have not received my certificates by the Ex-dividend date because they are in “transit/process”, will I still receive the dividend when paid?

A: Yes! As long as Ameritrade has you as the HOLDER of the shares, i.e., a record that you purchased the stock prior to the Ex-dividend date, less three days prior to Ex-dividend date, you will receive your dividend.

Q: Okay, let me get this really clear. If I DO NOT have physical possession of my CMKX certificates three days prior to CMKM’s Ex-dividend date of Aug 20, 2004, because they are in limbo, you are telling me that I WILL still receive my dividend from CMKM for my CMKX stock via Ameritrade because Ameritrade has me recorded in their records at the HOLDER of CMKX, I will receive the dividend? Is that correct?

A: Yes! As long as Ameritrade has you on record as the HOLDER of the CMKX shares three days prior to Ex-dividend date, you will receive your dividends.

Q: How long is an average turn-around time for receiving one’s certificates in the entire loop, from broker request to DTC and DTC request to 1st GT and back to me?

A: Well it varies from four, five, six, seven days to many weeks. I have found that E-Trade is rather fast. In fact, I use E-trade for my own stock trades and have used them for years. I even have recommended E-trade to people because of E-trades efficiency in the certificate process.

Q: Are others asking for certificates?

A: Oh yes, I am quite busy.

Q: Jeff, one last question. You wouldn’t happen to know how many CMKX shares are outstanding, do you (the big o/s question)

A: [PAUSE…and then says very seriously] That is confidential information I cannot give out.

And I said, Jeff, just joking, just joking.

I said goodbye and that was it.

I hope this answers some important questions for everyone.

Ciao for now,

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U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. Purchases Juina Mining Corp.'s Interest in Yellow River Mining S.A.
Wednesday July 28, 7:05 pm ET

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 28, 2004--U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. (OTCBB: UCAD - News) announced today that it has purchased all of the interest in Yellow River Mining S.A. held by Juina Mining Corp. (Pink Sheets: GEMM - News), which is majority owned by UCAD. UCAD exchanged 50,000 shares of its common stock for 80% of Yellow River Mining S.A. as part of the initial steps to reorganize its corporate structure.
Rendal Williams, CEO of UCAD, stated, "This is only the first step in our efforts to have revenue produced in UCAD and to maximize the value of the assets we have already purchased."

Further details relative to this project will be forthcoming in future press releases and at http://www.uscanadian.com/, http://www.juinamining.com/ and http://yellowriver.com

Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995:

Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements.

Pheenix11
Who is behind this fear of not covering
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Do you know who is behind this fear of the MM's not covering & the anxiety over whether to order certs or not?

The MM's are.

They figure if they can't scare you into selling with doubt about the company then they will try creating doubt over whether they will cover to get you to sell.

Don't be a sucker. They will pay up.

You can all call Ameritrade 1000 times and like any other corporation in America, you will get 1000 different answers. They are all irrelevant.

If the MM's do not pay up, then Ameritrade, E Trade, Scott trade and all the rest of them will cease to exist. They cannot afford the coverage that will result when other investors, local consumer reporters, investigative reporters, 60 minutes, Dateline, major newspapers & news channels find out about this robbery.

The whole system & market as we know it would collapse & the economy would go into a recession as people ran to their brokers to pull their money out of their accounts.

Do you really think they will let this happen? Just like they bailed out the S&L's, they would bail out the MM's. Or quite possibly the billionaires who actually run the market behind the scenes will pick one MM to take the fall for the rest of them. Sacrifice 1 for the good of them all.

Too many people make way too much money to let something like this take them all down.

So relax, all this anxiety is merely created by the MM's as a last ditch effort to shake you.

P.S. Van I really liked your story about buying the wedding ring first and then finding the woman that fits it just right. That was romantic and even more so that you have been married for almost 40 years.......man I just don't meet men like that, I'll just keep dreaming like I do about this stock!

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What's your take on this? Is this like tipping your hand?
It seem to make sense that the MM's would know how much of an advantage they have if they know that folks have their shares on "hold" all the way up to say $1.

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alloymiken1
Diamond Finder

CANCEL YOUR GTC's
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Ok folks, I think while some have good intentions to piss off the MM's there's one thing many do not understand.

When you put in a GTC order, the MM's see it. They coordinate their buys/sells GTC to control and manage an effective market (this of course is when they are doing things legally).

Some are saying to put in a GTC for $1 a share. Understand this.....if they see 100 million shares with a GTC on them, they know they can short those 100 million shares all the way up until they get close to the dollar price per share. Then when it gets close to the dollar pps, they have to cover. Then and only then!

So your GTC order for $1 a share, helps them to see and plan their naked short activities.

DON'T DO IT!. Cancel your GTC orders and only put them in WHEN YOU'RE READY TO DUMP SHARES. Don't let them see [font=Verdana]TEXT[/font] plan, let them be left in the dark!
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Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
SINGLEMOM
Don't ge discouraged. Post your thoughts & questions. Many of my posts are not answered either. IF you post a good quetion someone will answer & just ignore all the crap. I would respond more to quetions, but try not to get into too many arguments. I know a number of others are doing same thing. There are a lot of shareholders of this stock who are quiet and waiting. Some come out after a PR. If a lot of people discuss legitamate ideas and COMPLETELY ignore the idiots, the board will go back to what it was.
Go ahead and repost your questions !
VAN

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