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While I have you on this topic, can you explaing why you think a huge number of o/s can have the possitive effect on the pps. Thanks.

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I liked the part that says:

"And while the company's shares may be selling for peanuts now,
the first confirmation of diamonds on its property could easily send shares soaring to many times their current value."

They're trading @ .45 right now.

Man, I'd like CMKX to be trading for "peanuts", too!

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Originally posted by DeadSurf:
hey everyone...i got this email yesterday...it's simply one of those email spam ads i think but it talks of a company sinlar to cmkx...i post it on here for you guys to read and see what everyone thinks about it in relation to our cmkx.

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If you want it, send me an e-mail and I will send it to you. Then PLEASE, if you want, post it.

I have explained my reasons enough.

I would appreciate it if you would stop with the digs toward me. I assure you, I can not stand conflict. I feel like I have been bickering with you about this since yesterday. All I asked for was some help with some DD. Then you start making a big deal out of it.

Again if you want it e-mail me and I will send it to you. Again it is no big deal. Again if you want to post it please do. But I would hope that you would consider NOT posting it on a public forum until you or someone can verify if it has anything to do with CMKX.

PAUL

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Originally posted by will:
I swore off of this thread since Paul pulled his stunt of 'I know something, but can't tell ya' However, I guess my conviction isn't that strong, and I just have to ask. If that is how a sample report is suppose to look, then why didn't CMKX's look like that?

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I am still in this very big. Haven't sold any of my possition since .0001

I hope you are picking up some more shares at these prices.

Upside thank you for the reverse split explanation :-)

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Originally posted by PAUL:
I do not have a large position (wish I did) but, what I have are free shares. I think I am holding them pretty strong.

Paul

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Originally posted by will:
Nor do I have a large position, but the responsibility of posting is not diminished by the amount of shares you hold. Y'all can't have it both ways, Ambiguity = genius and cunning, and in the next breath, that's how a sample report should look. Well, which is it?

[This message has been edited by will (edited June 23, 2004).]

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Paul, I know you to be a man of incredible integrity in your life and here on the boards. Thanks for all your contributions icluding not posting what you could not verify. -Debi

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Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
KINDA WHAT I THOUGHT !

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Originally posted by WWJD-thru-me:
Will wrote: knee-hi-boot-gurl:
Someone can come here with a signed note from Jesus telling me to sell , and I wouldn't pay any attention to it. I have made up my mind this is either going to go to the .XX in the next few months, or be worthless, or stagering around in the .00X's. Makes no difference at this point. Keep this in mind, read the company's PR's and base your decision on that, not some halfassed, ambigous comment design to unerve you. I don't care who makes the comment stock God, Guru, Superstar...I have made up my mind to make up my OWN mind regarding this one.

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Originally posted by Meshoe45:
The last 2 minutes of the day CMKX always drops to the low of the day.
ERRRR

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Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
WILL
Who will CMKX sell diamonds to when mined ?
VAN

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de beers of course!!! they are the only buyers
http://edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/prologue.htm

78,500,000 holding

later

FEAR FACTOR.

I'm going to ask you to step outside of your normal box of thinking. Step into the shoes of a brokerage house that has made a mistake. Now in the past, their strategy has worked 98 out of 100 times to make them disgusting amounts of money. The 2 times it has failed, they were still able to get out with only moderate losses. To them this has been a slam dunk virtually every time. But this time, they actually have made a mistake that has started to concern them. If you're still in the camp about "I don't believe naked shorts even exist" then you need to read www.thefaulkingtruth.com and you need to start getting a clue about what is happening. So back to our brokerage house with a problem.

What do you do if you are them? You have choices. Choice number one is to start covering as quickly as possible. Let's see, that will tip your hand to every other market maker as well as generate further buying momentum from traders and momentum players. All of this could spiral upwards so rapidly that you could be completely and totally annihilated. Hmmmmm, gonna have to pass on that option. Assessment: VERY RISKY.

Choice number two is to try and hold the stock down just a little but keep ticking it up SLOWLY so that you can cover at each successive price level and average your way out of this situation. Now the problem with that is that market psychology won't cooperate. If the stock keeps going UP, ironically, more and more people keep buying and fewer are willing to sell because "hey, it's still going up." Eventually, enough buying is now coming in that you just can't cover all that well. Hmmmm, doesn't seem like a good option either. Assessment: PRETTY RISKY.

Choice number three. Let's get back to old school basics. Fear and impatience. The harder we can drop this, the more frustrated longs will get. This stock is no different than the other hundreds we've crushed before. So-called "longs" are looking to retire by next week and if this stock is down 50% since they bought it, they will get weak in the knees QUICKLY. It has ALWAYS worked and it WILL work in this case. Plus, we have the added bonus of a law firm that is probably going to give us a large window time frame with which to inflict maximum pain on the share price. Law firms are notoriously known to slow things down and with all the clamoring for a press release, the longer it goes without one, the more shares we can shake out without any risk of rising momentum. Let's see how much pain these shareholders can take. Let's see just HOW long they'll last. Hey, if it fails, we still have options 1 and 2. But this is WORTH exploring. Plus, the other market makers are following our lead. They aren't about to go long on this if they sense that the selling is going to continue. This is a good, solid game plan that has no downside compared to the other two options. Assessment: MINIMAL RISK (ONLY COMPANY PR COULD CAUSE FAILURE)

That in my opinion is what is happening. In the past, they have won this way every time. In the past, the companies have been so brutalized by these tactics that they can only muster up a weak, feeble defense to which the shorts slap back down pretty quickly. The media reinforcements are called in when they need a little extra push. Usually that's a sign that the short selling is not going as QUICKLY as they have planned. But the media push helps accelerate that.

Now query a few things:

How many times in the past have the companies the shorts tanked been able to get a world-class law firm to step in on their behalf? Answer: None. Shorts know that when a company is on the ropes with its share price, the company can barely afford anything, let alone solid legal expertise. We have the legal firepower to combat this. Shorts have not encountered this before.

Why are there negative bashing articles appearing for a stock at .0004? This is a stock in the hundredths of a penny. Most of the articles that ever come out from the shorts are to bash down stocks sometimes in the dollars, sometimes in the .70s to .80s, but at .0004??????? Why are reinforcements being brought in at this level? Answer: Help is needed. And FAST.

How many times in the past have people had this much of a free ride? Usually, this game isn't played at the .0001 level. But for some reason they got a little cocky here. Then it blew up in such a way that a TON of people were able to get "free rides" by selling off their initial investment. Before the shorts were even able to lob a counterattack, these people already had their money off the table. Instead of sitting back "scared" of losing their investment, they are simply waiting. The "Fear Factor" is gone on a very large percentage of shareholders. How do shorts combat this? Answer: Don't know. Haven't really seen it before. This is a tough one.

Welcome to the pennies world, only this time you happened to have entered what is shaping up to be a true heavyweight bout. Shorts have cleaned the clock of just about everyone that has entered their arena. Someone new however has entered the arena. Someone they haven't seen before. Someone they haven't scouted. Someone they aren't yet quite sure how to size up. So they're dancing around doing what they've always done and it's working a little here and there. But quite honestly, it doesn't seem to be phasing their new opponent. And suddenly the shorts begin sensing something they haven't seen before. No fear. CMKX's strategy hasn't unfolded yet. But it seems to be a virtual guarantee with our new law firm that it will NOT be like any the shorts have ever seen before. Will it be a knockout blow? Perhaps. Or it could just be a systematic pummelling until the fight is called. But the shorts are in my opinion for the first time NOT in a superior position, no matter HOW weak they try to make the stock look.

Notice how gloomy all the boards appear today. This is exactly how the shorts want it. Oh, sure, we can't PROVE that anyone is shorting and bashers will incessantly claim that "Urban is printing shares" but, hmmm, they can't prove that either. Naked shorting is the perfectly cloaked crime since the market makers can make the situation appear to be as dark as they'd like and nobody truly knows why. Notice more longs suddenly admitting to "selling a few shares just to cover my initial investment." Actually, at these prices if 100% of people sold to "cover their initial investment", the shorts might get covered on a HUGE percent of their short. Now THAT'S a goal working towards. Maximum pain is their only option right now. Giving this stock a fear factor of 10 is their ultimate goal. They will do this for as long as they can because their only other options are even more unappetizing.

Shorts have the upper hand TODAY. But that is only because they do not KNOW what is coming. Granted we don't either, but I feel VERY comfortable saying that thanks to our new law firm, it will NOT be handled in a way that 99.9% of every other pink or otc stock has combatted the problem.

I have been through this kind of pain many, many times with other otcs. I knew this would happen but was still not willing to risk anything for a quick trade. I do believe this is the opportunity of a lifetime and I'm not willing to be caught outside of my trade at the precise moment when something breaks loose. I've accumulated slowly and at a full average of about .00055. I'm comfortable with that position even if I lose 60% of my investment on paper FIRST before it turns around. THAT is the only way in my opinion to play these pennies. THAT is why you will hear so many people that have been burned before say "scam" as soon as you try telling them about a pink sheet. It is a TOUGH place to make money and you can bet that with CMKX, it's going to be the TOUGHEST place of all.

Good luck to all. I am exhausted after writing this. LOL Don't know if it helped anyone at all, but when I have thoughts I jot them down. Hopefully more often than not, they're worth reading. LOL

"He and UC are workin' 24x7
the shore gold pr was interesting
everything is going according to plan"

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Originally posted by cool1sh:
From IHUB..
FEAR FACTOR.

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Good find, cool. Sounds good to me.

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Originally posted by tahoechris:
someone on another board contacted the transfer agent, and apparantly cmkx only has 700 shareholders, that seems like a real good number to me. also said everything should be available in 1 to 2 weeks..

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By: pedro20040
23 Jun 2004, 11:38 AM EDT
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Outstanding Shares of CMKX (rough estimate)

I ordered copies of the complete Nevada Secretary of State corporate filings for CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKX) and Casavant International Mining (CIM). My intent was to somehow estimate the O/S Shares of CMKX.

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Dean Heller
Nevada Secretary of State
Corporate Information

URBAN CASAVANT CAROLYN CASAVANT EMMERSON KOCH
----------CASAVANT INTERNATIONAL MINING CORPORATION
URBAN CASAVANT CORY KLASSEN CORY KLASSEN
----------CMKM DIAMONDS INC.
URBAN CASAVANT DAVID DESORMEAU DAVID DESORMEAU
----------CASAVANT GOLF COMPANY
URBAN CASAVAUT ALLAN MOEN ALLAN MOEN
----------FORT A LA CORNE DIAMONDFIELDS, INC.
http://sos.state.nv.us/ofcsrh3.asp
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Let us look at what we do know.

Last SEC 10Q Filing September 30, 2002
CYBER MARK INTERNATIONAL CORP. (aka CMKX)

Stockholders' equity
Common stock, authorized 500,000,000 shares at $.0001 par value, issued and outstanding 352,223,510 shares and 42,223,510 shares, respectively

Preferred stock, authorized 3,000,000 shares at $.001 par value, issued and outstanding one (1) share.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1092299/000111776802000039/cmseptq.htm

We are looking at 500,000,000 shares authorized
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DEF 14C filed 02/03/2003

Outstanding Voting Stock of the Company

In order to effectuate the merger with the Casavant Mineral Claims, the majority shareholders' holding more than 51% of the voting shares approved an increase in the authorized capital of the Company from 500,000,000 to 10,000,000,000 with the cancellation of all Preferred shares. Prior to this action, the Company had 3,000,000 Preferred shares purchased by the majority shareholders in 2001 for $235,000 from the Jarvis Entertainment Group, Inc., thereby giving them voting control of the Company.

On November 25, 2002, the Company's shares were valued at $0.0014 and the Casavant Mineral Claims were valued at over $10,000,000 in situ, but did not include pre-claims exploration, consulting and other expenses incurred (the "Additional Claims Expenses"). These Additional Claims Expenses were valued at $3,000,000 at the time of the merger.

As of the Record Date, there were 7,241,653,404 shares of Common Stock issued and outstanding. The Common Stock constitutes the outstanding class of voting securities of the Company. Each share of Common Stock entitles the holder to one (1) vote on all matters submitted to the shareholders.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1092299/000111776803000002/0001117768-03-000002-index.htm

Total authorized shares 10,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of January 15, 2003 was 7,241,653,404 common shares
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SEC S-8 filed 05/02/2003

Item 1. Plan Information

The Company is offering shares of its common stock to various individuals for consulting services on the Company's behalf. This issuance of shares is being made pursuant to consulting agreements between the Company and the individuals. The Company has equated this number of shares to the value of the consulting services provided or to be provided by these individuals. The shares issued hereunder will not be subject to any resale restrictions. The following individuals will receive the number of shares listed next to their names:

James Kenny 530,000,000
Timothy Cammell 530,000,000
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1092299/000111776803000024/casareg.txt

Total authorized shares 10,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of May 2, 2003 was 8,301,653,404 common shares
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Stock Split

Capital Change=shs increased by 2 for 1 split. Ex-date=09/30/2003. Rec date=09/30/2003. Pay date=09/30/2003.

This is where it gets a little tricky. We know that there was a 2-1 stock split. So basing on assumption, we multiply our authorized and issued shares by 2.

Total authorized shares 20,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of May 2, 2003 was 16,603,306,808
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Let us now go back to a press release on December 17, 2003.

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces That the Company Has Officially Retired 16.5 Billion Shares Back to the Treasury
12/17/2003 3:17:06 PM
LAS VEGAS, Dec 17, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) announced today that the company has officially retired 16,520,477,200 shares of CMKM stock back to the Treasury.
Urban Casavant, President of CMKM stated, "This is a huge step to create greater shareholder value by reducing the amount of shares issued of CMKM by over 16.5 billion shares. We also plan to retire more shares back to the treasury as soon as all necessary paper work is completed."

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I want you to remember that one word above “OFFICIAL.”
“officially retired 16,502,477,200 shares.”
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Issued shares was 16,603,306,808 from above.
(Issued shares 16,603,306,808) less (Officially retired shares 16,502,477,200) = (Outstanding shares 100,829,608)

Total authorized shares 20,000,000,000: Total issued and outstanding shares as of December 17, 2003 was 100,829,608.
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Here is a second press release on January 9, 2004.

Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Announces Retirement of 1.8 Billion Shares
1/9/2004 9:05:33 AM
LAS VEGAS, Jan 09, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets: CMKM) announced today that the company has approved the retirement of an additional 1.8 billion shares of CMKM stock. The company plans to retire these shares of stock back to the treasury to create greater shareholder value. The company also plans to wrap of negotiations of buy out of some mining claims and announce details of transaction by the end of the month.

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Notice this release does not say “OFFICIALLY.”
It says “Approved” …
"approved the retirement of 1.8 billion shares."
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How can CMKX retire 1.8 billion shares when there are only 100,829,608 million shares outstanding?
(Naked Short Selling by MM’s)

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I am not finished. I ordered some documents from Nevada. My credit card was charges 2 days ago. I did not receive the documents yesterday (06/22/2004). Hopefully today.

As soon as I receive the documents from Nevada, I will update this post.

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Originally posted by STAR GAZER:
cool1sh you mentioned that people have been burned playing pink sheet stocks and so say scam when they see one touted. You also say that pink sheet stocks are a tough place to make money. I LOVE PINK SHEET STOCKS. That's where I have had my greatest winners. If a person researches the stocks, they can find a
lot of great stocks. And, just as in CMKX, they have to sit back and wait, maybe acquire
free shares. All it takes is a few big winners to overcome the losers that you will have. And boy, are there some BIG WINNERS in this group. And anyway, playing the penny and
micropenny stocks is fun.

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