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It's time we fight back.
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Remember, a short sale involves the sale of stock that belongs to someone else. So, a naked short sale occurs when an investor sells stock without knowing for sure that it can be borrowed. In the U.S., before you can short sell a security, you must affirmatively determine that you can borrow the stock. Keep in mind that the details of this regulatory principle will vary across different jurisdictions.
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http://www.dorsey.com/news/news_detail.aspx?FlashNavID=news_pressroom&id=150171203
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http://www.prleap.com/pr_135.html
I'm trying to keep this thread at the top .

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This is what QBID and many other companies that feel they are being shorted do.


Ocean Resources Initiates Short Selling Audit
Monday March 22, 9:00 am ET


DALLAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 22, 2004--Ocean Resources, Inc. (OTCBB:OCRI - News) announced today that it has engaged the services of Morrow & Co., Inc., 445 Park Avenue, 5th Floor, New York, NY with the mandate to conduct a forensic shareholder audit to determine the extent of naked short selling in the Company's stock.
CEO Dennis McLaughlin said, "we believe that there are and have been significant short positions in our stock due to 'naked short selling' in the OTC. In order to protect our Company and its shareholders, we have asked Morrow & Co., Inc. to provide us with ongoing stock surveillance to monitor short selling. We will take all remedial actions recommended to us to stop naked short selling."

The Company has initiated this audit in advance of the newly enacted short selling rule adopted by the NASD, which goes into effect April 1, 2004. Naked short selling occurs when short-sellers sell stock short without properly borrowing the stock first. The NASD rule has been seen by some as a measure to stop "naked short-selling" that has resulted in unwarranted selling pressure on many companies' stocks. The complete text of NASD Rule 3370 can be found at the following Internet link: www.nasdr.com/pdf-text/0028ntm.txt.

For more information on Morrow & Co., Inc. go to www.morrowco.com.

About Ocean Resources:

Ocean Resources, Inc. (www.oceanri.com) is engaged in the business of deep-water recovery operations of valuable shipwreck cargos throughout the world.


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http://www.rgm.com/shortselling.html

Notice to all Shareholders and Companies affected by Naked Short Selling.

Add your voice and be part of the solution. Please sign the on-line Petition at http://www.investigatethesec.com and help to institute an independent investigation into the misconduct of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

In signing this petition, you are requesting that there be an independent investigation by the United States Congress or Senate in to the conduct of the SEC regarding the manipulative, abusive and illegal trading practice known as "naked" short selling. This petition also requests that they also investigate why this illegal trading practice has been allowed to exist by the SEC for over a decade without any significant enforcement.

Since the mid 1990’s, the SEC has been aware of naked short selling and has failed to adequately respond to investor and Company complaints alike. In recent years the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the SEC have conducted numerous investigations into naked short selling and have followed these illegal stock sales through to money laundering and other illegal schemes. As a result of the lack of diligent enforcement of their own trading rules by the SEC, every private investor has had their financial integrity jeopardized. Whether its private ownership of common shares, ownership of a mutual fund or participation in a company pension plan, every investor is having money stolen from their pocket by these criminal schemes.

By their lack of enforcement and passive neglect, the SEC is therefore guilty of aiding and abetting criminal activities.

Since the SEC has failed to take adequate counter measures to stop illegal short trading by members of the financial investment industry, we are demanding an independent accounting as to the reasons for their years of inaction.


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Here's another major problem that the SEC is not paying any attention to.......
What the heck do they do all day..just sit in their office playing solitaire or better yet are they actually capitalizing on all the inside info available to them ........who's watching them....

Picture this scenario and see if you can imagine how this might play out. Imaginary Company A, lets make it a dating start up service and call it "Live-A-Kiss, Inc." has 12 million shares outstanding and is just a business plan for a business. This would be a company with no substantial assets and no revenues worth mentioning. And let's imagine this company only has say 500,000 freely tradable shares as a result of a reverse split prior to the merger with the prior shell corporation. For this example let's call this shell "Muck-A-Fee Ventures, Inc". So essentially, Muck-A-Fee Ventures executed a reverse split making sure through some creative structuring that the bulk of the 500,000 remaining free trading shares are in "friendly hands". Then Muck-A-Fee issues another 11.5 million shares to Live-A-Kiss, Inc to complete the acquisition.

Then they create a story around this dating service called Live-A-Kiss, Inc. and begin trading. They take the stock from $.10 to $5.00 and then to $10.00 with little or no resistance. They make it look like there is activity by "painting the tape" or trading stock back and forth to make it look like volume when there is none. Because there are no legitimate shareholders to sell, there is absolutely no resistance to this upward movement and the stock goes all the way to $25 and more giving anyone looking at the stock the impression that this was a stock on the move. Of course, even though every single short seller in the world is dying to sell this stock, they can't because they can't borrow any shares. The promoters at Live-A-Kiss own the market with no one and nothing in sight to stop them.

Once the stock reaches $25.00 a share, the insiders who control the 500,000 shares and hold them in offshore accounts, start selling them off to unsuspecting investors. Of course, since there are no short sellers, there is no one to alert the market or the SEC or even Our-Street.com to the fact this is going on. Once Live-A-Kiss insiders have sold as many of the 500,000 shares as they want, they quit the pump and there it sits... a basically valueless company and a market capitalization of $300,000,000 for a company worth about $100,000 on a good day and suckers simply waiting for something good to happen that never will. Of course, once people figure out that this is a nothing company and the first few begin to sell, the stock will collapse like a tent in a tornado back to pennies without an ounce of support. Once again, no shorts in the stock means no support on the way down.

This may sound like fiction but it is more real than you can imagine. This is a scene that will be repeated again and again with different names and different numbers but always the same basic structure if the SEC does not take additional action along with their "must borrow" rule and require minimum public floats.


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Another awesome post, Vado- especially the question "who's watching them....". Who is watching the SEC? Does anyone have an answer to this?
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Who is watching? WE ARE for one. I still think some legal action from the trenches needs to occur somehow.
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I agree
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People are selling, removing themselves from a bear market, this is not the MM's fault. Blame cannot be laid upon NITE alone for the actions of an entire populous.

Always looking for the easiest to blame, the witless are.


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Market movement due to legitimate investor decisions is one thing, but deliberate manipulation is a reality as evidenced by many company news releases regarding naked short selling and a lawsuit involving the SEC.

[This message has been edited by BlindMellonChitlin (edited May 18, 2004).]


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I notice that any company that comes out and says they are upset about shorting of their stock and they want to do buybacks to help investors or that want to delist from Berlin exchange.... WELL, YOU MENTION IT AND NITE AND THE REST COME AFTER YOU. Their stocks are down by half or 3/4 since the slightest comment about shorting. THE SEC AND MARKETMAKERS HAVE MADE THEMSELVES CLEAR, MESS WITH US AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR INVESTORS COMPLETELY.

I think we as investors have to speak up but if the companies says anything, it will hurt them more.


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MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO HIM http://www.investigatethesec.com/ ABOUT GETTING A LARGE GROUP LAWSUIT TOGETHER FROM ALL PENNY INVESTORS. I know the market is down in general but they just use this as an excuse to short more even on company good news and profits.


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Shorting a stock is as legitimate as going long. Both positions are a roll of the dice situation.

How ever....If there is even one provable case of 'naked short' selling and the SEC does not actively investigate and apply their own rules, then we investors have a duty to expose the scam the SEC is perpetrating.


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quote:
Originally posted by roger7485:
All mm short stocks. Many times its not purely profit driven. Someone put a post on here that explained it quite well. Sometimes a MM finds themselves on a best Ask, often in the midst of a big surprise run, and they are forced to sell shares that they dont have. And then they continues to sell shares they dont have during the run and average their short upwards. So sometimes shorting is just a result of not being able to pull your ask before the pps gets there. MM have alot of stocks to watch so sometimes they get caught with their pants down, especially with pennies.

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Hey Roger, did you get in QBID uner .01? Patience pays eh?


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quote:
Originally posted by BlindMellonChitlin:
Market movement due to legitimate investor decisions is one thing, but deliberate manipulation is a reality as evidenced by many company news releases regarding naked short selling and a lawsuit involving the SEC.

[This message has been edited by BlindMellonChitlin (edited May 18, 2004).]


The most voiciferous of companies with regard to naked shorting was USXP....Turns out that USXP was the one dumping shares into the market. The whole market is down, can it all be blamed on NITE's naked shorting? Is NITE nakedly shorting every stock on every exchange? Maybe... just maybe naked shorting is not really that big a deal. Perhaps all the crying over shorting of any nature was started by a pumper of a naturally downtrending stock. Perhaps that excuse caught on and was tucked away in the handbooks of all pumpers. Perhaps all of you are falling prey to an all to easy blame game.
Open your eyes. Markets are victims of world affairs. Come out of your cubby holes, turn on the news, read the news paper, it is not that hard to figure out. Oil at an all time high, intrest rates about to rise, election year, continued and escalating turmoil in the middle east.
Let me guess.... NITE is to blame for all of it... right?


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It's unfortunate that NITE was in the title of the thread. They are probably no more responsible for naked short selling than any other MM. But that's life.
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NITE is among the worst (if not the worst) market makers
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Blame Blame Blame... won't make you rich, but just maybe it will give you confidence when you lie to the spouse about where the money went.
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NITE really heres you now. I've taken hits on stocks to, and this MM named Brett was the blame. Oh thats my name. When you make money on a stock you praise yourself correct?But when you lose you blame the MM's. The stockmarket isnt a guranteed game.Matter fact is not a game.
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I guess making noise about unfair shorting practices brings out the ones working for the MM's....like those last two above IMO.

And yes it's not a game....it's a crap shoot at best.
You do your DD and take your chances.

[This message has been edited by BlindMellonChitlin (edited May 18, 2004).]


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quote:
Originally posted by BlindMellonChitlin:
I guess making noise about unfair shorting practices brings out the ones working for the MM's....like those last two above ^^^^^^^ IMO

You are living up to Shanonn Hoon's name. Moron that had talent but killed himself with idiocy.


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What's your problem? Did I hit a sore spot? ROTFLMAO
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We should all get together and naked short the hell out of NITE.
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*BlindMellon****lin*
Yea I work for the MM's. They pay me millions to man. STFU and get some trading techniques that work so you dont have noone to blame. You dont know the first thing about short selling, just like trading.

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The MM's told me to posts this by the way.Im just doing my job.
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Well since I can't short a penny stock....I guess it's a moot subject. Only MM's can get away with that.

And spend OUR money to employ sad sacks like you.


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quote:
Originally posted by BlindMellonChitlin:
What's your problem? Did I hit a sore spot? ROTFLMAO

You have made yourself the butt of many jokes. Congratulations you are now feeling the subtle yet alluring nudge of Baaaa' haaaart's cold nose. Be usre to compliment him on his wool thong.


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Yep....definitely hit the sore spot. ROFL
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I don't mind losing money legitimately, but if I want to gamble, I'll go to Vegas. I do my DD, watch the charts and find what would be good entries if there was no manipulation. If the likes of NITE want to steal my money away, let them open a casino and be up-front about it. But hey, if you want to stick up for the mm's and their pumpers and bashers, and their patsies at the SEC, that's your perogative.
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BlindMellonwhateva I understand your pain and my condolences on your loses but if you made money your dumbass clearly wouldnt be saying this. Just buy the chart I posted below


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Pumpers, Bashers, Those who work for MM's, where are the traders who dont know what the hell there doing go?The category of making a petition about MM's who have more shares than $$$ than what you posts. Paleaze give me a break.
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Run from TALL, Blackie doesn't know what he's talking about. MACD intending to converge bearishly, PPS in an eratic post breakout pattern, Williams%R is still overbought.... Brett, what are you high?
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You can still get in everyone.If it moves down tomorrow Im blaming an MM and if moves up Im going to get more cocky
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