Beck acknowledged that the weapons would not be checked for connections to crimes before being melted down. He said the sheer number would make that difficult, and he does not want to deter people from turning in firearms.
they won't check if these guns were even stolen from a law-abiding citizen? cuz i saw ome guns that were worth well over 1000$ if they work.
this seems to me to be the government participating in, supporting and promoting criminal behaviour
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oh, and BTW? that 2000 guns off the street means there's only about 300 million more to take.... talk about peeing in the windward side of the ocean....
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Unbelievable....Great place to destroy your evidence....right under their noses. WTF.
Beck acknowledged that the weapons would not be checked for connections to crimes before being melted down. He said the sheer number would make that difficult, and he does not want to deter people from turning in firearms.
The shear number???? Can they be serious? It would take 1 man an hour or maybe two to enter in to database.
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for those who think they know history? it ain't exactly what we belive it is, non-violence is preferable, but it only works up to certain point:
Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British. Speech (16 June 1947) as the official date for Indian independence approached (15 August 1947) , as quoted in Mahatma Gandhi : The Last Phase (1958) by Pyarelal Nayyar, p. 326.
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sorry, i put that out without some prologue.
i like old movies an d particularly british and European ones because they often left he studio and filmed out n the real world. I was watching a mystery with a pre Sherlock Basil Rathbone set in some very posh British sitting rooms.. yo know the kind with 20,000 leather bound books and knicknack from all ver the world and it got me thinking how popular the british shows on PBS are today about the Gentry and the Serving Class and how they interacted (upstairs downstair and downton abbey)- i watch these show with skepticism becuase i see the one thing that is missing from them, and that is how the Brits maintained their gentrified living style.... well it was Colonial Rule that did it... and colonial rule is just slavery on a big scale.... and the differnce betwenn the rulers and the ruled is weaponry and the possesission thereof... i realise tyhat people want to belive the humanity has moved on from that... that's just wishful thinking.....
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -Mahatma Gandhi in his An Autobiography, pg 446
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between the flubug here and the holidays, i haven't been watching, but i have a rifle produced by Bushmaster that predates their ar-15 production. it's a 223 semi, foldin stock, made with a milled billet reciever instead of a casted receiver like the colt and ar-15's..... it was already priceless because they are so rare. now i think it may have doubled again... i have only ever found two pictures of them on the web.... i'd never seen or heard of this rifle before the guy who traded it to me brought it out... i had a sweet mauser bolt action with a 257 roberts bull barrel he really wanted from me bad and he threw this in as bonus thinking it was junk cuz it sort of looks like junk-it did get me to do the trade adn i've had it for twenty years and only fired it once to verify it works... i may be auctioning it off real soon if htis keeps up... i did alot that when i livd in VA and the ban then was th ebest thing that had ever happened to the gun dealers,, they were taking $$$ in hand over fist and the swaps at gun show ere unbelivable..
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looks rough but it put busmastr in the game, the action is actually better in most ways then the AR sytem and recevier is milled off a single peice of billtet.. no thin wall casting here:
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Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -Mahatma Gandhi
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Actully glass Gandhi peace ful revolution worked in India. Because it was a peaceful economic revolution.
As where the rebellion in India called the sepoy rebellion that was boiling for years. and started over Indian soldiers haveing to place there mouths over the 303 lee enfield paper sealed carthrige that was supposed to be sealed with pig and cow fat. This started in 1850's and was one of the biggest and bloodist Armed rebellions in the history world. And the Indians were slaughtered. The sepoys were armed and trained by the Brits and were good soldiers. I am sure this historical fact wether wrote in a book or not was in the back of Gandhi's mind and he was bound to try a different path.
I do know from reading articles about gandhi that he was studing the great pacifist movements in the world and there leaders such as Jesus Christ. and he was convinced this was the only direction for india. not all cultures and movements are the same and not all need guns and armies. India is sure one of the examples.
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Obama Pledges To Push For Gun Control Measures If ‘American People Decide It’s Important’
By Igor Volsky on Dec 30, 2012 at 10:20 am
President Obama called the Dec. 14th shooting in Newtown, Connecticut “the worst day of my presidency,” and said during a rare interview on Meet The Press, that he will propose a package of reforms that will likely include new regulations on assault-rifles and high-capacity ammunition clips, and enhanced background checks for gun purchases. A commission headed by Vice President Joe Biden is currently drafting gun safety recommendations.
But Obama stressed that reform cannot happen without broad public support, suggesting that he will rally public opinion for sensible gun safety regulations or drop the effort if Americans are not on board.
“We’re not going to get this done unless the American people decide it’s important and so this is not going to be a matter of me spending political capital. One of the things that you learn having now been in this office for four years. The old adage of Abraham Lincoln’s, ‘with public opinion there is nothing you can’t do and without public opinion there is very little you can get done in this town.’” Obama also rejected the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) call for more guns in schools, arguing that “the vast majority of the American people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem.” He promised to listen to all sides of the gun debate before making any legislative recommendations.
“It is not enough for us to say, ‘This is too hard so we’re not going to try,’” Obama said. “So what I intend to do is I will call all the stakeholders together. I will meet with Republicans. I will meet with Democrats. I will talk to anybody. I think there are a vast majority of responsible gun owners out there who recognize that we can’t have a situation in which somebody with severe psychological problems is able to get the kind of high capacity weapons that this individual in Newtown obtained and gun down our kids. And, yes, it’s going to be hard.”
Public support for gun control has increased in the wake of the shooting. A USA Today/Gallup poll released Thursday found that support for stricter guns laws is at its highest since 2004, with 47 percent now favor passing new gun laws rather than simply ramping up enforcement of current law. Fifty-eight percent called for stricter gun laws, a 15-point jump since October 2011.
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ray, actually about Ghnadi? i knew whatyoutold me to be true. but Ray, you shoulr take that quote of his to heart because he said it in speech to the wolrd after he won independance.
in th eend? non-violence only worked because the people with the guns did not choose to become worse buthcers than htye already had been. ghandi's peaceful revolution only worked becuase he was dealing with peopel ON THE VERGE of becoming enlightened. and like he said? IF he could have won with conventiaonl arms? he would have done it... BTW? India is now nuclear wolrd power, so you can take all your peace and love stuff and put it where it belongs, on the dream shelf. it is a great, nice dream, but we be human beings not angels.
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at to public opinion? ray, public opinion is being created by the mass media who represetn corporate interests. they ALREADY run the country, they've written nearly every law on the books and bought the congrress and even the current WH to implemnt them and enforce them... that is who's interest i being served in htis creation of opinion.
the guns are flying off the shleves again, just like they did last time gun ban was "imminent" that is peopel voting witheir actions, and that is what will prevail AGAIN regardless of the pain and suffering we are required to pay for our real freedom? only those willing to endure it will own that freedom, the rest will be subjects of some dictator corporate or miltiary. china is now a corporate miltary dictatorship run by a communist party. if you like living under that type of ruls so much go their and try it for just a littel while first, before you ask for it here...
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one last note about Ghandi ray, and i want you to thihnk long and hard about the irony of this, becuase the 'revisionists" gloss over this fact too.. even my wife with phd didn't know this and was deeply dismayed about never being "taugh" it by the "great universities" full of liberals andpeaceniks that we have:
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (often called Mahatma Gandhi) was assassinated on 30 January 1948, shot at point-blank range by Nathuram Godse. Prior to his death, there had been five unsuccessful attempts to kill Gandhi, the first occurring in 1934. Gandhi was outside on the steps of a building where a prayer meeting was going to take place. He was surrounded by a part of his family and some followers when three gunshots killed him.
If I am to die by the bullet of a mad man, I must do so smiling. There must be no anger within me. God must be in my heart and on my lips.
— Mohandas K. Gandhi, 28 January 1948, two days prior to his assassination.
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Don,t worry glass the Brits did use some violenceand all it did was back fire on them . I am sure that there was so much hate between the two sides that if the Indians had a nuclear bomb they would have used it.
Face it in the end under the right conditions non violoence really works with no settlements and divisions.
Gandhi might have said he would have liked to use it but he did not. He used non cooperation with no violence. he said once in a speach they can have my body but not my cooperation.
For the first time in history the indian people would not let the occuppiers use there bodies,needs in life,or larbor to make money off of. Once people are awhere of this, it is hard for the colonizers to stay. After all the only reason they are there is to extract wealth.
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i guess all i'm saying is that non-violence can work and should be the first move, but MLK was also a proponet of non-violence and was gunned down by mad-man as well... i think the Universe is inherantly violent, and we are part of it... even 'futurologists" fear that if we create artificial intellignece it will take part in the violence that is inherent in the fabric of reality.... i have great respect for the paths of both Ghandi and MLk, both preached non-violence and both were assassinated. I would like to think we can become "better" than that, but i also see that inabiltiy to defend oneself is an invitation to be raped and murdered by the less enlightened.
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‘Armed Teacher Training Program’ Launches In 15 States
By Annie-Rose Strasser on Jan 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm
An Ohio gun owners’ group is launching an “Armed Teacher Training Program” to instruct teachers and school staff on how to shoot off firearms in the classroom.
Perhaps at the outlandish suggestion of the National Rifle Association, who last month called for armed guards in every school as a response to the tragedy at Sandy Hook elementary, such programs are popping up around the country. In Ohio, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, along with a group called the Tactical Defense Institute, is crafting a curriculum specifically designed for teachers and school staff. A local Fox affiliate has details on who is signing up– they report that more than one third of the applicants are women, and that “more than half of the applicants work in high schools”:
As of Wednesday, the Armed Teacher Training Program has attracted more than 600 applicants from several states including Ohio, Arizona, California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and West Virginia.
“We knew this would be popular, but the response has exceeded out expectations,” said Jim Irvine, Chairman of the Buckeye Firearms Foundation. “People doubted if we would fill the first class. That happened in hours. This is something many in our schools have been asking about for a long time.” [...]
“No one will be forced to be armed if they choose not to. The strategy is the same as ordinary concealed carry. No one will ever know who is or is not armed. Those who seek to do harm in schools should be met with armed resistance, even before law enforcement shows up. Over time, schools will no longer be considered easy, risk-free targets.”
Arming teachers is illogical. More guns in classrooms, inevitably, will lead to accidents and unintended harm. Shootouts between teachers and gunmen is unlikely to be a net positive for students. But moreover, doesn’t get to the heart of the issue. America’s gun violence epidemic is not limited to classrooms. Gun deaths are set to outpace motor vehicle accident deaths by 2015, and the victims are diverse: Women with abusive partners, couples caught in crossfire, teens caught up in gangs, men carjacked while driving down the street, women mugged walking home through the park. The list is endless. Even in a world where arming teachers is the best solution for preventing a tragedy like Sandy Hook, it offers no hope to victims of gun violence out in the rest of society.
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Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." -Mahatma Gandhi
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Actully glass Gandhi peace ful revolution worked in India. Because it was a peaceful economic revolution.
As where the rebellion in India called the sepoy rebellion that was boiling for years. and started over Indian soldiers haveing to place there mouths over the 303 lee enfield paper sealed carthrige that was supposed to be sealed with pig and cow fat. This started in 1850's and was one of the biggest and bloodist Armed rebellions in the history world. And the Indians were slaughtered. The sepoys were armed and trained by the Brits and were good soldiers. I am sure this historical fact wether wrote in a book or not was in the back of Gandhi's mind and he was bound to try a different path.
I do know from reading articles about gandhi that he was studing the great pacifist movements in the world and there leaders such as Jesus Christ. and he was convinced this was the only direction for india. not all cultures and movements are the same and not all need guns and armies. India is sure one of the examples.
Yup, India has a sizable army. Did you forget about the beef with Pakistan they have? Years back there was a news story I believe about how the Indan Air Force beat up on our pilots in war games in the Indian Ocean.
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for once Cash, you offer great article, not becuase i agree with t,but becuse it is factual...
" these mass murderers are consciously choosing to commit suicide in carrying out their crimes. But they don’t want to go out quietly. They want to go out with a big bang to draw national and even worldwide attention to their pain and their plight. This is all a reflection of their mental illness."
this is the gist of it and guns don't "make' these peopel ill or do the deeds, in fact? gasoline and soda bottles with a lighter or a couple of jugs of common cleaning product mixed together are eactaully far more effective at brutalising small groups of people in enclosed spaces.... if people WANT to inflict severe damage to tother people adn have no concern for thei own future then we cannot stop them no matter how hard we try.....
suicide itself is even illegal in most places which absolutely lucicrous... it is really the most fundamnetla of human rights and is tied to the only real question that makes us differnt than the animals, i exist and i know it, therefore i can end that existence knowingly.. animals do not APPEAR to have this ability of self awareness... suicide is illegal because people don't like to face reality, it hurts to look into the abyss
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This admin wants to make bold moves. Go ahead, and see what happens the next mid terms. There are some Senate seats that will be up for grabs and you can bet they will bring up the new gun laws in the ads on tv.
"The political season never ends and the 2014 mid-term elections are next. There are 20 Democrats with seats for the taking and only 13 Republicans up for re-election. "
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i think people are afraid to be reposnisble Free Citizens. You know i raisu echickens as hobby right? well i build "tractors" for them- pens that are open on the bottom and have wheels to move them around to fresh grass cuz they like greens and they like the bugs in the grass.... i wathc them xcrape the bugs right of the baldes of grass all day long and then chow don on the tips of grass too... well i can open the pen door and leave it open and for the most part they won't try to escape. some will mosey on out and wander around but they want back in as soon as they get nervous.. they are called hickens for reason after all..
well they need their cages cuz if i have say two too many roosters? i will lock them OUT of the pen and within two days two roosters are gone... owls raccons whatever, i don't have to do anything to cull the flock if i don't feel like it just lock them out of thier jail cell... people are like that too... sure they refuse to see the bars, won;t admit that somebody has to protect them.. heck they even complain abut Obama killing terroists with drones (which i think is ggod thing) in other words chickens fill the owrld cash... they won't even admit they need you and me to own a gun in the house so the rest of them can rest easy knowing the criminals aren;t sure which of us has the guns... i hope they never get to find out why they need us to protect them, but if they do find out? it will be because they asked for it.
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here's a Childrens toy on Amazon, just a few of the reviews show how people feel about being protected form terrorists. I would like to look htese indiduals in the eye, and ask them how ready they are to be ailrifted then dropped into a thrid world country with a GPS map and sniper rifle and go do this job more surgically and then get theri butts to checkpoint dustoff and be picked up a week later....
sometines? ideology is just a figment. i wish is weren't, but when you eat meat? somebody has let the blood flow
"Whether your violating constitutional rights at home, or bombing children abroad, this toy's perfect for all clandestine missions! Double tap strike to triple your pleasure and casualties
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This guy is such an idiot. Chicago is amongst the strictest of gun laws. You have to listen to the audio on this page from Ed Schultz on the radio. He claims Chicago does not have the gun laws like NYC and that is why they have so much gun violence.
Ed Schultz: Gun laws apparently don’t even exist in Chicago
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he should go back and live with his probelms instead of coming here and trying make more: In 2000, he was the subject of an investigation after Suzy Jagger wrote a story in The Daily Telegraph revealing that he had bought £20,000 worth of shares in the computer company Viglen soon before the Mirror 's 'City Slickers' column tipped Viglen as a good buy.[14] Morgan was found by the Press Complaints Commission to have breached the Code of Conduct on financial journalism, but kept his job. The 'City Slickers' columnists, Anil Bhoyrul and James Hipwell, were both found to have committed further breaches of the Code, and were sacked before the inquiry. In 2004, further enquiry by the Department of Trade and Industry cleared Morgan from any charges.[15] On 7 December 2005 Bhoyrul and Hipwell were convicted of conspiracy to breach the Financial Services Act. During the trial it emerged that Morgan had bought £67,000 worth of Viglen shares, emptying his bank account and investing under his wife's name too.[16]
In 2002, the Mirror attempted to move mid-market, claiming to eschew the more trivial stories of show-business and gossip. Morgan rehired John Pilger, who had been sacked during Robert Maxwell's ownership of the Mirror titles.
Morgan was fired as Editor of the Daily Mirror on 14 May 2004 after authorising the newspaper's publication of photographs allegedly showing Iraqi prisoners being abused by British Army soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment.[17] Within days the photographs were shown to be crude fakes. Under the headline "SORRY.. WE WERE HOAXED", the Mirror responded that it had fallen victim to a "calculated and malicious hoax" and apologised for the publication of the photographs.[18][19]
In May 2005, in partnership with Matthew Freud, he gained ownership of Press Gazette, a media trade publication together with its 'cash cow' the British Press Awards, in a deal worth £1 million.[20][21] This ownership was cited as one of the reasons many major newspapers boycotted the 2006 awards.[22] Press Gazette entered administrative receivership toward the end of 2006,[23] before being sold to a trade buyer.
On 4 May 2006, Morgan launched First News, a weekly paper aimed at seven to fourteen-year-olds. Upon its launch Morgan claimed that the paper was to be "Britain's first national newspaper for children".[24][25] Morgan was editorial director at First News, responsible for bringing in celebrity involvement. He referred to the role as "editorial overlord and frontman".[26]
In 2007, Morgan was filmed falling off a Segway, breaking three ribs. Simon Cowell and others made much of Morgan's previous comment in 2003, in the Daily Mail, after former U.S. President George W. Bush fell off a Segway, that "You'd have to be an idiot to fall off, wouldn't you, Mr. President?"[27][28][29][30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Morgan
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Here is one of rays/pagans boys, I just can not understand why people kick and scream about how great Obama and his team are.
Eric Holder: Gun Owners Should 'Cower' in Shame Like Smokers
Holder said people should be ashamed to own guns, just the way that cigarette smokes now "cower outside of buildings" to smoke.
At the end of this clip, Holder says anti-gun ads should run every day, and we need to "really brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way."
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that's why they were letting weapons go to Mexico.
furhtermore, i really wan tto know why we were told the day of the Conn. shooting that the rifle was secured in shooters car. I watched all day long and they said he was found dead with a sig and a glock not the Ar-15- this is suspicous, how did the rifle get back into his car if he was alone?
somehting is wrong here.
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I saw that too glass, I caught it in the reporting...there were different stories going around and then nobody explained why in the following days.
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