petition to increase gun control? 100,000 signatures.
background checks to buy a new gun since '98? 140 MILLION. you will waste all of your political capital on this and lose your credibility. the country will suffer. don't do this, we have problems that CAN be fixed by working together. This issue is settled law, and the Cosntitution is clear. "shall not be infringed".
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i'm always amused at how conspiracy theorists get treated by the general public.
i first got into "conspiracy theory" in general as real youngster reading Chariots of the Gods. how does this relate? the govt "knows" soemthign about aliens they ain't telling us- right?
well, belief in Ancient Aliens goes against religious beliefs and against the Govenrment. the Governmnt (and the Churches at one time) wants to be the end-all be-all of power and if the aliens exist? they are more peowerfull than the mere mortals running hte govt, so "the governmnet" doesn't like the competition...
it's importatn to the people who want to rule that the people bieng ruled have no questions about their right to power and whether or not they really do have the power....
BTW? i do not belive "the government" is a single entity out to control all of our minds.
i know tho that people in the government struggle with each other for power and control over each other and the rest of us....
so tell me true, does this sound like conspiracy theory or conspiracy fact?
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 191 7, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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Senator Vows To Introduce New Assault Weapons Ban On The First Day Of Congress
By Aviva Shen on Dec 16, 2012 at 10:36 am
On MSNBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ Sunday morning, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) promised to introduce a new assault weapons ban on the first day of the new Congress, challenging President Obama to back the bill. Feinstein sponsored the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004, and has been working on a new ban since the Aurora movie theater shooting in July. Four shooting sprees later, Feinstein has vowed to introduce the legislation on the first day of the 113th Congress.
Feinstein’s assault weapons ban will force Obama to take a stance on gun control after many promises to address the issue. The senator told ‘Meet the Press’ host David Gregory that her ban would cover the sale and importation of assault weapons, certain kinds of bullets, big drums and extended magazines:
I can tell you that [Obama] is going to have a bill to lead on because it’s a first-day bill I’m going to introduce in the Senate and the same bill is going to be introduced in the House. A bill to ban assault weapons. It will ban the sale, the importation, and the possession — not retroactively but perspectively. And it will ban the same of big clips, drums, or strips of big bullets. So there will be a bill. We’ve been working on it now a year.
In the wake of the elementary school shooting in Newtown, CT on Friday that left 28 people dead, the majority of whom were children, Obama gave an emotional speech calling for lawmakers to put politics aside and “take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like these.” Gun control measures have wide support among Americans, including members of the National Rifle Association, the most powerful gun lobby in the world. The Newtown elementary school gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, primarily used a Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle.
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Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) also announced Monday that he will prepare a ban on high-capacity clips, which he first introduced after the Aurora movie theater shooting
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Glass, that last post is exactly correct. I hope to get some time to lay out another long rant about thia issue.... maybe tomorrow.
Newtown was a terrible incident.... and I will venture being perceived as an azzhole.... this while terrbile, is being exacerbated because of the age of the victims.... we all feel that evil gut wrenching twinge at the thought of a happy child forever silenced at the point of a gun.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died in service to our country to preserve our constitution.... and specifically our Bill Of Rights..... 2nd ammendment included..... people need to realize that it is the failsafe anmendment! I do not think it is by accident that the ammendments are numbered as they are... the first alliws u to organize intellectually.... the second to take action when its warranted.
Don't forget, the BOR was added to insure the public trust in our infant government after the Constitution was drafted... it was demanded by people that knew how corrupt and oppressive a government can become.
Even under these awful circumstances..... do not allow emotion or kneejerk legislation to change "we the people" to "we the government's b%*#$es."
A lot of you guys have served this country..... maybe list friends or family in service to thia country.... allowing rights to be hi-hacked or surrendered is a disservice to those that served to preserve an idea that is a hell of a lot more important than this tragedy.... and there is the azzhole.... but I will own that..... this ain't about being able to hunt.... it ain't about feelin powerful..... its about guaraunteeing thar even if its not our generation that has to do it, we preaerve the right of future generations to meet whatever challenges they face....that is precisely why its in the BOR.....
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Glass, when you talk to liberals and other various Democrats what do you expect when it comes to the 2nd amendment?
They dont really care about the constitution. To many of them it needs to be "changed", or done away with.
I know some libs that own guns and some conceal and carry. Its a shocking match yet pretty cool in the same way.
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alot of GOPs and conservatives don't care about the Constituion either cashcow- they have differnt constituencies that keep them in power, but it is staying in power that motivates most of them.
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Why wouldnt you want to stay in power? The perks of a career politician most of us will never even know about. Talk about pampered! Sure it is a lot of stress, but think about the contacts in your cell phone. OH, and insider trading is legal for you to do. Who cares about your congressional salary when you can make millions on stock trades on the kind of info they have.
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OK i got shared this article a littel while ago...
been trying to figure out if it's ahoax... Paragould is in Arkansas, not a place where you expect to be required to present your papers...
"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."
Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.
"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."
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seems to me like it has to be a hoax.... you know hw the internet is... people always stirring the pot... like several of the shooter conspiracies that are floating the net...
however if it's a hoax? i couldn't figure it yet. maybe Pagan can pop the balloon?
i will say this much cash, i expect fascism to come from the Far Right, like rayond said, i agree with him that far on that part.
the problem is that some well meaning leftie will pass the laws (for our own good) that will allow the corporate overlord fascist and politicians to take full control...
that's what China is becoming, a single political party that owns all of the industrial complex and hires 80% of all people employed, then collects taxes from them too.... not a pretty sight IMO... the nazi's called themselves Socialists and opposed the Commies in Russia.... yet Americans seem to equate socialism and communism
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like i said casshcow, the lefties will take awy the rights adn the ultra-rigth will jump all over us. I am still waiting for a "real" news outlet to pick this story up... However this atttitude is not uncommon in the South, the cops here have no problem stopping you and demanding ID :
Paragould, Arkansas Police to Check Everyone's ID in 2013
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Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.
According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.
At a town hall meeting, last Thursday, Mayor Mike Gaskill and Police Chief Todd Stovall endorsed a plan to send police in SWAT gear and carrying AR-15s into downtown Paragould starting in 2013, reports the Paragould Daily Press.
Chief Stovall told the Paragould Daily Press: "This fear is what's given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they're scared, we can do this. It allows us to do what we're fixing to do."
"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID. To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason."
"Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared…then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."
Mayor Gaskill added: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog, but they're going to have to prove it."
Chief Stovall explained how martial law will work under his Street Crimes Unit: “We will be asking for picture identification. We will be ascertaining where the subject lives and what they are doing in the area. We will be keeping a record of those we contact."
They may not be doing anything but walking their dog, but they're going to have to prove it.? that's the USSR and China dude.... guilty until proven innoconet?
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Ok, so here's anbother idea that i can't verify thru a reputable news outlet (and yes ray, i knew it was unlikley that morgan freemn had repsonded to the shooting that quickly, it was facebook cirulated thing... social media is highly unreliable..
Newser) – Would you feel safer sending your kids to school if the National Guard was outside? Well, that could be a possibility if Barbara Boxer has her way. The California senator has introduced a bill that would allow local governments to use the Guard to enhance school security, Politico reports. That could mean Guard troops literally standing outside school entrances, or it could mean putting them to work improving school infrastructure, or even helping police with desk work, so that more cops could guard schools.
The bill is modeled on legislation that allowed states to use the Guard to help with border security. She said some of the $640 billion spent on national defense should be used to protect schools—"Is it not part of the national defense to make sure our children are safe?" Meanwhile, some states are considering the idea of arming teachers.
this how it happens Rayray, the military does it for our own good at first, but ehn som e4 Star gets too many ideas.... and the next thing you know?the military is running everything...
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who knows where this thing will end. Or how it willend. It sure has stired the pot. And I feel it needed to be stired.
And the nra like norquist needs a good kick in the ass.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: who knows where this thing will end. Or how it willend. It sure has stired the pot. And I feel it needed to be stired.
And the nra like norquist needs a good kick in the ass.
so you're saying that somebody "needed to stir th epot" by going and killing some little kids to get peopel upset enough ban semiautomatic rifles? cuz that's what it sounds like you re saying...
the "looks" of the gun do not matter... the number of clips the guy has to carry does not matter. these are suicidal people bent on true unparallelled evil... they will resort to gasoline bombs, and driving their cars thru bus stops etc etc....
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your the one to lable it must be thinking about it
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The total ban on automatic weapons for all civilians in Norway sure protected them from Anders Breivik....
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You are right it did not protect them at all. And nothing will 100% but that does not mean you don't try
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I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything, I'm saying that passing more gun laws will NOT solve the problem. In addition, it's a direct violation of the Constitution.
There is an old expression:
"Locks keep the honest people out."
Same goes for gun laws. Pass all the laws you want, the only people who will obey those laws are people who care about following the law.
Someone who is hell bent on killing people, (GASP!), doesn't care about laws.
If you ban "Assault Rifles", murderers will use hand guns. If you ban "High Capacity" magazines, murderers will carry more magazines.
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your right about a criminal he will get what he needs somehow
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"Public debate subsequent to these events centered on gun-control laws, including public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom"
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: your right about a criminal he will get what he needs somehow
So you admit that establishing gun laws has not stopped criminals from getting guns or using them to commit violent crimes.
Then please explain to me how passing NEW gun laws will stop criminals from getting guns and using them in violent crimes.
Criminals DON'T get their guns legally ray, and no matter how many laws you and your idealistic cohorts pass...
CRIMINALS WILL STILL GET GUNS AND USE THEM TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES...
If you ban "assault rifles" criminals will continue to get and use "assault rifles"...If you ban large cap magazines, criminals will continue to get and use large cap magazines...
With just one sentence YOU have negated YOUR own reasons for establishing NEW gun laws...
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Buck the people that are shooting up schools are crazy people not criminals.criminals, who would for the most part not do such a deed. I know it sounds crazy in itself but for the most part it is true.
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So you admit that establishing gun laws has not stopped crazy people from getting guns or using them to commit violent crimes.
Then please explain to me how passing NEW gun laws will stop crazy people from getting guns and using them in violent crimes.
Crazy people DON'T get their guns legally ray, and no matter how many laws you and your idealistic cohorts pass...
CRAZY PEOPLE WILL STILL GET GUNS AND USE THEM TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES...
If you ban "assault rifles" crazy people will continue to get and use "assault rifles"...If you ban large cap magazines, crazy people will continue to get and use large cap magazines...
With just one sentence YOU have negated YOUR own reasons for establishing NEW gun laws...
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Again Buck I will state at this point in this exchange I have stated what will happen IMHO opinion.
I really feel with the next 10 years there will be a ban on military type guns. Because society will demand it and it will happen at the ballot box.
As for my personal guns I have hunting rifles and pistols 14 of them all very nice and at least half of them custom made or customized. I have no fear of them being taken away.
I feel that background checks are the key and even though it did not work security in all the schools trained and armed.
Will it stop it ,no, there are other deeper reasons in scoiety why this is happening. But it will be a beginning
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As for crazy people they most likley get one like lenza got his. From what I hear his mother had the fire arms secure. He broke into her secured place and got them.
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there's been alot of this going on in the last couple of years:
U.S. Army Soldier Arrested By Police For Asking Questions November 26th, 2012
Paul Joseph Watson: A U.S. Army serviceman was arrested by Georgia police for “obstruction of law enforcement” despite the fact that his crime amounted to nothing more than asking questions while filming cops during a traffic stop.
as tot eh sound laws that are being passed and people are being fined for? they are UnConstitutioanal too..
i hate the boom, i despise it, i don't want to be near it, and i don;t want to feel it.
but it's unConstitutioanl to pass laws that ban it without making a specific decibel level that people who like it can measure. You cannpt simply force people to not be heard.
i did research on what is reasoanable and what i snot, and pruchased a high fideltiy 350 watt with 2 ten inch subs (low-pass filter off)system for Jr- the cops are on him and i have had it right oustide the house and you can't hear anything, yet they behave as though he has a 1500 watt sonic boom machine.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: As for crazy people they most likley get one like lenza got his. From what I hear his mother had the fire arms secure. He broke into her secured place and got them.
Exactly Ray...Lanza got his guns ILLEGALLY...he DIDN'T go to a gun shop or a gun show and purchase them...he STOLE them
If his mother were still alive, then I am sure she would be charged for these murders as well, as she was NOT a responsible gun owner...
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Prohibition....worked well with alcohol, and marijuana, right?
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i hope every undercover cop, judge, DEA agent, district attorney prison guards-wardens and anybody else who's job requires special security considerations sues this paper into non-existnence.
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yeah, i trust the Govt. cuz it's just full of good, altruistic, honest and trustworthy people, heck they would never give a badge to liar would they? (cops are my fwiends)
Former New Orleans Cop Testifies He Helped Plant Gun, Fabricate Evidence In Katrina Danziger Bridge Shooting
NEW ORLEANS — A former police detective testified Monday that he participated in a plot to fabricate witnesses, falsify reports and plant a gun to make it seem police were justified in shooting unarmed residents on a New Orleans bridge after Hurricane Katrina.
Jeffrey Lehrmann, a government witness in the federal trial of five current or former officers, said he saw Sgt. Arthur "Archie" Kaufman retrieve a gun from his home several weeks after the deadly shootings on the Danziger Bridge. Kaufman later turned the gun in as evidence, claiming he found it under the bridge a day after the 2005 shootings that left two people dead and four others wounded.
Lehrmann said Kaufman instructed him to fill out paperwork that claimed the gun belonged to Lance Madison, whose mentally disabled brother, Ronald, was shot and killed on the bridge. Lance Madison was arrested on attempted murder charges and held for more than three weeks before a judge freed him.
Lehrmann said Kaufman, his supervisor, had grown concerned because the judge who freed Madison didn't believe Kaufman's testimony at the hearing.
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