quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I never thought borrowing from China to pay for a war with no exit strategy was a good idea. Rumsfeld seemed to just shrug his shoulders when asked what the strategy was.
but cash, right now? you are against raising taxes? yes or no will do.
you see the problem? we are at war, in war the rich pay and the poor fight. that's the rule, always has been always will be. there's no free ride.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I never thought borrowing from China to pay for a war with no exit strategy was a good idea. Rumsfeld seemed to just shrug his shoulders when asked what the strategy was.
but cash, right now? you are against raising taxes? yes or no will do.
you see the problem? we are at war, in war the rich pay and the poor fight. that's the rule, always has been always will be. there's no free ride.
I am not against the tax cuts expiring. It is all the other taxes that just come out of nowhere.
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well, i've got a problem with govt overspending too, but the problem we are facing right now is that we have sent all our jobs to China and they ain't never coming back...
we collected taxes from those jobs....
the ratioanle WAS that China has abillion potential customers...
WTF are we supposed to sell them tho? stock? LOL...
KFC, Pizza Hut and Happy Meals? LOL...
we are in this mess because Patriotism was put behind the Profit of the Few
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They wont come back, but we can produce new jobs. Obama wanting to shut down the gulf to all drilling isnt helping the thousands upon thousands of oil workers who depend on energy production that we need in this country.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: They wont come back, but we can produce new jobs. Obama wanting to shut down the gulf to all drilling isnt helping the thousands upon thousands of oil workers who depend on energy production that we need in this country.
Wrong yet again Cowpie! You gotta read more than the Repuke talking points. The temporary ban is only of deepwell drilling. Not "all" gulf drilling. Don't you get tired of being proven wrong sooooo many times on a daily basis?
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Deep well drilling is where they are all moving to. YOU are wrong. Brazil is the new hot spot, and a lot of companies are going onshore now. Its just a mess down there. There are numerous in this administration who are calling for a permanent ban.
You have not proven me wrong. I love how you and others try to give yourself knock up credits on me, when really you just blast weak thoughts. More just smearing. Thats all you can expect from libs anyway. Smears, foul language, and deceit.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Deep well drilling is where they are all moving to. YOU are wrong. Brazil is the new hot spot, and a lot of companies are going onshore now. Its just a mess down there. There are numerous in this administration who are calling for a permanent ban.
You have not proven me wrong. I love how you and others try to give yourself knock up credits on me, when really you just blast weak thoughts. More just smearing. Thats all you can expect from libs anyway. Smears, foul language, and deceit.
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International rig count, which excludes the US and Canada, increased 9 to 1,099 for the month of June 2010 and is 132 rigs (13.7%) above last year's 967.
The total number of rotary rigs worldwide in June was 2,869 up 109 from May and is 872 higher than last year.
that means we actually increased MORE than the rest of the world-
more Fox news LIES! they never friggin stop and it's just sad that peopl beleive them.
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"Brazil is plowing ahead with a $220 billion five-year plan to tap oil fields even deeper than BP’s (BP.L) ill-fated Gulf well,"
"Since operators are shutting down at least temporarily in the U.S. Gulf, some companies are planning to move their rigs to Brazil now,” he said, without offering details."
"With an estimated 35 rigs idled in the Gulf of Mexico, Brazil is already receiving inquiries from companies looking to move their rigs here, where vast discoveries in recent years may soon turn the country into a major crude exporter."
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: International rig count, which excludes the US and Canada, increased 9 to 1,099 for the month of June 2010 and is 132 rigs (13.7%) above last year's 967.
The total number of rotary rigs worldwide in June was 2,869 up 109 from May and is 872 higher than last year.
that means we actually increased MORE than the rest of the world-
more Fox news LIES! they never friggin stop and it's just sad that peopl beleive them.
Where are the rigs being manufactured and then exported to?
BTW where was a Fox News link posted with the figures being discussed in the thread?
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Where are the rigs being manufactured and then exported to?
cash. our rig count in north america has risen by 100 while the whole rest of the world number has risen 9 in the month of June.
when are you going to stop beleiving everything they tell you?
i don't share stock picks anymore cuz it's a magnet for the crooks, but i know how to find out what i need to know to make good investments and i'll still share that..
Baker Hughes makes drill bits for oil and nat gas that's why i know who's drilling and who isn't... we are still drilling hard.
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i could literally sit here all day and shoot down 90% of what i hear on Fox lairs Channel, and i'm not talking about opinions i'm talking about verifiable facts that are not even hard to find. It would be a full time job.
Obama is not superman, he's not transparent enough, he's still ten times better then Dubya was on his best day. the GOP has NO-ONE to put agianst him right now and i hope the GOP wins the Senate and the House this fall, but they won't. They might get close on the House, but the Seante? they will be doing very well to gain 5 seats...
it is the GOP's fault adn no-one elses that they lost control of the Govt... they did it to themselves and they'll do it again when they finally do get it back cuz that's just the way the world works..
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It IS sad that the GOP is not capitalizing on this opportunity to put a fresh face out there. I really do not like Michael Steele. The guy is a joke. He is the token black guy they chose to counter Obama to claim diversity. 2008 was just a disaster, the GOP candidates, coming from the Bush era. Obama had it handed to him on a silver platter.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Where are the rigs being manufactured and then exported to?
cash. our rig count in north america has risen by 100 while the whole rest of the world number has risen 9 in the month of June.
when are you going to stop beleiving everything they tell you?
i don't share stock picks anymore cuz it's a magnet for the crooks, but i know how to find out what i need to know to make good investments and i'll still share that..
Baker Hughes makes drill bits for oil and nat gas that's why i know who's drilling and who isn't... we are still drilling hard.
"when are you going to stop beleiving everything they tell you?"
What WHO tells me Glass? I havent disputed your findings, and I never claimed a source. So what are you talking about?
Now if you want to talk about the international and U.S. rotary rig count, I actually have July 2010 World Oil mag in front of me with as in depth data as you need. So instead of assuming I am watching Fox News all the time, some of you might consider the fact that I read books and publications!
P.S. Pretty soon we are going to have to drill for arctic oil.
PPS, for the record I am pretty sure Glass watches Glenn Beck more than me, because I cant watch him. I cant watch the kooks on MSNBC either. I think you watch more Fox News than I do! I watch more of the Science and History channel in HD.
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33 rigs are affected by the moratorium imposed by Obama. On those rigs 8000 workers are employed. (That number includes the chefs, laundry workers, and other subsidiary services that work on the rigs themselves. It does not count suppliers or ship captains who ferry men or supplies.)
BP has set up a 100 Million dollar fund to support workers directly related to the rigs that are under the moratorium. This does not replace the full salary that the workers were receiving but will be awarded according to need on an individual basis to support these families during the 6 months of the moratorium which ends November 28th.
The moratorium on approving new leases for deep water drilling extends into 2012.
If your magazine doesn't jive with those numbers CCM then toss the mag. A ten minute fact check over the internet was all I needed to get multiple sources for everything above.
Oh...and the Obama vacation rap you like to post about. That 89 day count or whatever it is now...the people who published that number are counting all Saturdays and Sundays in that total. Do you consider weekends vacation days? I don't.
According to factcheck.org in his 1st year as President Obama took 26 vacation days. George W Bush had 69 days of vacation in his first year. Clinton had 21 days George Sr. had 40 Reagan had 42 Carter had 19
For all of the above it is noted that some of these days were half days out of the White House or days spent touring part business part pleasure.
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What WHO tells me Glass? I havent disputed your findings, and I never claimed a source. So what are you talking about?
actually i have a TV in my shop and i leave it on CNN, CNBC or FOX at random... it runs from 6am to almost midnight most days
i gave up on MSNBC sometime during the alast election campaign for the very reason you suggest. they are in love with Obama.
why do i leave it on Fox? because everywhere i go in public, my bank, the barber the gas stations the tire store, you name it? Fox news is on here.
i like to get my news all over. and Fox news says that Obamas moratorium is costing a hundred thousand jobs over and over again all the time.
Whereever you get your news from? They agree with Fox. I may actaully watch (or more correctly listen) to them more than you do.
But i am very serious that i hear more lies there than i did when i was in the Navy, and i heard alot of lies there.
Rupert has his tenatcles all over the place and i find it disconcerting how his media outlelts all say the same stuff over and again and actually use each othr as sources to sound like there's even more people agreeing with him.
so who told you this:
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: They wont come back, but we can produce new jobs. Obama wanting to shut down the gulf to all drilling isnt helping the thousands upon thousands of oil workers who depend on energy production that we need in this country.
that is exaclty what i hear people on Fox lairs channel say over and over and over again all day every day, and it just isn't true..
word for word they say Obama shut down all the gulf drilling, and it's just not true.
i even hear them say it's costing 100,000 jobs....
Fox news is nothing more than a propaganda network and the brother of the Prince of Saudi Arabia that Bush sent to China to negotiate secretly for the release of the 24 service members on the spy plane? he own 7% of Fox News parent organisation now second only to the Murdch family holdings...
wonder why Fox might be so oil friendly? they were surely Bush friendly.. for the same reasons
i know we'll need oil till it's all gone, i don't hate it, what i hate is how we are so dependant on a sole source of energy... that needs to end
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I'd go one further in suggesting all broadcast news are state sponsored lie factories. I can't remember the last time I actually watched one of them..
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One of the reasons I love the internet. A little work provides a lot of information and a little more work you can sift a lot of the spin out of information.
Of course, everyone will interpret based on their own perspective which creates its own spin but it is better than only being able to rely on two or three outlets to get your info.
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Yeah, exactly. Having so many web resources for news truly makes it possible to see how worthless TV news is.
Instead of listening to some script reader tell me about the horrible people in Iran I can simply talk to them myself.. I can have a conversation with anyone and experience perspectives that have changed mine.
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yeah but you have to have a working point of reference to find out what you want to find out about hence you watcht he stuffed shirts with their hors d'oeuvre trays
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Oh I dunno.. I start with Drudge then go from there to all my various news sites. I get news alerts from ABC emailed to my phone in case something big happens.. Just can't find a use for TV news anymore.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Oh I dunno.. I start with Drudge then go from there to all my various news sites. I get news alerts from ABC emailed to my phone in case something big happens.. Just can't find a use for TV news anymore.
When was the last time (most recent) you changed your mind?
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During the oil spill.. Go back and look at my posts at the start of the spill.. I was fairly sure the spill was a nothing event.. A month or so in I was really reading alot about it.. the chemicals being used.. I changed my mind in that the near term effects would be far worse than I initially thought.
Still kind of pondering the event..
I know the long term effects will be nothing.. The Earth will be fine.. But the effects on our food supply is what I'm debating internally.
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I changed my mind about 9/11.. You'd have to go back a ways but I at one time was quite the party line Rushbot... After exposing myself to the information on the net I really became quite the opposite of what I was, politically. Due in large part to this board oddly enough. Arguing with Glass, Bdgee and all the rest has changed my perception massively. I don't ever feel as though I'm arguing with anyone as much as I only ever feel I am challenging my perception by bouncing it off of those who think I'm arguing with them.
rather perplexing way of learning yes I know.. but how else can one be sure?
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I don't doubt my ability to argue.. look at poor Moo Moo.
I do however doubt my perception.
If I put my opinion out there and argue with clearly stated logic and I feel that I lose.. then it is my perception that is flawed... I then re-examine my perception to the point that I can present it to my combatants and prevail.
I then move on to my next defeat/lesson.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: I don't doubt my ability to argue.. look at poor Moo Moo.
I do however doubt my perception.
If I put my opinion out there and argue with clearly stated logic and I feel that I lose.. then it is my perception that is flawed... I then re-examine my perception to the point that I can present it to my combatants and prevail.
I then move on to my next defeat/lesson.
I dont doubt your ability to argue either, but your ability to debate in a professional and sound manner without personal attacks is another story. You would be a great guest on Keith Olberman!
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I am quite civilized in my approach. I made references that were aggressive enough to maybe spur you into answering the question I was asking. A question you have still avoided. A question aimed at proving the republican party and the conservative movement is based on the exact same principles as the democratic party.
More government controlling everything.
It is an undeniable premise.
Were you to answer the question, you would see that.
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I answer the staged questions, I just dont give the staging answers you want me to post so you can drag it out further.
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