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CashCowMoo
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I am not sure I understand your point in that post relentless

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Sorry, I forgot to type slower for you.

The point is that you as a professed conservative should be first in line to declare any legislation that proclaims dominion over the unions of people a miss use of government and expressly forbidden by the constitution via its absence from it.

Sorry again for my departure from the literal I'm so known for.

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Sorry, I forgot to type slower for you.

The point is that you as a professed conservative should be first in line to declare any legislation that proclaims dominion over the unions of people a miss use of government and expressly forbidden by the constitution via its absence from it.

Sorry again for my departure from the literal I'm so known for.

How did I know you would respond with a attempted self assertive "let me type slower for you".

Look, you didnt type too fast, the post I was responding to was garbling. Here is your post:


That's right moo moo, if free people are allowed to make decisions about who they wish to marry? The next day you'll have fish banging koala bears in the streets!

Just remarkable that the conservatives are the ones rallying behind this.

"Less government is better government!!!! Except for queers.. Gubbment the **** out of them!!!"

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Classic. So, I didnt know I was a self proclaimed conservative. Do I lean that way? Yeah, we all know that. We know who here likes big government, taxes, and a Woodstock lifestyle, and we know who does not like newer taxes, intrusive government, and so forth.

I find it bothersome that because I have expressed opposition to numerous Obama administration policies you seem to be able to automatically forecase what my view on new issues are without even discussing them with me! I am against messing with the constitution.


I am critical of any politician who does wrong. Even if they are an Independent, Libertarian, Republican, whatever. However, on here very very few posters will question Obama. There is a big "toe the line" following of him. His support base is shrinking. Face it, the only support he has long term are from blacks, and far left liberals. Before you go pulling the race card out because I said "black" do your DD. There are countless interviews online before the Presidential election with people voting for Obama not on the issues, but just because he is black. He is mixed by the way, 50-50 so I dont see how he is truly the first BLACK President. The proper way to put it is that he is America's most diverse President to date. It is a good sign because diversity can always bring good things.

I know the big right wing conspiracy is out to get everyone! BOO! BTW, how many vacations have the Obamas taken in the past few months? This guy golfs and takes more time off than Bush ever did from what I remember.

If gays want to be together so what. Give them civil union and give them equal services like hospital visits and tax them equally like they do married couples. Marriage has been man and woman since how long now? Just because in 2010 a small group wants it different then everyone else has to change to their needs?

I will say some flamboyant gay divorce court shows would be hilarious.

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If gays want to be together so what. Give them civil union and give them equal services like hospital visits and tax them equally like they do married couples. Marriage has been man and woman since how long now? Just because in 2010 a small group wants it different then everyone else has to change to their needs?


i beleived that was fair for along time too cash, but it didn't happen... in fact? the Gubment got worse on civli unions

the feds refused to recognise them due to the Defense of Marriage act...

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That is my point, in that the will of the people can't matter when it is blatantly discriminatory.


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Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
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We've been through this one several times, Glass. I doubt either of us has anything new to add. Unless Metal wants it, I won't even bother linking the most recent thread where we covered it.

My point of this thread was less a statement on the specific issue and more on the fact that the 'will of the people' seems to have less and less of an impact on what our rulers do.


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I think you will be surprised at the composition of his support base come 2012 CCM. Pay attention to the demographics when that time comes.

Christianity nay even Judaism did not coin the term marriage. It's root dwells in the Latin marītāre of ancient pantheistic and cultist Roman culture (509BC ish). The earliest recorded description of a marriage like 'contract' comes from Mesopotamia's Codex Hammurabi some 1200 years before that.

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Hell, let'm marry. Queers have the right to be miserable just like everyone else.........and maybe then they will shut up.

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Anyone see these constant vacations and lavish lifestyles hypocritical of this administration?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1300852/Spanish-police-close-p ublic-beach-Michelle-Obamas-250k-Spanish-holiday.html

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no..do you?...with the bs this ad has to deal with on a daily basis?...stress relief is a must!...and Im sure his mind constantly working no matter where he is..

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Anyone see these constant vacations and lavish lifestyles hypocritical of this administration?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1300852/Spanish-police-close-p ublic-beach-Michelle-Obamas-250k-Spanish-holiday.html

Oh please...your just mad because Obama doesn't kiss and hold hands with the Saudi leader like Bush did at the dirt farm in Crawford. Get over it.

And hell, as far as George SR, the Whitehouse might as well have been in Kennebunkport!

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Anyone see these constant vacations and lavish lifestyles hypocritical of this administration?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1300852/Spanish-police-close-p ublic-beach-Michelle-Obamas-250k-Spanish-holiday.html

How does that in any way relate to the current topic?
ooohhh that's right you're on the losing side and trying to distance yourself.
Jeeze used to be the weakness of the other side to change the subject and run.

So, back on topic. How can a smaller government is better government conservative believe it is within government's mandate to decide who does or does not get married???

Any bets on if an answer is even offered?

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well if my neighbor was married to a flock of hens? i'd be pretty pissed....
horses? i prolly wouldn't care [Big Grin]

as long as it isn't food [Wink]

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We've discussed this. In MS as long as each of the hens has a proper name then yes it is perfectly fine. A proper name consists of letters only.. noo numbers.. I know this will present somewhat of a challenge, but for the right flock I hear it is well worth it.
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i hear that over in Arkansas they can even have numbers

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:

So, back on topic. How can a smaller government is better government conservative believe it is within government's mandate to decide who does or does not get married???

Any bets on if an answer is even offered?

Can any 'smaller government is better government conservative' take that one on or just Cash? Lol

Besides the 'nuclear family' arguements I've listed, my beef is a little historical. The Feds literally told the Mormons that they had to abandon a religious belief and accept marriage as only one man/one woman.

It's all good to be selective in religious freedom but not impose on sexual preference?

A little consistency would be nice.

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Seems a flawed stance that is more aimed at appeasing an emotional symptom rather than following through on one's conservative political beliefs.

The core of conservatism (or liberalism for that matter) is the belief that government should be severely limited and the liberty of humans should be first and foremost in all endeavours.

Explain to me again how that belief leads one to believe government needs to be in charge of who marries who?

This of course will be known as try two.

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The Feds literally told the Mormons that they had to abandon a religious belief and accept marriage as only one man/one woman.


it went to Territorial Supreme Court... but as we have seen the court doesn't always get it right...


it was the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act of 1862 that made it illegal in the US Territory of Utah. We still had slavery then as well [Roll Eyes] ...

i'm going to build me a big henhouse for all my future wives when SCOTUS rules this is a discriminatory practice

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So nobody wants to acknowledge Michelle Obamas obesity campaign, while she goes to spain to spend hundreds of thousands on a vacation and eat ice cream? Oh but cash but cash George Bush cash George Bush!!!!! GB this !! GB that!!! The saudis and Bush!


We are talking about mr reach across the isle now, mr change, mr hope, mr im brining a new mindset to washington. bunch of crap, the whole admin! mr we all have to do out part, each and every citizen.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
So nobody wants to acknowledge Michelle Obamas obesity campaign, while she goes to spain to spend hundreds of thousands on a vacation and eat ice cream? Oh but cash but cash George Bush cash George Bush!!!!! GB this !! GB that!!! The saudis and Bush!


We are talking about mr reach across the isle now, mr change, mr hope, mr im brining a new mindset to washington. bunch of crap, the whole admin! mr we all have to do out part, each and every citizen.

We can easily conclude that this response is the action of an automated AI program. Clearly the programmers have created a program to portray the average "conservative" as the dumbest mother ****er alive. Surely they have succeeded.
It's actually pretty easy to create a program to replicate brilliance.. It takes true ingenuity to recreate slug like simplicity... You can teach a program to spell correctly with ease.. But to teach one to asymmetrically spell as a human would if drunk?... Wow.. Well done!
Congrats moo moo.. you have succeeded in convincing us that you are not just dumb but the creation of a thousand minds focusing on what would be the epitome of dumb..
Again, job well done.

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oh.. just an after thought here.. but any thoughts at all on the question you were asked?
Anything?
quote:
So, back on topic. How can a smaller government is better government conservative believe it is within government's mandate to decide who does or does not get married???
Just whack away at the buttony thing (Keyboard).. really we'll accept anything at this point.. your public awaits.
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relentless, what do you think the next historic moment this administration will do?


You know what, you can call me dumb, uneducated, whatever. The reality is that your ideology is going out the door this November. Liberals are going to take a beating, and all the minions and sheeple (yourself) of Nancy, Obama, et all are raging. They are slandering, smearing, and demonizing anyone who believes in Christ, pro-life, tax cuts, and does not think that government forcing the people to buy something is legal. Keith Olberman makes fun of Christians all the time, and that is just one of the MANY things that he does to show how weak he is. So, call me all the names you want. I will be laughing all the way to the polls. I wonder how many stimulus lies you have bought into. BTW, is it me or do hardly any Democrats want Obama helping them this fall? Even Europe and China are telling Obama to stop spending! lmao. Oh I forgot, this is all GWB fault. Liberals act worse than children when things dont go their way lol.


Oh yes the question I was asked.

"So, back on topic. How can a smaller government is better government conservative believe it is within government's mandate to decide who does or does not get married???"


Ok, do you want to try to make sense next time you ask a question? Your grammar is terrible.

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I can be now called unimaginative, because we will now call this attempt three.


I do apolagise to all the folks out there lurking for my unusual lack of flair in naming my assaults upon the politically entrenched... but I am simply out of resources.

Moo Moo.. for the love of lactating mice can you please attempt to create the illusion that you might at some point answer the ****ing question.

We have recently seen you declare that you do not understand the question (Please press 1 if you would like the question displayed in Spanish). Would you like a chance to phone a friend?
Perhaps I could display the answer in multiple choice?

You tell me how I can make this voyage from "uncomfortable that Rush won't answer for you" to "AHA I HAVE THE ANSWER". Help me help you Moo Moo.

Like a cat on a leash I see you shreaking... Just answer the ****ing question..


How can a conservative believe government can dictate who marries?

Come on tid bit...

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It sure takes a lot out of you to ask a question. Instead of just posting:

"How can a conservative believe government can dictate who marries?"


I didnt know the will of the people could be thrown down by a gay judge. The voters have spoken, and once again a small minority group has to weasel their agenda to the majority.


So, I see what you are trying to stab at. Trying to pin "the conservative" on a limited government issue. My goodness so much alarm from you over something so amature.

Instead of trying to push views onto me that I might not be for, and then hailing it as some kind of victory on your argument why dont you get more detailed than some wimpy question.

Throw me something not so irrational next time. I smell "right wing paranoia" all over you.

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I feel almost belittled by declaring this the fourth try.. I should be capable of a more colorful decoration.. I am.. ashamed.

You do know this is a republic?

Press 1 for english

Press ;KLdfga;lskhdgao for retard

Baby did they tease you with the oxygen?... Hold it just out of reach when you were a pup?

Conservatives believe in a severely limited government with a mandate strictly declared by the constitution.

Do please show us all where it is stated in the constitution where government of any form can decide who marries who.

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You are just being weird and annoying now relentless. You are acting like a child. Grow up.

It does NOT say in the constitution that the government can decide who can marry who, so why are you defending government action to dictate who can marry who? You dont even know what you are trying to explain.

By the way, I bet you are in strong support for building a mosque at ground zero. Im not saying it is illegal, but it is extremely insensitive and quite frankly highly disturbing.

Now, how many gay marriages do you think will happen in mosques in America? 0! So much for a tolerant religion.

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It does NOT say in the constitution that the government can decide who can marry who, so why are you defending government action to dictate who can marry who? You dont even know what you are trying to explain.

Bingo

When in doubt adopt the position of your victor.. You could easily be Mayan... or Aztec I guess.

You will follow me now.

I lead you follow.

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So is all this fuss because you have been waiting to marry another man? Is that why you are so defensive about this?

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Just admit you know nothing and we can go from there.. attempting to best me.. as everyone can see... you can't do.

You are not a conservative.. you are not a thinker..
you are not capable in any manner.

You follow...

You will never lead.

Simple logic...

Simple..

Conservatism that you adore is nothing but a tool to entrap you in the lies of your masters...

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You are just straight up strange relentless. I am not some uber conservative like you attempt to brand me with. I have lead in numerous positions in the past, current, and will in the future. Business beyond your capabilities, trust me on that. I come here to let loose, have fun, and watch you get all worked up because I point out poor judgement in your leader that YOU follow.

Now, I am not going to argue with you. It is pointless. You talk about facts but dont produce any. So what if I believe capitalism is the best system. Better than any others. That makes me the bad guy huh? Arguing with you is no different that arguing with a muslim about how good pork is, or a strict mormon on how good drinking whiskey is. You are a zealot that mocks others in general. How old are you? Please tell me you are not in your 60s with a pony tail still. You know, the kind that wants to "stick it to the man" still trying to relive woodstock.


I know I am not going to change your mind. Hopefully, you realize you can not change mine. I look at Obama and see the same ol crap as anything else. What is so sickening is how he put himself on a platter of golden fleece. Promised 5 day public discussion for every bill on his desk, and live CSPAN debates on them. Lie after lie after lie. All I get from people around here is George Bush this, and George Bush that. Instead of running on any accomplishments, approval ratings, or anything good, we see a party running on George Bush. A has been. Nobody sees a problem with that around here. This board is about 90% liberal I would estimate. You know, a lot of you dont like my posts because they go against Obama, and liberalism. However, I dont post the cesspool comments that a lot of you do who disagree with me. Complete foolishness. Just look at the responses relentless has been posting in the threads. Jordan and Pagan can get pretty low themselves too at times.

So, relentless, although I cant change your mind. You can hopefully comprehend watching the election results this fall. So when you take catastrophic losses, what will you cry then? People are sick of runaway spending as the solution to our economic problems. They are sick of an administration going against the will of the people. Sick of turning a blind eye to immigration for votes. Sick of new tax after new tax. One after the other, every month there is some new tax on the table. Sick of Robert Gibbs playing spin doctor, and then flat out refusing to answer certain questions.

The list goes on, and we havent even hit his halfway point. You are a bitter old man, and that is what I get from you. Bitter that your best days are behind you, and now you feel it necessary to slam someone with an opposing view. How on earth can someone in their 50s or higher not be concerned with this administration? Maybe because they wont have to pay off the debt, and their care is on MY shoulders. Yes people, I do know Repulicans make mistakes. Some of you refuse to acknowledge my statements that are critical of Republicans. Why? Because you want to categorize me deeper than what should be. Im sorry if I dont see taxes as tithes, and wallow in self hatred. Your ideology is based on a belief not reality. If you showed me some intellectual honesty it would be shocking!


Who wants to make a bet, that the American people will come out this November and vote in a way that sends signals to the Obama administration that they are sick of a small minority group of leftists trying to impose their ideas on the majority? Who thinks Democrats are going to sweep this fall?


Can anyone here produce any evidence that the foreclosure crisis was GB fault? Anyone?

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Really not trying to change your mind.. Just asking one friggen question.. One question that you have attempted to avoid in such a frantic manner that you remind me of a cat mid air over a swiming pool.

Just answer the ****ing question.

How is it possible for a smaller government is better government conservative to believe that government has the authority to decide who marries who?

Good god chuckles... Is it truly that much of an assault on your system to know you can't answer the question such that you'd have to play the part of a scared head slapping autistic girl?

It all goes away sweetie.. Just answer the question.
Stop telling me you are a conservative and just answer the question.
It's ok... Daddy's got you.

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fatcow has no firm convictions...he is still trying to find himself. ..and thats,,,ok. we all struggle with our identity ..some longer than others. He still fancies himself as some kind of stud,for gods sake. Just a little boy trying to play with the adults.

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Really not trying to change your mind.. Just asking one friggen question.. One question that you have attempted to avoid in such a frantic manner that you remind me of a cat mid air over a swiming pool.

Just answer the ****ing question.

How is it possible for a smaller government is better government conservative to believe that government has the authority to decide who marries who?

Good god chuckles... Is it truly that much of an assault on your system to know you can't answer the question such that you'd have to play the part of a scared head slapping autistic girl?

It all goes away sweetie.. Just answer the question.
Stop telling me you are a conservative and just answer the question.
It's ok... Daddy's got you.

Again, you are being weird. I am not against a government system. Taxes, infrastructure, defense, commercem and regulation are all important. It is when government becomes overbearing and forces you to do things such as pay a heavy penalty for not buying healthcare. 16,000 new IRS agents? You really think we need 16,000 more IRS agents? The faith you put into other people to responsibly handle your money is amazing.


Jordan, just because you might be older than me does not give you any entitlement. I know there is a lot of that around here, especially with libs. For all I know you could beat up on women when you have had a few too many, cheat on your taxes, and be infested with STDs. You know? Nobody really knows anyone here. I have seen many "grown" 50 year old mean act more juvenile than a 15 year old. Key example of this would be relentlesses juvenile posts in this thread. No wonder this board doesnt have that many posters anymore.

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So, I didnt know I was a self proclaimed conservative.

that's funny... everybody else does know that cash...

why do you deny it if Bush's legacy is so darn trivial?

isn't that really the point here?

i voted for the man, and about the time he told Sadam he "had to geto ut of town before sundown" i was gettin' concerned...

not because he was conservative, but because i'd never heard that sort of talk out of a President before except once, and that when his daddy ILLEGALLY invaded Panama to capture Noriega...

Conservaitism had anew face cash, they called it Neo-Conservatism and it looks fascist to me....

so, you can deny all you want, i am conservative but i am no longer a Conservative cuz they changed and i did not...

people were trying to tell me who volunteered to go fight while we had hostages in Iran that i was an anti-war hippie or something... nothing could be further from the truth. I'vbe been looking for a good fight all my life... the emphasis being on the GOOD.

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as to this thread? the will of the people is being followed.

the Constitution expresses the long-term will of the people, polls express the short-term.

the dems came up with the "gun-ban" such as it was with it's sunset clause. the Dems lost ehir hold on Congress cuz of it. the sunset expired.

Bush's tax cuts had a similar sunset clause they should expire.

It's hilarious that people who had no problem borrowing from China to invade a couple of countries are suddnely concenred about debt.

don't get me wrong, i was concerned about the debt befor ethe economy collapsed.

but not spending what the Dems have spent would mean that China would actually own our country much more than they do now. That's not speckelashun, that's their plan. They have been held off temporarily and if we do not raise taxes AND cut spending BOTH, their plan will just continue on.....
The state of China has 2.3 trillion in cahs assets at last count. The total cash reserves of US businesses are only about 2.75 trillion at last count. The US Govt debt is 10 trillion or so, and beleive me the last 2 trillion the Dems "spent" means jackchit in terms of the Chines to US issue. The Chinese commies are beating our Capitalistic azzes and the Liberals and the Conservatives want to fight about who gets married? shhheh, this country is folding.


Under Capitalism, everything is for sale.

The Capitalists' greatest value is profit. All other values are secondary and dispensable as long as the first value is obtained. Any social reality is acceptable as long that first value is materialized.

That is why they will sell the undertakers of capitalism the rope, and be too busy counting their profits to see the noose tied.


get it? our country is being sold piecemeal by Conservatives and Liberals BOTH and they all stink.

there is no Patriotism in our leadership where profit is concerned.

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I never thought borrowing from China to pay for a war with no exit strategy was a good idea. Rumsfeld seemed to just shrug his shoulders when asked what the strategy was.

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