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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/europe/25britain.html?_r=2&hp


"But its aim is clear: to shift control of England’s $160 billion annual health budget from a centralized bureaucracy to doctors at the local level."

"The health secretary, Andrew Lansley, also promised to put more power in the hands of patients."


"far too many bureaucratic hurdles to leap"

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Interesting

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quote:
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Interesting

Sounds like they are sick of how big government handles healthcare at the local level. This should have been a no brainer a long time ago. What is really messed up is we are now going to go through the same process. Obama care will kick in and over time people are going to see quality go down. Already, there is a new trend. Students who planned on med school are now going into law school. Now if you want to be a nurse, or something like that then this health care bill might help you. It seems to me if you want to be a highly skilled doctor in a private practice, your incentive to be the best might be going away quicker than they think.
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um....quality of care in Britain is good. Top twenty in the WHO rankings and in other rankings competes with the Netherlands for first place in industrialized nations healthcare systems.

Secondly, Britain's healthcare is a true single-payer system. i.e. Citizens pay taxes and gov controls everything after that. US would never shift that far to the left as to allow such a system.

Thirdly, Britain isn't getting rid of universal health care. They have been trying for a while now to cut the bureaucracy out of universal healthcare to cut costs; first with geographically based Strategic Health Authorities, then NHS primary care and hospital trusts, and more recently NHS foundation trusts. This new idea of the coalition government is to further reduce the bureaucracy of the system by pushing decision-making even further away from the centralized government past the geographically based health authorities down to the doctors themselves.

A few things worth noting:
1) UK would still have a single payer universal healthcare system.
2) The maximum out of pocket cost for any drug in the NHS system would still be $12. (Most drugs are free)
3) The aim of this possible move is an attempt to shave $30 Billion from costs without affecting quality of care.
4) UK system already costs less than 50% of what America's current healthcare system costs per person. UK citizens have longer life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates, and
fewer deaths related to surgical or medical mishaps than Americans.

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quote:
Top twenty in the WHO rankings ...
SF HATES WHO RATINGS!!!!

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US would never shift that far to the left as to allow such a system.
Not according to Reid at the Vegas meet and greet this week...

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A few things worth noting:.....
5)Heaven help you if you need\want a non-critical (as decided by political appointees) surgery....months of waiting await you...

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I know you hate WHO rankings. Why do you think I keep bringing them up? [Smile] JK If you have another ranking system you'd prefer more than the World Health Organization let me know.

Party line talk and what can actually happen in America are two different things SF you know that. Ask for a slice of pie and maybe you get a slice of pie. Ask for the whole pie and maybe you get two slices.

Better to be on a waiting list than not treated at all or have to choose between forgoing treatment or bankrupting your family and losing everything. Indeed, that is the entire reason behind the idea of private insurance coinciding with universal care. Those that can't afford still get access to quality treatment but might end up on a list and those for those that can afford to pay for supplement insurance can skip the list. Everybody wins and it shouldn't cost more (should cost less) than what we spend on healthcare right now.

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yeah, heaven help you if an accountant (working for a bonus profit and cannot be "voted out") decides your treatment is too expensive or unnecessecary or too experimental and cuts your policy entirely... it happens alot.

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Barrack Obama: "The Health Care Package will pay for itself"

Does anyone REALLY believe that? I mean cmon.

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I grew up under Canada's health care system.. I just don't remember waiting?
Maybe things have changed since I moved back to the states?
I remember my little brother's appendix exploding and rushing to the hospital.. They fixed it.. no wait.

I remember all too vividly breaking my elbow... They fixed it.

I broke my ankle.. They fixed it. No wait.

Step father had a heart attack.. Had a bypass.. Think it was a scheduled operation but an unGodly wait?.. nope.. worthless ***** is still kicking.

I suppose the question is who would be the more logical choice to provide health care?

Can it honestly be multinational corporations concerned about only profit?

Just not a chance that conclusion leads to honesty and any sort of caring.

The problem we have is our government is a corporation.. Just check any legislation.. They call themselves a corporation..

Yup

We're *******

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wow relentless, that's the most common sense i've seen in one post for quite awhile....

the idea that private businesses motivated by profit are going to take care of all problems is one of the looniest concepts ever, yet i can hear it preached 24/7 on TV anytime i'm in need of few laughs.....

oh, and BTW if your doctor practices bad medicine we should take your away your Constitutional right to sue him/her too [Smile] yeah that makes sense

take a position against that idea? someone yells socialist... that would be funny if the Commies in China weren't kicking the worlds azz economically... their health care is almost non-existant. they have no financial plan for helath care there at all.... the Soviets? health care was joke. doctors and nurses were considered the lowest forms of life on the economic food chain there....

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The funny part about that is the very nut jobs calling you a socialist don't understand that corporate insurance is the EXACT SAME MODEL as state supplied health care. There is no difference in any respect to the model. Bunch of people pay in on a set time frame and a smaller risk managed percent draw out on a relatively random time frame.
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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
The funny part about that is the very nut jobs calling you a socialist don't understand that corporate insurance is the EXACT SAME MODEL as state supplied health care. There is no difference in any respect to the model. Bunch of people pay in on a set time frame and a smaller risk managed percent draw out on a relatively random time frame.

But are you assessed a tax or fine by the IRS for not carrying corporate insurance? I would have thought that would be somewhat of a WEE BIT difference.
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Well I don't know what horrid incarnation our government will come up with.. When I lived in Canada there was no corporate health insurance.. It was all government supplied.. Yes the tax bill was higher, but there was no out of pocket like we have here.

My insurance through work is cheap.. Like twenty bucks a month... for me... My coverage for the wife and two kids is like being raped with a cactus... And then there's a deductible to pay.. Co-pays for simple visits.. they don't cover this.. or that.. It's a racket to avoid paying any damned thing. I have payed out in premiums ten times what they have paid in claims.. and I just had a kid in February.

Increasing my taxes by five percent to avoid all the BS would be near Godly in comparison... considering I pay fifteen percent just so they can pay what would be two percent of my salary in claims.

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Lucky for me I have government health care already! lol

100% with the VA.

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