quote:Originally posted by Pagan: Sorry for the delay glassman. I was referring to this portion of your post.
"we have the technology to track all the illegals here right now if we WANT to. Not on a minute by minute basis but on a monthly basis."
What technology are you referring to?
our wire transfer and credit reporting agencies and walmart already have the data.
we are very capable of sorting it.
the NY times terror suspect was IDed and captured in 48 hrs. It was still possible even IF the bomb had gone off.
I studied the case closely as i could (as a civilian) to understand how they did it. He used cash to buy the SUV and we still got him. They bought the SUV in mall parking lot, with nothing more than cash and title exchange.
Granted we would have a difficult time putting names to the faces, but all the faces are on Walmart cameras just like the face f the guy was on the Mall parking lot cameras. NOw, i 've never done a walmart wire transfer, but it's easy enought to tag every one with a remittance destination an work back form there, and you know they are on camera when they do a remittance. That would be insane not to have for security reasons.
The illusion that our govt doesn't know whatever they want to about the people living in this country might make a lot of libertarians feel comfy, but 9-11 changed everything.
The whole internet is monitored. (and has been since day one) That sounds crazy, but i assure you that govt has the best, most advanced data capture sytem on the planet. The only issue is what you want to do with the data. I wasn't joking when i said the CIA created the credit reporting system. Any cash transaction over 10,000$ has been required to be reported for decades now, and i beleive that number may have gone down since 9-11.
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: Sorry for the delay glassman. I was referring to this portion of your post.
"we have the technology to track all the illegals here right now if we WANT to. Not on a minute by minute basis but on a monthly basis."
What technology are you referring to?
our wire transfer and credit reporting agencies and walmart already have the data.
we are very capable of sorting it.
the NY times terror suspect was IDed and captured in 48 hrs. It was still possible even IF the bomb had gone off.
I studied the case closely as i could (as a civilian) to understand how they did it. He used cash to buy the SUV and we still got him. They bought the SUV in mall parking lot, with nothing more than cash and title exchange.
Granted we would have a difficult time putting names to the faces, but all the faces are on Walmart cameras just like the face f the guy was on the Mall parking lot cameras. NOw, i 've never done a walmart wire transfer, but it's easy enought to tag every one with a remittance destination an work back form there, and you know they are on camera when they do a remittance. That would be insane not to have for security reasons.
The illusion that our govt doesn't know whatever they want to about the people living in this country might make a lot of libertarians feel comfy, but 9-11 changed everything.
The whole internet is monitored. (and has been since day one) That sounds crazy, but i assure you that govt has the best, most advanced data capture sytem on the planet. The only issue is what you want to do with the data. I wasn't joking when i said the CIA created the credit reporting system. Any cash transaction over 10,000$ has been required to be reported for decades now, and i beleive that number may have gone down since 9-11.
I see what you are trying to say, but the "wire transfer and credit reporting data" scenario is nigh impossible. Most illegals do not have credit cards...nor purchase vehicles via credit. So that option is pretty moot. As far as the wire transfers and cameras, that scenario is easily evaded. Yes you might be able to track some that way, but not the majority. The money can be wired from places with poor cameras or no cameras. Numerous money orders can be purchased and mailed as opposed to using wire transfers. Mules can be used to ferry money across the border. Illegals could also pay an individual to wire money across the border. As I said, many ways for the illegals to avoid detection in your scenario.
My point is, there is no sure fire way of tracking the vast majority of illegals in country. Other than preventing them from getting in....I'm not sure what the answer is at this point. Especially since we already have soo many already in country...and invisible for the most part. JMO
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illegals buy homes too, this situation is one that has been DELIBERATELY created, it is not a matter of being unable to do anything abou tit, it is a matter of people on both sides WANTING it, and the peopl in the "middle" being complacent,it's wrong at so many levels beyond illegal border crossings that i can't list them in a few dozen posts :
Bank Defends Credit Cards for Illegal Immigrants
by Scott Horsley
February 13, 2007
In Los Angeles, immigrants who don't have credentials to work in the United States can still get a credit card, thanks to a pilot program run by Bank of America. The bank is hoping to tap a fast-growing market by offering credit cards to illegal immigrants without Social Security numbers.
Bank of America is testing the new credit-card program at about 50 Los Angeles branches. Applicants don't need a Social Security number or a traditional credit check to qualify. But they do need to have a Bank of America checking account with no recent history of bounced checks.
Critics are condemning the program, saying the bank is knowingly marketing credit cards to illegal immigrants.
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i can literally post hundreds of examples of this:
Mexican ID Card Gets Illegal Aliens Access to Banks
Jeff Johnson, CNSNews.com Tuesday, Aug. 20, 2002
WASHINGTON – Mexican citizens living in the United States are allegedly being illegally helped by at least one national banking chain that now accepts a card issued by the Mexican government as valid identification for opening accounts. But an immigration reform group says those banks are violating federal law.
"We were approached by the Consulate General of Mexico to help find solutions to the barriers that Mexicans are encountering when trying to open a checking or savings account at a U.S. bank," said Lynn Pike, regional president for Wells Fargo in metro Los Angeles announcing the decision last year. "It became clear that one of those barriers is having forms of identification that are accepted by banks.
Wells Fargo accepts the Mexican "Matricula Consular" - or Certificate of Consular Registration - as a "primary" form of identification in place of other forms of U.S.- or state government-issued identification. Wells Fargo also requires applicants to have a major credit card, department store credit card, or student identification card with a photo to open an account.
Abetting Illegal Aliens
"By removing this barrier," Pike explained, "we want Mexican citizens to know that Wells Fargo welcomes their business and wants to be the financial services company of choice for the Hispanic community."
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i can find you articles from both sides of the issue, praising and villifying it, in every case? it is ILLEGAL:
Embracing Illegals Companies are getting hooked on the buying power of 11 million undocumented immigrants JULY 18, 2005
JULY 18, 2005
Embracing Illegals Companies are getting hooked on the buying power of 11 million undocumented immigrants
Interactive Map >> Inez and Antonio Valenzuela are a marketer's dream. Young, upwardly mobile, and ready to spend on their growing family, the Los Angeles couple in many ways reflects the 42 million Hispanics in the U.S. Age 30 and 29, respectively, with two daughters, Esmeralda, 8, and Maria Luisa, 2 months, the duo puts in long hours, working 4 p.m. to 2 a.m., six days a week, at their bustling streetside taco trailer. From a small sidewalk stand less than two years ago, they built the business into a hot destination for hungry commuters. The Valenzuelas (not their real name) bring in revenue well above the U.S. household average of $43,000, making them a solidly middle-class family that any U.S. consumer-products company would love to reach.
But Inez and Antonio aren't your typical American consumers. They're undocumented immigrants who live and work in the U.S. illegally. When the couple, along with Esmeralda, crossed the Mexican border five years ago, they had little money, no jobs, and lacked basic documents such as Social Security numbers. Guided by friends and family, the couple soon discovered how to navigate the increasingly above-ground world of illegal residency. At the local Mexican consulate, the Valenzuelas each signed up for an identification card known as a matrícula consular, for which more than half the applicants are undocumented immigrants, according to the Pew Hispanic center, a Washington think tank. Scores of financial institutions now accept it for bank accounts, credit cards, and car loans. Next, they applied to the Internal Revenue Service for individual tax identification numbers (ITINS), allowing them to pay taxes like any U.S. citizen -- and thereby to eventually get a home mortgage.
Today, companies large and small eagerly cater to the Valenzuelas -- regardless of their status. In 2003 they paid $11,000 for a used Ford Motor Co. van plus $70,000 more for a gleaming new 30-foot trailer that now serves as headquarters and kitchen for their restaurant. A local car dealer gave them a loan for the van based only on Antonio's matrícula card and his Mexican driver's license. Verizon Communications Inc. also accepted his matrícula when he signed up for cell-phone service. So did a Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC ) branch in the predominantly Hispanic neighborhood in northeast Los Angeles where they live. Having a bank account allows them to pay bills by check and build up their savings. Their goal: to trade up from a one-bedroom rental to their own home. Eventually, they also hope to expand their business by buying several more trailers. Matrícula holders like the Valenzuelas are "bringing us all the money that has been under the mattress," says Wells Fargo branch manager Steven Contreraz.
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I'm sure you can post plenty of articles glassman, but I stand by what I posted. There is NO way to track "all" illegals as you stated in a prior post. Are there some that do the things you just posted in those articles? Sure there are. But not all...not even close.
Btw..yes those places do still exist.
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: I'm sure you can post plenty of articles glassman, but I stand by what I posted. There is NO way to track "all" illegals as you stated in a prior post. Are there some that do the things you just posted in those articles? Sure there are. But not all...not even close.
Btw..yes those places do still exist.
sorry, man, but Federal Money Laundering laws ended that years ago...
as Relentless said? we already live in a police state. the laws are just being ignored in this particular case.
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: I'm sure you can post plenty of articles glassman, but I stand by what I posted. There is NO way to track "all" illegals as you stated in a prior post. Are there some that do the things you just posted in those articles? Sure there are. But not all...not even close.
Btw..yes those places do still exist.
sorry, man, but Federal Money Laundering laws ended that years ago...
as Relentless said? we already live in a police state. the laws are just being ignored in this particular case.
Just more Federal laws that aren't being enforced glass. There are still plenty of places to wire money or purchase money orders with no cameras. It's naive to think otherwise. They maybe able to track the transfers to a destination, or the money order to a name(most likely an alias). No ID is required to purchase money orders. So no need to be sorry
But still...there is NO way to track "all" illegals as you stated. Sorry
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U.S. Rules Force Western Union to Block Money Transfers by Muslims
Sunday, July 02, 2006
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Money transfer agencies like Western Union have delayed or blocked thousands of cash deliveries on suspicion of terrorist connections simply because senders or recipients have names like Mohammed or Ahmed, company officials said.
In one example, an Indian driver here said Western Union prevented him from sending US$120 (euro96) to a friend at home this month because the recipient's name was Mohammed.
"Western Union told me that if I send money to Sahir Mohammed, the money will be blocked because of his name," said 36-year-old Abdul Rahman Maruthayil, who later sent the money through UAE Exchange, a Dubai-based money transfer service.
In a similar case, Pakistani Qadir Khan said Western Union blocked his attempt this month to wire money to his brother, Mohammed, for a cataract operation.
"Every Mohammed is a terrorist now?" Khan asked.
Western Union Financial Services, Inc., an American company based in Colorado, said its clerks simply are following U.S. Treasury Department guidelines that aim to scrutinize cash flows for terrorist links. Most of the flagged transactions are delayed a few hours. Some are blocked entirely.
Western Union's caution is perhaps understandable. Sept. 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta sent money from two Western Union agencies in Maryland before boarding a plane he helped crash into New York's World Trade Center.
The money transfer crackdown comes amid revelations that the U.S. Treasury and CIA have tracked millions of confidential financial transactions handled by the Belgium-based Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or SWIFT.
we realyl can track it all.. we have the capability and that capability increases every day.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: U.S. Rules Force Western Union to Block Money Transfers by Muslims
Sunday, July 02, 2006
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Money transfer agencies like Western Union have delayed or blocked thousands of cash deliveries on suspicion of terrorist connections simply because senders or recipients have names like Mohammed or Ahmed, company officials said.
In one example, an Indian driver here said Western Union prevented him from sending US$120 (euro96) to a friend at home this month because the recipient's name was Mohammed.
"Western Union told me that if I send money to Sahir Mohammed, the money will be blocked because of his name," said 36-year-old Abdul Rahman Maruthayil, who later sent the money through UAE Exchange, a Dubai-based money transfer service.
In a similar case, Pakistani Qadir Khan said Western Union blocked his attempt this month to wire money to his brother, Mohammed, for a cataract operation.
"Every Mohammed is a terrorist now?" Khan asked.
Western Union Financial Services, Inc., an American company based in Colorado, said its clerks simply are following U.S. Treasury Department guidelines that aim to scrutinize cash flows for terrorist links. Most of the flagged transactions are delayed a few hours. Some are blocked entirely.
Western Union's caution is perhaps understandable. Sept. 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta sent money from two Western Union agencies in Maryland before boarding a plane he helped crash into New York's World Trade Center.
The money transfer crackdown comes amid revelations that the U.S. Treasury and CIA have tracked millions of confidential financial transactions handled by the Belgium-based Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or SWIFT.
we realyl can track it all.. we have the capability and that capability increases every day.
Just an FYI glass, you can purchase Money Orders at any gas station, covenience store, grocery store, etc. Not just the Post Office or bank.
And I get your point as far as tracking the wire transfer destinations. But tracking the individuals is a whole nother ballgame. Nothing is fool proof.
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i agree absolutely, see my post about why i decided i would not re-up in the Navy. And beleive me i enjoyed the lifestyle thouroghly. Traveling and getting paid? It was great. I even like being out at sea on the destroyers. I don't think i would like a carrier much.
on the other hand? suppose we were to follow Gov Richerdson's attitude, (which i tend to agree with the most of everybody i've heard so far) and agreed to "legitimise" illegals presence here by "bringing them to the registers and getting them all documented? Then we could really track and ID all but the most sophisticated illegals wh refuse to "register", i beleive we could safely assume they are professional criminals and are very good at what they do. Most illegals are not very educated and are doing what they are taught on the street by other uneducated people. It works but only because we don't bother to do a darn thing about it. I agree that most of them are good simple people who want to work and work hard. They are bien abused by this sytem too
BTW? Richardson says we should not offer Citizenship at all to them after we legitimise them. I tend to think we can offer it, but only after they go home for one continuous year.
IMO? any direct path to Citizenship is amnesty, but it also wrong to deny people who comply with the laws any path at all.
We need to felonise second illegal entries tho....
first time is bus ride home, second time is 2 years hard labor then ride home.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Nothing is fool proof. [Big Grin]
i agree absolutely, see my post about why i decided i would not re-up in the Navy. And beleive me i enjoyed the lifestyle thouroghly. Traveling and getting paid? It was great. I even like being out at sea on the destroyers. I don't think i would like a carrier much.
on the other hand? suppose we were to follow Gov Richerdson's attitude, (which i tend to agree with the most of everybody i've heard so far) and agreed to "legitimise" illegals presence here by "bringing them to the registers and getting them all documented? Then we could really track and ID all but the most sophisticated illegals wh refuse to "register", i beleive we could safely assume they are professional criminals and are very good at what they do. Most illegals are not very educated and are doing what they are taught on the street by other uneducated people. It works but only because we don't bother to do a darn thing about it. I agree that most of them are good simple people who want to work and work hard. They are bien abused by this sytem too
BTW? Richardson says we should not offer Citizenship at all to them after we legitimise them. I tend to think we can offer it, but only after they go home for one continuous year.
IMO? any direct path to Citizenship is amnesty, but it also wrong to deny people who comply with the laws any path at all.
We need to felonise second illegal entries tho....
first time is bus ride home, second time is 2 years hard labor then ride home.
I agree completely
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here is Richardson being interviewed by Andrea Mitchell, i don't like the scholarships part, but i agree with alot of his views and i think that the GOP could be made to look pretty foolish if they didn't go along with a large portion of his idea.
I've noticed the MSNBC has gone nuts lately esp as they talk about the govt taking over the oil spill... I hadn't watched them for months and the change seems pretty big to me.
i think they screwed up when they decided to compete directly against Fox with the same type of "opinion programming"...
note that that he specifically calls for background checks and no citizenship...
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Did You Know? Little Known Facts in the Immigration Debate
1.In 2006, the total unauthorized population in the U.S. was estimated at 11,550,000 by the Department of Homeland Security.
2.The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deported more than 186,600 illegal aliens in 2006.
3.57% of the unauthorized population in 2006 was from Mexico; 12% from El Salvador, Guatemala, Brazil, and Honduras; 10% from India, Korea, China, Vietnam, and the Philippines; while 21% were from all other countries.
4.As of 2006, California contained 24% of the total illegal alien population. Texas had 14%, Florida 8%, New York 5%, and Illinois 5%.
5.2005-2006 population studies indicated that unauthorized immigrants work in the following industries: service occupations (32%); construction and extractive jobs (19%); production, installation and repair (15%); sales and administrative (12%); management, business, and professional (10%); and farming (4%).
6.The IRS estimated that from 1996 to 2003 it received "almost $50 billion" in federal income taxes from people using Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs). They said that "many illegal aliens" as well as others ineligible to receive Social Security numbers contributed to this figure.
7.An Army Corps of Engineers' study estimated that constructing a Mexican border fence would cost over $1.2 million per mile, excluding land acquisition costs, and that the 25-year life cycle cost of the fence would range from $16.4 million to $70 million per mile.
8.40 tunnels and subterranean passages have been discovered under the U.S.-Mexico border from Sep. 11, 2001 to Mar. 16, 2006.
9.An estimated 3.1 million American citizen children have at least one illegal alien parent.
10.Being an alien with an expired visa or residency permit inside the US is a civil offense, while entering illegally or smuggling aliens across the borders could be classified as a misdemeanor, a felony, or even as a capital crime.
11.The first major U.S. immigration curtailment was the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Immigration Act.
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Top 20 Occupations with High Shares of Unauthorized Immigrants, 2008
Top 20 Occupations* % of Unauthorized Immigrants in Total Work Force # of Unauthorized Immigrant Workers Total # of All Workers
1. Brickmasons, blockmasons and stonemasons 40% 131,000 325,000 2. Drywall installers, ceiling tile installers and tapers 37% 94,000 255,000 3. Roofers 31% 76,000 246,000 4. Miscellaneous agricultural workers 30% 269,000 910,000 5. Helpers, construction trades 28% 52,000 184,000 6. Dishwashers 28% 101,000 364,000 7. Construction laborers 27% 556,000 2,055,000 8. Maids and housekeeping cleaners 27% 417,000 1,555,000 9. Cement masons, concrete finishers and terazzo workers 27% 29,000 109,000 10. Packaging and filling machine operators and tenders 26% 96,000 369,000 11. Grounds maintenance workers 25% 356,000 1,413,000 12. Packers and packagers, hand 24% 119,000 504,000 13. Butchers, poultry and fish processing workers 23% 71,000 305,000 14. Carpet, floor, and tile installlers and finishers 22% 68,000 306,000 15. Painters, constuction and maintenance 22% 173,000 791,000 16. Parking lot attendants 21% 21,000 100,000 17. Chefs and head cooks 20% 75,000 377,000 18. Sewing machine operators 20% 49,000 248,000 19. Refuse and recyclable material collectors 19% 22,000 112,000 20. Cooks 19% 427,000 2,219,000 Other "unauthorized" occupations** 9% 3,120,000 34,979,000 All other occupations 2% 1,928,000 106,407,000 Total, Civilian Labor Force (with an occupation
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As long as there is a job at the end of an illegals destination they will get here some how. No matter how many walls you build or how many troops you put on the border. You know why? The illegals motivation for getting hear is if he or she stays where they are its death plain and simple by starvation.
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John McCain, U.S. Senator (R-AZ), in a Mar. 30, 2006 statement on the Senate floor regarding border security and immigration reform legislation, offered the following remarks: "I have listened to and understand the concerns of those who simply advocate sealing our borders and rounding up and deporting undocumented workers currently in residence here. But that's easier said than done... I have yet to hear a single proponent of this point of view offer one realistic proposal for locating, apprehending, and returning to their countries of origin over 11 million people. How do we do that? ...it would take 200,000 buses extending along a 1700 mile long line to deport 11 million people. That's assuming we had the resources to locate and apprehend all 11 million, or even half that number, which we don't have and, we all know, won't ever have."
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: As long as there is a job at the end of an illegals destination they will get here some how. No matter how many walls you build or how many troops you put on the border. You know why? The illegals motivation for getting hear is if he or she stays where they are its death plain and simple by starvation.
no! Mexicans are not starving, their country is not that screwed up. they simply want better money than they can earn down there.
STARVATION KILLS 25 A DAY IN MEXICO CITY; Only Heavy Food Imports Can Avert a Higher Death Rate. August 24, 1915, Tuesday
Page 6, 379 words MEXICO CITY, Aug. 13, (by Courier to Vera Cruz, Aug. 16; via New Orleans, Aug. 23.) -- Deaths by starvation continue in this city, and most conservative estimates place them at twenty-five a day.
note the date carefully!
the claim that Mexicans are only 4 % of the illegal population is contrary to most of what i've seen too, they are about half of the illegals here. And that's why the Mexicans protest so much.
the US allows more legal immigrants than ALL other countries combined.
the illegals are just getting in front of the line and the people that come here legally are being abused by them...
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Part 2 - Widespread Poverty and Hunger in Mexico According to the World Bank, 53% of Mexico' population of 104 million residents live in poverty, which is defined as living on less than $2 a day. Close to 24% of Mexico's population live in extreme poverty, which means they live on less than $1 a day.
The bottom 40% of Mexican households share less than 11% of the country's wealth. Millions live in extreme poverty,and children are compelled to work on the streets in order to help provide food for their families.
now before you feel too sorry for the poor Mexicans? They still get food cuz they can still grow it themselves there, and a couple dollars a day goes a lot furhter than it does here.
70% of the US wealth is owned by the top 10% so wealth distribution here is actually much worse...
and the bottom 40% here own less than 1% of the wealth...
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Whens the last time you have been to Mexico and I don't meaan a border town?
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Part 2 - Widespread Poverty and Hunger in Mexico According to the World Bank, 53% of Mexico' population of 104 million residents live in poverty, which is defined as living on less than $2 a day. Close to 24% of Mexico's population live in extreme poverty, which means they live on less than $1 a day.
The bottom 40% of Mexican households share less than 11% of the country's wealth. Millions live in extreme poverty,and children are compelled to work on the streets in order to help provide food for their families.
Unemployment in Mexico is realistically estimated near 40%, and there are no government unemployment benefits. There are also virtually no welfare benefits to provide the basics for poverty-stricken, often-starving women, children and families.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: Whens the last time you have been to Mexico and I don't meaan a border town?
it's been since 2001, and i've been deep into Mexico and not the resort areas. I tend to avoid resort areas. I like to fish. I've also been in other countries in the rural areas where people are poor. Fact is? There's alot of good things about not being a nation of consumers like we have become. They tend to have tighter communities and take care of each other better than we do, since there's no govt to take care of them. We have spent the last twenty years now getting people to get off welfare and help them become independant. It's one of the best things Clinton did...
People in Mexico are not starving to death. They may not be able to afford new cars or even used cars, but that's because their country is being run by criminals. Coming here doesn't change their govt. It doesn't change the ability of Mexico to employ their people either. We aren't helping Mexico this way. We are splitting families up, we are abusing workers by not paying them what the work is worth. As long as we keep this system? More will come to be abused and the legal ones who wait to come her will keep waiting, aren't the ones that follow the law the ones we really want? We do need immigrants. Legal ones, they are the real loser in this we already allow more immigration legally than all other countries combined. Thats the proof this isn't about race at all.
March 2004 Mexican immigrants account for about one-fifth of the legal immigrants living in the United States. This large percentage is actually a legacy of the legalization programs of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), under which about two million formerly undocumented Mexicans acquired legal status. In terms of the annual inflow of legal immigrants, about one in seven are Mexican. This share is substantially larger than the legal flow from any other country
When was the last time you were in severely poor areas of the US? I live in one of the poorest states and counties in the country. It tend sto cost much less t live here, sure i rarely see new models of cars here, new trucks i see, but Lexus or mercedes? i have to go up to Memphis to see them... It's all relative.
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You have a valid point I still say most Mexicans come here because of work they can get it and manage to save some to. It is better than there own country. The ones that can make it in Mexico are not sneaking across our border.
As for poverty in our own country I know it is there I do not travle in the US much. If you are judging poverty by a new car or not I guess I saw a lot of it in the U.S. yesturday.
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I firmly believe that we allow people from Mexico here and turn a blind eye is because of the saftey valve that it offers Mexico.
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