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Peaser i listened to that show when it was on. I found it to be very disingenuous.
in Part 4 they talk about Deism being considered differently today than it was then. they say agnosticism or atheism is equated to deism today and that is just not true.
Deist's do not beleive that God performs miracles. They tend to have a scientific view towards religion. It is true that Deists have differnt Faiths today just as they did in the 1700's, but it still means the same thing. Deism was in fact a large school of thought shared by many educated people, not just some our founding fathers.
The Jefferson Bible removed all accounts of what Jefferon perceived as Magical acts performed by Jesus and presented him as more like a Rabbi and not as the Saviour.
After completion of the Life and Morals, about 1820, Jefferson shared it with a number of friends, but he never allowed it to be published during his lifetime.
The most complete form Jefferson produced was inherited by his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, and was published in 1895 by the National Museum in Washington.
The book was later published as a lithographic reproduction by an act of the United States Congress in 1904. For many years copies were given to new members of Congress.[6] The text is now freely available on the Internet since it is in the public domain.
if you go the end? it stops at his burial and makes no mention of the Resurection. In Europe? Jefferson would have most likely been executed for that.
when Beck tires to make the case that our Founders were religious men he is not lying, but he failed to point out that being a member of a Church was a requirement in many States prior to holding any public office, so all of these men would have been Churchgoers or they wouldn't have been in politics at all.
and to say they did these things even tho they didn't want to is just foolish.
to say that our Founders were not progressives is even more foolish
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Glen is now trying to "educate" us about the "forgotten depression"
he's going on about the depression of 1920 and how it was fixed.
well, the truth of this is nothing like what Glen is going on about. the Roaring Twenties followed that depression and the roaring twenties gave US the Great Depression. In many ways? the little depression was fixed just as Dubya tried to fix the recession we had when he came into office and the same thing happened again, that's how we got into the mess we are in now.
today Glen is just plain lying. there are so many similarities between the 20's and hte mid 2000's it's incredible. the most glaring issue is the easy availabiltiy of cash to borrow.
When overall stock market margin rates got to be the same in 2006 and 2007 as they were in the late twenties? i was becoming concerned, and posted as much right here in real time. What i wasn't really aware of at that time was that the banks themselves had margin spreads even worse in their mortgage portfolios.
i don't think Glen has any clue about Truth. Whether it is intentional or just stupidity? I dunno but todays show takes the cake for ignorance at best.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: glad i tuned in today.
Glen is now trying to "educate" us about the "forgotten depression"
he's going on about the depression of 1920 and how it was fixed.
well, the truth of this is nothing like what Glen is going on about. the Roaring Twenties followed that depression and the roaring twenties gave US the Great Depression. In many ways? the little depression was fixed just as Dubya tried to fix the recession we had when he came into office and the same thing happened again, that's how we got into the mess we are in now.
today Glen is just plain lying. there are so many similarities between the 20's and hte mid 2000's it's incredible. the most glaring issue is the easy availabiltiy of cash to borrow.
When overall stock market margin rates got to be the same in 2006 and 2007 as they were in the late twenties? i was becoming concerned, and posted as much right here in real time. What i wasn't really aware of at that time was that the banks themselves had margin spreads even worse in their mortgage portfolios.
i don't think Glen has any clue about Truth. Whether it is intentional or just stupidity? I dunno but todays show takes the cake for ignorance at best.
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I wanna see Sarah Palin on the catwalk in something sexy. Woman has some nice legs on her too. One thing you all cant deny is Republican women are sexier.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: glad i tuned in today.
Glen is now trying to "educate" us about the "forgotten depression"
he's going on about the depression of 1920 and how it was fixed.
well, the truth of this is nothing like what Glen is going on about. the Roaring Twenties followed that depression and the roaring twenties gave US the Great Depression. In many ways? the little depression was fixed just as Dubya tried to fix the recession we had when he came into office and the same thing happened again, that's how we got into the mess we are in now.
today Glen is just plain lying. there are so many similarities between the 20's and hte mid 2000's it's incredible. the most glaring issue is the easy availabiltiy of cash to borrow.
When overall stock market margin rates got to be the same in 2006 and 2007 as they were in the late twenties? i was becoming concerned, and posted as much right here in real time. What i wasn't really aware of at that time was that the banks themselves had margin spreads even worse in their mortgage portfolios.
i don't think Glen has any clue about Truth. Whether it is intentional or just stupidity? I dunno but todays show takes the cake for ignorance at best.
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interesting article Pagan. Since i live in a small town in MS i am constantly being told a rehash by people i meet of Becks latest rantings and ravings that's why i started tuning in.
i tend to agree with the article in that Beck is dangerous simply because of the number of people that take what he says as gospel because he does in fact present it like televangelists do.
i think i said before that i wish he had written transcripts like limbugger does so i could refute his so-called Truths without having to first explain his statements and then refute them. He isn't wrong about everything he says. I don't disagree with everything he says by a longshot, but he's always working toward a goal that isn't really clear. I'm not even sure he knows what his goals are other than to develop a following of people that will accept his "teachings". Maybe he thinks he's a modern day prophet, or more appropriately a Latter day Prophet
here's what's really scary about Beck and Hannity and well Fox News in general.
Newscorp (the parent co) now owns the WSJ and has launched business channel as well as several other publications.
the more i watch Fox the more i see them quoting other news sources that are actually all part of newscorp.
The Weekly Standard? another product of Newscorp has never even made a profit, but they constantly get their articles featured on Fox and they even hire the writers to do commentary and advertise the paper all the time.
Newscorp was of course founded by Rupert Murdoch who was an Aussie until he hit the maximum amount of media outlets allowed to be owned by foreign interests, so he became an American citizen. Sometime in the last few years? The Saudi Royal family bought a 5% interest in the co too...
it wouldn't bother me so much if they were really fair and balanced, or they just didn't lie so much.
Hannity's Conservative Victory: More than 20 falsehoods, smears, and distortions March 31, 2010 3:06 pm ET — 224 Comments
On Page 155 of Conservative Victory, Sean Hannity claims that conservatives "have the best weapon at hand to combat [liberals'] efforts: the truth." According to a Media Matters for America review, Hannity appeared to leave that "weapon" at home, as his new book is riddled with numerous falsehoods, smears, and distortions. Below are more than 20 of them:
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Beck is too much for me most of the time, but he does have some points. Hannity just got cheesy after it transformed into the new show. I cant even watch it. Back when it was Hannity and Colmes it was better.
Dont forget about MSNBC. Everyone wants to pick on Fox news when the same thing is going on with a different network. Old school CNN from the 90s?
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Basically, it's like the famous Orson Welles martian invasion--a hoax, a put-on.
yes, but as CashCow points out? he mixes alot of fact into it. he plays this roll of journalist exposing "BIG" myths when they aren't myths and then presents "solutions" to real problems using mythology. For example, there is so much mythology surrounding Reaganomics that he likes to exploit. Reagan did some very good things, but he did not decrease the size or spending of the govt one bit.
the show yesterday is great example, he pretends that nobody really knows about the '20 depression. It was real and it was bad, but it was a natural result of ending the 1st WW. Which by the way we didn't win, it ended in our favor but only because of a worldwide flu outbreak that in some cases wiped out whole cities. The flu also contributed to the economic mess.
i think Glen's only real goal is to develop a following much like Pat Robertson, but with his own unique blend of economics, religion and politics.
as for Hannity? I'd like to see him hire a "liberal" with some real charisma and brains to try to "debate" rather than the sad sak Colmes. Colmes and that guy Juan are handpicked to provide weak arguments.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Beck is too much for me most of the time, but he does have some points. Hannity just got cheesy after it transformed into the new show. I cant even watch it. Back when it was Hannity and Colmes it was better.
Dont forget about MSNBC. Everyone wants to pick on Fox news when the same thing is going on with a different network. Old school CNN from the 90s?
i watched Olberman last wek, i see your point about him, but i don't see him as having the kind of influence that Hannity and Beck have, that's my biggest concern, people are being propagandised in a very big way at Fox and these guys have the right to free speech, but IMO they are damaging the GOP as much as anything else by misinforming their followers.
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i think Glen's only real goal is to develop a following much like Pat Robertson, but with his own unique blend of economics, religion and politics.
well...he sells lottsa "stuff"
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so has Pat Robertson. I used to live a few miles from him. You wouldn't beleive how much money that guy has scammed offa people.
The dude is total lowlife.He started his own law school because of so many lawsuits filed against him for "stealing" peoples inheritance. That's no lie. People would find out after mom and dad died that they get nothing cuzza him. And he won those suits.
Bush? He filled many of his legal posts from pat's Lawschool grads.
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the guy has not just no morals, but severely corrupted ones:
According to a 2 June 1999, article in The Virginian-Pilot,[23] Robertson had extensive business dealings with Liberian president Charles Taylor. According to the article, Taylor gave Robertson the rights to mine for diamonds in Liberia's mineral-rich countryside. According to two Operation Blessing pilots who reported this incident to the state of Virginia for investigation in 1994, Robertson used his Operation Blessing planes to haul diamond-mining equipment to Robertson's mines in Liberia, despite the fact that Robertson was telling his 700 Club viewers that the planes were sending relief supplies to the victims of the genocide in Rwanda. In response to Taylor's alleged crimes against humanity the United States Congress passed a bill In November 2003 that offered two million dollars for his capture. Robertson accused President Bush of "undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels to take over the country." At the time Taylor was harboring Al Qaeda operatives who were funding their operations through the illegal diamond trade.[24] On February 4, 2010, at his war crimes trial in the Hague, Charles Taylor testified that Robertson was his main political ally in the U.S., and that he had volunteered to make Liberia's case before U.S. administration officials in exchange for concessions to Robertson's Freedom Gold, Ltd., to which Taylor gave a contract to mine gold in southeast Liberia.[25] In 2010, a spokesman for Robertson said that the company's arrangements - the Liberian government got a 10 percent equity interest in the company and Liberians could purchase at least 15 percent of the shares after the exploration period - was similar to many American companies doing business in Africa at the time.
the Virginai pilot is based in Norfolk, the city of Va Beach is right next door where Robertson lives and set up his universlty among other interests, and Robertson regualrly lobbied for and got special tax deals for his faith based businesses in Va Beach.
people got all upset about Reverand Wright's 911 statements?
Roberston said the exact same stuff and still got invited to the White House.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Power corrupts many no matter what they represent.
true, and power is not free, sticking with the topic which is Glen Beck? Today he is trying to say that printing money is UnAmerican and thatthe Founders would be rolloing over in their graves: so lets look at how the Founders paid for the Revolutionary War:
in May 1775, the Continental Congress began making preparations for war with Great Britain they resolved to issue paper money to pay for salaries and supplies. Taxation was not even considered, and the few who recommended it were ridiculed or ignored. Americans were rightly averse to any taxation, but war bills had to be paid somehow. They chose to finance the war through the printing of bills of credit (paper currency receivable for future taxes).
There is still debate among historians about when the paper currency began depreciating. Sumner concluded from his research that it was almost immediate. He cited a resolution of the Massachusetts Provincial Congress (28 June 1775) declaring that anyone who refused these notes or demanded a premium for them was an "enemy of the country."
the depreciation became marked and significant in the latter half of 1776. By December, the Continental dollar had sunk to 66% of a specie dollar. To combat the depreciation, the states made the paper currencies legal tender for all debts and purchases, enacted price controls, and printed more money. The states made it a crime to refuse paper money, demand a premium in paper, or charge lower prices for specie. Punishments included public humiliation, fines, imprisonment, and the forfeiture or confiscation of the goods or property concerned. In addition, delegates from the New England states met at the end of 1776 to set price ceilings for a wide range of goods and to enact wage controls as the high prices being paid for labor were said to be inhibiting military recruitment.
In five years, they had issued $241 million continental paper dollars, the states had issued $209 million of their own notes, but millions more of each had been counterfeited by private individuals as well as the British. Congress called on the states to retire the Continentals by levying taxes payable in either paper or specie. If one preferred the latter, one silver dollar would pay $40 in taxes. Over the next year, the states would retire $120 million continentals. They also levied taxes to collect their own worthless currencies. The experiment of fiat paper was over. Even as they retired the Continentals, neither Congress nor the states were ready to forego using paper currency. For the remainder of the war, Congress would continue to rely on it to pay the troops and supply the army and navy. They simply learned to be more sparing in its issue and to maintain some link, however tenuous, to gold and silver. In 1780, Congress issued $4.5 million in a new interest-bearing currency, redeemable in coin after five years, and receivable for taxes. It too depreciated rapidly after being paid out. In 1781, Congress chartered a fractional-reserve bank, the Bank of North America, the declared purpose of which was to lend funds to the government, and furnish the country with a stable paper currency.
our Founders were not Divinely Inspired, they were hardworking Men who dealt with the real world. Heck, they printed money with no backing at all to fight the war. The notes were literally just promissory checks written with a future date. It' almost like the pay-day loans we have everywhere today. this crap Beck is slinging is making me angry because it's hurting our country when people have unrealistic ideas about how we were founded.
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it took me awhile to find it, but the Colonies apparently had 12 million dollars in circualtion before the Continental Dollar was issued. This was "divided" amongst about 2.5 million people.
by the second printing of Continetal dollar at the end of 1775? the amount of money was effectively doubled.
New issues were made at various times until the close of 1779, when the aggregate amount was $242,000,000. Then the bills had so much depreciated that $100 in specie would purchase $2,600 in paper currency. By the end of 1781, $100 in specie would purchase $16,800 in paper.
that is how our country WAS founded!
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We seemed to do fine before the Department of Education was made if 1980 is the correct year of establishment. This of course unless there was some prior program under a different name.
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it used to be part of Health Education and Welfare. This is another good example of how Glen decieves people.
i thik he's lying on purpose too, this is not something he should ha missed
HEW was split up
In 1979, the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was renamed the Department of Health and Human Services, and its education functions transferred to the new Department of Education. Patricia Roberts Harris headed the department before and after it was renamed.
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Yeah I kind of had a hunch there was probably something before 1980. Real journalism would have said how it works from the very beginning.
he doesn't claim to be a real journalist, i just don't get what he's up to.
i am concernend about our debt, have been for several years. The best way IMO is to fix our trade deficit tho. That SHOULD increase incomes across the board which would increase govt revenues.
cutting Govt spending is just as dangerous as what we just went thru cuz the govt spending is part of the economy. Cut govt jobs? That's jobs lost, those people then have to go into the private sector and get jobs there. Those jobs don't exist now do they?
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Today he is trying to say that printing money is UnAmerican and thatthe Founders would be rolloing over in their graves: so lets look at how the Founders paid for the Revolutionary War:
The Founders rolling over in their graves comment refered to The US following in European policies such as social security insurance and medicare, etc...
If the founders knew of us following the european styled plans, they would be disgusted.
The Founders wouldn't have been surprised though as many predicted that we would not be able to keep our nation as originally intended.
At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.
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I might pay $25-$35 for a floor seat up close, but these prices are a tad extreme for me, and I listen to his radio + tv programs almost daily. $25 to be in the rafters at a "town hall" style meeting is too much IMO. I'd rather pay $1-$4 to rent it, when it comes out on DVD.
quote:Originally posted by Peaser: Today he is trying to say that printing money is UnAmerican and thatthe Founders would be rolloing over in their graves: so lets look at how the Founders paid for the Revolutionary War:
The Founders rolling over in their graves comment refered to The US following in European policies such as social security insurance and medicare, etc...
If the founders knew of us following the european styled plans, they would be disgusted.
The Founders wouldn't have been surprised though as many predicted that we would not be able to keep our nation as originally intended.
At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.
the founders would have been so disturbed that we gave thier wives mothers and daughters the right to vote, educate every single child to adulthood that is educatable and try to educate the ones that are not. Put a library in nearly every community? Paved the nation coast to coast and put a man on the moon all by way of taxes?
i have absolutley no doubt that they would be disturbed that their wives can vote and their slaves were taken from them
our founders were humans with human problems and imperfect solutions to problems. that was my point. they should be respected for the MOST PROGRESSIVE govt ever acheived on the planet. we have kept this Republic and we will. We are facing alot of big problems but becoming communist or fascist (that's what Nazis really were )is no the problem.
my point was that they borrowed 20 times the amount of money that whole colonial system had in circulation and said that they would tax their children and grandchildren while refusing to tax in the moment. which they did. One silver dollar was worth 800 of their paper dollars at the end of the revolution. Our finacial problems today are nothing compared to that single decision they made in 1775, and we got thru it by working.
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Glen calls regulation slavery? 30 seconds in he says our Founding Fathers called red tape slavery?
the dudes brain is twisted inside.
that's right at the first 30 seconds...
the Founding Fatheres called Slavery what it was. They Constitutioanlised it. The SCOTUS ruled on it int he Dred Scott decision and upheld it.
Glen is the biggest revisionist i've ever seen.
the recent crash was intitaited by new accounting rules that forced the Banks to value their assets at real market prices instead whatever value htey wanted to assign them, i posted many links to this as the slide began. The old rules were considered dishonest by everybody in the business, o they were changed, remeber all the pepl saying get rid of the mark to market rules and this problem will be fixed? Well nobody who understood why they needed mark to market rules beleived the new rules should be repealed, the only people who wanted to keep the old rules were losing their investments because under the old rules, th ebanks could loan themselves money by inflating (falsely) the value of their balance sheet to increase their credit rating.
as to the cap and trade system? Beck doesn't have clue what he's talking about.
it's not a weatlh transfer scheme, any more than the stock market is. Of course it's scheme designed to create finance for alternative energy sources, and BTW? we need that even more now that the oil well is bleeding out of control.
Glens mouth works way faster than his brain, the words all work together but they don't have any meaning.
If you were to trascribe his work and try to read it? It would become quite obvious how retarded he is. Thats why he doesn't do it. He is overdependant on his visual and audio "preacher" skills to get his message across, they just don't translate into writing
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