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I don't even listen to the conservative rot and garbage they are people of complete ignornace that rejects sicience.

I know why they do, but I will never choose corporate profits over human well being.

As Obama's policies work jobs will be created, peole that can,t afford heat in the winter will get help and life will be a little better for thoes in need. Medical attention,better food,and education will start to reach those in need.

I am so proud of what he has done in 45 days I hope it keeps right on going along.

And if you conservatives don't like it you had a chance for eight years and what you did was fail and all you offer is the same old crap and whinning,remeber you lost what you did was bad for the country.

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"I don't even listen to the conservative rot and garbage"

Hey, I do. I've never been much for stopping to see the aftermath of wrecks and such, but I might if given forecast of them so I could be there and watch them happen live. Any way, they are so chock full of idiotic illogicl BS it is like watching to see what tomorrow's program will be from Stephen Colbert.

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And if you conservatives don't like it you had a chance for eight years and what you did was fail and all you offer is the same old crap and whinning,remeber you lost what you did was bad for the country.
The REPUBLICANS have been in charge for the past 8 years and yes - they failed in a huge way! At some point, after the collapse, the conservatives will appear and steer the country toward a better future. Unfortunately, that will be a lot lower than where we are today.
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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
The REPUBLICANS have been in charge for the past 8 years and yes - they failed in a huge way! At some point, after the collapse, the conservatives will appear and steer the country toward a better future. Unfortunately, that will be a lot lower than where we are today.

right, everybody is fake but you and rush limbigger...

better take some of those blue pills rush likes so much

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fail again you whinning wimp conservatives,show the nation what you really are hope the country fails you are all so greedy and selfish you can't stand to see anybody get a small amount of help in a recession.

This time the country will see what you really are.

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This time the country will see what you really are.
I hope so, but they won't realize that this is the only way out until after there has been a collapse!
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"Your side is to blame!!!"
"No YOUR side is at fault!!!"
"Well your guy is a moron!"
"No your guy is a CAAARRREEEEEMINALLL!!!"
"You're a MORON!!!"
"No you're the moron!"


Bla bla bla
Almost as if it were scripted.

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The Architect: As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly ninety-nine percent of the test subjects accepted the program provided they were given a choice - even if they were only aware of it at a near-unconscious level. While this solution worked, it was fundamentally flawed, creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that, if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those who refused the program, while a minority, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
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That's nice, rel....

Now drink your milk and go to bed.

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Hey gramps...
Done hugging the toilet for the day... or about to start?

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I already know the answer:

Yes

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A nation divided against itself cannot stand... and something about too many crooks, I mean, cooks in the kitchen spoils the whole damn stew rings a bell.

There are way to many labels out there.
Information overload!
Greed!!!! GREED, has this great nation by the balls(p.c...mamories)! Until you get rid of all the Liberal Democrats and the Conservative Republicans, and start getting some Conservative Democrats and some Liberal Republicans we will fall.

Another one that rings a bell... OH, how the mighty have fallen...

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quote:
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Plenty of fish "to catch"...

ya, but eating?

Scroll through the Advisory Table, here:

http://web.epa.state.oh.us/dsw/fishadvisory/limitmeals.html

...and that's just for Ohio

bumpedy...

too hot a topic?

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Been a problem for a long time Tex. I lived in Niagara Falls for a tad under a decade and can remember reeling fish out of the river with some SERIOUS deformations.
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Down here along the coast there is even a limit on gulf caught fish. When I was in south Florida I can remember oyster limits as well..
The water is polluted and has been for a long time...

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Plenty of fish "to catch"...

ya, but eating?

Scroll through the Advisory Table, here:

http://web.epa.state.oh.us/dsw/fishadvisory/limitmeals.html

...and that's just for Ohio

bumpedy...

too hot a topic?

Wow, I went and looked at that. There are some rivers they say do not eat any fish at all. Due to PCBs


Check this out:

New York State
Between approximately 1947 and 1977 General Electric Company (GE) released up to 1,300,000 pounds (590,000 kg) of PCBs into the Hudson River[14]. The PCBs came from the company's two capacitor manufacturing plants at Hudson Falls and Fort Edward in New York State.[14]


Indiana:

From the late 1950s through 1977, Westinghouse Electric used PCBs in the manufacture of capacitors in its Bloomington, Indiana plant. Reject capacitors were hauled and dumped in area salvage yards and landfills. Workers also dumped PCB oil down factory drains which contaminated the city sewage treatment plant.[citation needed] The City of Bloomington gave away the sludge to area farmers and gardeners, creating anywhere from 200 to 2000 sites which remain unaddressed. Over 2 million pounds of PCBs were estimated to have been dumped in Monroe and Owen Counties, which would make it the biggest concentration of PCBs in the world.[citation needed] Although federal and state authorities have been working on the site remediations, many areas remain contaminated. Concerns have been raised regarding the removal of PCBs from the karst limestone topography, and regarding the possible disposal options. To date, the Westinghouse Bloomington PCB Superfund site case does not have a RI/FS (Remedial Investigation/Feasibility Study) and ROD (Record of Decision), although Westinghouse signed a US Department of Justice Consent Decree in 1985.[citation needed] On February 15, 2008, Monroe County approved a plan to clean up the 3 remaining contaminated sites in the City of Bloomington, at a cost of $9.6m to CBS Corp., the successor of Westinghouse. [17]


The Great Lakes
Much of the Great Lakes area is still heavily polluted with PCBs, despite extensive remediation work.[18] Locally caught fresh water fish and shellfish are contaminated with PCBs and their consumption is restricted.

From 1959 to 1971, Waukegan Harbor in Illinois on Lake Michigan was contaminated with PCB's discharged by the Outboard Marine Corp.

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yes, bad.

There's a public perception that it's all better now, simply because rivers aren't burning...

And, of course, there's that "marketing copy" that precedes the table, but the table tells the tale.

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There's a public perception that it's all better now, simply because rivers aren't burning...
It IS better now. The question is how good is good enough? Yes, there are certainly some bodies of water that still need work, but there are many more that are healthier than they've been in decades.
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yes it is somewhat better than horrible...

but even tho that boil on yur butt is better than it was last year ,?,,its still festering and stinks!!

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quote:
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There's a public perception that it's all better now, simply because rivers aren't burning...
It IS better now. The question is how good is good enough? Yes, there are certainly some bodies of water that still need work, but there are many more that are healthier than they've been in decades.
And though it is better now, had we listened to you and the political fossils you want to dictate to us, we would have not done anything about it at all and it would be worse.

Now, you advocate returning to a policy of doing nothing, so that our environment will return to the state it was a few years back and you do that to allow huge corporations to continue to strip mining the Federal Treasury at will of the taxes we the people have deposited there.

You just can't keep from lying, can you, you simple minded excuse for a human being.

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How good is good enough? Bdgee? Jordan?
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Don't be silly. We can't do the impossible.

If you were capable of understanding it, you wouldn't be so stupid in the first place. You might as well expect a turtle to understand live birth or a horse the design of a steam engine. Face it, PM, your genes make you not only a despicable excuse for a human being, they also place you in the way far lesser regions of the IQ spectrum and there certainly is no hope for you to achieve catastrophic evolutionary improvement.

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Face it Bdgee, you have no clue. You can't say how clean the environment must be, because it will NEVER be clean enough for you environmentalist wackos!
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quote:
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How good is good enough? Bdgee? Jordan?

PM, you remind of of those blowup toys with sand in the bottom we got when we were kids...

i think they were 25 cents with a fill-up of gas..

they don't know when they've been pummeled because they don't know ANYTHING.


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http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=439146


Scientists meet to dispute global warming theory

The Conference is definitely international in scope. Opening the conference is Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic and the European Union. When it comes to manmade global warming, Klaus calls that a myth. He is also an outspoken critic of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and says the panel is one-sided and has a political agenda.

Featured at the conference will be more than 70 scientists who do not subscribe to the notion that so-called global warming is driven by manmade emissions of carbon dioxide, one of those being Harrison "Jack" Schmitt -- one of the last astronauts to walk on the moon.



Read 'Bucking the media trend on global warming "crisis"'


The Conference is being hosted by The Heartland Institute. Dan Miller is the director of public relations at Heartland.

"What we are trying to accomplish with this conference is to present to the politicians and to the public that the debate is not over about global warming or climate change; that there is plenty of room for disagreement; and that sound science shows that the earth is not warming," says Miller.

"For much of the latter part of the 20th century there's been a mild warming as we come out of an ice age -- but the planet today is much cooler than it was a thousand years ago."

Besides the 70+ scientists at this conference, more than 650 scientists worldwide have expressed skepticism over manmade climate change.

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"The Heartland Institute is an American libertarian/conservative free market-oriented public policy think tank based in Chicago, Illinois."

And as such, anything coming out of it cannot be considered as reliable, particularly when it publishes its ultra right-wing interpretation of scientific facts.

Yes, "Besides the 70+ scientists at this conference, more than 650 scientists worldwide have expressed skepticism over man made climate change"; however, hundreds of thousands of scientist world wide have stated that concerns about the eminent danger of global warming and it's influence by human activity are without credible scientific dispute.

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I'm surprised the politicans dont try to tax us more claiming they are buildind a thermostat to put on the sun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye3PV01uyRs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpWa7VW-OME&feature=related

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I'm surprised the politicans dont try to tax us more claiming they are buildind a thermostat to put on the sun
They would, except the wackos can't decide what temperature to set. The can't even decide what temperature the earth should be, let alone the sun. Bdgee is probably plugging numbers in his calculator right now trying to figure it out! LOL! Where's Al (I invented the internet) Gore when you need him.
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Records are made to be broken...

Tomorrow we will probably break a record high of 82 set in 1990.

Anybody want to bet we can break it?

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"Bdgee is probably plugging numbers in his calculator right now trying to figure it out! LOL! Where's Al (I invented the internet) Gore when you need him."

Sorry, Dufus-in-Chief. I don't do book keeping or arithmetic.

And by the way, as it is clear that Al Gore speaks in language way too complicated for the likes of you (he often uses compound sentences), he never claimed to have invented the internet, he claimed authorship of the term "information super highway" and dumbazzes like you haven't the sophistication with the language to know the difference. It's like being confused when a president says he is the leader of his political party and you dumbazzes thinking he declared himself THE king of America.

Go find a kindergarten and play in their sandbox with intellects of your own caliber (if there are any retards there).

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quote:
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Records are made to be broken...

Tomorrow we will probably break a record high of 82 set in 1990.

Anybody want to bet we can break it?

YES WE CAN!
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82 here tomorrow... i had to fix my AC today...

fortunately Canadian air will be back in the deep south by the weekend

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Now we're getting 2-3 inches of SNOW... Mother Nature is crazy.
That's the kind of chit that gives you pneumonia right there.

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COPENHAGEN - Hundreds of leading climate scientists wrapped up a three-day conference with a warning Thursday that global warming is accelerating beyond the worst predictions and threatening to trigger "irreversible" shifts on the planet.

Attended by some 2,000 experts, the conference aimed at updating the findings of a 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ahead of U.N. talks in December on a new global climate treaty.

"The worst-case IPCC scenario trajectories (or even worse) are being realized," a team of scientists wrote in a concluding statement. "There is a significant risk that many of the trends will accelerate, leading to an increasing risk of abrupt or irreversible climatic shifts."

The IPCC predicted a sea level rise of 7 to 23 inches by the end of the century, which could flood low-lying areas and force millions to flee. But more recent research presented at the conference suggested that melting glaciers and ice sheets could help push the sea level up at least 20 inches, and possibly as much as 39 inches.

'Highly vulnerable'
"Recent observations show that societies are highly vulnerable to even modest levels of climate change with poor nations and communities particularly at risk," the statement said.

It noted that policy-makers already have a range of tools to mitigate global warming. "But they must be vigorously and widely implemented to achieve the societal transformation required to de-carbonize economies," it said.

The conclusions of the congress will be presented to politicians when they meet in Copenhagen in December to discuss a new global agreement on greenhouse gas emissions to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

"We know from scientific evidence that climate change is a reality and that climate change will have damaging effects on the economy all over the world," said Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, one of the politicians attending the scientific conference. "Therefore we need an agreement and we need an agreement this year."

Recession an opportunity?
Earlier Thursday, British economist Nicholas Stern, the author of a major British government report detailing the cost of climate change, told the conference that the global recession presents an opportunity to build a more energy-efficient economy.

"Coming out of this we have got to lay the foundations for a low-carbon growth, which is going to be like the railways, like the electricity, like the motorcars, this is going to be over the next two, three decades the big driver in investment," Stern said.

Stern said green investments make sense because energy-efficient economies will be more sustainable in the future.

"We know from this crisis that if we postpone looking risk in the face, it will bite us much more deeply," he said.
(AP)

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The IPCC predicted a sea level rise of 7 to 23 inches by the end of the century, which could flood low-lying areas and force millions to flee. But more recent research presented at the conference suggested that melting glaciers and ice sheets could help push the sea level up at least 20 inches, and possibly as much as 39 inches.
Isn't that convenient. They make a prediction of something that could happen in the next 81 years. Who that is alive today will be around to call them a liar? RIDICULOUS!

They didn't see the current cooling trend in advance and they don't have a clue what will happen tomorrow. I still haven't heard what average world temperature they're shooting for. What is the proper sea level? The present level? 7 inches higher? 12 inches higher? At least tell us the goal?

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Who that is alive today will be around to call them a liar? RIDICULOUS!

some of us here have reproduced. we actually care about or progeny unlike you.

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